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Author: craigcrawford

Trail Mix Host. Lapsed journalist, author & retired pundit happily promoting nothing but the truth for Social Security checks.

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patd
6 years ago

pogo,  last night you spoke of recent (relatively speaking) supreme court decisions affirming certain due process rights of aliens (legal and illegal) and “a specific statute signed into law by Bill Clinton that provides that folks seeking asylum cannot be removed until their asylum claims have been considered. SFB and Ernie are trying to turn that law on its head.” 

are you referring to (Public Law 96-212) an amendment to the earlier Immigration and Nationality Act and the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act, …?

also on our books : 

The United States Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212) is an amendment to the earlier Immigration and Nationality Act and the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act, and was created to provide a permanent and systematic procedure for the admission to the United States of refugees of special humanitarian concern to the U.S., and to provide comprehensive and uniform provisions for the effective resettlement and absorption of those refugees who are admitted. The act was completed on March 3, 1980, was signed by President Jimmy Carter on March 17, 1980 and became effective on April 1, 1980. This was the first comprehensive amendment of U.S. general immigration laws designed to face up to the realities of modern refugee situations by stating a clear-cut national policy and providing a flexible mechanism to meet the rapidly shifting developments of today’s world policy. [wiki]

wannabe dictator twit is indeed on his way to fulfill his ambition.  what’s that poem by the german luthern pastor Martin Niemöller?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
 
Because I was not a Socialist.
 
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
 
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
 
Because I was not a Jew.
 
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 

add a new penultimate line:  “then they came for the refugees and I did not speak out.. because I was not a refugee”

patd
6 years ago

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Blonde Wino
6 years ago

steve king fomenting the flames of civil war.   I still think we can take the trump supporters.  Ugly, divisive and that is now on the dem side, too.  I think the moral high ground cannot hold all of us in the resistance.  Many of us ending-up on the squishy-side of the trumpence junta’s swamp.  Hearing roseanne whine?  While trump tells fallon to ‘man-up.’  Comedians and celebrities taking huge hits on bad behavior.  I like it.  It is a hot mess like our former democracy has become.  No one loathes autocratic rule more than me!

Jack, very sorry to hear about your wife.  Sending energy.

AND another, unheard of player in the ruskie probe…weldon.

blueINdallas
6 years ago

Trump: Deport without ‘judges or court cases’ https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/politics/ron-johnson-immigration-cnntv/index.html

He can’t do this, right?

Blonde Wino
6 years ago

From the above article —

In January 2017, shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Artemenko met with Cohen at a New York City hotel to discuss bringing peace to Russia and Ukraine. Also present was Felix Sater, a friend of Cohen’s and a former business partner of Trump’s. All three men confirmed to me that this meeting took place. When Artemenko pitched the peace plan, which involved lifting sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia’s retreat from eastern Ukraine, Cohen said he would deliver it to then–National-Security adviser Michael Flynn, according to The New York Times. Artemenko told the newspaper that he had received encouragement for his peace plan from top aides to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Artemenko also told me that he had gotten “confirmation” that the peace plan had been left on Flynn’s desk.

Great viewing of the planets this month with clear skies here in Las Cruces…Mars is visible in the early morning…very red with the global dust storm.  Jupiter is visible in the early evening sky with the strawberry moon.

dvitale300
6 years ago

BID – of course he can do this.  He can be stopped, legally and constitutionally.

The question is at what point does the rest of the government stand up and say “no more”?  The concern is that is that we’ve developed a new breed of Senators and Representatives – that are gutless.

 

patd
6 years ago

sorry about the off-color tangents oliver veers to in above vid.   most interesting is his bit starting at 21:18 in about the Mexican presidential candidate amlo who john says is reminiscent of trump and who he thinks will probably become next president of mexico.

patd
6 years ago

“He can’t do this, right?”

BiD, he IS doing it and will continue to until the critters in critterville rise up on their hind legs and yell “basta!”

