— Yoda

What is telling is that the 2024 presidential battle will probably be Harris and Haley. The important thing is whether the republican party exists then. This means trying to figure out what the parties will be in the next few years.
Starting with the greedy old perverts. We can be assured that one piece will be the SFB cohort. Will they be the twenty percent? Most likely. If they are any larger that will make the rest of the party smaller, smaller in the view those will form another party under the greedy old pervert label. Another small section of the gop will be the ten or fifteen percent who are “I vote gop no matter what”. This group used to be the GOP party, but has shrunk due to dying off. The next section of the former party will be the evangelical, anti-democracy/anti-abortion types. They are not real goppers, but use them to destroy America the republic. And the final group are the idiots who have no clue what is going on and think the greedy old perverts sound good because it is anti-everything except white males.
All this means is that what was the republican party is no more. It has been blown up.
Now the Democratic Party has some interesting changes coming. Former republicans will be sneaking over, but they need some encouraging words to overcome their shame of being gopers. A new middle of the spectrum group will form, similar to the Blue Dogs. A lot of Dems will be invested in making their lives better.
Behind a lot of changes will be the effect of the COVID-19 pandemic. It will change a lot of how the world works. Much of the pain of no employment for millions of people will cause changes. Think of 1930, the Great Depression and what happened from that. We are in the Trump Depression and can only look at what we need to do to make a new world. Every thing the current administration is doing is to make the depression worse. It is to make the thirty thousand ultra rich more rich.
It is time to look for the future “new normal”. We are not there yet. What we do need are leaders who can take us through the hell that is where we are now.
they are touting kamala as joe’s hammer so this is both as a tribute to her and to the guy who made it famous.
R.I.P. trini
Cheap bar trick: Bet someone you can let them deal out 25 cards from a shuffled deck and from those 25 cards make 5 “pat” poker hands.
Maverick Solitaire
Ha! This one gave me a severe case of morning memories. As I may have mentioned a time or ten, I had a rather weird childhood. One night in 1961 my father’s idea of socializing with his 16 year old daughter was a bar with this new singer Trini Lopez followed by a new burlesque show featuring strip teasing puppets:
Le Poupees de Paris
the hill:
Pilar…..
in re your prediction:
Either:
A. It is something which you truly believe will come to pass, in which case I can only truly believe it will not.
Or:
B. It is a spoiler of some sort. If it is a spoiler of some sort, I cannot imagine to what end other than assisting the incumbent in some fashion, in which case I would simply dismiss it as being a spoiler of some sort.
But should it actually come to pass, then I would be forced to concede that you are indeed politically prescient.
Remember when SFB talked about running as a Dem? What better way than to destroy the Republican Party from within. (He’s not a Dem, nor is he a Repug. He’s a racist, fascist, megalomaniac.)
Haley may be perfectly happy watching Harris hand Pence is very white ass in a debate. Haley’s brand would be destroyed were she to agree to run with Orange Julius Cesar. I hope she’s smart enough to see that and keep her ego in check; run for the top of the ticket the next time.
I finally feel good about the battle ahead. It will not be easy fighting a corrupt administration and foreign enemies at the same time. But, Harris and Biden can do it.
Hello Blue,
Interesting thought that two candidates with history from India will be the choice in 2024. Also interesting points regarding the Republican party however you have overlooked the battle in the Democratic party with the big pull to the left. This is the dynamic that would be the demise of the Biden / Harris ticket.
You are correct of the move towards the middle and once the Republicans complete this journey and if the Dems continue to be pulled to the far left by radicals, the Republicans will become the dominate party.
Let’s see what happens
Blue,
Humor – “It will not be easy fighting a corrupt administration and foreign enemies at the same time” This is what Trump has done as the Obama /Biden administration created a horrible mess for our Country. That shoe will drop soon.
the week:
“our better angles”? the week needs a new proofreader or it’s a freudian tell
How would SFB’s racists feel about him swapping out Q-Tip for Hayley? Would they just stay home?
Some of “the base” might begin to be a bit queasy if the evangelical and very white pence were to get the boot. It would show weakness and desperation.
That’s my problem. I have no better angles.
