PresidentiaPalooza

If you record tonight’s competing GOP/Dem town halls on CNN and MSNBC, plus all the commentary afterwards on both channels, there’s something like SEVEN HOURS of candidates and pundits live on TV tonight. Here’s your thread for our own commentary.

Can you handle it?TVweary

Town Halls Tonight (2/18)
8 PM ET CNN: Bush, Kasich, Trump
9 PM ET MSNBC: Clinton, Sanders

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Author: craigcrawford

Trail Mix Host. Lapsed journalist, author & retired pundit happily promoting nothing but the truth for Social Security checks.

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blueINdallas
8 years ago

Prop 4 on the Republican, primary ballot here: TX and her citizens should “strongly assert” our 10th Amendment rights.   What an odd and vague proposition.  “Strongly assert”?

blueINdallas
8 years ago

I will be watching “You, Me and The Apocolypse.”  Its  humor is a little too unsettling, but not moreso than the political circus.

It’s like the candidates and media are fiddling while the country burns.  Most are oblivious to the citizens, except in their role as voters.

oldseahag
8 years ago

friends don’t let friends watch GOP townhalls.

 

Katherine Graham Cracker
8 years ago

Warriors Basketball

 

Jamie44
8 years ago

Just started watching the Biden interview and then I might try to catch some of Hillary but reading a good book seems more in order.

sjwny
8 years ago

Have to say how nice it is to come home & find an email from Trail Mix announcing the new thread. Very reassuring: a sanity break in this crazy world.

jace
8 years ago

A billion words  will be written and a million gallons of ink will be spilled over this election. Most of them will be wrong. No use jumping into the fray too soon.

jace
8 years ago

Bought gas today at the local super market. Price $1.47 per gallon.

It’s all Obama’s fault!

A good republican president will get that price back up to $4 in no time.

mortonie
mortonie
8 years ago

Rangers losing to Toronto. Damn Cruz.

oldseahag
8 years ago

craig- haha!

 

tony
tony
8 years ago

http://trailmix.cc/home/2016/02/18/presidentiapalooza/#comment-5993

Craig,

You’re doing terrific.. I received the email as well, thanks..

blueINdallas
8 years ago

Gas is going back up here.  It was $1.59 on Saturday.  Today, it’s $1.65.

I heard a snippet of news on NPR; someone (Saudis?) agreed to reduce production to help drive up global oil prices.  They thought it would increase the price by $3 per barrel, but wouldn’t effect gasoline prices.  Two days later…

Personally, I think they want it to go up a bit (it will go up when the summer mix comes out anyway) so they can make sure it’s lower around the general election.

tony
tony
8 years ago

New Polls: Hillary Clinton Way Ahead In Super Tuesday States
by Eric Kleefeld http://www.nationalmemo.com/new-polls-hillary-clinton-way-ahead-in-super-tuesday-states/

oldseahag
8 years ago

flipping back and forth from vikings to town hall- i’m ashamed,  can’t help myself, i do want to see the next volley in the pope vs. trump.

jace
8 years ago

If I were Obama I would go to Cuba on Super Tuesday.

In a show of bipartisan out reach I would ask Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio to jump on Air Force One and come along.

Havana would make a nice setting for concession speeches.

tony
tony
8 years ago

Why Bernie Sanders Is In Deep Trouble In South Carolina
Without the black vote, Sanders doesn’t stand a chance.
by Janie Valencia http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-black-voters_us_56c61282e4b0c3c550541904

jace
8 years ago

blueIndallas,

I feel badly for making light of the price of gas. A lot of people who work for wages are being effected by the down turn in the price of oil. I have nothing but loathing for the oil companies and what they have done to this country since 1974, but I worry about those folks at the bottom of the oil patch totem pole when prices go down. They are as much victims when the price of oil goes down as the rest of us are when the price of oil goes up.

