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Hello! VP debate could get interesting
The stage is set
If I had JD Vance’s ambition I’d make this debate about myself, prepare the way for my own presidential campaign, which starts right after the boss loses next month.
American Hitler’s failed understudy……tough gig.
If I’m Walz I’d make the whole night about Donald Trump, make Vance defend the indefensible.
Certainly emphasize Vance lack of qualifications to handle the presidency.
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So Trump spokesman spills the real reason they’re dodging 60 Minutes — they were going to do live fact checking, can’t have that...
Steven Cheung
@TheStevenCheung
60 Minutes
@60Minutes
And somehow Walz could get it in our heads that this weird creepy dude would likely become president because at 78 Trump is the OLDEST PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE EVER
How do you do “live” fact checking for a taped show?
Harris Campaign Senior Adviser David Plouffe
@davidplouffe
CNN’s Brian Stelter follows up..
Good question Jamie. My guess is they were going to insert fact checks in the taped interview.
Oops. Republican congressman sends out his review a bit early…
Rep. Jack Kimble
@RepJackKimble
I haven’t seen much coverage of last night’s Vice-Presidential debate in the liberal media. This doesn’t really surprise me as JD Vance absolutely destroyed Walz. I don’t see how voters can vote for the Democrats after that debacle despite the biased moderators trying to help the Democrats.
On child care, I’m surprised no candidate has proposed tax credit to corporations that provide on site child care. It is such a major cost for employees. Military bases do it usually preschool through middle school busing to local schools. JBLM here in WA has a great free program.
And that only an Quayle and Stockdale were less popular than JDouché. Even Palin – Palin fuhchrissake – was more popular. 😂
CBS cameras missed the handshake. Great work folks
A bit nervous at first but Walz landing punches now
Walz got your memo, Mr. C 👍
Walz did not answer the question … he went right to the “talking points” I assume he was told he absolutely had to get in at some point, so he just went right for them off the bat. Vance seems calmer.
wouldn’t want to be Vance tonight, having to defend Trump all night
Good hit, Trump did nothing when Iran injured our troops
I am sensing that Walz is going to settle in and be an effective speaker.
Neither one answering the question!
shay-dee already made her president.
Lotta pink going on.
It is a rule of presidential debates: Answer the question you want, not the one you got
How shay-dee getting more run-on time?
Walz talks like people talk. Vance too slick
10 minutes left for the first impression — some say the first 30 minutes the most important
JD is coming off like a sleezy salesman. The glued-on half-smile is weird. When he looks toward the camera while Tim is speaking, he just looks like a creepy a-hole.
Walz winner, Shay-dee wiener.
Hitting on Trump fouling up the immigration bill!
Walz got my memo, too 😊
JD is so unlikeable
CBS knew they couldn’t live fact-check tonight’s debate, because…JD. Jeez. He lies with such ease, just like a sociopath.
Ladies wasting everyone’s time saying their time’s up after they finished speaking.
Shay-dee Springfield shit.
swing voters hate the harsh partisanship Vance is touting. he thinks he’s talking to only a FOX audience
Walz is coming across more genuine and believable
Disadvantage of being old. I remember when moving back and forth across the border for shopping, work and school by both American and Mexican citizens was fairly easy.
QR-ing not coming up. Fail.
Shut him up, they let him go. They need a Simon Cowell buzzer.
Cut mike. Good move.
First half hour mark: Each side got enough to claim their guy won, the undecided less decided
learning more every day … didn’t know that rising house prices, unaffordable housing is due to immigrants in the country??
Walz is getting comfortable and is not making shit up ….
Walz is doing Peter Falk as Lt. Columbo sneaking up on the smug, condescending criminal.
Mike Murphy
@murphymike
Walz started nervous, wobbly. But improving, relaxing. Vance robo-bullshitting. Old Vivek trick: Talk total nonsense but do it really fast to vibe as smart. Breathing through his gills apparently. Sloppy tie so far. Nothing changing…
Majority of those tax cuts went to stock buy backs and executive pay boosts!
Smirky, side-eye JD. Lies, lies, lies.
I wish they would bring up JD admitting he makes up things if it serves him.
Whack-a-mole is on Shay-dee lies.
Quit telling us they have a lot to get to. We’ll get what we get.
lol that’s a good term for it, Vance speaks like everything is an appearance on Tucker Carlson
“I’m a knucklehead at times” BRAVO!
