— Caligula
August 9, 1974 Nixon resigns.
We kept the newspapers and put them in special bags to keep them for posterity. The shock and the importance of the event was so hard to believe. There was nothing to reference in our lives for this event.
Those newspapers moved around the country with us, always a reminder of a tremendous event. If only we knew to keep more than one copy of each newspaper.
This week has shaken many of us more than watching Tricky Dick waving his stupid fingers as he entered the helicopter.
As close to a disaster Nixon had brought us, it is nothing like what the idiot and imbecile is doing. He directed an attack on the Congress, the Vice President and the Speaker of the House. He had tried to cause damage if not death to the people who are supposed to be in place for succession of the government.
The Executive Branch put together an attack on the Legislative Branch of the U.S. government. The only reason the coup d’état failed is because the idiot failed to create a usable military unit which could capture or kill the Congress and the Vice President. Due to his narcissistic brain he could not pass command to someone, such as a former general named Flynn, who could create a unit capable of taking over the Capitol building.
I am not saving the newspapers now. Going forward the Internet will record what is happening.
The new impeachment is a real one. This time it is to impeach a president who tried to become a dictator.
GOPUERNICA
BB, good thread topic. here are 2 more fearsome quotes from a 2019 NYTimes story:
and from Time in 2017 :
on taking away their maga hatter (aka mega hater) megaphone
the guardian reports:
jc quoted by matt: “for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword”
vanity fair the hive:
Twenty-four hours after inciting a deadly riot on Capitol Hill, Donald Trump appeared to finally grasp the political peril and legal jeopardy sure to consume the waning days of his presidency and perhaps beyond. According to Republicans close to the White House, Trump posted the two-and-a-half-minute video Thursday night—during which he grudgingly acknowledged Joe Biden’s win for the first time—as an attempt to stave off prosecution or being removed from office via impeachment or the 25th Amendment. “He knows how bad things got. He knew he fucked up,” a 2020 campaign adviser told me. “This was the political Charlottesville,” a former West Wing official said.
According to one Republican briefed on internal conversations, Trump was swayed in part by Senator Lindsey Graham. The source said Graham called Trump yesterday and explained that there were enough Republican votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office unless he conceded the election and diffused tensions. “He told Trump that he had to say there would be a ‘peaceful transition.’ Those were the key words,” the Republican said. (In the video Trump said: “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power.”)
[…]
Trump’s fear of legal exposure is also being driven by his conversations with White House counsel Pat Cipollone. A source close to the West Wing told me Cipollone warned staff on Wednesday that they could be at risk if they helped Trump fuel the riot. “The warning he gave triggered resignations,” the source said. On Friday morning CNN reported that Cipollone is considering resigning.
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The scary thing for me is I have lived through two presidents, Nixon and the idiot and imbecile, who have tried to overthrow our rule of laws in a direct method. Along with another two who were close, Regan and Bush II. One thing that is common is they are members of the greedy old pervert party. Excluding Bush the second, the others were determined to fleece the flock of true believers. Fools who were brain washed into believing the old Calvinist teaching that the poor were that way for their own failings and they deserve paying the rich to become richer. That they believe that allows making them susceptible to believe other conspiracy crap, such as the q thing. How to fix it? I don’t know. Smart people need to come up with that.
“…Graham called Trump yesterday and explained that there were enough Republican votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office…”
So what happens next? Ask Chuck.
Let the impeachment begin- to protect us from the stupidity of the MAGAts in 4 years. Give the Asshole what he wants – his place in history.
but but no matter what mitch memo-ed, what about rule III? if house manages to get impeachment delivered ASAP this week then senate has no choice but to take it up next day after delivery.
however little glitch that says “unless otherwise ordered by senate”***
see CNN article from year ago on rule niceties
*** don’t they have to reconvene in order to take a vote on that “unless” exception?
what’s the status of senate now? aren’t they still open for taking in messages but not for debate? they haven’t completely adjourned have they and are there other mechanisms by-passing mitch to allow them to reconvene?
If Republicans have any sense of self-preservation, they will vote to IMPEACH & REMOVE the tyrant, TRAITOR tRUMPsky.
If they do nothing, he destroys what’s left of their party (and possibly our country) in 2024. Get him out of the way AND take away his pension, travel expenses and security detail.
Even the loathesome Ted Cruz should want to clear the deck for his own 2024 run.
patd, no. The Senate is not in session until 1/19. They don’t conduct business unless they are in session. Only Mitch can call the Senate into session. Do the math.
pogo, they still are in the business of taking messages even so.
well, at least get the impeachment done as soon as possible before he pardons himself or anyone else related to the impeachment. removing the pardon power doesn’t depend on senate trial verdict
BB – I hadn’t even considered that he wanted to take out the line of successors. Scary stuff and he needs to be removed, immediately.
What’s to stop him from doing this, and worse, in 2024? IMPEACH and REMOVE the TRAITOR. It’ll send a message to Ivanker, JarJar and Junior, too.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-hill-insurrection-extremist-flags-soh/index.html
Jeezaloo! Look at all of the hateful nonsense these unpatriotic asshats are rallying around.