As for the Saudies, they don’t pack near the punch as they used to. Too many other players,including the US.

tony
tony
8 years ago

http://trailmix.cc/home/2016/02/18/presidentiapalooza/#comment-6020

Craig,

Season 3 a while ago. Hulu has all 3 seasons..
‘Vikings’ Season 4 Premiere: Creator Michael Hirst on Ragnar’s New Trials, Show’s Future http://variety.com/2016/tv/features/vikings-season-4-premiere-series-end-bjorn-bear-1201709840/
Looks like tonight season 4 premier.. Usually 10 episodes, now 20, wow

sjwny
8 years ago

Governor Kasich coming across well.

tony
tony
8 years ago

Fox News Poll: Clinton ‘feels the Bern,’ trails Sanders by three points nationally

by Dana Blanton

Here you go Bernie Bros and not so Bernie Bros straight from Fox News.. Since so much of what you say comes from Fox so-called how appropriate http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/18/fox-news-poll-clinton-feels-bern-trails-sanders-by-three-points-nationally.html#..

sjwny
8 years ago

Wondering if any future President will be brave enough to have the best people in his/her Cabinet, no matter their Party affiliation.

tony
tony
8 years ago

http://trailmix.cc/home/2016/02/18/presidentiapalooza/#comment-6032

Lol, anytime Craig, anything about TV i love..

Pogo
8 years ago

Where’d they find this goob? Oops, sorry.

Pogo
8 years ago

Sj, no.

Craig, lol. ANYONE is better than Dr. Phil.  LOL

Bernie’s an honorary woman?  I’m pretty sure Gloria is supporting Clinton.

xrepublican
8 years ago

Which goob, Pogo ? I presume that you meant some goopernor.

Pogo
8 years ago

In fairness I like a lot of what Bernie says,  but I ain’t swayed.  He strikes me as a very good man – which I see as preferable to ANY pugn out there.  No puma here if bernie ends up the dem nominee.

oldseahag
8 years ago

was flipping back and forth from vikings to town hall- i’m ashamed,  can’t help myself, i do want to see the next volley in the pope vs. trump.  oops- fell asleep

Pogo
8 years ago

Xr, the goob in the jeans, white shirt, tie & brown v neck sweater. Maybe dweeb is a better word.

Pogo
8 years ago

OSH, sweet dreams.   Better use of the limited time you (we) have here.

xrepublican
8 years ago

Why not ?  My female co-workers voted me an honorary woman. Knowing them, Mom, Sis, Sweetie, and my brigade of female cousins, I was damned proud !  & still am !

I’ll caucus for Sanders, knowing full well that Clinton will win the nomination. Then I shall happily contribute to the Clinton Campaign, stuff envelopes, get a bumper sticker, and joyously vote for her in November.

However, I shall not attend the Inaugural Ball.

oldseahag
8 years ago

so sorry about the double  post- woke up and there it was still in the box-

 

Pogo
8 years ago

Oh god, Jeb Bush. Hes living in a delusional world. Time to look for entertainment.

Pogo
8 years ago

XR if you get an invitation,  pass it along to me.

jace
8 years ago

Bernie is very compelling. Paul Ryan and the House are still going to be writing the tax codes. Why should we believe that Wall Street is going to pay for anything? That’s not how republicans think. They don’t care about things like student debt.

xrepublican
8 years ago

dweeb ? They let dweebs into a presidential ‘debate’ ?

I confess : Solar can pass for a dweeb. He can ask about cookie recipes, like, “Would you serve pepperoni & cheese on oatmeal cookies at a State Dinner ?”

xrepublican
8 years ago

Now, let’s see if he’s been lurking.

sjwny
8 years ago

Pogo,

You are right about political weenies lacking the courage to pick the best people for Administrations. Facts like this continue to keep my Voter Card marked as “No Party.”

xrepublican
8 years ago

Pogo, you can have my tickets to the Prez Dance, but you’ll have to act as Sweetie’s walker. Mrs Pogo and I will watch, champagne in hand, on the closed circuit tv in the WH Green Room.

 

xrepublican
8 years ago

“…head bobs and awkward hand gestures….” – Trail Boss

The indications of an inept puppeteer.

solarcrete
8 years ago

yeah i just started to catch up again……….u must be high or  something…..just waiting till a little of this passes….dweebing is not as easy as u might think…….what u forgot so soon……

A lot of good stuff……..a lot of rah rah rahing for the home team…some passive aggressive and some denial going around…..only about one or two post that you can consider from an independent…..both from Purple….and no one is answering him…….hope that at least some are reading what he links…..

Oh yeah…..thanks Pogo

 

 

 

 

mortonie
mortonie
8 years ago

Just heard there’s a tape of Trump saying he supported the Iraq war from a 2002 Howard Stern interview. Does Anderson know of this?