Pogo
6 years ago

Patd,

I was referring to the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, (IIRIRA) Division C of Pub.L. 104–208, 110 Stat. 3009-546.  Here’s a good summary of the Act.  It allowed for the detention of asylum seekers while their cases were being processed but exempted them from removal from the country during that process. The Act did more harm than good.  It was a Repug bill that Clinton signed to make him look tough on immigration.

Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886) and Wong Win v. United States (1896) The Hill summarized them as follows:

In Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886), the court ruled that:
Though the law itself be fair on its face, and impartial in appearance, yet, if it is applied and administered by public authority with an evil eye and unequal hand, so as practically to make unjust and illegal discriminations between persons of similar circumstances, material to their rights, the denial of equal justice is still within the prohibition of the Constitution [the 14th Amendment].
In Wong Win v. United States (1896), the court ruled that:
It must be concluded that all persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protection by those amendments [Fifth and Sixth] and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.

 

Sturgeone
6 years ago

We know they hate black people.  We know they hate Mexicans. We know they hate Catholics. We know they hate Jews. We know they hate liberal democrats.

are they trying to say there’s a line somewhere they will not cross?

that line used to be defined for them by the rule of law which they have now determined to be a hindrance. All those magats better hope someone hinders them, because they’ll be next.

Sturgeone
6 years ago

Sorry….I misspelled maggots.

RebelliousRenee
6 years ago

Wow…  seeing all those optics put together makes me realize just how desperate the gop has become. Desperate people and animals are dangerous….   let us put them out of their misery come November!

 

Sturgeone
6 years ago

We also know that the greatest thing they hate is how Jesus tells them they should think.   I concur with the red letters in the NT, though not in any way a christian;  the red words to them are an abomination. Hence their paranoid schizophrenia.  And mostly, very few of them will EVER get well.

patd
6 years ago

not always, sturge, some take literally his command “suffer the little children…”

with emphasis on the modern rather than the archaic word “suffer”

patd
6 years ago

the winds of war blowing this way

nbc news:
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary James Mattis learned in May from a colleague that President Donald Trump had made the decision to withdraw the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal, and scrambled to get his boss on the phone before a formal announcement was made. It wouldn’t be the last time he was caught off guard by a presidential announcement.
A month later, Mattis was informed that Trump had ordered a pause in U.S. military exercises with South Korea only after the president had already promised the concession to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Last week, Trump again blindsided and overruled his defense secretary by publicly directing the Pentagon to create a sixth military branch overseeing operations in space.
The way these recent presidential decisions on major national security issues have played out, as detailed by current and former White House and defense officials, underscores a significant change in Mattis’s role in recent months. The president is relying less and less on the advice of one of the longest-serving members of his cabinet, the officials said.
“They don’t really see eye to eye,” said a former senior White House official who has closely observed the relationship.
It’s a stark contrast to Trump’s early enthusiasm for the retired four-star Marine general he proudly referred to as “Mad Dog.” And while the two men had disagreements from the start — on the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects, for instance — Trump still kept Mattis in the loop on major decisions and heeded his counsel.
“He’s never been one of the go-tos in the gang that’s very close to the president,” a senior White House official said. “But the president has a lot of respect for him.”
In recent months, however, the president has cooled on Mattis, in part because he’s come to believe his defense secretary looks down on him and slow-walks his policy directives, according to current and former administration officials.
The dynamic was exacerbated with Trump’s announcement in March that he had chosen John Bolton as national security adviser, a move Mattis opposed, and Mike Pompeo’s confirmation as secretary of state soon after.
The president is now more inclined to rely on his own instincts or the advice of Pompeo and Bolton, three people familiar with the matter said.
[…continues…]

 

Sturgeone
6 years ago

His golden mirror is whispering things in his ear.

patd
6 years ago

saying “wag the dog, wag the dog”

Sturgeone
6 years ago

I’ve never read it but I understand “The Trial” to be quite Kafkaesque…….

blueINdallas
6 years ago

Opinion: The global move from democracy to autocracy https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/opinions/trump-end-to-democracy-opinion-andelman/index.html

“…the illegal we do right away, the unconstitutional takes a little longer…” -Hank Kissinger

“…Trump v Constitution…”

patD – I think Mexico is already there.  They give folks from Central America passage through their country , but not the right to stay there.

