She prosecuted front-runner Joe Biden to say, “My time is up.” Now she can leverage the calendar. Her home state California’s primary is earlier than ever. And she’s positioned to win blacks in South Carolina who rule that state’s early primary. Win or show in Iowa and in New Hampshire, and we’re done.
debate to dream for: warren harris vs trumpence
IF voters are still not ready for women and are too tired of old white men as candidates, then a booker castro may just be the ticket.
this is considering the demographics: approx. 17% of country is Hispanic 14% black and 51% female (most of whom hate and will vote for anybody running against the twit),
now for the recap from wapo’s aaron blake: Winners and losers from the Democratic presidential debate’s second night
Winners
Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.): People underestimate Harris as a politician, still to this day. And she seized the moment in her first presidential debate, charting a bold course. When the candidates talked over one another repeatedly, she raised her arms and silenced them: “Hey, guys, you know what? America does not want to witness a food fight, they want to know how we’re going to put food on their table.” It worked. Then she spurred the signature exchange of the night — a planned effort, clearly, but an effective one — by going after former vice president Joe Biden on his record on race. “I do not believe you are a racist,” she began, before calling it “hurtful” that Biden played up his working relationships with segregationist senators. Then she worked in Biden’s past opposition to federal busing, talking about a little girl who was “bused to school every day, and that little girl was me.” Others tried to engage Biden, but Harris actually got it done. And she made it personal, speaking about the issue as nobody else onstage could.
[continued winner list by naming Buttigieg, Bernie & trump]
Losers
Former vice president Joe Biden: We knew the former vice president was going to be attacked in this debate, given that he leads in the polls. We also knew his opponents had plenty to work with and that he would face tough questions about his lengthy period in public life. The combined result wasn’t great. His exchange with Harris was particularly brutal, but he also seemed to argue against the Obama administration’s record on deporting millions of undocumented immigrants. He offered a confusing answer on health coverage for undocumented immigrants. He at one point said of gun control, “Our enemy is the gun manufacturers, not the NRA” — which almost definitely isn’t what Democratic voters want to hear and can’t possibly have been a planned talking point. And Harris eventually got him to take what was essentially a federalist position on busing. “I did not oppose busing,” he said. “I opposed busing ordered by the Department of Education.” In the end, Biden had almost no chance to pursue his preferred campaign message: talking about Trump.
The old Democratic Party on immigration: The way the Democrats talked about immigration was basically irreconcilable with how the party talked about this issue 10 or even five years ago. [more]
[continued losers list naming obama, williamson and interrupting audience]
ny times: Who Won Debate Night 2? Political Veterans Weigh In
When the candidates took the stage in Miami on Thursday for the second night of Democratic primary debates, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Senator Bernie Sanders were the stars. By the time they walked off, all eyes were on Senator Kamala Harris.
Twitter is a bad gauge for public opinion, but a decent source for the assessments of professional observers, including some who know the stakes of debates best: veteran campaign strategists and consultants from both parties. Here is a sampling of responses from them, and from some activists and writers.
No one could match Harris …
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… but Buttigieg also had a good night
Pete Buttigieg received some tough questions, including one about a police officer’s fatal shooting of a black man in South Bend, Ind., where Mr. Buttigieg is mayor. He has been off the campaign trail for much of the week dealing with the crisis. But his response at the debate, when asked why the South Bend Police Department has not added more black officers during his time in office, impressed some strategists and activists.
“Because I couldn’t get it done,” he said, before adding: “I could walk you through all of the things that we have done as a community, all of the steps that we took, from bias training to de-escalation, but it didn’t save the life of Eric Logan. And when I look into his mother’s eyes, I have to face the fact that nothing that I say will bring him back.”
