Those Who Love Deeply Never Grow Old

They may die of old age, but they die young. — Ben Franklin

By Blue Bronc, a Trail Mix Contributor

As so often happens these years, someone puts out a list of where we are in history and technology.  Come September we will read about what the college freshman class knows and what they have never experienced.   I just read one of these which was fairly interesting having to do with technology (it is not linked to as it was a chain email).  I do enjoy them as they are written in an optimistic manner.

We, Baby Boomers, used to talk about people who were born in the 1800’s (my great-grandmother and others) who were old enough to know where they were when they saw their first aeroplane.  Their first knowledge of the radio and their first sighting of an automobile.    Now we can tell the kids and grandkids what it was like before television, color television, the computer (outside of Turing and IBM), microcomputers, jet airplane travel, interstate highways.  I was going to add books, but millennials like books and possibly newspapers.

Fifty one years in computers, that is me.  That much of modern America, Europe, Asia and Australia functions only because of the internet is something which was not fully foreseen twenty years ago, when the Internet was opened for public use outside of corporations and portals.  Remember Gopher?

When asked how old I am I often reply with “I was born when Truman was president”.  Then I watch their faces and eyes as they, first try to think of the presidents, second is if there really was a Truman, and third, when in the hell he was president.  I was born in 1950.  Mid-century.  Post-WWII.  Beginning of Korea.  All  I knew were WWI veterans, my great-uncles. WWII veterans, my father and uncles.  Korean veterans, neighbors.  I had a teacher in high school, with his concentration camp tattoo on his arm.

Our telephones were party lines until the 1960’s.  Except for a few transistor based radios, everything, including satellites, had vacuum tubes.  Nike sites were all around Detroit, just in case you know.  Clouds of radioactive debris were tracked and warnings were issued for people to go inside and seal their homes.  The Bay of Pigs was not a BBQ party.

The fifties television output was decidedly white and boring.  Except, the early and mid-fifties.  Live television dramas differed very far from the typical thirty minute sitcoms which are so often made fun of today.  Television was just venturing outside, remember vacuum tubes and huge power sucking electronics.

The sixties television output was very weird.  Martians, astronauts living with genies, farmers from Manhattan and anti-establishment folk singers, and something so strange very few could understand it, a Sgt Friday sent us anti-drug messages each week.  And Goldie Hawn was skinny.

Want to know about politics?  Ike was the Republican and he would not be matched Republicanwise until the 1980’s. Kennedy, originally a “friend” of Nixon, was shot and killed by a former Marine who came from Russia.  Civil rights was a deadly battle and finally won by a Texas Democrat who boomed the Americans in Vietnam to a fighting army.  Johnson took the U.S. into a war in Vietnam (my friends were there, I was supposed to be there).  Nixon made SEATO as place worse than hell.  He left for home as the first and only president to resign.

And, through all of this, Mad Magazine was the source of knowledge for many of us.

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Author: Blue Bronc

Born in Detroit when Truman was president, survived the rest of them. Early on I learned that FDR was the greatest president, which has withstood all attempts to change that image. Democratic Party, flaming liberal, Progressive, equality for all and a believer in we are all human and deserve respect and understanding. College educated, a couple of degrees, a lot of world experience and tons of fun. US Air Force (pre-MRE days). Oil and gas fields, computer rooms and stuff beyond anything I can talk about. It has been quite a life so far. The future is making my retirement boat my home. Dogs, cats and other critters fill my life with happiness. Work pays the bills.

63 thoughts on “Those Who Love Deeply Never Grow Old”

  1. BB, Love the perspective.   Your journey started one year before mine, but aside from Truman and party line telephones  we experienced the same cultural and technological influences.  Mine included the racism of 60s Birmingham and television that brought us war at 630 each evening in the late 60s, mostly in black and white.  I look at those eras when I hear about wanting to take our country back, making it great again,  yadda, yadda, and what that would look like and have to say,  “No, thanks.” The impact on too many people I care about would be too negative and inhumane.

    I read the solar and XR exchange from last night about the differences between the parties and identify that return to those eras and the social and legal restrictive mess of those eras, which is what the Republicans would like to do, as the real differences between the parties. I get where solar comes from from a party financing standpoint, but that’s not what I consider to be where the parties’ similarities and differences ought to be assessed. And I get that Obama hasn’t brought the change we hoped, but I also know that the rights battles we face today are over restrictions of rights for women, gay folks, LGBT, black, Hispanic, in short, people that we as democrats believe are inherent rather than trying to expand rights to people that they as republicans assume are not. And to me that is the fundamental difference between the parties.

