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Today’s selection is Messe solennelle en l’honneur de Sainte-Cécile or St Cecilia Mass, composed by Charles Gounod.

From Wikipedia:

St. Cecilia Mass is the common name of a solemn mass in G major by Charles Gounod, composed in 1855 and scored for three soloists, mixed choir, orchestra and organ. The official name is Messe solennelle en l’honneur de Sainte-Cécile, in homage of St. Cecilia, the patron saint of music. 

It is a beautiful composition with the soloists, choir and orchestra coming together in a way that gets our Thanksgiving week off to a pleasant start. I’m not an enthusiast for this type of music but I could listen to this Mass all day.

Enjoy, Jack

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  1. thanks, Jack, not just for the great selection but for introducing me to the octobass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octobass#External_links

    The octobass is an extremely large and rare bowed string instrument first built around 1850 in Paris by the French luthier Jean-Baptiste Vuillaume (1798–1875). It has three strings and is essentially a larger version of the double bass – the specimen in the collection of the Musée de la Musique in Paris measures 3.48 metres (11 ft 5 in) in length, whereas a full-size double bass is generally approximately 2 m (6 ft 7 in) in length.

    Because of the extreme fingerboard length and string thickness, the musician plays it using a system of levers and pedals. The levers serve to engage metal clamps that are positioned above the neck at specific positions. These clamps act as fretting devices when the performer presses the levers. It has never been produced on a large scale or used much by composers. Hector Berlioz wrote favorably about the instrument, however, and proposed its widespread adoption.[1]
    The only known work from the 19th century that specifically calls for the octobass is Charles Gounod’s Messe solennelle de Sainte-Cécile. In this work, the octobass only appears in the “Benedictus” and the “Agnus Dei” and is specified to be tuned B♭0, E♭1, and B♭1. It typically plays one octave below the double bass.[2]
    The octobass of the Montreal Symphony Orchestra.
    In addition to the Paris instrument, octobasses exist in the collections of the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix, Arizona, made in 2007 by the Italian luthier Antonio Dattis, and the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna.[3] The Montreal Symphony Orchestra is currently the only orchestra in the world to own and use octobasses in their performances.[4][5] The first of these instruments was made by the luthier Jean-Jacques Pagès of Mirecourt, France, in 2010.[6]
    Two other octobasses are known to exist with private owners. One of which was made in 1995 by the luthier Pierre Bohr, which belongs to the Italian musician Nicola Moneta. The instrument is a copy of those made by Vuillaume, but with innovative elements, especially in the mechanics, and of which a library of samples from Daniele Bertinelli and Giorgio Riolo was created in collaboration with SoundIron. [continues]

  2. anonduh, thanks for the kind words about yesterday’s toons, here’re 2 more from austria and 1 from bulgaria:

    Attribution: ZELENSKYY AT THE PSYCHIATRIST by Marian Kamensky, Austria

    Attribution: CAPITULATION DOVE OF PEACE by Marian Kamensky, Austria

    Attribution: The Dove of Peace for Ukraine by Christo Komarnitski, Bulgaria

  3. speaking of cartoons in re ukraine and how things never seem to change, here’s a story by Latin Times this past february about an animation on trump’s peace plan at that time:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ukrainian-cartoon-mocking-trumps-proposal-to-end-war-with-russia-goes-viral/ar-AA1zGpjq