Katherine Graham Cracker
8 years ago

She is out there tonight!

whskyjack
8 years ago

POGO

in re: to last night Sweet Home Chicago clip, don’t know anything about it but when it says, “Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton, Johnny Winter, Robert Cray, Hubert Sumlin”  gotta play it. Listening to it now

https://youtu.be/ZEmvBdRLg4k

 

Jack

solarcrete
8 years ago

Jace,

I thought about you the last time that i bought gas at cost-co, dollar forty one……..i could just hear you say that it was his fault……laughed a little at that….

oldseahag
8 years ago

“i don’t know what’s going to happen because of the supreme court”- hillary    nice way to slip that in.

Katherine Graham Cracker
8 years ago

Pink Panther

Pogo
8 years ago

Poobah  , lol.  Is that a concession?

whskyjack
8 years ago
Pogo
8 years ago

Jack,  Linda… my heart melts.

whskyjack
8 years ago

I know this ought to be some ones theme song, just can’t decide whos

 

Jack

Pogo
8 years ago

How many touristsgo into Vatican City every day? I never had to show a passport or papers to see the cistine chapel.

whskyjack
8 years ago

Pogo

sad that Parkinson’s has kept her from singing, a nasty disease

 

Jack

xrepublican
8 years ago

Conflict of interest? –> At the time of his death, “Antonin Scalia was on a hunting trip at the 30,000-acre luxury resort of John B. Poindexter, owner of J.B. Poindexter & Co., a Houston manufacturing firm. The Supreme Court last year declined to hear a case involving an age-discrimination lawsuit against Poindexter’s company,” Claire Landsbaum writes for New York magazine. Of course, the hunting trip was FREE, ‘cuz age discriminator antonin scalia loved him some FREEdum.

Pogo
8 years ago

Yes, jack.  That broke my heart.   It stole a treasure from us.

solarcrete
8 years ago

Jack,

Linda L………love her….like  all the vids youve been posting….as always…….was looking at some hillabily music from Afghanistan…..some really good stuff….will see if i can find it again….from the coke caffe or something like that……night chesty puller where ever you are……

xrepublican
8 years ago

I’m beginning to think that Sanders has sanded Clinton to a razor-sharp edge. She’s beginning to look like she could . . . uh, . . . er, . . . neuter these repup licanine puppies.

Pogo
8 years ago

I’m guessingshe has control over neither. The rap she did on labor may be a stake to the heart of Bernie’s  run…along with Super Tuesday.  If the last 10 minutes is an indication,  Bernie and Trump have hard rows to hoe.

Pogo
8 years ago

Brings to mind the Trudeau cartoons re: Reagan’s brain.

jace
8 years ago

Solar,

 

If the price of gas goes down much further, folks will feel so well off that they will be forced to vote republican.

 

Very glad to see your posts on a regular basis.

 

jace

jace
8 years ago

Note to Republicans: Bernie or Hillary, it makes no difference. In November, Nevada belongs to Democrats.

tony
tony
8 years ago

Sources: South Carolina’s Jim Clyburn Plans To Endorse Hillary Clinton
After staying neutral for much of the South Carolina primary, Rep. Jim Clyburn plans to endorse Hillary Clinton, two sources told BuzzFeed News.
Darren Sands http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/sources-south-carolinas-jim-clyburn-plans-to-endorse-hillary#.bm60PL401

xrepublican
8 years ago

Linda loves me. I know whenever she sings that she’s dying for me. And, I feel so gol’damn guilty. sob

oldseahag
8 years ago

Craig- he wasn’t the only one.

whskyjack
8 years ago

Craig

Different day, different objective.

Jack

Blue Bronc
8 years ago

Well, there goes another several hours of viewing I missed.  Over at Fawcett’s Marine Supply, Nigel Calder gave a presentation about boats and cruising the world.  It was very enjoyable.  A good dinner at Grump’s, the meat loaf is excellent, with friends followed by a wonderful talk surrounded by fifty people my age.  We need more of the millennials in boating.

Each day brings us closer to the Maryland primary.  What is missing around here is anything political, discounting the Annapolis governor and legislators a five miles up the road.  At least the battle between the Republican governor and the Democratic legislature is providing occasional sound bites.  I should take a day off and sit in the gallery for fun.

 

sjwny
8 years ago

Endorsements, or why things never really change, Part 1-Infinity.

