Edward R Murrow regarding the war in Indo-China, the Vietnam War
A question worth asking, as the debate over leaving Afghanistan takes place, have things changed to where a presence forever in a foreign country makes sense? I am all for leaving, but this is not like when the Soviets left a long time ago in the nineteen eighties. At that time they were in Afghanistan for a different reason.
Although the Americans went in under the pretense of fighting terrorism, that was twenty years ago. Americans went in roughly ten some years after the Soviets left. Times have changed. Back then the shell of the Russian world was collapsing under the weight of it actually being a step above a third world country.
Today, we are looking at an ambitious country which is actually doing more than supplying weapons. China goes into a country and improves it, but with a debt to be paid later. The later payment date is having China pseudo rule it.
Could we be back in the Cold War but with a different opponent? Yes, I think we are. China does have the cojones to do things the old Soviets could not. And, they are doing it by not brutalizing the people during the invasion. China shows up with a wallet.
Do we accept the unknown consequences of leaving the Southwest Asia countries without a presence? Or, do we stay in one to provide a block to another political adversary? I see the question as one we need to ask now and be prepared for an answer we do not like. I would enjoy China adding its flag to the pile of invaders who thought it a good place to set up a military outpost.
Taliban announces ‘amnesty,’ urges women to join government – The Washington Post
meanwhile back at home in the states…
pandemic rages
fire rages
shooting crime rages
homelessness increases
magaT insurrectionist plots continue
and it’s hurricane season again
[being potus isn’t all fun and games]
China treats its Muslim population horribly. Perhaps they want to move them out of China?
After previous presidents kicking the can down the road instead of pulling out, after listening to Orange Adolf lie for four years, it’s pretty amazing to see actions that match words, and, to hear ownership of the action taken.
I do wish Flatus were around to add his take on the withdrawal.
BB – great post
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/16/fort-bliss-el-paso-afghan-refugees/
In case you missed it last night, this is where Afghanistan refugees are headed.
“…refugee relocation in the U.S., including temporary sights under assessment at Fort Bliss, Texas, and Camp McCoy, Wisconsin,”..,
Speaking of Flatus, has anyone heard of or from him? Did I miss news of his illness or passing or just an exit stage right from the site pissed off, bored or just exasperated?
Just saw Mitch slam the withdrawal from Afghanistan as a stain on the US blaming Uncle Joe. I hope Joe doesn’t give a proverbial flying fuck about what Moscow Mitch says about it, or anything for that matter.
Bush doomed Afghanistan when he invaded Iraq
Press Run editorial
Great post Bronc. Well done.
Blue, Trusting a newspaper with an editor who doesn’t know the difference between sight and site is a little hard to do. It was probably done by some typist using spellcheck.
DOD spokesman just on cnn said they are capable of getting 5,000-10,000 folks out per day. but the folks have to make it to the airport first and then thru the state dept processing. if all goes well that could mean a complete evacuation is possible within a month. don’t hold your breath tho’ – getting to the airport isn’t going to be easy.
my nightmare scenario is a nutball (wanting to be a martyr and get his 73 virgins) successfully pass thru the process, board and then blow up a plane stuffed to the gills with evacuees.
A comment at WaPo form “zeiner 73” responding to Aaron Blake’s piece about Clarissa Ward’s coverage from Kabul:
Now THAT’S GOOD.
patd, it’s not hard to envision that happening.
CNN clapped back at Ted Cruz after he criticized its female reporter in Afghanistan, contrasting her ‘bravery’ with his ‘running off to Cancún in tough times’ (msn.com)
Seth Myers last night found a truly memorial quote from an Army Intel Col.
Describing our policy for the last 20 years …………………..
“It became a self licking ice cream cone”
Nice post BB.
Patd-
Something else for your list .
We are about to stop sending water to Arizona framers, from Lake Meade.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/04/why-intel-tsmc-are-building-water-dependent-chip-plants-in-arizona.html
These guys remind me of that ice cream cone.
…it was exactly that. i probably pissed him off, plus he said his eyes had trouble visually with the site
Bob,
surprised that statement doesn’t have a post script that reads:
In the meantime, Mr. Pres., ignore all the criticism we’re continuing to write about how you’re responsible for the mess, how you’re not getting people out fast enough and how much attention we’re giving the nutballs who hate you. It’s nothing personal, sonny, it’s strictly business.
Pogo – Flatus mentioned a health issue shortly before he disappeared.
Our ex-military, office ~proud boy~ is slamming Biden today. Of course, he does that every day.