    An animated video mocking U.S. President Donald Trump’s pressure on his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky to agree to its proposed terms to end Russia’s invasion of the country has gone viral and is making the rounds on social media.
    Presenting the matter from the Ukrainian perspective, the video shows a soldier blocking incessant Russian fire with a shield when a caricature of Donald Trump appears and proposes a way to end the war.
    “Aid that will end the Russian occupation, Security guarantees and Punishing Russia?” the soldier asks, to which Trump says no. “You give us half of your resources to us and half of your land to Russia, everybody’s happy!” he adds, showing him a document to sign.
    Trump then tells the Ukrainian soldier that the country’s interests are not included in the deal, and when he refuses, the caricature of the U.S. president gets upset and says everyone has to make concessions to end a war. Asked what concessions Russia is making, Trump says “maybe they’ll stop killing you, for now.”
    The cartoon of Trump goes on to admonish the soldier for “starting the war.” And when told Russia began the invasion, he says “didn’t you think about Russian lives?” saying the country suffered big losses when seizing land, killing, torturing and kidnapping children. “It would be unfair to leave them without a reward. Give them everything to stop the war or otherwise we’ll stop military aid,” the animated U.S. president says.
    The scene then turns to a cartoon of Vladimir Putin, who is claiming the “West is to blame for all of our troubles” and that “only Russia is capable of turning the West into radioactive dust.” However, he is then told that “Trump is our guy,” leading him to change tune and say they love the U.S.
    Tensions between the U.S. and Ukraine have continued over the past days, with Secretary of State Marco Rubio defending Trump’s claims and saying Zelensky hasn’t expressed “gratitude” for Trump’s offers to aid his country.
    Rubio claimed that in a meeting with himself and Vice President JD Vance, Zelensky agreed to a mineral rights deal with the U.S. However, he claims “two days later,” he read that Zelensky said he rejected the deal.
    “We’re trying to help these guys,” Rubio said. He added that Trump said he “cares” about Ukraine, but it’s on another continent and therefore “doesn’t affect the daily lives of Americans.” Rubio went on to suggest that Ukraine should have “some level of gratitude” for U.S. intervention in Ukraine.
    Zelensky, on his end, said he’d happily resign the presidency if it meant peace for his nation. “Yes, I am happy, if it is for the peace of Ukraine,” Zelensky told a press conference according to The Guardian. “If you need me to leave this chair, I am ready to do that, and I also can exchange it for NATO membership for Ukraine.”
    Zelensky’s offer comes after recent comments by President Donald Trump. Trump called Zelensky a “dictator” and demanded that he negotiate an end to the war quickly, the Associated Press reported.
    Zelensky was democratically elected president in May 2019. Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. Ukraine instituted martial law during the invasion and has not been able to hold elections since. Russia currently occupies about 20% of Ukrainian territory.
    According to The Guardian, Ukrainians have not supported the idea of an election during the conflict, especially with millions of Ukrainians currently having fled the country.
    Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer criticized President Trump for taking Russian President Vladimir Putin’s side in the war, the AP reported.
    “It’s disgusting to see an American president turn against one of our friends and openly side with a thug like Vladimir Putin,” Schumer told the AP.
    Meanwhile, French President Emmanuel Macron will meet Trump in Washington on Monday, saying he will present “proposals for action” to counter the “Russian threat” in Europe and ensure peace in Ukraine.

  5. also see https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/22/
    Senate GOP’s Russia hawks push back on Trump’s Ukraine ultimatum

    and https://www.rawstory.com/

    Lindsey Graham breaks with Trump on ‘problematic’ Ukraine peace plan
    […]
    “While there are many good ideas in the proposed Russia-Ukraine peace plan, there are several areas that are very problematic and can be made better,” Graham wrote Saturday in a social media post on X.
    […]
    “The goal of any peace deal is to end the war honorably and justly – and not create new conflict,” Graham continued. “Finally, to the world: what about the fate of the almost 20,000 Ukrainian children kidnapped by Putin’s forces? This issue has to be addressed in any negotiated settlement.”

  6. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/23/world/europe/ukraine-switzerland-russia-peace-talks.html

