Hillary in tonight’s debate:
“I was responsible for getting those sanctions imposed which put the pressure on Iran, which brought them to be negotiating table, which resulted in this agreement.”
When asked about her role in Lybia/Syria:
“If there is any blame to be spread around it starts with the Prime Minister of Iraq who sectarianized his military, setting Shia against Sunni. It was amplified by Assad, who has waged one of the bloodiest most terrible attacks on his own people. 250,000+ dead, millions fleeing, causing this vacuum that has been filled unfortunately by terrorist groups including ISIS.”
Hillary had another strong performance tonight. Another national poll out today gives her a 25 pt. lead over Sanders. This supports the NBC poll .
Clinton and her campaign keep accusing Sanders of being anti-Hispanic, sexist, pro-gun, and for abolishing Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid. None of it true. Yet Bernie keeps the higher road, kudos to him for that.
HRC, paid for by Goldman Sachs.Morgan Stanley etc:
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
off the subject, but happily anticipating
back to the topic in excruciating detail from wapo’s “The 4th Democratic debate transcript, annotated: Who said what and what it meant”
btw, wapo gave rant kudos as a winner in their piece on “winners and losers” from the debate:
* Rand Paul: The senator from Kentucky isn’t going to be the Republican presidential nominee. But he may have a future as a professional political tweeter. Paul’s counter-programming of the Democratic debate via Twitter was sardonic and fun — two things politics can always use more of.
I found this a bit illogical from wapo — “outstanding” equals “loser”?
“Losers
* Hillary Clinton: The former secretary of state was, as always, solid. And, at times — like in her closing statement on the water in Flint, Mich. — she was outstanding. Her knowledge — both the depth and the breadth of it — is on full display in these debate settings.
So, why is she in the loser column? Because she did nothing in the debate to slow the momentum that Sanders is building in Iowa and New Hampshire.”
Pat
The press has their narrative on Hillary and it’s not likely to change.. Like no other candidate she is held to a different standard.. I don’t know if it’s because she’s a woman or if it’s her tough exterior, years in political life, lol all of the above.. That from your link says it all… Hillary could only be a winner last night if she slayed her opponent, knocked him out of the race, lol and pigs will fly..
Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all Sanders’s long-awaited health care plan is, by turns, vague and unrealistic. ” In the absence of these kinds of specifics, Sanders has offered a puppies-and-rainbows approach to single-payer — he promises his plan will cover everything while costing the average family almost nothing. This is what Republicans fear liberals truly believe: that they can deliver expansive, unlimited benefits to the vast majority of Americans by stacking increasingly implausible, and economically harmful, taxes on the rich. Sanders is proving them right. A few days ago, I criticized Hillary Clinton for not leveling with the American people. She seemed, I wrote, “scared to tell voters what she really thinks for fear they’ll disagree.” Here, Sanders shows he doesn’t trust voters either. Rather than making the trade-offs of a single-payer plan clear, he’s obscured them further. In answering Clinton’s criticisms, he’s raised real concerns… Read more »
A race to claim the mantle of anger by Doyle McManus
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And a leading conservative thinker, Arthur C. Brooks of the American Enterprise Institute, argued that broadening the party’s message was not only the right thing to do, but a political necessity.
“We know that if conservatives capture the traits that are typically associated with liberals, empathy and compassion, that fact will swing independent, persuadable voters,” he said. “That’s not something that can win; it’s the only thing that will.”
That may be wishful thinking. The GOP campaign has turned into a scramble for what Trump called the mantle of anger. And the angriest man appears to be winning.”
Hillary Clinton Makes Her Case: It’s Me Or The GOP It’s not a “HOPE” poster, but it’s something.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders_569c6856e4b0b4eb759ed836?n53ik9=
by Ryan Grim and Samantha Lachman
Netflix Sets Premiere Dates for ‘Orange Is the New Black’ Season 4, ‘Kimmy Schmidt’ Season 2, Baz Luhrmann Drama & More
Michael Tomasky Hey, Berniebros: Quit Whining Fans of the insurgent can’t get upset when someone asks a 75-year-old presidential candidate for his medical records.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/18/hey-berniebros-quit-whining.html
Dem insiders: Sanders failed to dent Clinton Republican members of the POLITICO Caucus saw a different debate — they viewed the Vermont senator as the runaway winner. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/who-won-democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-217935#ixzz3xbCCsGMf
tony, back on that winner/loser issue, why can’t media see it as a win-win-win for all 3? they did the dems proud last night when you compare it and their other debates with the gopers’ “debates?” who appear more as debunkers, depressors and dangerously disturbed destructionists.
the donald does liberty u to celebrate mlk day (wtf?)
an interesting opinion piece on falwell’s legacy vis-à-vis trump
this just blows my mind- honestly i didn’t know how recent that women served on juries in all states- 1951 for ma.