Politicians are pigs at the trough: What’s in it for them, which way is the wind blowing today… same old, same old. Which is why we’re stuck in a rut with professional politicians & not Representatives of the People. It’s probably going to be 2020 before really new faces come to the fore, as the old guard dies off or retires. Will it be any better then? Can’t get any worse. We deserve better but as long as we keep electing these players we deserve the government we get. 

oldseahag
8 years ago

good morning blue, didn’t realize you are in annapolis.  hoping to get there some time soon- want to see my daughter’s name on the plaque of all american sailors 🙂

RebelliousRenee
8 years ago

I did catch the last few minutes of Sanders and all of Clinton on MSNBC.  Didn’t see enough of him to comment.  Hillary was awesome.  Having Sanders at her heels is honing her political skills which she will need against the Republican nominee.  She is Pretty in Pink!

oldseahag
8 years ago

So does anyone know if anything has changed regarding Sanders Party affiliation? Is Sanders is yet a Dem or still an Independent with an agreement with the Party?

tony
tony
8 years ago

Politics: All in My Family
by Charles Blow

This piece is good and cements in my mind how the political attacks by the right have hurt Hillary in the minds of some voters.. I can’t think of anyone running Bernie included who could stand up to this onslaught but Hillary.. Repeat something often enough it becomes true???http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/opinion/campaign-stops/politics-all-in-my-family.html?ribbon-ad-idx=21&rref=opinion&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&pgtype=article

sjwny
8 years ago

Good Morning, Oldseahag. Senator Sanders is an American exercising his right to run. Is he competent? Is his heart in the right place? What matters is the person, not the Party. We desperately need Representatives, not just another Party/Corporate toady.

oldseahag
8 years ago

Right, but that wasn’t my question.  Is he a Democrat yet?

patd
8 years ago

sea, good question.  here’s a how-to story from last year in which he’s quoted saying “No, I am an independent who is going to be working with the —”: How Will Bernie Sanders (Officially) Become A Democrat?

and then in November bernie took the plunge (that is pledge) and became a dembat:
State party rules require Sanders to be a Democrat to run in the primary, and Sanders — who has long reveled in the fact that he’s not officially a member of any political party — is willing to do what it takes to keep his presidential bid moving forward.
But as he becomes a regular Democrat, Sanders is also becoming something else: a regular politician.

what I wonder is have all signs, name plates and publications now been changed in his d.c. and vt senate offices acknowledging he is no longer an independent but a democrat.

tony
tony
8 years ago

Sanders hits Bill Clinton on welfare reform, trade

by Gabriel Debendetti

Wow, in some respects i’m glad to see Bernie being a real politician who engages in negative attacks because if he’s the nominee it’s a must.. Still, don’t get him going after Bill Clinton and Obama???? Bill Clinton isn’t running, hello!! They are popular in the Democratic Party.. At a time when Bernie is seeking the black/Latino/Dem vote seems stupid.. For fuck sake Bernie is a Democrat now, act like it.. I see he’s supposed to be a Democrat, thanks Pat

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-bill-clinton-welfare-reform-trade-219470#ixzz40cQjTOxc

 

patd
8 years ago

sea, he must be ’cause wiki says so:

Party affiliation since 2015

In November 2015, Sanders announced that he would be a Democrat from then on, and will run in any future elections as a Democrat.  In 2016, many additional sources, such as PBS, The Wall Street Journal, and CBS News described Sanders as a Democrat.

The United States Senate website includes pages that refer to Sanders as an Independent as well as pages that refer to him as a Democrat. Some of the pages calling him a Democrat are dated before 2015, possibly in error or in reference to his caucusing with the Democrats, not his later-declared affiliation. In January 2016, his official Senate website still referred to him as an Independent, and the following month his press releases omitted party affiliation or described him as an Independent.

oldseahag
8 years ago

thanks pat, so according to that he just joined in nov.   just a few weeks back i was still seeing that he is an independent and another place that read that he didn’t actually join the party, just signed an agreement  to run on their ticket.

patd
8 years ago

  bernie’s theme song:

pogo, not bad guitar towards the end

 

oldseahag
8 years ago

“In January 2016, his official Senate website still referred to him as an Independent, and the following month his press releases omitted party affiliation or described him as an Independent.”  yes, this is what i have seen-  i thought it was the official one- however just checked there – it has been changed-  anyways- think its rather egomaniacal to expect super delegates and money from the party you joined a few months ago.

patd
8 years ago

sea, right now it probably depends on party primary rules in each state whether he has to sign official papers declaring his allegiance … sorta like how pols usually tailor their speeches and issues, whichever way that state’s wind blows.