Then, there are the folks stuck on ships that are not allowed to dock.  Too many folks & not enough resources…or,  hoarding by those that have the political and/or military power to hoard.

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

Trump and the GOP are the enemies of this country. RR is right  they must go

blueINdallas
6 years ago

I think the family separation was intentional.   Turn up the flame until the pot is just about to boil over, then dial it down just a tiny bit so it will seem like he’s giving a tiny bit of relief.    The more I think about it, Melania’s jacket was a dog-whistle to his base.

blueINdallas
6 years ago

Boston schools superintendent resigns 1 day after deportation lawsuit filed https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/us/boston-superintendent-resignation/index.html

patd
6 years ago

consider these warnings from the tribe & matz book  To End a Presidency: The Power of Impeachment

“Well-justified calls to impeach the president can simultaneously empower him, harm his political opponents, and make his removal from office less likely … Because removing a truly determined tyrant may unleash havoc, the risks of impeaching a president are apt to be most extreme precisely when ending his tenure is most necessary.”

and

“Many Americans who voted for Trump view themselves as belonging to a victimized, disenfranchised class that has finally discovered its champion. For some of them, Trump’s appeal is less what he will accomplish programmatically than whom he will attack personally. Were Trump removed from office by political elites in Washington, DC—even based on clear evidence that he had grossly abused power—some of his supporters would surely view the decision as an illegitimate coup. Indeed, some right-wing leaders have already denounced the campaign to remove Trump as a prelude to civil war. This rhetoric, too, escapes reality and indulges pernicious tendencies toward apocalyptic thinking about the impeachment power. ” 

 

“a prelude to civil war” ?   we may already be in the 1st movement and not know it.

solarcrete
6 years ago

immigrants contribute 269 bill to the economy….69 bill of it was clear proffit for the states, us a……….this needs to be pushed hard right now…..along with articles that show they are not taking jobs away from anyone…

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/politics/refugees-revenue-cost-report-trump.html

solarcrete
6 years ago

not linking on my phone……trump rejects study show positive gains for the  country due to immigrants……….New Your times article….

Bink
6 years ago

Welcome to the Republican hell you wanted.  Next time a politician tells you he’s a divisive racist, maybe you’ll believe them.

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

I just heard some dumb jr league type who works for washpoo criticize the poor woman from the red hen for speaking up and refusing service to someone she finds repugnant….that Slanders Suckabee should be allowed her private time.   I don’t think Fat Ass pigface was conscripted into the job and she lies for him all the time

I think they are wrong and people need to stand up and say –if you are being a good soldier and just following orders –you are just as guilty.  And she should have to explain to her kids that she enables a racist pig who takes infants and toddlers away from their parents and loses them

I hope you will enjoy hell fat ass – you will be there will your father and your crazy gun totting brother so you really will be in hell

RebelliousRenee
6 years ago

Bink… your 1:13 reminds of this…

 

xrepublican
6 years ago

“Were Trump removed from office by political elites in Washington, DC—even based on clear evidence that he had grossly abused power—some of his supporters would surely view the decision as an illegitimate coup.”

So, we have to risk making unhappy people unhappy.

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

Please let me know when the giant christian hypocrite fat fashion error and mother of three Slanders Suckabee says anything about the law in Mississippi that just passed and survived court challenges to let merchants decide who they want to serve —  I would choose not to serve any racist assholes in other words republicans

Pogo
6 years ago

KC, I really get tired of all your beating around the bush about Huckleberry’s spawn. ?. In our line of work, if we do our job well we make plenty of enemies. There are places that Mrs. P and I just won’t  eat because we are afraid someone might spit in our food. Just saying there are alternative means of showing contempt for folks other than refusing to serve them. ?

xrepublican
6 years ago

Serve ’em ala mode Sweeny Todd & Mrs Lovett. Let ’em eat repubs.

