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And the miserable Mr. Trump kicks it off with a Presentation of : accusers Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick & Kathleen Wiley. Also Kathy Shelton the victim in the rape case where Hillary was assigned to defend her attacker and got him acquitted.
Wonder if that’s just to rattle HRC, Jamie, or if he’ll really get into it during debate?
he is trying to rattle Clinton, but has spent all day warming-up. If he is losing, he will burn down the debate hall…never quit, never surrender and stay loyal to his basket…he can’t win, but he can ruin it all…he did it in the primary and the repugs have set corpse trump upon us all…never was presidential material. repugs are doomed.
The ladies surrounding Hillary are mass tweeting the slogan: When they go low. We go why.
Let Trump rage and play the fool. She will try to stick to the important issues, not her husband’s peccadillos from two decades ago.
BTW, the one woman not on the stage with Trump: Monica Lewinsky. I’m really starting to like that lady.
No Gennifer either..only women who have charged rape
And who have been used/paid by the right wing for decades.
BTW, this is the “Threat” Broaddrick says came from Hillary.
Hillary’s response to events leading up to debate
“We’re not surprised to see Donald Trump continue his destructive race to the bottom,” Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri said in a statement. “Hillary Clinton understands the opportunity in this town hall is to talk to voters on stage and in the audience about the issues that matter to them, and this stunt doesn’t change that. If Donald Trump doesn’t see that, that’s his loss. As always, she’s prepared to handle whatever Donald Trump throws her way.”
this may be his last debate
accusers Trump assembled are sitting in the audience
No Chelsea?
There she is. Walked in later, Trump kids came in with Melanamo
Chelsea is sitting next to Bill and her husband…
What channel is everyone watching? I’ll try to at least read what’s posted but might not be able to keep up :/
FACT CHECK: In a survey of 18,000 Canadians, only 20 said they went to the United States expressly for health care, or less than .1%
It looked like he was twerking the back of his chair Craig!!!
Extreme vetting. That has a nice ring to it. Especially if you are a fascist.
I unmuted Don…what a moron…
Is this 90 minutes tonight…
Athletes coming on Twitter saying, “That is NOT locker room talk.”
He is now glaring at her back!
corey I was hoping many teams would come out and say that.
Hey OD
Oh yes, here.. Trump is continuing his know nothing ways.. Nothing on health-care and everything is a disaster..
The ones I’ve read posting about it are football players.
He is apparently loving the Bernie Sanders quote ” she had very bad judgment”
When he gets near her…..she should say over and over that he is in a no fly zone……..
Chelsea Handler tweeted: Locker room talk? You’re not on a team.
Oh this is good. The Wikileaks excerpt turns out to be a commentary on the movie Lincoln.
sniff snif
Yes you can have a private position and a public position. You can be against abortion privately and still support a woman’s right to choose. Politicians have been doing it for years, End of story.
Chelsea Handler is very funny…
In response to the question on how we make sure the wealthiest pay their fair share of taxes, he is going to lower the rate to 15%. Did he even understand the question??
talk about your plan Hillary
The sniff is horrible on radio. Kind of like the Nixon sweat in 1960.
it’s about time for a bathroom break
Yes, Trump takes no responsibility.. It’s always she does it or her friends or donors.. An awful man.. Dont belive him he payed millions in taxes..
Does he think he is going to win over Sanders supporters by invoking his name so many times??
Anderson and Martha need to cut him off when he wanders so fucking far from the question topic.
HRC, perfect on her 30 years.. My niece is a loving example of HRCs work to get children heath insurance
What a sneering ass Trump is…
Donald on Syria. Does he even know where it is?
Jace
Only if someone points it out on a map
ISIS is now being killed by three countries including Russia. Boy they must be tough.
pence and trump not speaking? snort
Pence now has an out to resign from the ticket…
Rump has no freaking idea what he is talking about.
he is a child…snort
Jace, no. He doesn’t. He disagrees with Pence on the issue. She’s repeated the question and he still won’t answer it. He has no answer.
Martha Radditz just doling out the rope for Trump the more he rambles down rat holes
could you see this guy addressing the UN?
She advocates a no fly zone, opposes boots on the ground to hold territory. She’d target Bagdadi (sp?).
Fucking baby – wah, wah.
president for all people but Hillary.
In response to Can you be the president to all the people, he says “she lies”.
…inner cities…Of course the DJTF has focused on that inner city problem, right?