Go Joe! Go Kamala!
Go, donald. go far far away.
and take your spawn with you.
Rikers island is nice this time of year and you may see some old friends there.
Nice thinker piece BB. Ping, I think voters are moving to the left and the dems are just following them, repubs in denial. Greed at the top is turning people against big business. For example, universal health insurance is almost a mainstream idea now, at least for a public option. That’s a big change from just a few years ago. Interesting how FOX prime time anchors now attack the “radical left” instead of just the “left” as they once did. Almost an admission that the left and liberal no so unpopular these days, now needs a scary adjective.
Wow, no moss on The Lincoln Project. Good ad, again.
HOUSEKEEPING: Comment editing changed after a recent WordPress update. There’s now a new WordPress-provided edit button to the right of your name above your comment.
Works better than the old one below your comment, which was a third party plugin I had installed waiting for WordPress to finally create their own. I’ll remove the old one after we’ve road tested the new one.
Craig – much of what I have been thinking about, which is occasionally referenced in polling analysis, is the U.S. is tipped to minority majority now. My generation, Baby Boomer, is dying off, Gen X, Gen Z and Millennial generations are the majority. All that means that previous factors used in analysis are old and that Millennial’s will be voting in 2024. They are not the same as the generations before them, in many ways. Gen X and Gen Z suffered through the last republican debacle and the Great Recession. Now Millennial’s are suffering through the SFB Depression. All generations are being affected, but the younger are the Social Security payers. Baby Boomer is the recipient of Social Security now. The younger generation is more liberal and looking for equality. They see what is happening right now and it is not good. If 2024 is Haley v Harris, I expect to see the more liberal Dems to keep on winning.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-what-we-know-intl/index.html
Russian snake oil. Thanks, but no.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/apple-facebook-microsoft-amazon-trump-visa-restrictions/index.html
SFB is not a friend to folks from India, so maybe Indian-Americans won’t be on board, either.
Hmmm, I hear about this bit about the party being dragged far left by the radical left elements in it, but I see two center-left candidates heading the slate for November, a center-left speaker of the House and a center-left minority leader in the Senate. I haven’t seen any radical left legislation coming out of the House and aside from a bit of support for the BLM movement and discussion about universal healthcare (or as Poobah noted, offering a public option) but otherwise I only see that shift in the insane ramblings (and nothing else comes out of his mouth) of the Orange Clown and his enablers. Love to see someone (Ping?) point out what demonstrates this shift left.
BTW Poobah – I don’t see any new edit button.
One proof of a general trend left is the fact that half or more of the republican party are now supporting the democrats’ ticket.
Sturg… I don’t see half the Republican Party as declaring themselves “left”. Methinks they clearly see trump for the asshole he is… and Biden as a decent human being. They will vote Democratic this time… but maybe not in 2024… depends on who the candidates are.
Pogo, do you see an edit button to the right of date/time stamp above your comment?
Yep, they still gops but I think that they are also moving left, even if only, for now, away from what the gop has become.
Impossible to deny that it was gop policies which irrevocably led to the present situation.
They threw the best they had in their whole party against him and in the end every one of them either groveled shamelessly at his feet or got chewed up and spit out.
Can they hope to regain control of the gop or will it continue as the party it has become, leaving no place for them……
Craig – I don’t see a button at the date stamp.
Poobah, no button there.
Biden-Harris debut event at 3pm
OK, thanks for feedback on edit button. Is your old edit button working as usual? This WordPress update is puzzling me. Investigating.
Craig
Call some of your media folks. They keep making a major error. Kamala Harris is NOT the first Californian on a Presidential ticket. That just happened to be the very first Presidential Candidate for the new Republican party, John C. Fremont, Senator of California.
Of course it helped that he helped steal the state from the Mexicans in order to do it and happened to marry into heavy political family in Jessie Benton, but that’s politics for you.
Don’t count your chickens before they hatch because these motherfuckers made an omelette out of the Constitution.
no edit button by screen—name for me either but maybe i have to clear my cache and my phone is at least 3 updates behind, so🤷♂️
counting chickens
The first native born Californian on a Major party ticket : richard nixon
Harris has the “nixon seat” in the Senate.