  2. a gentle good morning, mixers. craig’s journey this weekend brought to mind

    “GOING HOME” from Dvorak’s “NEW WORLD SYMPHONY”

     

     

  3. Some images from our KY trek to follow.

    Renfro Valley church jointly built by my great grandfathers on their adjoining land …

     

  4. Being an amateur genealogist I always tell people you carry the responsibility of 200 years of history.  If you don’t pass it on, it dies.  My grandmother was born only 15 years after the end of the Civil War in which her father and his brothers fought.  She lived long enough to see the Moon landing.  The stories I tell will most certainly make it to 2080 at the very least in the minds of my grandchildren and great grandchildren.

    My personal history started at the end of WW II in 1944, so I remember an actual “Ice Man” delivering the huge blocks to a real “Ice Box” in a military barracks at Hammer Field in Fresno in 1949.  My uncle had a grape ranch whose phone was an 8 home party line.  My first job out of high school was as a telephone operator at those big boards you see in history books and even in 1962 still had “ring down”  party phone lines in the California mountains.  You do not want to know how much I hate cell phones.

    I’ve been through manual typewriters, electric typewriters, memory cards, earliest computers, and now internet with Twitter et al.  Love that I can find almost every song ever written on You Tube even if I still not only remember that my first Elvis Presley record was a 78 from a juke box that a girl friend broke by sitting on it.  (We will not discuss how much that record would be worth today).  So yes I do know about 78s, 45s, 45EPs, and 33 1/3s on the record player dial.

    Then there is the whole matter of wash tubs, early machines with “ringers”, irons that were still heated on stoves that became “steam irons” that became no irons.  So tell the stories.  Some day you will be gone and somebody will be sitting there upset because they wish they had asked you questions when you were still around.

     

  7. Log home built by my great great grandfather in 1810 … Taken at dusk last night …

     

  8. BlueB…  most excellent post!  I was born in 1954.  My fondest memories of “old time” television were spies…  The Man From Uncle, Get Smart, Mission Impossible…  and of course it’s when the James Bond movies started.  And who could forget the most loved science fiction series, Star Trek.

    I consider everyone here a friend and part of the family.  But, like most families, we have our share of differences.  For those that see no difference between Democrats and Republicans…  my observance of your posts is that you tend to concentrate on the negative…  you see the glass as half empty.  I am voting for the Democratic candidates in the 2016 election.  Not for myself…  but for the future of my nieces and nephew and their children.  And for little Pogo, Me168, and Finn.  I am still amazed that Craig and David are married…  and know that Republicans would take that right away in a heartbeat.

    And speaking of which….   thanks for the pictures, Craig!

  9. xrepublicansays:
    May 14, 2016 at 3:56 am

    “Hi, Solar !
    There’s a huge difference on the border argument and the way the 2 parties describe guys & gals like you, Bronc, Tony, etc. And, the way they think about females, like the women we chat with here, our mothers, sisters, and daughters. There is an unbelievable anti-scientific, anti-literature mania in one party, but not the other. One party thinks torture is dandy. Yadda, yadda.
    You get my point: the 2 parties are not the same, although on war and Wall Street some Dems are way too much like the rippers.”

    I had to re-post X from last night, wow, just says it all about why i’m a Democrat still..

    Pogo,

    Your comment as well, simply amazing!

    Blue,
    These two fine comments explain exactly why it’s still important to have a Democrat in office… Lol, and without even the most important reason, you got it, the Supreme Court..

    Solar

    You’re very practical and smart, loved your comment.. I hope if Hillary is elected she doesn’t disappoint but if she does well, we’ve been there before. I agree with you about the parties being mostly the same when it comes to money and politics, Wall Street. I still think Democrats are better on not practicing wars.. Remember President Clinton. Obama has winded things down in Iraq and yes we’re still in Afghanistan too.. All we can do is elect a Democrat for President and hold their feet to the fire.. It’s partly voter’s fault we don’t get change as they rarely participate beyond election day.. In my mind to get the real change that’s needed it’s going to take aggressive actions like gay activists used in getting gay marriage..