    Nov. 23, 2025
    Updated 6:01 a.m. ET
    Ukrainian, American and European officials were expected to meet in Switzerland on Sunday as part of President Trump’s push to get Kyiv to accept a peace plan to end its war with Russia.
    Mr. Trump has set a deadline of Thursday for Ukraine to agree to the 28-point peace plan that was drafted without input from Kyiv or its European allies. The proposal contains many conditions that Ukraine has long rejected as nonstarters, including surrendering territory, slashing the size of its army and giving up some types of weaponry.
    President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine sent a delegation led by Andriy Yermak, his chief of staff, to Geneva for the talks, which he said would also feature consultations with British, French and German officials.
    Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff, Mr. Trump’s special envoy, will lead the American negotiating team, according to a U.S. official. They are expected to join Daniel Driscoll, the Army secretary, who arrived there on Saturday. Plans for separate talks between the United States and Russia are underway, the U.S. official said.
    “Our representatives know how to defend Ukraine’s national interests and exactly what must be done to prevent Russia from launching a third invasion, another strike against Ukraine — just as it has repeatedly committed crimes against our people and against other nations in the past,” Mr. Zelensky said in an overnight address.
    “Right now, this is about much more than any points in any document,” he added.
    Many Ukrainians have dismissed the U.S. plan as a capitulation offer, given that it echoes longstanding Kremlin demands.
    There also seemed to be continued confusion about the plan, including among lawmakers. A group of U.S. senators claimed on Saturday that Mr. Rubio had told them that the document “was not the administration’s plan” but a “wish list of the Russians.”
    The State Department said that was “blatantly false,” and Mr. Rubio also rejected the characterization, writing on social media that “the peace proposal was authored by the U.S.”
    “It is offered as a strong framework for ongoing negotiations,” he added. “It is based on input from the Russian side. But it is also based on previous and ongoing input from Ukraine.”
    Ukraine’s European allies, including the leaders of Britain, France and Germany, said in a joint statement on Saturday that the U.S. proposal was a starting point and called for “additional work.” They urged changes to the plan’s most objectionable points for Ukraine — including the proposal’s requirement that Kyiv’s military be capped.
    While Mr. Trump has said he wants Ukraine’s response to the proposal by Thursday, he has left open the possibility that the deadline could be extended “if things are working well.”
    And when asked by reporters on Saturday whether this was his “final offer” on Ukraine, Mr. Trump said “No.”

  8. Rubio’s Excuse Tour:
    From ‘We Didn’t Write It’ to ‘The Dog Did My Homework’

    So the backlash to this Ukraine plan has gotten so brutal they’ve moved past “Not my final offer” and into “The dog did my homework.”

    Multiple senators say Rubio told them the draft was basically Russia’s wish list, and now everyone’s scrambling to say actually it was totally U.S.-authored, just “based on input from Russia.”

    Which is like saying your term paper is original except for the parts copied from the guy sitting next to you.

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  9. Blueski
    ronfilipkowskii
    Why did the Kremlin choose @Axios as their vehicle to manipulate US foreign policy by laundering their propaganda, and what are they going to do about it?
    #############%%

    It seems that maybe the entire “peace plan” was translated from Russian.
    That’s REALLY greasy.

    I bet Susan Collins is all concerned and shit.

    Lindsay Graham is fighting to hold back the crocodile tears.

  10. Craig,

    Our visitor yesterday spouting Russian propaganda didn’t have to go farther than our Congress to find them.

    Anna Paulina Luna
    @realannapaulina

    GOP Senators trying to destroy Trump’s peace deal between Russia, the United States, and Ukraine who have stock portfolios heavily invested into the defense contracting industry is a prime example of why insider-trading cannot continue in Congress and yes, it’s happening even though it is super illegal.

  12. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/donald-trump-marjorie-taylor-greene-resignation-rcna245307

    Trump would ‘love’ to see Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene return to politics despite clash

    In a brief phone interview with NBC News, the president said, “It’s not going to be easy for her” to revive her career in politics, though he added, “I’d love to see that.”
    In the meantime, Trump said, “she’s got to take a little rest.”

    *Evangelicals will read this as: tRUMP has forgiven her. He’s just like Jesus.

  14. Wiki
    Saint Cecilia was a Roman martyr and is the patron saint of musicians. She lived in the 3rd century, took a vow of virginity, and was martyred for her Christian faith after distributing her wealth to the poor and converting others to Christianity. Her feast day is celebrated on November 22nd.

    “Vow of virginity” I think most bass players have a thing like that.

  16. “she’s got to take a little rest” sounds more like he thinks she needs to be committed to a home with comforting nurses.

  18. ME TV is airing a historically-inaccurate, Thanksgiving marathon this morning, starting with the Brady family making a home movie with a cringy take on it.

    Sturg – The next Svengoolie will be:
    A Very Brady Christmas

  19. Funny, but true story. We are getting a new hire tomorrow in the department I work in at work. His name is “Christopher Christie”. LOL!

