Who beats Trump? A practiced politician who has never shied away from Wall Street money, who entertains every whim of defense contractors — or a truthteller who will take a wire brush to the moneyed interests who care nothing about working people? Just like Bill destroying lives by reapeling Glass-Steagal. Talk left to your droolers, walk right to your donors.
The practiced politician for the simple reason that saints may be good role models but they often end up martyred. Sanders doesn’t help his cause by being so cranky that even those who like him would prefer not to work with him. When you add in that he only became a Democrat out of personal interest, it does make his campaign questionable. A third party would have simply been more honest for anyone not aligned with the party.
Now for the fun stuff. Sarah endorses Trump and Ari Melber nails it with quote of the day:
One of the super PACs supporting Hillary Clinton’s campaign has placed a “six-figure” ad buy in Iowa, funded by millionaires and billionaires, including a former Goldman Sachs executive who pioneered the trades that allowed the mega-bank to profit from the collapse of the housing market. I don’t dislike her but Hillary simply cannot and will not challenge the staus quo that is erasing working people from our economy.
As with Bill destroying livelihoods by repealing Glass-Steagall. Talk left for your droolers, walk right for your donors
As a lifelong Democrat, I enthusiastically support Hillary Clinton. She has been loyal to the party for decades and after a very arduous 2008 campaign, worked hard for the election of President Obama and then joined his administration.
I hope this site will not turn into an anti-Hillary platform. If it does, I will evaluate whether I want to participate in the future.
Hey Mr. Webb…
Using the blog of your communications director to fight Hillary Clinton while you watch and read in the background is a passive aggressive move worthy of any teenager. The headline of this post says “Electability”. I’m surprised that Donald Trump has lasted this long in the race. Is he electable… at this point I have to say “I don’t know”. Do I believe you would fight for the middle class… well… probably only until the job of president pissed you off and then you’d do what you’ve done in the past when something doesn’t go your way or makes you uncomfortable…. you’d quit. You will not be getting my vote.
BTW… I do agree with you about Bill Clinton and repealing Glass Steagall. I do wish Hillary would address this.
Oregon, I have no intention of letting this site become anti-Hillary but I am deeply concerned that the Democratic Party has turned its back on working people in favor of their rich friends, which means they would simply have no voice in our national government at all, as they have not had for years. This should not be an election about the people who are running but about the people who are voting, or those who might not vote because they have no one speaking for them.
Enough lip service in election years.
Feel the Bern! Hillary reeks of status quo, but the voters want real change! Both parties are screaming for it. Hillary and Jeb are not the flavor of this campaign season. It’s Bernie, baby!
Webb would really need to define himself as an outsider, not beholden to the 1% who run the show. For me, that would include embracing green energy and new tech instead of coal and oil.
*Like Arthur Fonzerelli before him, Trump has jumped the shark by chumming (pun intended) up to the ex-half-governor of Alaska. I can only imagine that she is trying to glom onto The Donald because her own quasi-political career has lost its shine. Can you shine a turd? We shall see.
Oregon Democrat,
I have watched my TL on social media separate into two sides these past few months: I’m With Her vs Feel The Bern. It’s sad when I read comments about various candidates that get someone torn down or blocked, simply for expressing an opinion. What are people afraid of? Goodness, what is said/written about candidates today is nothing compared to what Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Cleveland etc. etc. etc. were smeared with. Imagine what Thomas Nast could do.
Every Candidate has something that concerns someone. Discourse fuels Democracy. Sometimes it’s annoying, upsetting or silly, but all has its’ place. Please don’t leave over anyone’s opinion. Voice yours because it is important.
If Hillary told Wall Street to get the hell out of her campaign I’d be first in line to support her.
But I fear she and Bill, and Chelsea, have become addicted to their private jets and limousines.
Also, why doesn’t Hillary support a minimum wage of $15 like Bernie & O’Malley? In the debate she would only say raise it however much and wherever you can. So far, I’ve only read that she thinks it should be $12/hour. How many women are her low expectations hurting? Let’s not forget that she was a Wal-Mart attorney, either.Heck, I even like O’Malley better than Hillary now.
Doesn’t Chelsea’s husband run a Goldman Sachs-supported hedge fund or something?
What’s that old Yankee saying? I never vote. It just encourages them.
The older I get, the more I get it.