  10. Veterans call on Trump to show respect

    By Rebecca Savransky

    More than 50 veterans released a statement Sunday calling on presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump to show respect for the country’s veterans and donate the millions of dollars he allegedly raised during a fundraiser several months ago.
    “Donald Trump recently discovered a new love for America’s veterans, promising that a Trump administration will ‘treat them really, really well,’” the statement released by Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton’s campaign said.

    “Yet after a publicity stunt earlier this year when he ditched a GOP debate to hold an event on behalf of veterans, his campaign still hasn’t distributed more than half of the $6 million dollars it allegedly raised.”
    The statement signed by veterans, including Democratic Reps. Ruben Gallego (Ariz.) and Seth Moulton (Mass.), said Trump’s campaign doesn’t even know where the money raised during that event went.
    Earlier this year, Trump skipped the seventh Republican presidential debate over disagreements with the host network, Fox News. Instead, he held a fundraiser to raise money for military veterans.
    A report in March said Trump had donated less than half of the $6 million he raised during the late January fundraiser. About $3 million was given to 24 charities the presumptive nominee chose, according to the report.

  11. Renee,

    Another brilliant comment. You bet, another important reason to vote Democrat, young people coming up..

  12. Vehemently Anti-LGBT Pastor Arrested On Child Pornography Charges
    LGBTQ Nation

    This is Dave Reynolds, the recently fired pastor of the Cornerstone Bible Fellowship in Sherwood,Arkansas.
    He’s currently facing 70 counts of distributing, possessing, or viewing child pornography.
    Oh, and he’s also vehemently antigay.
    The 40-year-old pastor regularly preached that marriage is between a man and a woman and that all homosexual activity is a sin.
    He was arrested this week after police received a tip from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which claimed that a social media account in Sherwood was storing pages and pages of child pornography.
    The account allegedly belonged to Reynolds.
    In March, Reynolds informed elders at Cornerstone Bible Fellowship that he was under investigation for child porn possession.
    When they asked if he had engaged in viewing the material, Reynolds told them he had “not knowingly done so.”
    The elders ultimately decided to relieve Reynolds of his duties and put out a statement saying the church was fully cooperating with police.
    see rest of story here

  13. Trump offers a preview of his authoritarian presidency
    Michael A. Cohn

    But there’s a good reason why Bezos might be concerned about Trump going after him, if he became president.
    Trump said he would.
    Back in February, Trump said about Amazon “if I become president, oh do they have problems. They’re going to have such problems.” It was a charge he repeated this week. “He [Bezos] bought this paper for practically nothing,” said Trump, “and he’s using that as a tool for political power against me and against other people … and we can’t let him get away with it.”
    He also talked about changing libel laws to make it easier to sue newspapers. But his talk about Bezos is something else altogether. What he’s hinting at is that he would use the anti-trust division of the Justice Department to go after a newspaper publisher who writes stories that he doesn’t like.
    This is a direct threat. And even if Trump has no intention of following through, he is clearly trying to intimidate Bezos and in turn The Washington Post from running negative stories about him. Indeed, Trump is trying to get Bezos to use his position as owner of the paper to influence the Post’s coverage.
     
    Trump, who is running for an office in which the oath for that position demands he “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” is actively calling for a measure that would violate the spirit if not the letter of the First Amendment. In an ordinary democracy, comments like these would practically be disqualifying for a presidential candidate. In America 2016, they barely garner notice. If anything, Trump is using it as a campaign selling point. Perhaps he should create a new tab on his campaign website titled “Planned Abuses of Power.”

  14. Bill Clinton takes on protesters in coal country

    By Karen Tumulty

    Clinton also vowed that if he finds himself back in the White House as the spouse of the nation’s chief executive, he will make the concerns of coal country part of his portfolio.
    “Most of this stuff that happens in campaigns, you might as well be watching a television show,” he added. “But what really matters is whether people are better off when you quit than when you started, whether your children have a brighter future, or whether we’re coming together or being torn apart. The rest of this stuff is all background music.”
    And then he was finished. There were a few more jeers. But this time, the applause nearly drowned them out.

  16. beautiful pictures, craig. and what a wonderful old homestead to cherish.  have you ever tho’t about just how they did it back in early 1800s without chain saws for the logs, without gun nailers, drills, screw drivers, etc.?  the time it took to shape the boards, to make the paint… maybe even make the nails.  and all the while maintaining fields and gardens to feed the family.

    we’re so spoiled today.  won’t even get up from our recliners to change channels on tv to say nothing about walking to work or the grocery store.