  20. Blue in
    I listened to a Gilbert Gottfried podcast the other day where the Brady film was a topic that came up…..
    Funny stuff …. I’ve been missing old Sven lately, so much meeting of many paths and errands.
    But next week ima be ready for ‘im.

  22. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tatiana-schlossberg-jfk-granddaughter-terminal-cancer-rcna245308

    Tatiana Schlossberg, the daughter of Caroline Kennedy and Edwin Schlossberg and granddaughter of John F. Kennedy, has revealed her terminal cancer diagnosis in an essay published by The New Yorker on Saturday.

    “My parents and my brother and sister, too, have been raising my children and sitting in my various hospital rooms almost every day for the last year and a half,” she added.

    Her brother, Jack Schlossberg, announced earlier this month that he is running for Congress. The 32-year-old is running for the New York City seat which has long been held by Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler, who in September announced he will not seek re-election.

  24. https://people.com/tatiana-schlossberg-slams-cousin-rfk-jr-in-emotional-essay-about-terminal-cancer-11855195

    In an essay published by The New Yorker on Saturday, Nov. 22, the 35-year-old daughter of Caroline Kennedy and Edwin Schlossberg revealed that she has been diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia. Schlossberg received an official diagnosis shortly after her second child with husband George Moran was born in May 2024, and she has been receiving treatment since.

    Toward the end of her New Yorker essay, as she recounted her most recent treatments, she criticized RFK Jr.’s agenda as health secretary. In particular, Schlossberg offered scathing criticism of his anti-vaccine stances and decision to defund various medical research, as well as the harmful effects the actions can have on those receiving care similar to her own.

    “During the CAR-T treatment, a method developed over many decades with millions of dollars of government funding, my cousin, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., was in the process of being nominated and confirmed as the secretary of health and human services,” she wrote. “Throughout my treatment, he had been on the national stage: previously a Democrat, he was running for President as an Independent, but mostly as an embarrassment to me and the rest of my immediate family.”

    Next, she recounted how, in August 2024, RFK Jr., 71, suspended his own presidential campaign and endorsed Donald Trump, “Who said that he was going to ‘let Bobby go wild’ on health.”

    “My mother wrote a letter to the Senate, to try and stop his confirmation; my brother [Jack Schlossberg] had been speaking out against his lies for months,” wrote Schlossberg. “I watched from my hospital bed as Bobby, in the face of logic and common sense, was confirmed for the position, despite never having worked in medicine, public health, or the government.”

    “Suddenly, the health-care system on which I relied felt strained, shaky,” she continued. “Doctors and scientists at Columbia, including George, didn’t know if they would be able to continue their research, or even have jobs. (Columbia was one of the Trump Administration’s first targets in its crusade against alleged antisemitism on campuses; in May, the university laid off a hundred and eighty researchers after federal-funding cuts.).”

    Referring to her husband, a doctor, she added, “If George changed jobs, we didn’t know if we’d be able to get insurance, now that I had a preexisting condition.”

    Schlossberg then explained how her cousin’s anti-vaccine stances could affect her as she continues to receive treatment for acute myeloid leukemia.

    “Bobby is a known skeptic of vaccines, and I was especially concerned that I wouldn’t be able to get mine again, leaving me to spend the rest of my life immunocompromised, along with millions of cancer survivors, small children, and the elderly,” she wrote, citing the health secretary’s past comment that “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective.”

    Her cousin, she added, “probably doesn’t remember the millions of people who were paralyzed or killed by polio before the vaccine was available. My dad, who grew up in New York City in the nineteen-forties and fifties, does remember. Recently, I asked him what it was like when he got the vaccine. He said that it felt like freedom.”

    As Schlossberg spent more of her life “under the care of doctors, nurses, and researchers striving to improve the lives of others,” she wrote, “I watched as Bobby cut nearly a half billion dollars for research into mRNA vaccines, technology that could be used against certain cancers; slashed billions in funding from the National Institutes of Health, the world’s largest sponsor of medical research; and threatened to oust the panel of medical experts charged with recommending preventive cancer screenings.”

    Grants and trials were canceled, “affecting thousands of patients,” she said, also adding that she was “worried about funding for leukemia and bone-marrow research at Memorial Sloan Kettering,” where she had been transferred.