Every four years we go through all sorts of support, jeering and tear downs. I will take on any Republican for their actions. Dems deserve what they get if they do not support Democratic principles. We can thank the Republican SCoUS for the idiotic decisions to say those with the most money have the most “voice”. Citizens has been the most vile decision allowing the billionaires to take over US politics.
Anyone running for any office needs lots of money. How they get it can be obscene and disgusting, but get it they must. Word of mouth is not a good way to win, especially at the presidential level. It is how they act afterwards.
I am not going to attack HRC, Bernie, O’Malley, or any Dem right now. Even though many of the actions of Bill hurt many, and a few me in particular, that was many years ago. HRC has learned, and I like her time in the Senate. She did her time. Bernie is serving his time. O’Malley is bringing a governors view, and youth (or at least younger) thinking. Which one for me? I do not know. I will know when we get together in April.
I do know who I would never support, any R
“If you can’t eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them you’ve got no business being up here.” Jesse Unruh.
Bernie, Hillary, or whomever. If they aren’t on the eradicate fossil fuels, clean energy, totally green band wagon, they are useless to me. As for family marital associations, anyone who doesn’t know that rich people marry other rich people and occasionally allow in a successful upstart, they are delusional.
Hillary has by law no control over Super Pacs. That may be a total fiction, but true or not, she can’t say anything publicly. For everything else you might want to know:
HILLARY ON THE ISSUES
SANDERS ON THE ISSUES
O’MALLEY ON THE ISSUES
WEBB ON THE ISSUES
This past week on Bill Maher’s HBO show 2 of his guests were having a spirited conversation on Jesus. One was Cornel West… the other was Ralph Reed. After much agreeing on the value of religion, West said he was in favor of Bernie. Reed quietly told him that he too wants Bernie to be the Democratic nominee. I don’t doubt that… I’m sure the GOP is chomping at the bit to paint the Democratic nominee as socialist as possible. Bernie would be like a gift from God to them, IMO.
And while Palin endorses Trump, the family lives up to its reputation: Track Palin arrested for domestic violence
Hey, every think you are hearing ghosts? Well. Sometimes they appear. I was just scrolling through a website and there was an article about Herman Cain stating Black Women are going Republican for Trump. For everything this poor soul has, I thought the guy was dead. Long dead.
But, no. He is alive and still touting Republican BS. He is in a long line of Black people thinking the white supremacists actually care about them. Herman, Michael Steele, Ben Car…something or other like that. And, many local politicians.
To have ol’ Herman still around makes life good. I guess, because I cannot remember much about him anyway. Just another Black man tossed under the bus by the Republicans.
It does take a lot of money to run, but does Bernie have a super-pac?
Hillary has a lot of billionaires backing her to ensure they have a candidate who will do their bidding…or actually, just not upset their solid-gold, apple cart.
I do think Webb has the makings of a great SOS. But Prez? If he still supports coal and oil, he supports the status quo, too.
*Do people still like the ex-half-gov? Does she actually help Trump, or, is this gonna help Cruz? Again, I am far more afraid of a WH with him in it, than Trump. No matter what folks seem to hear from him (just put on your hyperbole-filter), I think Trump’s intent is to build up the US, again.
Bernie is the Dem that can stand up to Trump in a debate. Feel the Bern!
Bernie is actually better for women than Hillary. In 2008, I thought she was the best candidate. I no longer think that after seeing her performance as SOS, and, hearing what she has to say. I want the best person to win and this time, it’s not a woman.
And then Alan Keyes is still around scraping in speaking fee funds from the true believers
Loyal To Liberty
Having dealt with him back in the 1990s and his habit of scamming right wing groups for plane flights and hotel expenses at exorbitant rates, I keep wondering why the grey haired little old ladies keep falling for the scam.
HOT MESS ENDORSES
Once more the word salad has been served.
More from the same article
Republicans are feeling the Bern too.
LOL
Jack
Sad fact is there are only 2 Democrats running who have a chance of beating the Republican nominee and Bernie Sanders ain’t one of them. So If you really don’t want HRC or a Republican then you and a few million of your friends need to pull O’Malley up off the floor. Given the backing of the Democratic party he could become president.
Jack
I hate the Clinton bashing…I can tell you that although the Clintons may be rich and getting richer all the time, they have done a world of good for many. I can’t say the same about the repugs…and if they have all of the money how is a poor human going to become POTUS? The Clinton Foundation does a lot of great work domestically and the University of Pittsburgh, my alma mater, has benefited greatly in working with them.