This is a great night for Hillary and America…
For all the people? Well, except hispanics, Muslims, women, …
did you notice that Trump keeps protecting his crotch
personal story….good job about mentioning trump fear…it is real here in New Mexico.
Since the real issues discussion became useless, back to the stupid stuff — to recap, Trump’s only ideas for handling his predator tape was to dismiss it as “locker room talk” and try to change the subject to Bill Clinton’s past. Billy Bush got fired for this, so should Trump.
she got out of the basket
he answered the question…in his usual undisciplined response
Mike Pence must be in a fetal position under his bed right now.
Craig
Jerry Springer tweeted an invitation to Pence & Trump to talk it over on his show.
HRC, good answer on the supreme court.
Beautifully reviewed??
Craig…I think Pence could enhance his future if he resigned from the ticket Monday morning…
I agree, jace
Hillary Court answer best of the night…
Fact checkers will be overworked tonight.
game , set, match. HRC
sniffsniff
Clean coal. Save me.
Chinese steel is killing this country??? Didn’t Trump buy only Chinese steel for all his buildings??
Trump Dumped
She is doing well on energy.
Great final question!
Donald hate to see you go down the tubes but bye bye
she did a good job mentioning his family…he is proud of them
Well I’ll say it again, Don’t go away mad Donald, just go away.
With that I’ll cash out, had a full day of debris removal here at Southern Command. Nite all.
Thanks Craig for having this tonight…
I am glad you were able to get to Orlando, Craig.
WaPo’s fact checkers found more than a few falsehoods from donald. Imagine.
Did I see this correctly? He kissed his daughter Ivanka on the lips, he kissed Melanie his wife on the cheek, and he neither kssed nor hugged his daughter Tiffany???
Hillary did well.. Trump is a bully and a horrible person.. Not a commander in chief make.. Loser Trump
mj….yep, that is his usual.
Hillary, not brilliant but effective. Trump, the melt down continues.
Omg, Craig, same here, all day debree removal.. Shutters put away.. Bougainvillea reset.. Hopefully it makes it.. Pool area tomorrow..
Thoughts on the debate.
If Donald Trump had prepared for the first debate as well as he prepped for this one he might still have a slim chance.
However He wasn’t the only one who upped their game. IMO Clinton had a great debate and blew him out of the water. She channelled her anger so well.
Jack
Funny thing, the only question he actually answered without going off into the twilight zone, was about what he respected about Hillary! Something to ponder. Good night all, I’ll check back in the morning.
Martha tried her damnedest to keep Trump on topic. Was Anderson Cooper even there?
Goodnight everyone…
Trump’s right about one thing: we’re all losers.
Chris Mathews kissing Kelley Ann Condoms butt disgusting she is not a good person she is a liar and disgusting
Back-reading the thread, a partisan lens may obscure the fact that Trump “won” this debate, applying the ridiculous but frequently applied standard of efficacy of slander and emotional appeal.
No! Trump did not win. He was disgusting to the point of needing to take a shower after he was done. It was a shameful display from the outset and did not improve with the passage of time. He was obnoxious and disingenuous throughout and that when he was on he was on his A game. the rest of the time he was nothing but an uninformed boor. If disgrace is a qualification for office , Trump has it in spades.
When a candidate has to request you go to a website instead of telling you in the moment, that’s not a win. He succeeded in damaging Clinton, and considering he is headed for electoral defeat, that is as close to a win as he can get. Clinton had no good responses to any of his attacks. You hear what you want- no skin off my teeth.
an avalanche of lies how Hillary described Trump’s performance but Tweety who had his face buried in the Condom’s butt didn’t notice
when you live in 1950’s america like trump world you don’t understand a lot about the world today
CNN…Hillary wins 57-34…
The three actual polls taken following the debate, politico, CNN & there was one other, of registered or likely voters all had Clinton winning. And Bink, 2 minute answers don’t provide enough time to delve into details, especially to debunk lies about complex issues like tax plans. Trump will have pleased his base, but I doubt he won over any educated suburban women with his bullying.
Signing off.
trump was a dead man walking before the debate and nothing changed
If I’m wrong, good.
Have a good week, all.
Trump lost it in the first 30 seconds IMO when he ducked the tough one, I’m not sure there is an acceptable answer. If I were him I would blame Billy Bush for egging him on then say he was playing a role at the time and his comments got out of hand. Then say, ” yes they were extremely offensive and I apologize.”