I have an edit button. Nyah nyah.
XR
See above. John C. Fremont, Republican 1856
oops you threw in Native Born
Reagan was Californian of some degree
craig, i have the new “edit” after the date time line and it worked fine for my last edit.
the old edit button which is still there involves some sort of craziness about “adjust comment time” instead of the save or cancel option.
i also see the new edit button on everyone else’s date time lines just like the one i have that works.
mystery that they don’t see it.
reminds me of the 6 ft tall rabbit Harvey in that jimmy stewart movie that only he could see.
I don’t see a big pull to the ‘left,’ whatever ‘left’ means, Mr Ping.
On your side of the divide I see a swing toward Big Government rule without input from the Congress, and praise bestowed on the jim crow era, rioting federal agents, neonazis, russian agents, and ghislaine maxwell. Is this what ‘right’ means ? If so, run on that, please.
is this spectrum what we’re talking about in re left/right?
nixon was 100% Yorba Linda, California. His best friend was Floridated.
this is part of an email lizzie sent out to her grassroots supporters today:
Well this makes Willie Brown look like the attention seeking asshole he is. He said in a newspaper column that Harris should turndown vp and take ag instead….. Because so many ag’s have gone on to be pres.
Talk about being politically irrelevant…Brown took a promising political career and traded it for money and corruption
I’m posting this just to see if I have a new edit button.
update… nope… same old one. But then I have one of Craig’s hated Macs.
No Mac and no edit button
renee, i see the new edit right under your name and right of the date time after a slash mark /
is it just me or do you see it too but can’t use it?
KGC, weird. i see one after your date time line too.
do you both still have the old edit button and if so does it work like it use to?
I don’t see Green ? on that continuum, Ms Pat.
Also, I don’t see Presbyterian/Sunni Islam-ism through Anglican/Shi’ite/Papism, that is, De-centralized & Fatalist vs Centralized & Free will-ist.
Or a continuum of commie-ism (Centralized Fatalism) through ayn rand-ism (Decentralized Free Willism)
These two axes together form a grid. Throw in a Green – brown continuum and you get a 3D matrix. Throw in a Theist-Non Theist continuum and you enter the 4th Dimension.
Now, about carnivorism and vegetarianism . . . .
patd…. the edit button is exactly as it’s always been. No, I can’t see yours. And yes, my button still works… I had to use it to do the update.
Allz eye knoh is youse ain’t never had no President from Scranton- ‘enna er no?
Sorry this edit function in flux. WordPress trying to enhance the feature and they usually sort out the glitches.
Biden-Harris debut almost two hours late. They’re risking this being called a disaster before it even starts.
Steve Schmidt just went to the edge and stated the unspoken. He said that Kamala Harris is most likely the next president after Biden. The way he said it was to hint that Biden was one term only. Yup. Finally said.
Biden-Harris debut on now.
Hot damn. Someone who can speak, clearly and not in the rattling space of an empty casaba. I am so happy now. Back when Biden and Obama took the stage there was not the drama of today. Yes, there was a recession happening, yes there was the disaster of Iraq and Afghanistan and there was the Village Idiot and the war monger without a heart. Today we have a team of anti-Americans in the White House who are doing everything possible, including allowing foreign actors, to destroy this country. Bush had never had that goal.
Yay! Hip hip hurrah.
Love this more than I expected, given my feelings about Warren! Biden-Harris!
And if the fascists in tRUMP’s camp are trying to paint Biden as frail/old, ummm, Joe’s out riding a bike while the orange, bucket of lard is having his ass hauled around in a golf cart, has to use two hands to lift a glass, and barely knows what’s actually going on (not his conspiracy, anti-science garbage) in the world.
Biden/Harris 2020…and beyond!
I look forward to the “debates”. Those will be a blast. SFB wants many of them, his staff realize that he could not talk himself a winner debating a dead night crawler.
Biden and Harris sound like the perfect team! Joe did a great job with his first pick. Can’t wait to see his cabinet!
ps – Suck it, tRUMPSKY.
It’s going to be called a disaster a whole lot before this thing is over. But it won’t be one no matter what they call it.