  17. from cbs:

    May 14, 2016, 7:03 AM|As Donald Trump gears up for the general election, there is new ammunition against him in his run for the presidency. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is out with a TV ad attacking Trump for his refusal to release his income tax returns, as other presidential candidates have done. Trump is also being dogged by a recording, purportedly of himself pretending to be his own PR flack.

     

    karma’s a bitch, ain’t it, Donnie

     

  20. Beautiful family pics and, oh, those peonies in front of the cabin.

    Although I was born in the 60s, I grew up without a phone, hot water, an indoor toilet, color TV, etc.  I identified more with the Waltons, and even the Ingalls, than to the Brady kids.

    Jamie mentioned a washtub with a ringer.  We had one on our back porch.  A gas burner and large tub was used to heat the water used to do the wash.  The clothes smelled so good from being dried on the clothesline.

    A decade or so ago, my coworker’s daughter saw a rotary phone under the cashier’s station at a grocery store.  She asked how it worked, having never seen one without buttons.

    We did get a phone when I was in 8th grade. (The hot water and indoor toilet would not show up until I was a senior in high school.) Our wall phone had a long cord that hung in a big knot most of the time.  The phone was still there when I spent my last night in the house; the last member of the family to sleep there.

    I’m very grateful for modern conveniences, but I do miss going to the grocery story and not having to listen to people talk on their cellphones.

  22. Tony, The similarites start with the wars against the American Indians….both the ds and the rs in every presidency …..many due to broken treaty’s….but we wont count them……

    I think that if you go back in time that you will see that you are wrong about which party started the most wars……From Franco American war (quasi war) to the present…..you can credit the ds around 16…..the rs around 10.

    We need to watch what we say about this…..here is the following actual wars that most can look up rather easily:

    World war 1: Woodrow Wilson, Dem
    2: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dem
    Korean War: 1950-54…Harry S. Truman, Dem
    Vietnam War: Lyndon B. Johnson, Dem
    Persian Gulf: George HW Bush, Republican
    Afghanistan and Iraq, George W. Bush, Republican

    But the score is about 16 to 10….counting them all, including Reagans Grenada war and Bill Clintons Bosnia, kosovo, and Iraq….in Iraq he did some air assaults when they failed to comply with un inspectors…

    The fkn Bushes and the Cheneys and all of them since he was in office…..have kept us in a war and even a few at the same time….

    Children that were born during this time are in these wars…..and the future for the children of this country does not look any better…..there in no end of wars insight…….Obama and Hillary C. have done their share the keep thing going in that direction…

    Oh and even if you dont want me on your side…im there any way…you dont have to tell me that im either on your side or against you…..love your links…but do not like your passive aggressive side of you…..tell me what you think…..not using other peoples post to make an aggressive/passive one your self…..

    I do like you passion quite a bit……but i also respect others that have a different point as well.

    later pal…….

  23. Texas Republican platform demands state ignore federal laws, abolish IRS, crackdown on bathrooms

    By Hunter

    Oh man and i thought Florida couldn’t be topped for bat shit crazy!
    Among those other anti-LGBT measures: A declaration that homosexuality “is contrary to the fundamental unchanging truths that have been ordained by God in the Bible,” opposition to marriage equality, and support for “sexual orientation change” therapy.
    That isn’t the only part of the platform to run directly contrary to federal law, of course.Other demands:

  25. For the other writers in the room.  Do you regularly not recognize something you wrote.  Just happened to me today when I thought I should respond to a comment written two years ago only to realize that I was the one who wrote it.  ?

  26. carl hiaasen: Dear IRS: Orangutan hairs are legit!
    It’s hard to subdue an orangutan so that you can pluck the hair from its armpits
    A string quartet helps

    Dear Commissioner,
    As you know, our client is dying to share his tax returns with American voters before the upcoming presidential election. However, he has prudently chosen to wait until your agency has completed its unfair audit of his Form 1040 filings.
    Mr. Trump is offended and outraged that your inspectors have questioned several business expenses that he listed under Part V of Schedule C. We will address each of these disputed issues forthwith:
    Mr. Trump’s unique mane has become a key visual emblem of his business brand. All costs associated with the maintenance and enhancement of his hair should be deductible.
    The silky orange strands on Mr. Trump’s head come from the armpits of Pongo pygmaeus, an orangutan found only in the rain forests of Borneo.
    [….]
    Mr. Trump can’t just walk into a Supercuts for a quick trim. It requires specialized skills to painstakingly comb, layer and shape 767 delicate hairs — and to keep them flawlessly in place for scores of TV interviews and town-hall gatherings. The stylists who work on Mr. Trump earn every penny he pays them, and the IRS has no cause to disallow these expenses on his tax returns.
    He is looking forward to a timely completion of your audit, and would hugely appreciate it if you didn’t leak the part about the Borneo trip to any reporters.