Something like that would have stopped it
As it was he ducked the question and did his best to never answer it.
Clinton only had one stumble and Trump pounced on it when she used Lincoln as a defence. There was a practical explanation that would have played to experience and serving the people but she didn’t use it. After all, politicians often have public and private views because they are representatives and often their beliefs and the beliefs of the people they represent aren’t the same. They aren’t dictators that get to go with what they want all the time.
Trump wins, give me a break. He can’t even convince the deplorables anymore.
The deadbeat applied a tourniquet to his political wounds, but he may not be finished bleeding. His first 20 minutes were disastrous. In his apology he was dismissive and insincere. Boasting that he grabbed women’s pudenda and mammae and that he attempted to seduce a married woman – behind Melania’s back – is not something to dismiss. It makes the deadbeat comparable to the bill Clinton that the repubs claim to despise.
Meanwhile, Ms Clinton looked and sounded like the victor. However she passed on many opportunities to ruin him. His claim that she never did anything about health care was such a YUUUUUJ whopper that she could have humiliated him. What about the enormous effort to create Clinton Care and get the Congress to pass it. What about SCHIP ? Also, she could have continued talking about the deadbeat’s admitted criminal sexual conduct, forcing him to lie that he was just telling dirty stories/lies to impress bill bush.
Clinton could also have reminded us that k-daffy supported rebel and terrorist groups that killed tens of thousands of bystanders in Sub Saharan Africa and Algeria. Anywhat, the noxious deadbeat got off easy.
Basically Clinton won because he and she both need a certain group of women to win. Clinton spoke to those women Trump didn’t.
End of game.
Jack
I agree, Jack. However, trump did slow the rate of his decay. Some women will believe his ‘apology’.
And the miserable Mr. Trump kicks it off with a Presentation of : accusers Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick & Kathleen Wiley. Also Kathy Shelton the victim in the rape case where Hillary was assigned to defend her attacker and got him acquitted.
Wonder if that’s just to rattle HRC, Jamie, or if he’ll really get into it during debate?
he is trying to rattle Clinton, but has spent all day warming-up. If he is losing, he will burn down the debate hall…never quit, never surrender and stay loyal to his basket…he can’t win, but he can ruin it all…he did it in the primary and the repugs have set corpse trump upon us all…never was presidential material. repugs are doomed.
The ladies surrounding Hillary are mass tweeting the slogan: When they go low. We go why.
Let Trump rage and play the fool. She will try to stick to the important issues, not her husband’s peccadillos from two decades ago.
BTW, the one woman not on the stage with Trump: Monica Lewinsky. I’m really starting to like that lady.
No Gennifer either..only women who have charged rape
And who have been used/paid by the right wing for decades.
BTW, this is the “Threat” Broaddrick says came from Hillary.
Hillary’s response to events leading up to debate
this may be his last debate
accusers Trump assembled are sitting in the audience
No Chelsea?
There she is. Walked in later, Trump kids came in with Melanamo
Chelsea is sitting next to Bill and her husband…
What channel is everyone watching? I’ll try to at least read what’s posted but might not be able to keep up :/
WAPO doing real time fact checking:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-2nd-2016-presidential-debate/?tid=sm_tw
I’m watching CNN
Trump kids look like they’re attending a state funeral
Granny
Preshow have been switching back and forth CNN MSNBC
After debate will do the same for commentary
trump is scum
I’ve decided to watch Sky News again. No talking heads, no panning cameras, no distractions.
No handshake! Just head nods
Trump’s tie is too long
Hillary looks great. I am glad she didn’t shake the creep’s hand…
Tired of watching bad streaming, is this thing on NPR?
he is not answering her question
he snorted again
can’t say as i blame her for not shaking hands- granny cnn, tony too.
calling it “locker room talk” an insult to athletes everywhere
Trying to change the subject bad move in this case
the sniff is back
HRC gets out the velvet meat axe
she is trying to get under his skin
I hear there are more tapes of him with racist banter
Here’s the test, whether he can control himself after this barrage
he has the same bad mic….he should have gotten one from access america
sniff sniff
Great answer Hillary…I must admit at this point I have Don muted…keep me posted…
going to Bill Clinton town, almost thought he was going to resist
burning down the house
Hillary has a chance to peel the onion.
debate commission cannot be happy with the circus
Moderators choose order of questions, and they’ve made sure with their follow-ups this is how the debate began, on these topics
he thinks he is at a hannity townhall
Trump came un-hinged within first 20 minutes
Now to the real issues I hope…
he is falling apart….snort
Is Trump on Cocaine again?