Patd
Love the GOPernica though I might have been tempted to name it Pachydernica
patd, what reading I’ve done suggests that the Senate would only be open to receiving the Articles of Impeachment when it is in session. Still, the House should proceed with dispatch so it can accept the Articles at the first opportunity.
bid – If the terrorists had minimal training, arms and munitions they c0uld have wiped out the Congress and the vice president. Think Designated Survivor type situation except the president is the only one left. That is why this breach of security to allow them on the grounds and in the building is so horrible. When you look at what the security forces did to intimidate the BLM protestors, who were peaceful, and what they did for the repblican terrorists you see a massive failure to protect the Capitol. Also, the restrictions on using National Guard and the refusal of SFB to release them is part of the whole of making the attack successful. Overall this is the 9/11 of this era, but only five were immediately killed. The republican terrorists are planning to return for the Inauguration. Hopefully this time the WH and idiot will not be in charge of protection.
BB… nice Caligula quote.
It takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict trump. Last night on MSNBC… a question was put to Lawrence Tribe if that meant 2/3 of the full Senate… or 2/3 of those that show up for the vote.
Tribe said it would be 2/3 of those present in the chamber at the time. O’Donnell went on to explain that meant that one way for Republicans to say face would be to not be present for the conviction vote. Then the Democrats and whatever Republicans were on board for conviction… could remove trump. Tribe also said it was important that they do this even after trump left office… because conviction did mean he could never hold Federal office again.
If it’s the mob they fear, those asshats aren’t going away. IMPEACH & REMOVE!
Alternate name for their alternate-universe country: Asshatistan
It sounds like tRUMPsky has learned nothing. He’s trying to use the Twitter accounts of others.
i hope he doesn’t start posting here
Ha!
Impeachment would kill his running-for-office campaign grift. Also, no pension, no travel expenses and no security detail.
Lawrence Tribe doesn’t do Kabuki.
Hopefully none of the trappings for his devil spawn.
If you are on cable news by definition you do kabuki
Jack
Interesting, upper middleclass sensibilities are starting to kick in
From Forbes
Another addition to “Florida Man” list
Man Seen Carrying Lectern arrested
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/man-seen-carrying-lectern-during-capitol-rampage-arrested-in-florida/2359476/
Again, ALL sponsors of Faux New and NoiseMax should be boycotted.
The CPAP and catheter industries are going to take a beating
dipshit’s only escape is resignation before the House files impeachment articles, and then flight to a non-extradition country, So, by end-of-day, tomorrow.
He’s vulnerable to criminal charges in Georgia, New York, and D.C., at least
Wow… I would never put myself in the same camp as a long time Harvard professor who teaches Constitutional law. Thanks, Jack!
Harvard professor of constitutional law ? Oh, you mean like Alan Dershowitz?
I think what has become very obvious this week is that an Ivy league education ain’t what it used to be.
Jack
Then again probably never was, Harvard got us in the middle of Vietnam too.
Jack
BB, what worries me is the widespread MSM announcement including his own tweet that D’ump won’t attend the inauguration. you know there are nuts out there this moment planning a kamikaze mission of some sort on the ceremony.
plenty messages back and forth on social media before FB twitter took them down declaring a return on jan 17th.
caption contest?
Jack… considering Bannon went to Harvard… and Hawley went to Stanford and Yale…. you’ve got a point.
ps… my coffee was wicked great this morning!
pss… I love Kabuki! After all… we are all posting on a blog that was founded on cable news…
Inside Job? House Democrats are concerned that Capitol rioters — who seemed to navigate the complex with ease — had hidden help. They plan to probe this, among other security concerns.
https://t.co/9NTtsWnMY7
Youngest member of Congress, Madison Cawthorn, needs to be expelled from the House, also- i watched him incite violence from dipshit’s stage on Jan. 6
don jr whining about loss of freedom of speech hasn’t said a thing about his daddy’s terrorists assaulting journalists. see wapo story describing stuff like:
and breaking up media equipment as seen in this posted online by bloomberg reporter
https://twitter.com/i/status/1346940440935870472
schadenfreude, your name is michael
msn:
Junior needs to be charged with inciting the insurrection, too. Are Junior and Irk and Ivanker going to be rolled up in any state charges filed against SFB?
Caption: IDK The unpatriotic idiot thinks he won a major award. Democracy is fra-gi-le.
Especially suspicious they so quickly got to parliamentarian offices in both chambers hoping to seize electoral college docs. Recall when I was a Senate page sent to fetch something from parliamentarian office, twice had to ask for directions to find it.
So the dipshit state delegate Evans from WV who participated in the attack on the Capitol resigned, and I suspect he’s lawyered up and is engaged in discussions with the DC federal prosecutors office to try to avoid arrest.
Caption: Hi Mom. I picked up a souvenir for you.
Pence doesn’t get Trump sent his mob to assassinate him? Yet still won’t invoke 25th Amendment.
caption:
“hey earl, grand cyclops sure gonna love this speechifying stand. grab that there drape so’s we can purty it up a bit.”
craig, pence turned the other cheek
–and i don’t mean the one on his face.