    “I worried about the trials that were my only shot at remission,” said Schlossberg. “Early in my illness, when I had the postpartum hemorrhage, I was given a dose of misoprostol to help stop the bleeding. This drug is part of medication abortion, which, at Bobby’s urging, is currently ‘under review’ by the Food and Drug Administration. I freeze when I think about what would have happened if it had not been immediately available to me and to millions of other women who need it to save their lives or to get the care they deserve.”

    …her “plan, had I not gotten sick, was to write a book about the oceans — their destruction, but also the possibilities they offer.”

    This included “one of my chemotherapy drugs, cytarabine,” which she wrote “owes its existence to an ocean animal: a sponge that lives in the Caribbean Sea,” a discovery made thanks to government funding — “the very thing that Bobby has already cut.”

  25. John Fugelsang‬
    ‪@johnfugelsang.bsky.social‬
    · 16m
    It’s not a Peace Plan, it’s a Surrender Plan.

    It’s designed to have Ukraine reject it,
    so Putin & his servant can blame Zelensky,
    & Putin can continue his evil bloody invasion
    bc Putin believes Ukraine belongs to Russia.

    That’s the only plan.

  29. (Yes, that’s today’s Sunday Serendipity playing in the background)
    In today’s Trail Mix Live chat we see Russia’s “Wish List” out in the open. Trump’s Ukraine plan reads like it was drafted in Moscow —which is how Secretary of State Marco Rubio privately describes it.
    Watch the full livestream
    Watch the new Short →

  30. Craig any idea how long the viewers stay with us?
    And it was kinda fun getting a little interaction with the commenter.

    Jack

  31. Now Rubio is out with public comments to reporters … We have made great progress today. Nothing is settled. Just because it was in writing, doesn’t mean anything is agreed …. blah blah blah word salad.

  32. Jack, I referred your question to AI Sam:
    “Jack, YouTube splits the numbers in a way that makes us look worse than we actually are. The “average view duration” on the replay is about 29 seconds, but that’s because it counts every drive-by click, every bounce, every person who taps for half a minute and wanders off.

    During the actual live show, the folks who join us tend to stay much longer — often 10–20 minutes or more. The regulars stick with us. And yes, getting that interaction today was a blast. More of that coming as the chat keeps growing.”

  33. i don’t hate trump

    i hate trumpers

    Don’t wanna bring them into the fold, don’t wanna build bridges to them, just want them to move to Russia

    or never vote

    …and Kamala wasn’t great but i’ll bet she wouldn’t literally roll out red carpets for Putin and take orders from the Kremlin 🤮

  35. Craig
    I don’t know if I’m happy or sad to think somebody would spend 20 min listening to our rambles.
    It is the brave new world and something I don’t think any Science fiction writer imagined.

    Jack

  36. It is the brave new world and something I don’t think any Science fiction writer imagined.

    i keep telling you they did

    heinlein
    asimov
    clarke
    hubbard
    et. al.

    Chrichton was visionary AF also

    i’m telling you there’s Doctor Who episodes from the 70s that debate the ethics of AI

    the early 70s!

    they even predicted corporate techno oligarchy

  37. And speaking of brave new world, here is an interesting read. To read the whole thing

    If you’ve made it all the way to TV or Congress, you’re pretty self-impressed; you ran the gauntlet and emerged victorious. But did you know that the median age of an MSNBC viewer is 72? This isn’t even your parents, this is your GRANDPARENTS! And this is my generation, and I’ve got to tell you, it’s as baked into its ways as the generations before it. We thought it would be different for boomers, after all, they had the greatest number of people and changed the world, but not anymore.