  28. Tony,

    Texas is the state that gave us Louie Gohmert and Ted Cruz, of course they’re bat shit crazy!

  29. They’ve decided not to discuss seceding at this year’s TX GOP convention.  (Sorry, you’re stuck with us.) More pressing matters to discuss, like bathrooms.  Ted Cruz is trying to regenerate already; zombie Ted-pocalyose.

  30. Solar,

    Thanks for the response.. You may be correct about history and who started the most wars, Dems or Republicans, really doesn’t matter to me it’s best to live in the here and now and i believe Dems are best suited to keep us out of the most foreign wars.. Is any one political party pure enough??? No but it’s what we have.

    you don’t have to tell me that i’m either on your side or against you…..love your links…but do not like your passive aggressive side of you…..tell me what you think…..not using other peoples post to make an aggressive/passive one your self…..

    I didn’t direct that at you but if it fits so be it.. I respect others rights to say and write what their opinion is or i sure as hell wouldn’t be blogging that said i stand by what i said. I have no time to waste on people who are against the Democratic party and the expected nominee.. I want a Democrat in November, period.. As far as using other people’s posts to make a comment of my own, well, yes i respond  when i’m moved by people’s posts and i make a comment based on what i’ve read.. Isn’t that the point of blogging? Passive aggressive, like most people i’m multifaceted.. Aggressively believe some things and i’m passionate about them and other things not so much.. Glad you like the reading links i share and feel free to judge any and all of them and my motivations.. It’s what blogging is all about but i won’t change any way in which i comment to suit you or anyone else and i don’t expect you or others to either..

  31. Jace

    Oh yes, how could i forget those two lovely guys, lol but wouldn’t it be nice if we could..?

  34. Atta boy Tony, that is how its done….even if it means getting a little tough with your younger brother (me)…..i have lots of family that does not always agree with each other…..but like Renee said…we will from time to time not see things equally……and your comments are directed towards anyone that reads this blog, not just at someone in particular…but that is just my opinion.

    I tend to look at the whole history of the Ds and the Rs in order to make my decisions…..the past does become the future sometimes…..

    “is any political party pure enough” NO  “but thats all we have” and they make sure to keep it thata way.!!

    I see them like emotions……most people think that we have many, many emotions…..but looking back into evolutionary history…..im convinced that we only have 2…..good and bad……we have around 600 shades of grey that are other emotions to help us survive……..but for a long time now……we (politically ) have been in the darkest shades for a long time.

    When i look back into what history tells me….I have to agree with some of what the Republicans have to say….and mostly what the Democrats have to say……this makes me fall in the middle of it all…..not just a RAh Rah person that just want one or the other to put one in the win column….thats what has been happening for a long, long time……sure the ds are much better as whole….but they also have contributed to the middle class down fall……….Yes we must stop Trump….but we in the middle are not very happy about our choices………there is not much of grey light colors in our future to see……..

    Renee…..Loved your we are family comment…..thats how is see it….even the ones that ignore me….like silent cousins or something…..my growing up was a mixture of torment and bliss…..but I love all people on earth…even if we are a little crowded…..that is until they do things …..like the Bush Regime……and anyone like them….

    I had people like you…and on this blog that showed me that there are people that care….like you they were though minded people…..but fair and loving…..they gave me….not my Father….my sense of who I am…….knowing you, them, my glass is quite full……………..thanks sis……

  35. Last one before going back to lurking………Talking about Love allowing one to live a long time…….yesterday the longest living person died at 116….she was a black women named …..Sussanah Mushatt Jones…..I know that she must have loved us all….

  36. Looking at Craig’s family building history reminds me of Harry Truman’s family.  It is wonderful to see them and to see some are still in use.

    Register every voter and make sure they vote

    Never engage with Trump he lies,and lies some more.  And more importantly he could do anything because everything is a deal.