Listening on radio is Trump deranged ?
yep, a circus
I just heard one of my neighbors scream…my God he is crazy…
Jace
YES
Best for HRC to stay of these weeds, enough said about emails
I imagine listening on the radio you can hear the crazy in Trump. On TV you can see it!,
Oh Hillary, do not let him suck you into his craziness
Sorry, been on the phone with Time Warner. Idiots. Trump’s saying it like it’s true.
Honest to god. What a fatuous ass. Gentleman…? Right. My mom would warn him he’s not too old to be spanked.
she got out of the pool-pah
he is approaching the Rick Lazio personal space invasion, which turned off NY senate debate audience
Of course, no specifics about health care from the man who knows nothing about health care.
Come on Donald. At the last debate we were only 15 trillion in debt. Now it’s 20?
It’s a fool’s errand to ask HRC about health care. She knows too much about it.
his body language and facial expressions beyond disrespectful — expecting sptiballs next
Where was the competition before Obamacare?
He makes it up as he goes along.
He’s trying to shadow her with his greater height … practically stalking her.
Block Grants. The republican cure all for everything.
Don shoUld sit down when she is speaking…he looks like the Incredible Hulk…
Trump says Islam a phobia is a shame????
that sniff surely tops Gore’s sigh
Tony…are you out there…
yep MJ, he means it’s a “shame” they live here at all
Jace, the only competition before was offering low rates for scant coverage. That’s all there was – if you didn’t have a pre-existing condition.
So the modern architect of islamaphobia chimes in.
he insulted that woman
geez, he’s grabbing the back of his chair — he’s gonna bash her head in!
he is unraveling
Moderators are trying their best to make him answer
5 minutes ago
FACT CHECK: In a survey of 18,000 Canadians, only 20 said they went to the United States expressly for health care, or less than .1%
It looked like he was twerking the back of his chair Craig!!!
Extreme vetting. That has a nice ring to it. Especially if you are a fascist.
I unmuted Don…what a moron…
Is this 90 minutes tonight…
Athletes coming on Twitter saying, “That is NOT locker room talk.”
He is now glaring at her back!
corey I was hoping many teams would come out and say that.
Hey OD
Oh yes, here.. Trump is continuing his know nothing ways.. Nothing on health-care and everything is a disaster..
The ones I’ve read posting about it are football players.
He is apparently loving the Bernie Sanders quote ” she had very bad judgment”
When he gets near her…..she should say over and over that he is in a no fly zone……..
Chelsea Handler tweeted: Locker room talk? You’re not on a team.
Oh this is good. The Wikileaks excerpt turns out to be a commentary on the movie Lincoln.
sniff snif
Yes you can have a private position and a public position. You can be against abortion privately and still support a woman’s right to choose. Politicians have been doing it for years, End of story.
Chelsea Handler is very funny…
In response to the question on how we make sure the wealthiest pay their fair share of taxes, he is going to lower the rate to 15%. Did he even understand the question??
talk about your plan Hillary
The sniff is horrible on radio. Kind of like the Nixon sweat in 1960.
it’s about time for a bathroom break
Yes, Trump takes no responsibility.. It’s always she does it or her friends or donors.. An awful man.. Dont belive him he payed millions in taxes..
Does he think he is going to win over Sanders supporters by invoking his name so many times??
Anderson and Martha need to cut him off when he wanders so fucking far from the question topic.
HRC, perfect on her 30 years.. My niece is a loving example of HRCs work to get children heath insurance
What a sneering ass Trump is…
Donald on Syria. Does he even know where it is?
Jace
Only if someone points it out on a map
ISIS is now being killed by three countries including Russia. Boy they must be tough.
pence and trump not speaking? snort
Pence now has an out to resign from the ticket…
Rump has no freaking idea what he is talking about.
he is a child…snort
Jace, no. He doesn’t. He disagrees with Pence on the issue. She’s repeated the question and he still won’t answer it. He has no answer.
Martha Radditz just doling out the rope for Trump the more he rambles down rat holes
could you see this guy addressing the UN?
She advocates a no fly zone, opposes boots on the ground to hold territory. She’d target Bagdadi (sp?).
Fucking baby – wah, wah.
president for all people but Hillary.
In response to Can you be the president to all the people, he says “she lies”.