Jamie – “Eye half a spelling checker, it came with my pea sea…”
too bad the media in their frenzy today overlook where it began.
at least this op ed in the hill acknowledged it:
Of course China is the adversary, btw. It’s an expansionist fascist anti-democratic, anti-human state that persecutes any who dare cross it
Personally, i knew covid would be bad when the Chinese government started imprisoning their own well-intentioned journalists for trying to warn the world about what was coming, which was all pre-January 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/apr/28/afghanistan-mujahideen-taliban
“The original mujahideen of the 1980s and today’s Taliban may use the same language of holy war, but their understanding of jihad is worlds apart.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
“Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The mujahideen were also supported by Britain’s MI6, who conducted separate covert actions. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups, …”
So, Reagan started this cluster. We didn’t just arm the militants this week (via confiscated weapons from the Afghan army), we’ve been doing it for decades.
And Dumbass the Former and his minions, lying about the agreement with the Taliban, criticized the withdrawal as done incompetently. Never mind that the “conditions based” agreement had only conditions that can best be characterized as low hanging fruit and had no enforcement mechanisms built in. BTW, the Biden administration has found the lever that may allow the US to keep some measure of control over the Taliban and this clusterfuck for the time being. WaPo:
Haven’t heard this mentioned by the Biden critics – I guess its importance eluded them. Plus, it doesn’t have the emotional impact that a cell phone video of a C5-A rolling on a taxiway with Afghans hanging on it does.
one thing about bob…..he was always impeccably in tune. It’s one of the great secrets of his success. And it was all ear-tuned. A whole nother thing cause some folks back then had little impeccadillos.
This song is a 1962 take on fallout shelters, which were all the rage at one point.
—Dylan
People sometimes are prone to say things like “oh, history will judge them harshly” or karma and hubris will catch up with them on down the road etc
But just looky here who’s catching at least a modicum of history-type scrutiny……Bush Cheney, Rumsfeld and all them.
Eh, let’s face it: the US was in Afghanistan for 20 years because GWB has a little dick
Looks like we have a deal with Taliban for safe evacuations. You’d think it’s in their interest to get rid of their enemies and kick us out ASAP. If we evacuate 100,000 scared Americans and Afghans would lessen political hit for Biden.
Having that dude as president was about the same as if we’d had my friend Dave.
One of Dave’s favorite moves was walking like a chicken while emitting the scream of a peacock.
“If we evacuate 100,000 scared Americans and Afghans would lessen political hit for Biden.”
craig, nah, he’ll be hit then for letting in all those furriners.
Don’t sweat the politics of it- the GQP is in a bind because the “America First” base doesn’t support interventionist wars because quite frankly it’s their kids that enlist
Scariest thing I heard today, Council on Foreign Relations president Richard Hass on MSNBC worrying Taliban could take over Pakistan and its nuclear weapons.
Pat, he’s sending them to Europe
craig, not all are going to europe.
who is scheduled to come to ft. bliss and the other bases announced to house evacuees? just the afghani interpreters & family?
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/08/17/fort-bliss-could-receive-afghan-refugees-taliban-topples-government/8163311002/
BREAKING: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tests positive for Covid https://t.co/Pj4pja6wrq
He should have worn a mask
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/17/texas-governor-greg-abbott-positive-covid/
Abbott “…spoke Monday night at a GOP event in Collin County, later tweeting photos of him addressing a maskless crowd. Less than three hours before his diagnosis was announced Tuesday afternoon, he tweeted pictures of a meeting with guitarist Jimmie Vaughan.“
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/pete-chasten-buttigieg-parents/index.html
How about a little bit of good news.
“For some time, Chasten and I have wanted to grow our family. We’re overjoyed to share that we’ve become parents!” Pete Buttigieg wrote in a tweet.“
Someone should ask Abbott if he knows that karma is spelled b-i-t-c-h. Stupid shit.
And I bet this (from the Statesman) will almost make his head explode:
“Fort Bliss in El Paso will be the destination for potentially thousands of Afghan refugees, Pentagon officials said Monday during a press conference to address the United States’ withdrawal from Afghanistan.
“As we prepare for even more arrivals, [U.S. Northern Command] and the U.S. Army are working to create additional capacity to support refugee relocation in the U.S., including temporary sites under assessment at Fort Bliss, Texas, and Camp McCoy, Wisconsin,” Department of Defense official Gary Reed said.”
Congrats to Pete and Chasten – they’ll wonder some years from now why they thought this was a good idea.
heckuva job Greggers
I do hope Flatus is ok. :0)
As through any situation that appears to be very bad, slowly things come out about the back action. More and more there are the reports of what the SFB administration had done the last couple of years to encourage the Taliban. In particular are stories about that master of negotiations and business doing his thing to release criminals from jail, giving the enemy the go ahead to do what they want, but wait a year. Yup. Looking like SFB set the path for the collapse of the Afghanistan military and government.