We are getting like Russia where only the billionaires run things…Trump wanted revenge on the repugs because they dissed his debate in December 2011. He has been getting even ever since because he has the money. He gets free press and does everything on the cheap. He has made of sham of the political system and the punditry that feeds off of it. It is all about the money and here we are bashing our only hope to keep the Democrats in power. I hate seeing it and watching it.
(BTW, great to see everyone and thanks to Jamie for holding everyone together.)
Thoroughly enjoyed O’Malley whenever he actually got a chance to speak during the debate.
BW
Remember who we are
Craig, the first rule of this election is that no candidate who with an eye towards the working class has a true shot at the White House. I know everyone is feeling the Bern but I’m not seeing it.
The working class has been beset by such voter apathy that they deserve the shaft they have gotten from the 1%. I don’t understand how a group can constantly vote against their best interests but they do and so I have no sympathy for them
The best news of this cycle is that their isn’t a candidate cheating on his cancer stricken wife in the field…in either party…that must be a first
Fifteen minute span while listening to the morning news on the local NBC television station gives a lot of information about how spin is done. First sound bite, the news is not about anything longer than one or two short sentences, was something about high level security documents found on HRC home computer and “. . . it may affect her campaign”. Written like an RNC bullet point.
Second sound bite was four sentences and was about Palin endorsing Trump and how she is conservative and adds “conservative” to the loud mouths creds. And, “. . . will it be enough to be enough to give Trump the nomination?” Spoken like from a Trump PR.
Alternating days between BENGHAZI and hard drive is sad. That HRC is continuing to not go off the chart says a lot about her support and how little the so called news is listened to now.
jack, you were really on a roll last night. indeed, those goper dog whistles are rounding up their pack of pseudo pumas for another dembat party destruction.
love the lab rat cartoon.
Oh man, was stuck on the last thread last night and boy i’m glad i was!!
After reading Craig and a lot of the comments i fear it’s gonna become 2007/08 again here and i’m not interested in repeating that..
I’ll check back after the Dem primary is over..
tony, don’t leave us now! it’s not even in the 2nd half or the 3rd qtr or the 7th inning. much more fun to come.
repost from last thread after the gang abandoned tony and me and struck out on a new path (altho’ this path seems 2008 familiar)
off the subject, but the oscar boycott called for by many has me wondering will the black actors who’ve won oscars in the past be expected to give them up in protest (a la marlon brando) or will just boycotting and not showing up be sufficient?
looking at a list in wiki recent (relatively speaking) recipients in the best and supporting roles that this may effect are lupita nyong’o, octavia spencer, jennifer hudson, morgan freeman, cuba gooding, denzel washington, halle berry, forest whitaker among others.
I don’t understand how the ex-half-gov helps Trumpet, except that she makes him sound calm and rational. He looks better by standing next to the ugly person (on the inside) in the room.
Maybe this helps him with evangelical, deer-hunters. I think it would hurt him with Independents.
I understand why she glommed on the Trump. She loves the spotlight. She trotted out her greatest hits like, “drill baby drill.”
This may actually be good for Hillary. (Tony, can you hear me??)
renee, will what’s reported in wapo this morning come your way too and is rick waxing up his skis and chomping at the bit?
“Computer models that came in between 9 p.m. and midnight forecast very substantial to historic snowfall amounts for the D.C. area Friday into Saturday night or Sunday morning.
The models suggest snow is most likely to begin between late morning and early afternoon Friday although a late afternoon onset isn’t out of the question.
Snow is likely to be steady and heavy at times by Friday evening, continuing overnight and into Saturday. Models differ on how long the snow will last, ranging from Saturday evening to Sunday morning.
Accumulations shown by all models are very substantial, as high as 30 inches in some cases….”
blueid, would you say half-gov is now a strumpet for trumpet?
tony, did you see this bernie-hill repartee reported by cnn
“And so I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund, in Planned Parenthood,” Sanders continued. “But you know what, Hillary Clinton has been around there for a very, very long time and some of these groups are, in fact, part of the establishment.”
“Look, I’m going to do well and hopefully not win because of establishment support.”
Clinton called out Sanders on Twitter, signing a tweet with her initial meaning it came from her and not campaign staff.
“Really Senator Sanders?” Clinton tweeted, citing the Twitter handles for Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign. “How can you say that groups like @PPact and @HRC are part of the ‘establishment’ you’re taking on? –H.”
tony, another one to make you smile re Flint and Hillary:
Dr. Karen Weaver, the mayor of Flint, Michigan, made a surprise announcement on a Tuesday morning call with reporters originally organized to provide updates on the city’s lead contamination crisis. While thanking both former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) for calling attention to the city’s water woes during Sunday’s debate, Weaver said Clinton’s response went above and beyond.