Oregon Democrat
Oregon Democrat
8 years ago

Hillary was great last night.  I loved it that she didn’t take any horse manure (I cleaned that up) from Sanders’ supporters!

patd
8 years ago

“….its rather egomaniacal to expect super delegates and money from the party you joined a few months ago”

not to a dyed in the wool socialist, sea.  he sincerely believes in spreading the wealth.

Pogo
8 years ago

patd, nice guitar work. Thanks. According to Wiki that was Wally Ali.  He’s done session work for Marvin Gaye and the Temptations on a couple of their later songs.  Really nice jazz runs on the Teena Marie piece.  I’ve tried to get LP interested in jazz guitar – lot of overlap with shredding – but it takes more time and effort to learn the scales and such than he’s willing to invest.

Pogo
8 years ago

Craig said “Clyburn sure has changed tunes since what he said about the Clintons in 2008. In those days he made them sound like racists.”

Yep, back in 2008 Clyburn offended Bill with his statements.  Bill’s statement was equating Obama’s winning SC with Jesse Jackson’s wins there in 1984 & 88, and his belief that Obama stood no more chance than Jackson of winning the general election.  Turns out Bill was wrong about that, but he was certainly not being racist about Obama.  Jackson supported Clinton in 1996 and became a family friend.  He was offered (Wiki says approached about) an ambassadorship to South Africa, which he declined to stay and help Jesse Jr. run for office).  And Jackson, who supported Obama (his wife supported Hillary)  was not upset by Bill’s remarks and did not read racism into them.

But, Mr. Jackson said, “Bill has done so much for race relations and inclusion, I would tend not to read a negative scenario into his comments.” He said his chief concern was that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton not “bloody themselves” so much that they can’t unite against the Republicans in November.
Several other prominent Democrats had also talked with Mr. Clinton earlier in the week, urging him not to escalate racial tensions within the party. One, Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina, said on CNN that Mr. Clinton should “chill.”
Mr. Jackson said that on Saturday, Mr. Clinton had simply been recognizing Mr. Jackson’s success and said Mr. Obama recognized it too.
“He said that he felt his success was built on my 84 and 88 campaigns,” Mr. Jackson said of Mr. Obama. He said there had been a “growth and maturing of the electorate” since he ran, and he saw Mr. Obama’s win as “part of the historic evolution of the New South.”

Pogo
8 years ago

There may be something to this idea about global warming. WaPo’s article about NASA’s findings about 2015 and January put a pretty stark focus on it.

Jamie44
8 years ago

On the Bernie Sanders Wiki page, there was quite a dust up.  The campaign threatened to sue Wiki unless they published the “official” campaign bio and removed references to party affiliations and images of election materials.  While this would have fallen under fair use, some agreement was reached on content and Bernie backed off once some changes were made.

 

blueINdallas
8 years ago

Purging old files, I found the results  of the 1992 election for my old company.  Only 30 of the 75 employees voted.

Perot/Stockdale 14

Bush/Quayle 9

Clinton/Gore 6

Undecided 1

blueINdallas
8 years ago

Ted Cruz still had Canadian citizenship, until he decided to run for Senate, which he only did to launch a  presidential campaign.

Flatus
8 years ago

Thinking of citizenship, wasn’t Winston Churchill’s mother a native born American? Then, why did our Congress award him ‘honorary’ citizenship after the War?

Flatus
8 years ago

Coming home from the game last night, the feeder roads to the freeway were terribly crowded. I found myself in the wrong set of lanes and forced myself into the left turn lanes. This didn’t go unseen by a traffic officer who quite properly stopped me, directed me with his bullhorn to a side street and came up to the passenger door.

By the time he got there, I had pulled my driver’s license and concealed weapons permit, both of which I presented to the officer informing him that I did have a weapon in the car. He was cool with all that and thanked me for the information. I apologized for what I had done explaining that I had not expected so much traffic prior to the intersection, etc., etc..