    The world runs on tech and the internet, yet Andrew Cuomo spent double-digit millions on TV ads. Do you know anybody under thirty who watches traditional television, whether it be network or cable? Most don’t even have access, and they don’t care. If there’s a show worth seeing, and there are very few, it’s on a streaming outlet. As for the news, it’s at your fingertips online! As for the cable channels themselves, good luck finding one that has in excess of a million viewers, in a country of 340 million; a lot of these outlets don’t even have 100,000 people watching at one time. But because they’re part of the cable package old schoolers think they count, when they don’t. YouTube and TikTok count much more.
    ———————————————–
    Sure, Mamdani had innovative policies that spoke to the issue of affordability, but his roots were planted online, with limited merch and gamification, and…until the primary last June, the mainstream had no idea of the size of his following. It’s about getting people excited with honesty and credibility, such that they will spread the word. Your only hope is virality. I don’t mean going nuclear, although that’s great, but engendering any word of mouth at all. If people don’t want to talk about you and what you’re doing, you’re dead in the water. The days of a media outlet shoving something down the audience’s throat to the point of success are done. Gatekeepers are history. You go directly to the audience. It’s a whole new ball game, one oldsters are not prepared to play, never mind that they don’t want to believe change has happened, and they’re out of date.

  38. I’ve read them all, they all missed it. None of them understood what changes that the computer era would bring. At most they nibbled around the edges. Just like their grandfathers didn’t realize what changes electricity and the internal combustion engine would bring.
    Jack

  40. it’s like Latinx trumpers who are surprised their communities are upended by trump, they were told explicitly beforehand 🤦‍♂️

    same phenomenon

  41. Finding voters in today’s media landscape is almost impossible, political ops say. And if you do find them younger voters tune out ads the instant they see what it is. Both sides are studying Mamdani’s phenomenal breakthrough for clues.

  42. Mainly because of one corporation, we are depleting the ocean of fish.
    It’s the Most Important Fish in the Sea, and It is Disappearing.

    By Mark Robichaux
    Mark Robichaux, a former reporter for the Wall Street Journal, is a fisherman and author.

    For 15 years, I’ve launched my bay boat, the Bayou Belle, into Long Island Sound before sunrise, chasing striped bass like generations of coastal fishermen before me. But lately, the water feels empty. The surface no longer shimmers with baitfish. The gulls don’t dive. Everyone at the marina says the same thing: The stripers just aren’t here anymore.

    The best of The Post’s opinions and commentary, in your inbox every morning
    The stripers didn’t vanish on their own. The food that sustains them went first.

    Menhaden — also known as pogies or bunker — are small oily fish that feed nearly everything in the Atlantic. They are the foundation of the East Coast’s marine food web, fueling striped bass, bluefish, tuna, whales and seabirds. Yet each year, a single industrial operation hauls out hundreds of millions of pounds of them — not to feed humans but to grind them down into oil and meal for aquaculture, supplements and animal food, much of it for export. More at link.

  43. Have to admit, I’m trying to figure out how Mamdani is going to add housing to New York. The island is already sinking due to the weight of the huge skyscrapers, and the ocean is rising enough to flood the subways due to climate change.

    Gurgle gurgle gurgle.

  46. Craig
    If they are like my local family they so divided into little groups. That is where Republicans have an advantage with evangelicals. You can find them. But where do you go to find gamers, larpers or anime fans.

    Jack

  48. But where do you go to find gamers, larpers or anime fans.

    comicons and twitch

    AOC was joining twitch gamer streams during the 2020 campaign season, it didn’t go particularly well because those spaces tend to be dominated by toxic-masculinity

    there’s a whole culture war being fought over on reddit, there’s a subreddit for every topic you can think of

    Reddit used to be amazing but then the dummies found it, has gotten reductive

    You’re right though the Democrats do a shitty job mobilizing nerd culture

    They’re hard to mobilize though

    gamer culture is awful though it needs to be destroyed, not uplifted

    Trumpism dominates the gamer space because it is a culture of stupidity and laziness

    and violence

  51. I have heart stress test tomorrow morning. See you all tomorrow afternoon.

    Good luck, Jamie. Mr. Ivy passed his, better than he thought.

    One clip they should’ve replayed from the Cheney funeral, but didn’t, was the eulogy by his long-time cardiologist. It was an education. One good deed Dick Cheney did if none others was as benefactor to the cause of heart health treatment and education. ❤️

  54. Looks like Newsom picked his running mate?
    Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has retreated from the national stage in recent months and privately expressed ambivalence about running for president in 2028 — moves that have stunned many top Democrats. — AXIOS

  55. Craig
    I just watched the whole 90 min of todays chat. You and the crew are getting good at this. I was the star of course but you and Jamie weren’t bad either. ];-0

    Jack

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