Caption: I’m auditioning for really bad Pinellas County jailhouse production of Les Miserables
“Florida Man” is caption enough
The United States Constitution says that “no Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress” who “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution, “or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”
gonna be some mighty scared blowhards out there who didn’t really mean what they tweeted the other night after slamming a few.
the hill:
No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
annotation on above:
The right to remove disabilities imposed by this section was exercised by Congress at different times on behalf of enumerated individuals.1 In 1872, the disabilities were removed, by a blanket act, from all persons except Senators and Representatives of the Thirty-sixth and Thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.2 Twenty-six years later, Congress enacted that the disability imposed by section 3 . . . incurred heretofore, is hereby removed.3
Ironically I’m watching Cagigula on the History channel. Besides Saying,
I” don’t care if they respect me, so long as they fear me.”, he liked to embarass and humiliate all the senators. With one ancient Roman Tweet, people died.
Chilling like all dictators and one, hopefully, we’re getting rid of. Oh, he had NO loyalty to anyone. He wanted to be an absolute king. SO familiar!
Cruz, Cawthorn, and Giuliani can all be easily construed as providing “aid and comfort”, and observe that the cited Constitutional language requires no formal conviction
patd, it’s been a while, but my recollection is that Congress cannot by passage of an Act alter a provision of the Constitution.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html
Dersh and Rudee for the defense.
Any chance there is a digital trail to those on the inside of the attempted coup? The asshats were just giving cover.
I’ve signed an online petition for impeachment, but living in TX, I’m not sure that carries as much weight as a speck of dust.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/oregon-legislator-entry-protest-december-trnd/index.html
tRUMPsky has sympathizers everywhere.
Especially suspicious how rioters so quickly got to parliamentarian offices in both chambers hoping to seize electoral college docs. Recall when I was a Senate page sent to fetch something from parliamentarian office, twice had to ask for directions to find it.
Unthethered from his news desk Dan Rather has quite the sense of humour:
Dan Rather
@DanRather
I heard this Twitter thing wasn’t working for some people. Just came here to check… and it seems to be working for me. Oh well.
Sen. Sherrod Brown is calling for the resignations of Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz. He says if they don’t resign, they should be expelled.
Can we expel Cruz from the US?
Why no charges of domestic terrorism or sedition?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1381809/Donald-Trump-US-President-Capitol-riots-violence-Twitter-POTUS-latest-news-vn
In that link, Don. Jr and his wife and Mark Meadows enjoy the riot as “Gloria” by Laura Branigan plays in the background.
In whichever social media platform tRUMPsky and his band of domestic terrorists build their nest, any Feds still on the side of democracy will be able to track them.
Corey – She is surely rolling in her grave. Junior needs to be brought up on charges, too.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/capitol-hill-republicans-impeachment-removal-trump/index.html
No more empty words, Republicans. Impeach and remove to show you believe in our democracy. Don’t prop up the tyrant and his fascists.
The guy carrying the zip ties was an Air Force veteran. He has been fired from his airlines job.
This isn’t pretty but the entire city of DC must be shut down from Jan. 17 until Jan. 20 Inaugural. Every bridge and street closed. No human being allowed movement anywhere. Sad but necessary thanks to Donald Trump.
Impeachment isn’t going to “further divide” our country. It’s already divided and impeachment might just save it! Wake the F up, Republicans.
If they are still propping up tRUMPsky, they are part of the plot to overthrow our democracy.
pogo, the kicker in that const. amdmt was the last line:
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Craig
I have to agree. It is obvious that if the crowd storming the Capitol had been black, there would have been full body bags from the Capitol to the White House. Except for residents, all movement should be restricted and the inauguration totally virtual. The nation needs to cool down.
wsj via msn:
Statement from the U.S. Secret Service on Inauguration Security | United States Secret Service
abcnews:
Biden told reporters Friday that he has “great confidence in the Secret Service” and their ability to make sure the inauguration ”goes off safely.”
Authorities will have the same military and civilian footprint to handle a crowd of more than a million people for an event expected to draw a small fraction of that because of restrictions to combat the coronavirus, according to a person familiar with the security planning.
CNN: Vice President Pence has not ruled out an effort to invoke the 25th amendment and wants to preserve it as an option in case Trump becomes more unstable, a source close to the VP says.
More unstable? Sack up, Mike!
Impeach him by 0915 EST Monday
He can still be impeached if he gets 25A’d, so his only option is to resign ASAP
25’d and impeached. Sounds good.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/house-speaker-joint-chiefs-milley/index.html
Conundrum! If tRUMPsky wants to launch a nuke and the Generals don’t want to follow the orders of a madman, they would resign. To not follow the orders of Prez Crazy-pants would be a coup. Crap on a cracker.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/09/donald-trump-texas-rio-grande-valley/
tRUMPsky is to make a trip to TX and his fence in Tuesday. Please remove him from office before he uses this as another rally cry for his crazed followers.
patd, 2 points. First, to get to that final clause Congress would first have to go through the prior clauses and impeach and convict the sonofabitch, and Second, that’s in the amendment, so OK, let’s try it out.
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