     

     

  37. I lied….uno mas: Probably my most favorite of all times:

     

    It has the absolute power to heal ones self….or to kill ones self, also applies to politics…  It speaks to the power that we have over ourselves…we don’t need much more than this:

     

    “Such as are your habitual thoughts, such also will be the character  of your mind, for the soul is dyed by thoughts”

    -Marcus Aurelius

  40. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYevBLUtuLc

    Pat, yes something like that….this also…and especially for Jace the Ace…..since he always makes me smile on sunday mornings……goes to what i said….meditate to this and find someone you like on the inside…..or maybe you just wanna dance to it……

  41.  

    In keeping with todays thread:

    More for those that love deeply…..last Sunday I participated in the “one world one breath day” qi gong and tai chi was practiced by all sorts of people from over 80 countries….i was in another state for a cpl of days after this…….KGC, i did not forget Mr C….hope he received well wishes from all of these people….hope is doing better…….later

  42. Solar
    “I tend to look at the whole history of the Ds and the Rs in order to make my decisions…..the past does become the future sometimes…..
    “is any political party pure enough” NO  “but thats all we have” and they make sure to keep it thata way.!!”

    Another good comment. I didn’t mean to minimize your looking back at history. It is important as we don’t’ want to repeat our past mistakes.. You are correct that the parties are going to keep total control no matter what. There’s more wrong than right but it is what it is.. Its why i gave up my little Indy period after Obama was elected and faced the facts.. We must defeat Trump.. I have been working the phones some and giving cash to try and make that happen.I’m also doing some pro Democrat tweeting and a little Facebook. Social Media has become an important to ol to get the facts out..

    Also i believe in Hillary and i think she intends to do the right thing.. Is she a politician, yes and i do somewhat fear the hawkish tag that has been placed on her.. That’s where it’s going to become up to the people. Hopefully Bernie’s followers who seem to be very very liberal will form a movement and hold her feet to the fire.. It wasn’t done with Obama, well other than gay marriage advocates. Your point that people in the middle aren’t happy with their choices, agreed, i see that and i have been there many times.. Last time was Obama 2008, you remember, you were there.. I’m glad i voted for him now though as Republican McCain would have been devastating..

    Also i admit to being selfish in that no Republican will protect gay rights that we have accomplished.. .

     

  43. Tony, No you are not being selfish when it comes to gay rights at all……and as for hillary…..ok lets (i am) hold her feet to the fire…..if people give my the bs excuses about her performance like they did for Obama…im gonna let it rip……..lets start with universal health care…..just this one will win my respect for her…..not just baby steps….but all of it…..she already has expeirence in what not to do….she should not tell us that we need to take it one step at the time….or build on what we have…..we dont have a firm foundation to do that…….one other thing….is reeel in Isreal….they need to be stopped in hurting  those people……just the Military….the civiliians are a great people…..we need to stop giving them money to steal and build homes on property that does not belong to them……that is number 2 on my list……the rest will take care of itself…since I don’t expect her to do anything about the military complex, wall st. big Pharms….etc……ok you have the last word it you want…

  44. Solar,

    You can start by not lurking so much. Let er rip now, its ok..

    Hillary and holding her feet to the fire you can start doing that now.. Push for Universal healthcare, i’m for it.. I happen to think it has to be done in baby steps.. Hillary reinforced the other day she supports the Public Option, a Medicare buy in. Now if you see a way forward like Senator Sanders doesn’t to get it done shout it to the roof tops..

    As far as the United States dumping support for Israel its not going to happen.. Democrat or Republican.. The Military Industrial complex remains powerful and will remain so as long as we remain a country based on profit and capitalism.. Again, you’re welcome to push for that and advocate for it. Much of that i would support if i see a rational way forward.. Example, i agree with most of Sen. Sanders positions yet he has offered no way forward to make any of it happen.. Oh well, other than to say he will have millions of people in the streets in a political revolution and then the powers that be will listen, he he and i believe in the tooth fairy.. Young people haven’t voted in numbers for him that they did for Obama and ‘Hope and Change” was a bust!  ✌

  45. sounds like u dont really expect too much from her….and if thats the case…..just taking up  space in the white house as an idle democrat is not going to do the country a whole lot of good……later pal

  46. Why did Truman shoot his dog?

    he stepped on its tail and the dog said, “Ike!”