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

I am a citizen of the United States and I am well and truly pissed off at the current government and I have a right to criticize that government when and where I find them.

 

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

Pogo

I have a friend a politician in SF who wrote the city’s healthcare law which was funded with a restaurant tax (4-6%) and he was asked to leave more than one place.

As usual there is the Trump family dichotomy Trump tweeting and being the biggest bully on the planet and Melanoma talking about being kind to each other.   I guess whenever she does something to help him – she doesn’t have t have sex with him

patd
6 years ago

kgc, take that back about pigs being hypocrites!  some, yes, are over weight and one might say fat; but I have never met a hypocritical member of the suidae family…. sanctimonious maybe.

patd
6 years ago

🙂

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

no problem

 

Bink
6 years ago

“I am a citizen of the United States…and I have a right to criticize that government…”

Sure you do, for about another two years, or so.  Glad you’re making the most of it while it lasts (although, you already know i don’t support physical appearance-based criticism- but that’s me).

 

Hey, Steve King has provided a virulently-racist voice for years in the public discourse, and has enthusiastically promoted fascist policies whenever the media decides to give him a national platform to do so.  Since he’s been elected 6 times, the only conclusion i can draw is that the people of Iowa are vengeful, misanthropic facists, if not just simplistic racists.  I’ll cross that hell-hole off my 50 -state bucket list tour.

Pogo
6 years ago

KC, ROFL….

(Keep up the good work).

Blonde Wino
6 years ago

Celebrity sightings at Tornillo, TX.  This can’t be the infestation trump is babbling about.  BTW, Tornillo translated into English?  Screw.

KGC…suckabee can afford to skip a meal now and again.

 

patd
6 years ago

from politico:

Overheard at the DSCC retreat on Martha’s Vineyard

SEN. MARK WARNER (D-Va.) hosted a dinner Friday night for more than 100 guests at his house on Martha’s Vineyard as part of the DSCC’S annual Majority Trust retreat. OVERHEARD: Warner, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, joking to the crowd: “If you get me one more glass of wine, I’ll tell you stuff only Bob Mueller and I know. If you think you’ve seen wild stuff so far, buckle up. It’s going to be a wild couple of months.”

Blonde Wino
6 years ago

joni ernst, pig castrator, also from the fine state of iowa.

Bink
6 years ago

The expression on the blonde woman’s face in the “fux & friends” screenshot, above, says to me:

”I wonder if i did the right thing by selling my soul for a taste of fame…”

Meanwhile, Steve Doocey looks contentedly soulless, as always.  How does anyone but Trump tune into that garbage?  So baffling.

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

When you find out who is watching Fux News you will have solved the mystery of the Trump voter.

Blue Bronc
6 years ago

As someone refused service in a restaurant and now a non-person in the SFB alternate universe, I say good for Red Hen.  Let the mouth piece enjoy the world of those who are not lily white.  I do not see it as we Dems need to turn the other cheek and be kind and gentle.  They will continue to walk all over us.  Just like the Women’s March showed what a real Mall filling event is compared to that pitiful cult/mob followers get together the day before, we have to get in their face and shut them down.

Blonde Wino
6 years ago

One district in texas deemed a racial gerrymander, as SCOTUS turns the other (ass) cheek on gerrymandering cases.

The Supreme Court did find one state district, HD90, was an “impermissible racial gerrymander.”   HD90, Fort Worth area.

Katherine Graham Cracker
6 years ago

Oh boy can’t wait for the wild stuff but could they move it along please in the meantime trump and his band of hideous people with nasty portraits in their closets, are demolishing most of the good things in America.

Blonde Wino
6 years ago

The Red Hen isn’t Starbucks, but at least they won’t close down for diversity training regarding the rejection of nazis and fascists.

As for the Red Hen filthy comment by trump?  mar-a-lago cited for health code violations.