He listened to my explanation, looked carefully at me, asked if I was okay, I said yes, then he asked if “we” had won the game. I told that of course we did, that our women were/are wonderful! He expressed his joy, made sure I knew I where I was going, asked me one more time if I was okay, warned me to be more careful, and returned my credentials to me.

I am still citation free since 1960.

whskyjack
8 years ago

Changing politics and new progressive tech folks

If you’re used to thinking about politics along conventional left-right lines, the Silicon Valley ideology Ferenstein sketches might initially seem like a mass of contradictions — it’s simultaneously anti-regulation and pro-government, libertarian and pro-Obamacare. But Ferenstein argues that these views start to seem more coherent once you understand the unique perspective of technology elites.

patd
8 years ago

flatus, since the officer asked more than once about your well being, did it give you pause and did you take a peek at yourself in the mirror just to make sure?

’twas probably that tinfoil hat you were wearing 🙂

patd
8 years ago

patd
8 years ago

sea, you said earlier “….its rather egomaniacal to expect super delegates and money from the party you joined a few months ago” and earlier I noted that spreading the wealth is what bern’s all about. trail friend flatus probably would also suggest a more likely phrase: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

patd
8 years ago

from politico:

Clyburn, an influential black leader in South Carolina and nationally, remarked that some had speculated that his remark last week that his “head and heart are in different places right now” to mean that he was torn between Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

“That was not the case at all. My heart has always been with Hillary Clinton. But my head had me in a neutral corner. But after intensive discussions with my wife, Emily, who is here today, our children and grandchildren and other constituents and friends here in South Carolina and across the country, I have decided to terminate my neutrality and get engaged,” he said, noting that he had the opportunity to work with both candidates “up close and personal” in Congress.

“My experiences with both have been pleasant and enjoyable,” he said.

Flatus
8 years ago

Pat,
I was dressed in blue-jeans and a USC jacket along with a DAV hat. I had a light supper before I left for the game, nothing to drink, I’ve never done a single proscribed substance in my entire life. I had two canes in the passenger seat and I am simply old. When I got home, I did check the mirror–all signs of the cold I’ve carried since last week had vanished-I looked fine. I did have a snack along with a beer after I got back home; one needs to be fortified before turning-on the teevee.

 

Pogo
8 years ago

I have to laugh about the people who complain that the Vatican is surrounded by walls.  The walls were built in stages from 852 until 1640 to protect the Pope against attacks, initially by Muslims and ultimately rebellious troops of Roman Emporer Charles V.  The history of the walls is pretty interesting, and even today their function is to protect the Vatican from unauthorized intrusion.  Of course millions of people visit the Vatican yearly.  According to the National Catholic Reporter in 2012 “About 5 million tourists visit the Sistine Chapel every year, with peaks of around 20,000 visitors per day, making preservation of the centuries-old frescoes an “arduous challenge.”  I wonder if Trump is thinking he should put gates in his wall and open them daily so that the Mexicans who want to can come on in and wander around.

Pogo
8 years ago

There you go, Poobah, shedding light on the darkness again.

Pogo
8 years ago

BTW, regarding the Apple kerfuffle, former HSA director Michael Chertoff (aka Skeletor),  former NSA director Mike McConnell, and former deputy defense secretary William Lynn supported Apple’s position last July in an Op-Ed in WaPo.  They said

We recognize the importance our officials attach to being able to decrypt a coded communication under a warrant or similar legal authority. But the issue that has not been addressed is the competing priorities that support the companies’ resistance to building in a back door or duplicated key for decryption. We believe that the greater public good is a secure communications infrastructure protected by ubiquitous encryption at the device, server and enterprise level without building in means for government monitoring.

First, such an encryption system would protect individual privacy and business information from exploitation at a much higher level than exists today. As a recent MIT paper explains, requiring duplicate keys introduces vulnerabilities in encryption that raise the risk of compromise and theft by bad actors. If third-party key holders have less than perfect security, they may be hacked and the duplicate key exposed. This is no theoretical possibility, as evidenced by major cyberintrusions into supposedly secure government databases and the successful compromise of security tokens held by a major information security firm. Furthermore, requiring a duplicate key rules out security techniques, such as one-time-only private keys.