Probably why SFB Texas has a dose of Covid-19 and people are climbing on that trophy. If you are trying to be a bigger SFB than the original SFB you pay a price. Rumours are SFB Texas has been vaxxed so there is little chance he will end up room temp after sucking on tube for air.
Yes, but what of Greg’s un-masked audience on Monday?
Greg won’t want to take refugees. He tried to opt out of tRUMPsky’s plan to take in folks, so why would he did it under Biden? (I think he was told he could not opt out, but I’m not certain.)
BB – This will be interesting if it can be verified that tRUMP touched Afghanistan and it, too, turned to crap.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/us/chicago-pharmacist-arrested-vaccine-cards-ebay/index.html
“Tangtang Zhao, 34, allegedly sold 125 Covid-19 vaccination cards from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention…”
“Zhao, who worked as a pharmacist during that time, was indicted on 12 counts of theft of government property, the release added.”
“Knowingly selling COVID vaccination cards to unvaccinated individuals puts millions of Americans at risk of serious injury or death,…”
“If convicted, Zhao faces up to 10 years in prison for each count…”
in re abbott, someone said on nicole’s show today that he was taking remdesivir. maybe he’s in more trouble than his spokeperson lets on.
A fake vaxx card can go for up to $1500, the shots are free.
China wants access to Afgan rare earth minerals. I wonder how the Taliban will deal with them jailing all those Muslims in Northwest China ?
Abbott , ………………..
On July 14, 1984, at age 26, Abbott was paralyzed below the waist when an oak tree fell on him while he was jogging following a storm. He had two steel rods implanted in his spine, underwent extensive rehabilitation at TIRR Memorial Hermann in Houston and has used a wheelchair ever since.
I hope we know where all those Pakistani A-Bombs are.
They played a dangerous game the last 20 years. And climate change is after both countries , and throw in Iran as well.
All of them , will be some of the first to deal with “Wet Bulb Temperatures”. We have already seen the first of these events in Iran , and Pakistan. Both were short in duration, a warning shot of what’s to come.
Tonight’s Top Story –
OSAM BIN LADEN IS STILL DEAD !
Thousands Of People Flee A Wildfire Near The French Riviera During Vacation Season
LA GARDE-FREINET, France — Thousands of people fled homes, campgrounds and hotels near the French Riviera on Tuesday as firefighters battled a blaze that raced through nearby forests, sending smoke pouring down wooded slopes toward vineyards in the picturesque area.
It was just the latest blaze in a summer of wildfires that have swept across the Mediterranean region, leaving areas in Greece, Turkey, Italy, Algeria and Spain in smoldering ruins.
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1028481268/french-riviera-wildfires-france-mediterranean-region-fires
News in the 21st Century –
“Thousands Flee” , and embedded in the story , a first hand account with this …………….. “We’ve never seen this before”.
Smoke ruins wine grapes , even if the vines are saved.
“Temperatures in the area have reached 40 degrees C (104 F) in recent days. ………………… The wildfire started Monday evening, in the height of France’s summer vacation season, about 40 kilometers (24 miles) inland from the coastal resort of Saint-Tropez. Fueled by powerful seasonal winds coming off the Mediterranean Sea, the fire had spread across 5,000 hectares (12,000 acres) of forest by Tuesday morning, according to the Var regional administration.”
Martha speaks from the sixties
Words
Send that to the Taliban .
OK, now I’m PISSED.
The real wild card in this mess is women. The Taliban say they have changed, but one thing is certain the women have .
Speaking of which, the PM in New Zealand has shut down the entire country over one new Covid case.
God Bless lesbian leadership.
Cases
From Wikipedia and
others
· Last updated: 10 mins ago
World wide 208M Deaths 4.38M
New Zealand
Cases
2,926
Deaths
26
Clever girl .
One last thought , they are about to start printing pictures of Kamala Harris on the sides of milk cartons.
Yeah. Where in the world is Kamala Harris? Well, maybe they want to keep her from being associated with the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. Although, she did go in for some kind of medical testing a couple of weeks ago.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics/texas-supreme-court-house-democrats/index.html
“I’m very disappointed in the Supreme Court’s opinion. We will continue to consult with our legal team to pursue a federal remedy that isn’t closely tied to Governor Abbott…”
As for Abbott’s current health situation (shoulda worn a mask, Greg), if anything happens to him, we will be stuck with Lt. Turd, Dan Patrick, who is actually a more loathsome being.
Mike Herriot
Greg Abbott has armed guards who don’t let people get close, daily testing for anyone he comes into contact with, a whole team disinfecting the Governors mansion and a medical staff on standby And he STILL got that shit I’m sure those unmasked Texas schoolkids will be fine, tho
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