As late as 1942 only twenty-eight state laws allowed women to serve as jurors, but these also gave them the right to claim exemption based on their sex. The Civil Rights Act of 1957 gave women the right to serve on federal juries, but not until 1973 could women serve on juries in all fifty states.
Full caption: Studies in Expression: When Women Are …
https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/awhhtml/…/d1.html
American Memory
Hillary was wonderful and Sanders knew he was outclassed so he made a lot of faces. O’Malley was substantive and interesting but didn’t get to talk. There were several times I found myself wishing the debate was between Clinton and O’Malley.
As to winners and losers, the usual “anybody but Hillary” hate squad is in full force. Heaven forbid a knowledgable, experienced, brilliant woman actually be in control of the White House.
Well said Jamie!
Jamie, it boggles my mind how in same article the reporter said hillary “was, as always, solid. And, at times … she was outstanding” yet dubbed her a “loser”
what’s with these so-called journalists and what dastardly thing did she do to them (other than maybe be smarter) to foment such hate. I understand un-trusTED being disliked (which they don’t hesitate to report) yet they praise his debates, even calling him a winner.
Hello to Craig and welcome back! I was sorry to hear about Toby, but so happy she had a long life.
Bernie Sander’s NRA past has bit him in the ass. It was the NRA who propelled him into finally winning a political seat and he has been their loyal lap dog for votes ever since.
I do not think HRC is Brian Williams, but embellishment is a heady drink.
Ok Craig…’
so maybe Hillary did exaggerate there a bit. She was part of the American team that led the way for those sanctions. But trying to make it into her “I invented the internet” moment…. no dice… nice try.
IMO, it was a much classier debate than the one last Thursday. Yup… Bernie was angry… he was pandering to his base of liberals angry at the rigged economy and the government policies that led to that rigging. Hillary spent a good deal of time pandering to the black community by invoking Obama and his policies. O’Malley… seems like a nice man… but polling at 2-3% makes him irrelevant, IMO. But politics is…. well…. politics. And smart politicians pander to their base. It happens on both sides of the aisle. Nothing changed my mind… I’m still firmly in Hillary’s camp.
Besides, Bernie Sanders is no Larry David.
bw, so good to hear from you again. how’s the hubby…hope well and well-insured.
brian being male, as you say, embellishes but a female fibs, lies or worse. when he exaggerates, a man is self-promoting but when a women does it, it’s called bragging and is a no-no
Hello RR…we are on again next Sunday with the Broncos and Patriots!
Hello Patd…hubby just had shoulder surgery for a slap tear…the medical mood is still rotten, recent graduates getting political about patients during recovery, no less. Lots of Obamacare angst. Yes, we are still part of the expansion.
This morning our local councilman is dead of an apparent suicide. It seems to be part of a global trend. The Democratic councilman recently had an unsuccessful run for Mayor…the Independent won and has been our mayor for 4 terms. I doubt if his ending was political I always believe that globalization and the economic stress of limited resources and excessive greed causes despair…sort of a return to the 1970’s and ugly terms like stagflation. Alas, we have no Bowie this time.
More and more of the middle income white collar workers are being replaced by much lower paid ladies with a computer. Thanks to technology and automation, jobs that used to comfortably support a family are disappearing. The men who used to manage whole rooms of personnel are taking early retirement packages and wondering how they will survive or taking work at half their former pay. Women who were stay at home in a nice house raising kids are taking barely above minimum wage service jobs and wondering who failed. It is that old rotten truism: Supply and Demand. Global population has tripled in 70 years while technology and medicine have come in with a one two punch knockout … Fewer jobs and more people living longer to do them. Being faced with you are no longer needed is a hard blow and will mean a complete overhaul of what it… Read more »
Hello BW
So glad you are back.
jace
“Jamie, it boggles my mind how in same article the reporter said hillary “was, as always, solid. And, at times … she was outstanding” yet dubbed her a “loser”
Patd,
Nothing in the world causes more male angst, than when the ‘smartest guy in the room’ turns out to be a woman.
right now the guardian is providing “Rolling coverage of MPs in the British parliament debating a call for Donald Trump to be banned from the UK”
blue, this bit on trump the racist/sexist or none of the above is a mash-up of the discussion you had earlier with tony.