Walz slipped in a reference
I was worried Walz would get called out on his exaggeration of China visits!
Shay-dee survived his childhood by learning how to lie and get by.
Project 2025! Good job, Coach!
lie
women don’t share abortion stories with clowns like JD
Whomever JD is talking to now (anecdotally) probably doesn’t exist!
Government has no business getting between doctors and patients.
Gobbledygook Vance.
David Plouffe: “Walz dominating JD Vance on the immigration exchange with undecided voters in a western battleground state. Reminding these voters Donald Trump built only 2 percent of the wall and Mexico didn’t pay a dime strongest moment of the debate.”
So many YOUNG WOMEN would love to have families? JD, How “young”? What about men? Do none of them want families? And, says who? The government?
THANK YOU WALZ ….. for making the point that should be said laud and often …. we are not pro abortion, we are pro WOMEN making their own decisions
Instant fact check – “That’s not true.” Good on you Tim.
If I was her mother hearing the liar say her name, I’d scream.
well i don’t think this debate will move the needle either way, unless JD comes off as creepy to everyone else as he does to me 🤷♂️
I don’t think shay-dee went to Catholic grammar school. Nuns would have knocked the brass tacks out of him.
Vance is masking his creepiness pretty well
Walz needs to explain that there are no late term abortions …. there are health care needs for women whose pregnancies go bad late term with a fetus that has no chance of survival, and when the child is delivered with no chance of living, the parents and doctors decide the degree to which “life prolonging efforts” are going to be taken in a hopeless situation.
he’s talking about the kids he told to “shut up a damn minute” when daddy trump called
his words, not mine
“the windows stronger”??
The Mexican guns are purchased from American manufacturers.
Ah hah, the shift to mental health, or is it bad guys? Muddled talking points JDouché.
That must be permanent eyeliner. Tattooed the wrong spot after a one-too-many-party?
They’re the ones building the houses and putting on the roofs.
Worse moment for Walz was his fumbling response to the follow-up question on Tiananmen Square. Seemed like he thought he had survived it, didn’t expect another question. Not gonna be a good clip. Deer in headlights.
I have a great grandchild born at 22 weeks. Doctors saved his life and that of his mother with rather heroic measures. He is now a bright, happy little boy who will need speech therapy. She will never have another child naturally so they just adopted a girl. Thank goodness for doctors.
Still needs a civics lesson. He gets an F-
They are going to take the federal lands??????
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/jd-vance-hillbilly-elegy-grew-up-poor-trump-1235116331/
“J.D. Vance’s Stolen Valor: ‘He Puts on Poverty Like You Put on Makeup’
“Vance was raised in middle-class comfort. At one point, his parents enjoyed a six-figure income. And he was spared economic distress by a broad safety net of extended family that provided him with frequent out-of-state vacations, golf lessons, a modeling audition, and therapy. Most importantly, he benefited from a buffer of generational wealth created by his “Papaw,” who retired with a “lucrative pension” from his union job at the local steel plant.”
“There’s a hollow core at the center of J.D. Vance’s origin story — his claim that he “grew up poor”“…the memoir also includes at least one anecdote, presented as Vance’s personal experience, that appears to have been resurrected from an infamous Ronald Regan attack on welfare recipients. “He’s just recycling old Republican saws, or tropes,” argues Lennard Davis, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
A modeling audition? Therapy? His book was filled with lies.
Hmmm, Project 2025 is a 900-page plan. Now, why did JD use that number?
Not a lot of memorable clips so far. Think we’re back to our long history of boring debates that make no difference. We got spoiled with the last two.
Tim great answer on health insurance. It is true. Shay-dee is lying his ass off. We oldsters remember. Kids will have to learn the hard way if they lose it.
They will get kicked off parent’s insurance at 18 if they don’t go to college full-time.
We’re not going back.
MJ
This taking of Federal lands is just a resurrection of the Reagan era “Sagebrush Rebellion”. Wikipedia has a good article starting point on the subject.
Tim shining in the healthcare discussion
JD – Stupid asshole answer on family leave.
His running mate? Plumpty won’t like it sounding second-fiddle.
Major JD weasel on election certification.
It’s beyond annoying he’s insisting the “Harris-Biden” administration. Assaholism.