“Hillary Clinton was the only candidate, Democrat or Republican to reach out to us and ask, ‘What do you need?’” Weaver said. “We want a friend like Hillary in the White House.”
When a reporter remarked, “It sounds like you’re endorsing her for president,” Weaver confirmed.
“It does sound like I’m endorsing her for president,” she said. “I want Hillary. When you have someone stepping out and supporting us like that, we want to do the same for her, step out and support her.”
Right now, I’d just be satisfied with us not electing a crazy person. Especially one who was endorsed by a crazier person.
Tony
Pls don’t do a timeout on us, we need you here. Today, everyday.
Flatus
patd… been watching the weather and, so far, all the computer models have that storm coming as far north as Massachusetts… with Cape Cod getting the heaviest amounts of snow. Yeah… Rick is chomping at the bit to get skiing… has only been once. But he needs to get rid of his awful cold first.
Who is affected more when it’s cold? Poor people. Who is affected more when it’s hot? Poor people. Who is affected more when it’s wet? Poor people. Who is most affected when the economy is bad? Poor people. Poor people are the most fragile.
Russel Honore
This is campaign season. I expect a certain amount of back and forth and give and take concerning the candidates. If this blog became a love fest for only one candidate… no matter who it was… I’d get bored with it fast. What I’m hoping is that we don’t have a repeat of all the name calling of fellow bloggers that went on during the 07/08 season.
Craig… I’m sure it was unintentional on your part… but the line “talk left to your droolers, walk right to your donors” could easily be construed as you calling some here “droolers”. I hope this trend doesn’t continue.
renee, guess it’s that time in the game for a little trash and smack talk. let’s hope it doesn’t get outta hand.
whoever wins on whatever side becomes president for all of us…. sad for us if that person has been so trashed nothing said will be respected or even listened to.
only in a church can a flat tasteless cracker become someone’s savior
trash and smack
yes Renee, unintentional for sure
dang, I wish I could find a Reply button that works. miss that a lot
I would not put any stock in any poll, even Nate Silver’s predictions, this year. Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders’ supporters are not noted for voting. If their supporters actually go to caucuses and vote in primaries; that could skew the voting for them because of their large numbers. I do not believe these supporters are considered or counted correctly by all of the pollsters as they have no history. We will see in about two weeks.
On a different subject:
Jack
Sounds like a reasonable approach that recognizes their Second Amendment rights. The only sensible alternative would be for the governor to activate a battalion of National Guard MPs, the established non-federal militia, and have them ‘restore’ order. In either case, everyone’s constitutional rights are protected.
Banking problems in the oil patch
Jack
jack, re the bundy bunch, here’s a good letter to the editor from “Award-winning author Ursula K. Le Guin has lived in Oregon for more than half a century, and has regularly visited the region surrounding the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge for 45 years”
The Oregonian’s A1 headline on Sunday, Jan. 17, “Effort to free federal lands,” is inaccurate and irresponsible. The article that follows it is a mere mouthpiece for the scofflaws illegally occupying public buildings and land, repeating their lies and distortions of history and law.
Ammon Bundy and his bullyboys aren’t trying to free federal lands, but to hold them hostage. I can’t go to the Malheur refuge now, though as a citizen of the United States, I own it and have the freedom of it. That’s what public land is: land that belongs to the public — me, you, every law-abiding American. The people it doesn’t belong to and who don’t belong there are those who grabbed it by force of arms, flaunting their contempt for the local citizens.
Those citizens of Harney County have carefully hammered out agreements to manage the refuge in the best interest of landowners, scientists, visitors, tourists, livestock and wildlife. They’re suffering more every day, economically and otherwise, from this invasion by outsiders.
Instead of parroting the meaningless rants of a flock of Right-Winged Loonybirds infesting the refuge, why doesn’t The Oregonian talk to the people who live there?
Ursula K. Le Guin
really liked her phrase:
parroting the meaningless rants of a flock of Right-Winged Loonybirds
speaking of nate silver….
the bernie bump is it real? asks the FiveThirtyEight politics team
nate opines:
As far as forecasting the severity of the shitstorm, I’m of two minds. On the one hand, the media will absolutely eat up the story of the “inevitable” Clinton losing Iowa to a septuagenarian self-described socialist. On the other hand, Clinton’s media coverage is always something of a shitstorm.
could someone email tony? please tell him the trail has not gone to the darkside, that inclusivity (as well as civility hopefully) is still the trail brand and that we mixers/mixed-upers would hate to lose his input.