Damn. T-storms around DC. Power went out and I did not get to see the final minutes. YouTube will be the way to watch. Good grief, it is Todd. I thought he was demoted and the 5pm program was Nicolle.
169,000 Americans dead of trump’s hoax. They just died to make him look bad.
She’s too tough. She’s not tough enough. Jeez, he fascists in the WH and Faux Noise can’t even get on the same page. Too many turning points mean you’re going in circles.
The Whitest Man is gonna be annihilated in the debate.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/pelosi-stimulus/index.html
Biden/Harris can show voters they are with them…and Republicans are against them in the fight for stimulus money.
Who are these “suburban housewives” to which Orange Julius refers? I mean, women had the vote in 1950, but that was 60 years ago, so…
Trump on Harris and Biden: “She said horrible things about him, including accusations made about him by a woman where I guess she believed the woman.” FOX also pushing this narrative, with clips where she does appear to say that. Kamala needs to put this down somehow.
https://www.gocomics.com/mikeluckovich/2020/08/12
Let’s see if this works.
Mmmm, let the women who signed NDAs with tRUMP speak freely. I mean, if the misogynists at Fox wanna go there, let’s talk about the rapist in the OO.
Harris could be the Veep PLUS the AG.
Who else do we have who can be mean a junkyard snake in going after polluters, russian moles, saudi moles, simony artists, bribesters, illegal weapon distributors, racist thugs, federal rioters, baby cagers, vote depressors, crimes against humanity perps, stimulus kleptos, obstructors of justice, obstructors of Congress, illegal contributors, renta regulators, child sexual abusers and traffickers, and misprision of felony perps ?
Who says the Republican Party is not becoming diverse?
Socialism vs America
Pings, you staying safe?
Show me your numbers and I’ll show you mine. Where’s my black guy? Bwahahahahahah. Diverse my ass.
Joe, get her on the Sunday shows. Rinse and repeat.
she went after the Rump in clear easy to understand terms: he’s responsible for the covid death every 80 seconds, the worse economy, the 16 million out of work, the millions of children not in school etc etc while the rest of the world has done better.
glad she’s focusing on him. waste of time to trash pence.
and yes it’s nice to hear people speak coherently.
her very best line:
“Like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground.”
that had to hurt
kamala:
Craig, Harris can combat her clips with mucho clips by trumpity on women and sex.
OMG, Marjorie Taylor Greene of merry ole Georgia is a stupid conspiracy Q-Anon mess. GAG.
Wonderful! A breath of FRESH air! Biden’s & Harris’ speeches today were wonderful. They said, especially Biden. ALL the stuff we’ve been seeing in this country.
I’m donating for the second time in my life to them. And it’s cheaper than moving to, I think, England now.
169,124 Americans. I hope they start haunting the bitching pumpkin, the entire cabinet it sits in, and the fertilizer caucus he created in Congress.
170,000 coming up tomorrow.
So now I see that Jeanine Pirro is yammering Pilar’s prediction (about Biden not being the dem nominee) on her Fox TV show.
Ms 21, I don’t think England will let you in. I mean, you are from the Covid/Bible Belt.
Hey Sturg.. All good here in Florida. Seems somewhat normal with a mask and just stay clear! How are you?
Bout the same, wear the mask, try and stay clear……..I never liked most of those people anyway.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/politics/postal-service-dejoy-conflicts-amazon-trades-xpo-stake/index.html
It’s time to drain tRUMP’s swamp.
Gonna be a good old fashioned Donnybrook. Only Donny is a moron.
Wall St sure likes the Harris choice.
XR, so it would appear.
That’s good news x-r!
If you think I’ll let jared kushner
Move in next door and ‘borrow’ my push mower,
You must be crazy or something.
Our suburban women and children will be in great danger.
Joe will kill god and soil your sacred suburb groves with Jesus, Saints Joseph and Mary, other poor people and bathtub statues.
O, the humanity !
George Conway temporarily scaring the hell out of folks with a headline
I Believe the President and In The President
jamie, he had a follow up on the 10th to the feb one you posted. both tongue in cheek or at the point of a kellyanne held gun i presume. here’s a line from the one this week:
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