I get the double standard issue about treatment of women leaders, but also think there is a tendency to label legitimate criticism of Hillary Clinton as such.
from a jan 2008 young turks …. nothing’s changed has it
poobah, “legitimate criticism of Hillary” is okay. it would be nice to now and then see coverage which is just as critical about what other candidates say/do on the same issue. am afraid the old swift boat has launched again.
BlondeW… can’t wait to see the re-match of Brady vs Manning!
Craig… you do have a point. It’s really easy to throw labels around instead of actually listening to people. Someone criticizes Hillary… call them a misogynist. Someone supports Trump… call them a racist. Of course, that doesn’t mean that misogyny and racism don’t exist. But actually listening to people without your own bias talking in your head…. very hard thing for a human being to do. Being human… I fail at times too.
patd… read that Examiner article you linked…. the Red Arrow diner is a famous little place that makes excellent food (it was on Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives)…. I highly recommend it to anyone that travels to Manchester or it’s satellite place in Milford.
Craig when the majority of “legitimate criticism” are right wing memes first started on Faux Spews, it is a little hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. After years and years of investigations followed by hours and hours of testimony at some point you just have to say that the woman is human. She’s made mistakes. She’s embellished some stories. Dammit she even lived past 60, gained weight and isn’t as pretty as she used to be.
Considering what we are being offered instead on the male side of the scale, she is practically Joan of Arc.
JUST IN: British Parliament strongly condemns “crazy” Trump http://hill.cm/IINqeBZ
Jamie
Your comments regarding Hillary today make me smile..
Pat
Good Cenk piece.. Oh yes, he still doesn’t care for Hillary but it truly is about substance with him and i’m fine with that..
If the Sanders campaign was making up stuff and twisting facts to attack her as Hillary Clinton’s campaign is doing to him, he’d be called a misogynist. Which would be as ridiciculous as if he were to claim attacks on him were anti-semitic.
Michele Bachmann Empathizes With The Sexist Crap Hillary Clinton Has To Endure “The hill that she has to climb on … it’s just a different hill than men have to climb.” Sam Stein and Jason Cherkas
Lol, is this some kind of joke :0)
Goldie Taylor Flint Was Forgotten Before It Was Poisoned
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/18/flint-was-forgotten-before-it-was-poisoned.html
So sad this tragedy! Flint was a wonderful place to grow up.. Nice parks, close to the lakes, nice libraries, Whiting Auditorium.. Good paying jobs plentiful.. I lived there my whole life until 9 years ago, worked at GM from 18 years old till 40… In talking to family members still there it has been a nightmare.. America i just don’t get it??
Hillary should be held accountable for getting wrong biggest foreign policy decisions of her career: invading Iraq and intervening in Libya/Syria. No one other than Obama did more to create ISIS.
“That may be wishful thinking. The GOP campaign has turned into a scramble for what Trump called the mantle of anger. And the angriest man appears to be winning.”
Note to Trump: You may not know the difference between the mantel of anger and the mantle of fear but the average person does. You wear the latter quite well. Your mantle of anger is as phony as your hair!
Her revisionist history during the debate, quoted above, is pure fantasy. Destabilising Lybia and Syria when no treaty, congressional authority, or national security interest justified it is what created the vacuum for terrorists she talks about. And she was the main driver in the administration for doing that. It was a massive blunder calling into question her supposed brilliance.
G.O.P. and the Apocalypse Charles M. Blow Charles M. Blow
Craig
I’m very sure Mrs. Clinton didn’t set policy all on her own.. I mean Obama i’m sure was the main driver of the policy, yes with Mrs. Clinton and other’s advice.. So maybe it’s a question of President Obama and Hillary’s “supposed brilliance”??????
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/global-wealth-inequality_us_56991defe4b0ce4964242e09
“The wealth of the richest 62 has increased an astonishing 44 percent since 2010, to $1.76 trillion. Meanwhile, the wealth of the bottom half of the world dropped by 41 percent.”
Interesting read here.
If this is true and I have no reason to doubt it, the fear mongers are worried about the wrong people. We have far more to fear from an increasing group of have nots that counts itself in the billions than we have of terrorists and immigrants. Both parties might want to catch a clue!
Craig, I know that you guys are in the middle of a campaign. Out of respect for you and Jim, none of us railed against him, his intelligence, his policies, etc. You know where I’m heading, so I’ll stop. We’re all thrilled seeing you back at your proper place as the Trail Boss. Let’s enjoy one another’s company.
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