Second, a requirement that U.S. technology providers create a duplicate key will not prevent malicious actors from finding other technology providers who will furnish ubiquitous encryption. The smart bad guys will find ways and technologies to avoid access, and we can be sure that the “dark Web” marketplace will offer myriad such capabilities. This could lead to a perverse outcome in which law-abiding organizations and individuals lack protected communications but malicious actors have them.

Finally, and most significantly, if the United States can demand that companies make available a duplicate key, other nations such as China will insist on the same. There will be no principled basis to resist that legal demand. The result will be to expose business, political and personal communications to a wide spectrum of governmental access regimes with varying degrees of due process.

They argue that this is not a new issue, and that in the 90s when the issue first arose, law enforcement and US security were able to develop the tools needed to protect us and if denied back door keys to ubiquitous encryption – which sounds like what Apple has installed on its phones – they will develop the tools necessary to protect our security.  (And yes, I do realize that 9/11 occurred between the 90s and now – but then again, I’m pretty sure these guys know that as well.)
Who am I to argue with them?

Flatus
8 years ago

Craig, I agree about last time–I was super, ummm, disappointed with Clyburn. I live not far from the boundary of his district in this gerrymandered state. Some months ago, I received one of those emailed questionnaires from him that was probably generated from contributions to the State Party. One of the questions was who I supported for prez. Hillary was my answer, of course.

Several more times over the months I received similar questionnaires, all with the same president question. Each time they asked for money to which I gave an amount at the high end of token. Can you imagine a Bernie supporter giving Clyburn repeated contributions? If my contributions helped influence Clyburn’s decision I’m pleased; that was my intent when I made them.

 

patd
8 years ago

oh the silly things we say in our idealistic youth, huh mitch? from courier journal:

A young Mitch McConnell wrote in a 1970-71 law journal article that politics should play no role in Senate confirmations of Supreme Court appointments and that the Senate should defer to the president.

“The president is presumably elected by the people to carry out a program and altering the ideological directions of the court would seem to be a perfectly legitimate part of a presidential platform,” wrote McConnell, the chief legislative aide to Sen. Marlow Cook.

“To that end, the Constitution gives to him the power to nominate.”

[….]

“Even though the Senate has at various times made purely political decisions in its consideration of Supreme Court nominees, certainly it would not be successfully argued that this is an acceptable practice.

“After all, if political matters were relevant to senatorial consideration it might be suggested that a constitutional amendment be introduced giving to the Senate rather than the president the right to nominate Supreme Court justices,” he said.

patd
8 years ago

“Now his self interest leads to a different result.”

craig, otherwise he would be kicked out of the house (and I don’t mean critterville) followed immediately by his clothes and manly pride.   you noticed he kept referring to wife and kiddies making him speak up.

patd
8 years ago

from public policy polling:

New Public Policy Polling surveys of the 12 states that will hold Democratic primaries for President between March 1st and 8th, conducted on behalf of American Family Voices, find Hillary Clinton leading the way in 10 of 12, with double digit leads in 9 of them. Bernie Sanders has an overwhelming lead in his home state of Vermont and also leads in Massachusetts. The race is close in Oklahoma where Clinton is ahead by just 2 points, but she has double digit leads in the other 9 states that will have primaries that week

Blue Bronc
8 years ago

Flatus – I am still citation free since 1960.

I wish I could say I was, however, I have a DWT, five violations.  Yup.  Driving While Trans(gender).  Similar to DWB.  Stopped when I was just transitioning and giving five violations, all of which were bogus.  Stopped several times afterwards, about once every three or four months, but let loose without violations once they saw my drivers license, I was well known and there was no way they could give me a bogus violation and not have it fought and exposed.

Bernie the Indie.  Last time I looked at his wiki page he was a proud Independent, two weeks ago.  Today he is a Dem, as of 2015.  LOL  The dude is a socialist and Independent.  He is a real DINO.

I suppose I could change it back, but then it would be changed back again as soon as I log out.  Anyone can be a contributor and editor of Wikipedia.  You can be one by logging in.

purple-in-tampa
8 years ago

Hillary loves to wrap herself with Obama’s policies and accomplishments. 
How the Democrats Became The Party of Neoliberalism
By: Arun Gupta. October 31, 2014
 

Instead, Obama has bombed seven countries (more than Bush), deported record numbers of immigrants, killed immigration reform through neglect, undermined climate change accords in Copenhagen in 2009, attacked teachers unions, abandoned “card-check” legislation that would aid union drives, and offered little more than rhetoric on raising wages. 
 