Perhaps the most notable of the Trump properties to come under fire by health inspectors was the president’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, which has faced 51 health code violations since 2013 — including 15 during an early 2017 inspection. The club met minimum standards to remain open.

Blonde Wino
6 years ago

A while back,  I linked a story from March about harley-davidson and tariffs and closing a Wisconsin plant.  From snopes…claiming that was mostly false.  Today, harley blames the EU tariffs for the production leaving the US. 

From snopes regarding the March announcement.  After HD received the tax cuts, they announced lay-offs and moving a plant to Thailand.

Harley-Davidson announced in March 2018 that they were closing a Wisconsin plant and moving all manufacturing to Thailand in response to President Donald Trump’s just-announced steel tariffs.  Harley-Davidson has announced the closure of at least one of their U.S. factories and also announced that they would be opening a manufacturing plant in Thailand.

These decisions were both made before President Trump imposed tariffs on imported steel, and Harley-Davidson did not shut down their Wisconsin plant nor stop building motorcycles in the United States.

 

Pogo
6 years ago

Sturg, The Trial is indeed very Kafka-esque (hmmm, I wonder why?).  You should read it sometime when you’re feeling a bit down and need an uplifting tale to rouse your spirits.

Sturgeone
6 years ago

Oh, I’ve read all about it….I’ve just never read IT……had a freak teacher for senior English in 12th grade who had us plow thru the metamorphosis ordeal, and then, upon the recommendation of Frank Zappa, I read “In the Penal Colony”……oy, that was hard work……

Sturgeone
6 years ago

Spoiler alert

In the end, the name of your crime is engraved on your back.

 

Pogo
6 years ago

BW, Harley’s announcement may or may not be driven by the tariff war, but that can’t be helping them.  The increased price of a Harley in the EU will rise $2,200 as a result of the EU retaliation to SFB’s tariffs on the EU.  Harley says it will absorb the price hike rather than pass it to European customers.  That would be about $18M bucks if they sold as many units in the EU as they did in 2017.  That’s a hit for a company whose net income declined from 2016 and was only $8.3M in 2017 (there was a tax hit of $51M, but added back that would still put the EU hit on revenues at over 25% of net revenue.  And the optics of HD moving jobs to the Pacific Rim is too good to ask for.

Pogo
6 years ago

It’s been 40  (more than that) years since I read it – took a modern lit class taught by a guy who loved Kafka and Dostoevsky.  It was a lighthearted semester.

Flatus
6 years ago

I feel deeply privileged to have shared this Earth at the same time as Maya Angelou

Sturgeone
6 years ago

Dostoevsky…..that’s another one……Crime and Punishment, read that one on my own during a Russian writer phase……I just kept thinking, Christ,  this fucker must be getting paid by the word……

Sturgeone
6 years ago

I only wish Maya still shared it…….and Molly Ivins, too

Sturgeone
6 years ago

But it was where I first became aware of the concept: Paid by the Word……and what it does to a story…….

xrepublican
6 years ago

Pay/word : it’s the Dickens.

Flatus
6 years ago

C.S. Forester

blueINdallas
6 years ago

Ride your Harleys to the Red Hen.

Pogo
6 years ago

Melville has to be up there in the pay/word category – and if he wasn’t I’m sure his heirs wish he had been.

blueINdallas
6 years ago

Stone’s alleged Assange conduit expects to be subpoenaed https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/stone-credico-assange-wikileaks-expects-subpoena/index.html

“….I’m not going to go to jail for Roger Stone…”

blueINdallas
6 years ago

George H.W. Bush enlists help of service dog Sully https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/george-hw-bush-dog-sully/index.html

“…@sullyhwbush….aims to highlight the importance of service  dogs…”

patd
6 years ago

“Special visit today with a great friend –…..” Bush tweeted.

 

in nowadays divisive climate, it’s  nice to know old political adversaries can be friends

 

Jamie44
6 years ago

She won’t starve