“I can’t stop thinking about Pete Buttigieg’s answer to that question. It was completely unexpected. Vulnerable, honest, heartfelt, and not one bit of cowardice in it. It was a leader’s answer.” — Charlotte Clymer, spokeswoman for Human Rights Campaign
“Once again, he took responsibility for his failure as mayor to fully address the underlying issues. But he also spoke of the incident in very human terms; of the man who was killed, his family and the impact on his community.” — David Axelrod, former senior adviser to Barack Obama
“If anyone is teaching media training classes for how to speak in English about complicated topics on television—@PeteButtigieg is masterful at it. Never mentions bills, never mentions DC garbely gook.” — Jen Psaki, former spokeswoman for Mr. Obama
Biden emerged worse for wear
Early in the debate, Mr. Biden got some praise from analysts.
[continues]
the guardian:
No country for old white men: Kamala Harris leads changing of the guard
The Democratic debates’ standouts have been Booker, Buttigieg, Castro, Harris and Warren – none a straight male Caucasian – while Joe Biden looked like this year’s Jeb Bush
Once again I failed to watch the show. However, Harris came through even though I was not sitting around cheering her on. Hoping that Biden takes the hint and steps aside. I still like a Harris/Klobuchar ticket.
Black police officers under Buttigieg not only didn’t increase, they actually decreased and a black police chief was fired and replaced by a white chief. I don’t know enough about the city’s political arrangement to know how much power the mayor actually has, but I do think Buttigieg should go home and fix one small city before he tackles a whole country.
Last night confirmed that my list of good probable nominees is now: Harris, Klobuchar, Castro, Warren and Booker with several good leftovers for Cabinet appointments.
BB and I are on the same page with Harris/Klobuchar with the only drawback being electability of an all female ticket. Still we have had all male tickets for majority of 240+ years, so might as well give it a try.
I’m adding Michael Bennet to my list of good VP or Cabinet choices unless he just wants to stay in the Senate and become Leader.
jamie44 – I know Michael Bennet from my life in Colorado. He is good with the people on Wall Street. A nice guy and probably someone who could be a good veep.
Well… I was leaning toward Harris before the debate… now I’m firmly in her camp.
I thought Joe looked too much like he was trying to find the right word.
patd… I saw Booker a couple weeks ago on some MSNBC program…. and he said that absolutely he wouldn’t put a man as his VP if he gets the nomination. He did not mention which woman he’d pick.
Can’t overstate significance of DNC frontloading primaries. When voting starts in Iowa Feb. 3 it’ll probably be over in 4 weeks on Super Tues, which includes California.
Craig – I cannot remember anyone guessing there would be over a dozen Dem candidates, let alone over two dozen Dems running. From what I read about these two presentations is the top tier of each night showed why they are there. The bottom eight were less than thrilling. Hopefully a few will decide their interview for veep is over and to go about running for the senate or house.
I commit to Kamala without further ado. She can beat Trump with or without a stick.
Harris is not leading in California
Most folks out West haven’t had a chance to see the debates yet.
Gee Flatus
We did see the debate during the cocktail hour
we have tv here 24/7
Good point KGC, Harris polling in CA. Think she’ll get a bump there after last night?
Biden is leading in the polls in NH. I don’t care. I’ve made a decision that I’m voting for a woman. I like Harris. I’m voting for who I want regardless of where they may be in any poll numbers.
I suspect if Biden continues to look as old and at times confused as he did last night… his polls numbers will start to reflect that. Once again I salute Joe for his many years as a stalwart warrior for the Democratic Party… but methinks it’s time to move on.
renee, Bernie too. am concerned tho’ that he (Bernie spurned) will once again be a spoiler. this time probably play ross perot by switching to run either on the independent or socialist party tickets. remembering how the Russians helped him and jill stein last time and might again.
speaking of putie’s peeps, methinks they’re having a field day fomenting rancor in the dem ranks.
I think she will get a bump from last night. Right now in Cal it’s Biden, Bernie and Kamala
the Cal primary is proportional
I think her bump will come from Biden’s numbers. Bernie supporters in California are diehards
thank you, jimmy carter, for reminding us truth still exists. but beware of incoming twitter flak and nasty nicknames from you-know-who when he reads this.
wapo:
“There’s no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election, and I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn’t actually win the election in 2016,” Carter said. “He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf.”