…inner cities…Of course the DJTF has focused on that inner city problem, right?
This is a great night for Hillary and America…
For all the people? Well, except hispanics, Muslims, women, …
did you notice that Trump keeps protecting his crotch
personal story….good job about mentioning trump fear…it is real here in New Mexico.
Since the real issues discussion became useless, back to the stupid stuff — to recap, Trump’s only ideas for handling his predator tape was to dismiss it as “locker room talk” and try to change the subject to Bill Clinton’s past. Billy Bush got fired for this, so should Trump.
she got out of the basket
he answered the question…in his usual undisciplined response
Mike Pence must be in a fetal position under his bed right now.
Craig
Jerry Springer tweeted an invitation to Pence & Trump to talk it over on his show.
HRC, good answer on the supreme court.
Beautifully reviewed??
Craig…I think Pence could enhance his future if he resigned from the ticket Monday morning…
I agree, jace
Hillary Court answer best of the night…
Fact checkers will be overworked tonight.
game , set, match. HRC
sniffsniff
Clean coal. Save me.
Chinese steel is killing this country??? Didn’t Trump buy only Chinese steel for all his buildings??
Trump Dumped
She is doing well on energy.
Great final question!
Donald hate to see you go down the tubes but bye bye
she did a good job mentioning his family…he is proud of them
Well I’ll say it again, Don’t go away mad Donald, just go away.
With that I’ll cash out, had a full day of debris removal here at Southern Command. Nite all.
Thanks Craig for having this tonight…
I am glad you were able to get to Orlando, Craig.
WaPo’s fact checkers found more than a few falsehoods from donald. Imagine.
Did I see this correctly? He kissed his daughter Ivanka on the lips, he kissed Melanie his wife on the cheek, and he neither kssed nor hugged his daughter Tiffany???
Hillary did well.. Trump is a bully and a horrible person.. Not a commander in chief make.. Loser Trump
mj….yep, that is his usual.
Hillary, not brilliant but effective. Trump, the melt down continues.
Omg, Craig, same here, all day debree removal.. Shutters put away.. Bougainvillea reset.. Hopefully it makes it.. Pool area tomorrow..
Thoughts on the debate.
If Donald Trump had prepared for the first debate as well as he prepped for this one he might still have a slim chance.
However He wasn’t the only one who upped their game. IMO Clinton had a great debate and blew him out of the water. She channelled her anger so well.
Jack
Funny thing, the only question he actually answered without going off into the twilight zone, was about what he respected about Hillary! Something to ponder. Good night all, I’ll check back in the morning.
Martha tried her damnedest to keep Trump on topic. Was Anderson Cooper even there?
Goodnight everyone…
Trump’s right about one thing: we’re all losers.
Chris Mathews kissing Kelley Ann Condoms butt disgusting she is not a good person she is a liar and disgusting
Back-reading the thread, a partisan lens may obscure the fact that Trump “won” this debate, applying the ridiculous but frequently applied standard of efficacy of slander and emotional appeal.
No! Trump did not win. He was disgusting to the point of needing to take a shower after he was done. It was a shameful display from the outset and did not improve with the passage of time. He was obnoxious and disingenuous throughout and that when he was on he was on his A game. the rest of the time he was nothing but an uninformed boor. If disgrace is a qualification for office , Trump has it in spades.
When a candidate has to request you go to a website instead of telling you in the moment, that’s not a win. He succeeded in damaging Clinton, and considering he is headed for electoral defeat, that is as close to a win as he can get. Clinton had no good responses to any of his attacks. You hear what you want- no skin off my teeth.
an avalanche of lies how Hillary described Trump’s performance but Tweety who had his face buried in the Condom’s butt didn’t notice
when you live in 1950’s america like trump world you don’t understand a lot about the world today
CNN…Hillary wins 57-34…
The three actual polls taken following the debate, politico, CNN & there was one other, of registered or likely voters all had Clinton winning. And Bink, 2 minute answers don’t provide enough time to delve into details, especially to debunk lies about complex issues like tax plans. Trump will have pleased his base, but I doubt he won over any educated suburban women with his bullying.
Signing off.
trump was a dead man walking before the debate and nothing changed
If I’m wrong, good.
Have a good week, all.
Trump lost it in the first 30 seconds IMO when he ducked the tough one, I’m not sure there is an acceptable answer. If I were him I would blame Billy Bush for egging him on then say he was playing a role at the time and his comments got out of hand. