Each side got what they needed to say their guy won and stay enthused, what matters most at this point. Undecideds probably still confused, might not even vote.
Instant Polls Debate Watchers.
Who won?
CNN:
51% Vance
49% Walz
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CBS:
42% Vance
41% Walz
17% Tie
This seems to be the leading clip so far:
WALZ: Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?
VANCE: Tim, I’m focused on the future
WALZ: That’s a damning non-answer.
Video.. https://x.com/atrupar/status/1841306806347350107?t=jCXW_2AMdGePKzwH-Noz2Q&s=19
Craig – The clips of Walz are great. More folks will see those clips than watched the actual debate. He doesn’t seem wobbly at all on the socials, because the clips are up close. Very relatable.
JD is getting hammered; clips of J6 next to him saying Adolf “peacefully handed over power” on a loop. Not just a liar, an enabler. JD is just dangerous.
This cost Vance the debate win with voters. They really are sick of the lying about the 2020 election.
Vance refuses to admit that Trump lost the 2020 election
Walz called the evasion “damning”
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/10/01/vance-walz-vp-debate-tonight/vance-wont-say-trump-lost-in-2020-00182102?s=03
Good to hear BiD, you are right that the clips are what matter. Once I “covered” a debate by not watching it live, just wrote up the clips I saw next day. Think that might have been the most accurate way to evaluate the real impact on voters.
Our “knucklehead” Coach is still the most popular.
Attribution: JD Vance debate questions by Dave Whamond, Canada, PoliticalCartoons.com
Stephen Colbert delivers his monologue LIVE from New York City following the debate between vice presidential candidates J.D. Vance and Tim Walz.
Thank you for subjecting yourselves to the Veep show.
I heard a few seconds before I changed the station, radio was on in the bedroom. I did not know that thousands of little girls are “drug mules” and overwhelming the U.S. with fentanyl. Nothing about China dumping tons of it here though. Fortunately the local classical radio station had a sleep inducing number on and I got a couple hours shuteye.
in case you missed the debate and ignored the vid above, colbert wrapped it up as:
and here’s kimmel’s take
Tonight was the Vice Presidential debate between JD Vance and Tim Walz, Fox News is desperate to exploit any kind of oddness that they can conjure up about Tim Walz, the two candidates were pretty polite to each other, CBS opted to not fact check live but to have a QR code on the screen instead so we created our own – just go to MattDamonSucks.com, Trump did a play by play of the debate on Truth Social, he was in Wisconsin today where we was in full babble mode, and JD Vance (Haley Joel Osment) has released a new ad making his donut shopping a top priority.
in other news, need more coverage like this one in the Latin Times
Full List of Republicans Who Voted Against FEMA Relief Before Helene Battered Their Home States (msn.com)
the view from across the pond
JD Vance and Tim Walz keep it civil in policy-heavy vice-presidential debate – US elections live (theguardian.com)
JD is lucky that Tim is such a nice guy, because he got off easy on not having to answer for his Putin-appeasement, his professional associations with technocrats, and his refusal to apologize for sending one of the communities he represents into chaos based on a (admitted by himself) politically-motivated lie.
i was personally offended at his insistence on using and repeating the dehumanizing term “illegal aliens” when even most conservatives have moved on from using such a spiteful language, and i think JD from 10 years, ago, would be personally offended by what he said last night, too. i’m not even sure he believes anything he said last night, but i do think he’ll say whatever he thinks he needs to in order to advance his own interests, just like his boss.
JD is unfit for the office of President, Tim Walz is a proven executive, simple as that
Harris/Walz 2024 We Can Do This 🇺🇸
JDouché may have edged Coach Walz in the debate by a point or two, but Tim picked up 18 favorability points to 9 by JDouché. 5 weeks from now, to the extent it matters at all, which of those two metrics will matter among the few folks who are still undecided? My guess is the latter.
i honestly don’t think you’re as racist as trump does, conservatives. Reject the racism and leave the President box blank, if that’s what you have to do, thanks in advance ❤️
i doubt most of the racist online provocateurs even vote, they’re either paranoids, Russians, or profiteers, show us you’re not them, leave it blank
Follow up with Chris Hayes
New Cook Political battleground poll (bipartisan):
Harris leading or tied with Trump in all but 1 of the 7 battleground states and holding a lead of 49% to 48% overall.
AZ: 🔵 Harris +3
GA: 🔴 Trump +1
MI: 🔵 Harris +3
NV: 🔵 Harris +1
NC: 🔵 Harris +3
PA: 🔵 Harris +2
WI: 🔵 Harris +2
Harris Narrows Gap On Economy, Immigration
Trump has only a three-point lead on a centerpiece of his campaign, trust in handling the economy. Trump has his largest lead over Harris, 51% to 42% on the issue of border and immigration. However, that is a five-point drop from his 53% to 39% lead over Harris in August.
— Cook Political Report Swing State Project Survey conducted by BSG and GS Strategy Group (September 19-25; 2,941 voters; +/- 3.8)
https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/swing-state-polling-finds-deadlocked-presidential
NOTE: With the exception of her ahead in NC, it’s amazing how close this is to the actual 2020 results — which were even closer in some states (Biden won WI by just half a point for example)
Key data after VP debate
CNN POLL:
– More in touch with people like you? Walz +13
– Walz grew his net favorability +4 more than Vance
CNN FOCUS GROUP:
– 2 undecided MI voters said Vance’s J6 answer lost their vote
NBC FOCUS GROUP:
– 5 of 6 undecided PA voters said Walz won
Harris camp’s first ad from last night..”That is a damning non-answer”
Ah, the mixed blessing of having the office server down for a while.
I suppose I could read paper files, but, jeez.
Chickenshit has to be in rage mode being behind in 6 of the 7 battlegrounds.
Attribution: Why Leaves Change Leaves in Trees by Christopher Weyant, The Boston Globe, MA
Perfect
JD lost the fact checks.
Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/02/fact-check-vp-debate-vance-walz/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social
WaPo fact checker banner:
The breakdown of the 21 claims Kessler thought needed further examination goes like this:
False Lacks context Exaggerated True
Vance 13 1 1
Walz 1 1 2 2
About what I would have expected. Like Kessler said:
Touche Douche.
Little feller’s mad cause they won’t let him lie.
Take any words he says, flip it upside down and inside out, and then you have the truth.
Pete explains it.
Wisconsin almost isn’t a battleground state anymore..
Marquette Law School Poll of Wisconsin voters finds Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris supported by 52% and Republican former President Donald Trump supported by 48% among registered voters. Among likely voters, it is also 52% for Harris and 48% for Trump
I watched a little of the debate last night. I thought Walz did best when he went into teacher mode and explained complicated subjects. He did worst when he tried to deliver canned responses. The national media/pundit/political hacks have problems understanding Walz in that he treats his audience as if they had a brain. Something rare in national political circles but essential for local political success.
JDV, was just a cleaned up racist redneck.
Jack
What do you get when you send a racist redneck to Yale? JD Vance or what ever his current name is.
Jack
If I had to pick a ~favorite~ JD tall tale from last night, it would be that all of the houses are off of the market because illegal immigrants are living in them.
So, they come here and get paid poorly to do jobs nobody else will do, and they are inhabiting all of the houses all over the country?
It’s the corporate investors buying up the houses and keeping them off market to make inventory scarce and drive up prices. I believe the new law gives them several years to reduce their holdings. Why, when we need housing now?
Rent is high because of the algorithm of an app fixing prices. Illegal?
There are several houses and quite a bit of land for sale around here, but it’s all double of what it was 6 or 7 years ago. Property taxes are crazy, yet states are going to funds from legalized gambling to pay for public schools. Nuts.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-republicans-vice-president-vance-name-359c3d1361c94f5d2d1e9798b7854477
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-name-b2622281.html
“He was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio, on Aug. 2, 1984, his middle and last names the same as his biological father, Donald Bowman.”
“He was adopted by his new stepfather, Robert Hamel, and his mother renamed him James David Hamel.(The only birth certificate for Vance on file at Ohio’s vital statistics office reads James David Hamel, according to information provided by the state.)”
“He would spend more than two decades as James David “J.D.” Hamel, and served in Iraq as a US Marine – Corporal James D Hamel.”
“He decided to change his name again, to Vance — the last name of his beloved “Mamaw.” (The official name change reportedly didn’t happen on his wedding day in 2014, as the book implies, but in April 2013, as he was about to graduate from Yale.)”
“Vance made the final alteration to his name after joining politics in July 2021, removing the periods from “J.D.”
The guy is a regular George Santos.
Tim Walz — first post-debate rally coming up, York PA
It’s evident….WALZ is a real human who’s educated and not stupid, while Vance is a phony human who’s educated but not smart. He should get himself a truck and then go wait in it.
This is how you know a campaign is satisfied with debate performance. If they weren’t he’d go into hiding…
Walz is ramping up his schedule: The campaign said he’ll travel through Pennsylvania, Nevada and Arizona and add more media hits, sitting for two national TV interviews, a podcast and a late-night TV appearance.
Fetterman speaking now, trashing Vance
Kamala would have been disappointed had Walz felt it necessary to lie about something while Stump would have been disappointed had Vance felt it necessary to tell the truth about anything.
Walz entrance by bus. Cool!
Unsealed and flat out calls sfb a criminal.
JD’s douchiest moment was calling Tim Walz “man” in a very contrived effort to seem normal, glad i listened on “radio” cuz the visuals are creepin’ me out, man
In an internationally televised Vice Presidential debate, you call the guy “Governor”, JD, for future reference, not that you have a political future
I think a lot of the Harris – Walz campaign strategy in both debates was to not get in the way of an opponent who is trying to shoot himself in the foot. It was one of the reasons that Walz doubled down on the Minnasota nice last night. I was also disappointed that they muted Walz’s mike just as they were getting a good back and forth on immigration, not letting Walz fact check JDV. And at that time somebody needed to.
Was that moment when he walked out on the stage to when he walked off.
Jack
Walz is my favorite kind of politician, when dealing with him you will always know where he stands/ it is in his face. I’ll bet he is a bad poker player.
Jack
Much fun in this DOJ doc today, and Pumpkin in full meltdown.
Quite the nugget here..
From p. 142 of Jack Smith’s filing:
“Upon receiving a phone call alerting him that Pence had been taken to a secure location, [PERSON 15] rushed to the dining room to inform [Trump] in hopes that the defendant would take action to ensure Pence’s safety. Instead, after [P15] delivered the news, the defendant looked at him and said only, “So what?””
US prosecutors show new details of Trump’s bid to overturn election loss
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-prosecutors-detail-evidence-trump-election-subversion-case-2024-10-02/
i’ll say, Mr. J, without belaboring the point, that everyone i talked to today had the same impressions without me leading them, so i’m not of a unique perspective, which heartens me 😮💨
Harris/Walz 2024 Humans For Humans 🇺🇸
Ari Melber is about a pain in the ass. His guest is “Ambassador” Sondlund. What a piece of greasy dreck.
Giving that schmuck a platform to speak is just shitty.
Enough said.
Bink isn’t trying to pick one moment a bit like identifying the stinkiest dump in an outhouse? It really doesn’t matter the whole place stinks.
Jack
Now the question is what effect will the Longshoreman’s strike have on the economy and election.
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