 
 
Obama, however, spared no effort to rescue the sinking yachts. In October 2009 the New York Times noted that the bailouts begun a year earlier were fueling a “new era of Wall Street wealth.” 
 
 
 
That will shape his legacy: the real unemployment rate is still at 12 percent, and since 2008, 5.5 million more Americans live in poverty and the median household income has declined 4.6 percent. Corporate profits are at their highest level since record-keeping began in 1929, the effective corporate tax rate is lower than any point since Hoover was president, and workers are taking home the smallest share of national income in 65 years.

 

blueINdallas
8 years ago

Bernie’s new multilingual ads are awesome: “Not Me, Us.”  So the next time a politician talks about rising water lifting all boats, but not walking the walk…

Sturgeone
8 years ago

Youse guys is da mostest

Sturgeone
8 years ago

Guaran-done-tol’ ya

Sturgeone
8 years ago

Flate…..the minute that gendarme pulled you over you should have immediately copped an attitude, like, ” Whaddya pullin’ me over for ya giant flaming asshole……I pay TAXES to support your ass…..I’m not just Jimmie, Jack, or Joe out here…..I’m packin’ heat and I double-dog-cat dare you to make a funny move!”
Then you’d have seen some respect, by golly…..

Katherine Graham Cracker
8 years ago

Bernie acting like this is his first rodeo isn’t very  believable and she should release the transcripts

Katherine Graham Cracker
8 years ago

Mr C and I got pulled over and the police officer looked at us like he was ticketing his grandparents and let us go but   he did let us know we needed to act our ages

tony
tony
8 years ago

http://trailmix.cc/home/2016/02/18/presidentiapalooza/#comment-6259

Oh and Bernie isn’t pandering for the black vote, please.. HRC is just bad, her supporters too… Such nonsense.. Bernie bros are so aggressive.. Not at all respectful.. Reminds me of every homophobic bully i’ve ever come across..

whskyjack
8 years ago

Craig

That is a lot like PIT’s comment the other day and it makes the assumption that Blacks are too stupid to know what is in their best interest. They know the Clintons and they know the liberal left. They have a lot of experience with both. So instead of calling them stupid maybe try to see why they trust the Clintons more than the average left winger.

 

Jack

whskyjack
8 years ago

BTW

paying your dues is very strong on the Black community around here. If  You are a young man wanting to get ahead you had better be setting at the feet of the old masters listening and paying attention. You try to buck that system  you will get slapped down in a heart beat./ I suspect SC is much the same way.

 

Jack

jace
8 years ago

Watching from a distance of about 90 miles, it appears that the Nevada caucuses will go to Sanders. Apparently even after the lessons of 07 no one in the Clinton campaign apparatus has figured out a way to campaign and win convincingly in caucus states. HRC may get the nomination, but if her campaign can’t figure out a way to be more competitive in close states, her road to the White house will be bumpy indeed.

I’m not being critical of her, because I support her wholeheartedly, but I have to wonder when or if the Clinton campaign is going to wake up? Sooner would be better than later.

whskyjack
8 years ago

BTW sorry for all the typos , having a lot of double vision problems.

I was supposed to get an MRI yesterday but had a major claustrophobia panic attack. Panic attacks are a new thing for me.But my sinuses started draining into my throat and I started felling trapped.

As I told Mrs Jack last night if I was to be water boarded I;m giving ya’ll up, like right now.

Gonna try it monday with a different machine called Open MRI  and some good drugs.

 

Jack

Flatus
8 years ago

Craig,  The limited contact I’ve had with Jaime Harrison has left me impressed with his overriding desire to have a Democrat elected as our next president. To that end, in his many on-air interviews he has been very effusive in his support for both Bernie and Hillary. He is so much better than that guy Fowler that really messed over Hillary eight years ago.

That such a young man has chosen to come back here where he was raised, etc., to manage a multi-candidate effort in an overwhelmingly Republican state shows that Podesta has chosen well to include him within his organization.

solarcrete
8 years ago

Whiskey,

Try asking them if you could go in feet first into the mri….helps me get er done. big baby.  grining and ducking…..night xr..

 

 

 

oldseahag
8 years ago

jack- big hugs to  you.  hang in there.

patd
8 years ago

jack, with regard to the mri, sounds like you….

patd
8 years ago

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