  47. Solar

    Taking up space, lol, ok i will take a Democrat as opposed to Trump any day. What i expect from HRC is what she promised to be, “a progressive who gets things done”. Am i deluding myself ala “Hope and Change”, no certainly not.. The main reason i’m voting for HRC is she’s practical on what can be accomplished and to protect what’s been accomplished as far as gay rights, women’s rights.. The Supreme Court mainly.. With the court flipping we can insure a woman’s right to choose along with free access to family planning. Restoring voting protections that have been stolen and so on.. If all this is safeguarded and accomplished that’s a lot.. Oh and the big accomplishment of having the first women President.. Monumental change..

  49. Pogo, Cool. I can live with anything that anyone has said on this blog so far…..not like in 2008 when i wanted to astro project myself to NY and kick Brians teeth in….specially when he used to swear at  and insult Sea…..lol she did hold her own with him tho……ok have fun….see you guys around the bend

  50. Solar

    You can postpone the Brian teeth kicking this year as he is in the solidly Hillary camp.  He has seen the error of his ways and despite having attacked me in all sorts of disgusting ways in 2008 is now absolutely chummy on Facebook in 2016.

    I on the other hand reframe from chortling, gleeful “I told you so” for the simple reason that I genuinely love Michelle Obama and think her husband has done okay.

     

  51. Jamie 44,

    I also remember that he attacked you in disgusting ways….which also made me attack him where it hurt……Ive read your defense of hillary, and even tho i dont agree with it al…..it has been very well thought out and explained….ok ms 44, i know what that means…and a gentleman never says anything…….

  53. I still have no memory of any ugliness here in 2008.  Blessed amnesia or a good filter.

    Have a good night.

     

  54. Jamie….i also think that Obama has done ok in somethings……hoping that Hillary will do a lot better is all….I think that having the first women potus…is great, no matter what ive said…..i have 4 sisters and a Mother that are as pleased as you all are….My Mom, and Sister Maria….talking about it with patsi…and the other 3 here giving me the same arguments that you all  dish out….so all is good i guess……

  56. Jamie44,

    My mother graduated at 15 & worked as a telephone operator, the switchboard being housed inside the local funeral home. She had the overnight shift, too.  😉

  57. Solar

    Your comment really was over the top terrific. You bet the first woman President would be great.. Hillary if she wins will have a lot expected of her. Even though President Obama at the time i voted for him in 2008 wasn’t my favorite person i was still so happy to see the first black President.. Wonderful time in our history..

  58. Blue

    Maybe it is selective amnesia and good for you as it was a nasty time.. Craig was a hero then as he navigated us through it all rocky ride as it was..

  59. “Why did Truman shoot his dog? He stepped on its tail and the dog said, “Ike!””
    I remember that joke, I haven’t heard it in a few years as the gentleman(my fatherin law) who told it has passed.
    but thanks for the memory.

    Jack
    BTW when Mrs Jack was a teenager his corny jokes used to embarrass her to no end.

  60. KGC

    A lot of people weren’t nice to Truman When he left the Presidency. It took a long while to recognise his accomplishments.

    Jack

  61. Well  2008 was terrible here.  Thank your stars for amnesia,  blue.  I peeked in at the back channel blog and it looks likt it happened again over there. And Solar, you’d have to go to Atlanta if those kick urges arose again.

  62. Last thoughts on todays thread, growing old….dying…an engaging thought….the ultimate separation.separation of one thing or another is what we are the most afraid of since we are born…

    I agree with: “I would rather die a year too soon than a moment too late”   Alan Watts i think….but make it month too soon than a moment too late……..but we all come into this world alone…and we will all leave it the same way…..the in between is what we have to take care of…….

    Tomorrow my son will graduate college for the second time….he was a investment trade stock mgr. in 2007 at the chicago board of trade when shit hit the fan, we both were out of work…at 43 he will be a graduate of columbia school of music…his passion ……i feel like a winner……but i get hangovers very easy in this old age…so after a cpl of drinks, im gonna go and rejuvenate with some sleep…….night XR….

  63. bluebronc- cool post

    craig- beautiful photos, thanks for sharing.

    pogo- all of your comments- well said, thanks for saying what needed to be said.

    tony- you too my friend.

    renee- aw, xox, thanks for thinking about finn and his world to come- i was touched.

    dallas- can’t even begin to fathom how you could possibly forget the ugliness here in 2008.  sorry,  because you, me and patsi often went together head to head to battle against the worst of it. seems you’ve forgotten the good and the bad.

     

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