Yes, I hope Tony comes back. We are not like a two-sided coin here; we are like a multi-faceted diamond. Even folks who like the same candidate probably like them for different reasons.
PatD – To refer to the ex-half-gov as a “strumpet” would do a disservice to strumpets everywhere.
I laughed at the sub-text to Trump’a response to the question of possibly naming her as his running mate. He tried the old, Jedi trick: I don’t think she wants that/this is not the droid you’re looking for. But what I heard was him trying to make sure half-baked Alaska didn’t get any wild ideas about being veep. (Like she doesn’t already have that idea. Heck, she’s probably shopping for drapes for the OO in case she has to step up.)
The Berne–Septuagenarian Socialist. And he still hasn’t made his mark? Marx was all finished, really finished, at age 64.
Yo… Tony… OD…
Hillary is one tough cookie. The stuff being said here is child’s play for her. The Republicans have been trashing her for years… yet she just keeps on going. You support her… stand up and say so!
patd… if he doesn’t show back up here in couple of days.. I’ll go harass him over on his Facebook page. 🙂
RebelliousRenee,
You are correct [insert any subject here]. I hope people are passionate about who they support: the eventual winner will be the most powerful person in the world. Yeah, that matters 🙂
Tony, I’ve always enjoyed your Posts. Secretary Clinton is lucky to have you as a supporter.
Yesterday a volunteer for Dr. Carson died in a car accident. This young man was out working for a person he believed in. Whether one supports Dr. Carson or not is moot. What matters is that this young man got off his butt & was doing something that he believed in. I read many messages of condolence sent to the Carson Campaign from fellow Republicans, from Democrats, even from Media members. No rancor, no “sides”, just doing the decent thing.
sjwny…
the death of a young person is always so sad. Sending love and light to his family.
I have found it amazing to see the over the top anti-female comments made about Sarah Palin around the web by Hillary supporters (not here). Such hypocrisy.
yep that is the Democratic lefties for you or have you forgotten 2008.
Now that things are back to normal over at Jamie’s Place we are talking this year’s movies if anyone wants to drop in and relate your favorites of 2015
The worst I’ve said about her is that Sarah serves tossed word salad. She actually scares me because of the people who follow her.
jack’s retort “that is the democratic lefties for you” to craig’s observation of anti-female comments by hillary supporters reminded me of the many times over the years on a personal level how tolerant, kind and open to listening to the other side my republicans friends were compared to my democratic friends…. always surprised me how illiberal liberals could be.
perhaps I should apologize for referring to a certain female politician as a “strumpet” since
selling oneself for money or political office is a gender neutral activity applying to all politicians at some level
Pat, I think Philistine is gender neutral. It is also the Free Dictionary word of the day.
flatus, good word
can’t help but think that clip from the colbert show is a hoax…. just has to be a tina fey routine. can’t be for real.
very lively opinion of the brattleboro reformer on the endorsement including a tho’t provoking quote from ralph reed: “Palin’s embrace of Trump may turn the fight over the evangelical vote into a war for the soul of the party.”
The poor woman is struggling in an effort to become meaningful. To that end, she needs to go home and give her poor demented veteran son a spanking accompanied by the lecture neither of which he’ll ever forget. And every time she says Obama made him do it, she should be forced to look herself in a mirror.
renee, do new hampshirites read and pay attention to their neighbor in vermont, the brattleboro reformer? wonder if this oped is an effort to sway your votes…. and would it?
Just a This Date in History mention….
Five years ago Keith Olbermann left msnbc. Whatever your feelings about the gentleman, he did present the best hour of cable TV nightly. Thought provoking Commentary, interesting, eclectic guests. What gets lost in the hubbub is the fact that he talked about / gave platform to humane causes regularly. The words brought the viewers in; the actions opened a window on the man himself. Whatever the next chapter of his life brings, may it be happy, healthy & contented.
Craig, I found her ref to Obama’s “mom jeans” to be anti – female, as well. She wasn’t talking about style, she was insinuating that manliness is required to be a good is prez. Not true. I’d say she has some balls to say that, but she just has a big ego that hasn’t been fed in awhile. She’s just”hangry.”NEW THREAD