His made his comments during a panel discussion at a conference in Leesburg, Va., sponsored by the Carter Center, a nonprofit organization he founded in 1982 that focuses on human rights.
Pressed by historian Jon Meacham, who moderated the discussion, on whether he considers Trump to be “an illegitimate president,” Carter replied: “Based on what I just said, which I can’t retract.”
West Wing fans, remember season seven episode twenty, the Last Hurrah? Vinick is planning on running for president again when he gets the question
Biden is the one running instead of sitting back and supporting Dems. He could have teamed up with Obama too. But now he is looking like an old man who is trying to adjust to using a modern cell phone after his landline is cancelled.
pogo, that one was for you. this one is for Jamie:
deserves repeating and multiple reposts:
the quote is making a splash in most media this afternoon… wonder how faux news will handle it and when/what/how many tweets will be tweeted by the twit when he hears of it
The quality of the candidates is excellent. Just compare it to the gooper line-up of 2016
I think this should end baloney about the Democrats not having any kind of a bench.
SFB is such a huge personality, he obscures the fact the Goopers are a dying party. “Edna don’t call me Romney” “is presiding over a deathwatch and by the way she is an idiot. Only racists want to be Republicans
Just say Good Bye Joe
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/democratic-debate-2019-joe-bidens-faltering-performance-raises-big-doubts-about-his-campaign?utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_062819&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd67d6324c17c104802ad03&cndid=49213787&esrc=&utm_term=TNY_Daily
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
Watching the Biden press conference? I rest my case.
Seriously he must have the worst staff in the world — give him the hook
Just finished cutting my yard and the entrance to Kumcho’s habitat as well as the front yard of the working mom across the street–it was out of control. Fortunately, I finished blow-drying her sidewalks, driveway and frontal area then started to do the same at my house. That was when the blower’s power-head quit. I’ll try to sort it tomorrow,
Well, speaking of winners – today is huge in Women’s World Cup – US v. France (1 v. 4 matchup) . Love to see th US women do to France what Kamala did to the field last night.
OK, ladies, it’s your time to shine.
Back to you guys for tommorow’s thread post.
craig, X-R has a bun in the oven anytime you’re ready
I find myself in complete agreement w/Ms Jamie on the candidates and busing.
Harris is a formidable woman, there is no doubt of that. She ain’t my personal favorite, but damn if she isn’t better than ‘just fine’. Can she bring six or more new Dems into the Senate and flip four to six governors ? Can any of them do that ? I think Warren and Klobuchar are the best bets for that, because they have Midwestern voices and understand the longings of folks (!) in the purple, violet, and rusty red heartland, where most of the future flippers (if there are any) will come from. But, if Harris can also bring contagious joy and excitement to Midwestern women, we’ll have another historical breakthrough.
Thanks, Ms Pat. Yes, I have a small bun in the oven awaiting approval.
the hill:
A bipartisan group of freshman House lawmakers revealed Friday a Task Force Sentry that has worked behind closed doors the past two months to craft legislation to prevent foreign interference in U.S. elections.
The task force, which includes six freshman Democrats and one freshman Republican, identified five key areas of vulnerabilities in the U.S. political system they hope to address with legislation.
This includes deterring foreign aggression, mandating disclosure of receiving foreign funds, preventing foreign money from funding campaigns, defining the roles and responsibilities of social media companies as such entities seek to use their platforms, and establishing monitoring mechanisms to detect and prevent disinformation campaigns.
The task force members, who hail from a diverse range of backgrounds, quietly met with issue experts to help guide their legislation as they work to safeguard the 2020 elections.
“We believe that protecting our country from foreign adversaries should never be partisan,” Task Force Sentry members said in a joint statement.
“We come from different backgrounds, but agree it is our duty to understand and respond to threats when we see them –– and that is what we have been doing for the last eight weeks, to develop new legislation and concrete recommendations on how to prevent any foreign adversary from attempting to influence the U.S. political system again,” the statement continues.
Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.), a former CIA analyst and Pentagon official, noted in a separate statement that her state “was disproportionately targeted by Russian information warfare in 2016.”
[…]
The announcement comes shortly after House Democrats passed a bill to require election systems to use voter-verified paper ballots as part of an effort to prevent election interference.
And while the bill passed in a largely party-line vote of 225-184, it appears unlikely the GOP-controlled Senate will take up and favorably vote to advance these bills.
But few of these bills stand a chance in the face of Republican pushback against Democratic election security measures.
Senate Democrats say they are pressing Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to move forward with the legislation and either allow floor votes on election security bills or outright block the various pieces of legislation. The Kentucky lawmaker, however, has so far refused to bring about such votes on election security bills, pointing to concerns around federalizing elections.
The US women are up 1-0 at the half. Megan Rapinoe scored for the US – (Doubly sweet since she and SFB have a hate-hate relationship.)
Play has resumed. Per the stats the game is pretty close, with 6 shots on goal by FRA and now 9 by tthe US, 6 US fouls to 5 fouls for FRA, but the US seems to be better at the attempts causing FRA to have 6 saves to none for the US.
Update. At 65 minutes Megan Rapinoe scored a second goal putting the US up 2-0.
XR, methinks that we must prove that Mr Obama was not an electoral aberration. Having Ms Harris becoming president will do that. On top of that she’s a woman. I think she can win. Am I wrong in thinking that Ms Klobuchar is your favored candidate? She’s obviously mightily qualified. But, she can’t shove the race-card in Trump’s porcine face at every turn. Question: I may be wrong about all this, but, if she accepts my premise, do you think she would willingly accept vp this time around?
I skipped my brandy last night. Today, post-shower, it sure is yummy!
At 81 minutes France’s Wendie Renard scored a header narrowing the score to 2-1 US.
UPDATE!!! US wins 2-1!!! Both US goals – Megan Rapinoe. Great work. I guess you could say she’s (and the entire team is) getting the job done.
beware the fox
Pat, take it out of the oven if you like.
YYYEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAW!
I don’t even know the goddam rules… but that was one fun soccer game! The American women beat the French women in the quarterfinals 2-1!
Next up – England. That will be Tuesday at 3 p.m.
Life is good, a little hot in the DC region, but good. Women’s soccer is a blast. Good to have an international sport to cheer an American team on to victory.
This year is an election in Virginia, one which might flip the assembly to total Dem control. This going on at the same time the twenty-twenty fight is starting to ramp up.
With all the battles going on, billionaires v. the ninety-nine percent, this will drain the coffers of the national parties. We can be assured that for the most part the Dems on the coasts are going to win. The problem for Dems is covering the low population districts in the Mid-west while keeping token support in the Red States.
What it comes down to is the people donating to local Dem politicians even more this election. They need to understand that even white people are going to be sweating in the concentration camps if SFB and his cult win.
Right now I am listening to Crooked Media Pod Save America review of the “debates”. I like to listen to these podcasts occasionally to get a feel for the left view of what is going on.
Let the X-man roll ?
craig & sturge, your wish is my command. however, you’re stuck with the image on upper right ’cause I don’t know how to change it nor what to change it to in keeping with X-R’s
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So Biden’s pattern is to support somethings like abortion and desegregation in principle but not in practice.
Mr Flatus,
I’m leaning toward slightly toward Warren right now. I like her passion, but fear that she might seem like a scold. She, Klobuchar and Harris are all eminently qualified, as you put it. And, their values align with mine.
To “balance” the ticket, a Harris candidacy would best pick a running mate who projects masculine*, white, and either from a big purple-ish Midwestern or Southeastern state. A “balanced” Klobuchar or Warren ticket could be a guy from anywhere, preferably a big purple-ish state.
*Plaid shirt w/rolled up sleeves, blue jeans, cowboy boots. String tie and western tan sports jacket optional.
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