I think media will give Vance the win, and Pumpkin Head is not going to like that one bit, can’t handle JD getting better reviews than he did. Might even provoke him to do the second debate. Also, I can see Dems getting panicky, which is good thing — overconfidence was setting in (myself included).
i feel like some things JD said will piss off the MAGA loons
yeah the maggers aren’t going to like his olive branches
Memorable clip: JD arguing with moderators about Springfield, OH. Harris campaign should use that with the clip from CNN when he admits he makes things up aka lies.
JD is afraid to say tRUMPsky lost in 2020!
Hillary conceded the election immediately even though she probably had grounds to challenge.
“Damning non-answer” == that’s a clip
Who’s going to honor democracy vs who’s going to honor Trump …. good line
Very telling. Trump has been live posting, and in dozens of comments he attacks Walz and the moderators, but not a single positive word about Vance
I wish Walz had responded a little more forcefully pointing out that Vance is arguing that the spreading of misinformation is an acceptable form of speech and said that he can say all he wants that calling people out of the spreading of misinformation is censorship but IT.IS.NOT …. it is an attempt to separate fact from fiction.
Vance is a better candidate than Trump by a long shot. That can’t sit well with the egotistical psychopath.
He’s lying about being poor, again.
Maga voters got a great mis-education tonight from Shay-Dee.
JD “broken dreams.” ( Adolf is not “change.”)
Walz “opportunity.”
overachieving vacuum salesman
One slick and polished and the other one won. Thank you Rachel.
Nice closing with wives.
Vance had a good night for taking over the MAGA kingdom once Dumbass is gone
I wonder if T is seething at Vance being cordial, at his occasional “I agree with you Governor” and in particular at his refusal to say that the election was rigged/stolen from T
guys like Vance don’t inherit kingdoms
you know he is 😝
CBS doing after the fact fact checking.
Vance gets the Eddie Haskell Award for Fooling the Parents
lol yeah ive observed that most people tend to see through Eddie Haskel-esque behavior, except for Mrs. Cleaver of course
i’m biased, but i honestly didn’t hear anything from JD that would influence an undecided voter, “gobbledygook” is a good description of his performance
Tim came off like a human-being that’s not great at debating, he did alright, though
Grabbing pizza.
I couldn’t see that Vance got any sound bites which might sound like anything but re-hashed Trump lies. Nothing at all original thoughts.
I doubt any of those kids on Jacob’s bit understands the first or last thing about their health care insurance coverage.
Marcus is the smartest one who understands the difference in power between the offices of president and vice president which JD Vance does not comprehend.
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/02/trump-us-soldiers-injuries-iran-strike-iraq-base-2020
“Former President Trump on Tuesday referred to brain injuries more than 100 U.S. troops sustained in an Iranian attack on a base in Iraq as “headaches.”
“What does injured mean? You mean because they had a headache? Because the bombs never hit the fort?”
“And if you were a truthful reporter, which you’re not, you would tell the following: None of those very accurate missiles hit our fort,” he added. “They all hit outside, and there was nobody hurt other than the sound was loud and some people said that hurt, and I accept that.”
Do you really want this orange idiot to be your Commander In Chief, again? He does not care about you! Vote blue!
Bring that bird in, BiD, am gonna rely on your fact-checking for the duration 🫡 🇺🇸
Harris/Walz 2024 let’s goooooo 🦅
Colbert is live with Chris Hayes.
That look JD kept giving the camera, Bowen Yang will have fun with that on Saturday.
NBC News just polled their focus group of 6 undecided voters in Pennsylvania who won the VP debate.
5 of 6 said Tim Walz won the debate.
https://x.com/mattmfm/status/1841320867260780721?t=9Hc1e3SkZxPHfoSkzh1FDA&s=19
Only one on CNN’s undecided panel made a choice, for Harris because of JD’s non-answer on Jan. 6
Walz still the most popular
Apparently that isn’t a forced choice poll…?
The clips of Walz on the socials are working well. He does not look wobbly. He’s engaging and talking right to you, which did not play the same with the long camera angle.
It’s a wash. On to the next news cycle.
Instant Polls Debate Watchers
Who won?
CNN:
51% Vance
49% Walz
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CBS:
42% Vance
41% Walz
17% Tie
NEW THREAD
JDouché may have edged Coach Walz in the debate by a point or two, but Tim picked up 18 favorability points to 9 by JDouché. 5 weeks from now, to the extent it matters at all, which of those two metrics will matter among the few folks who are still undecided? My guess is the latter.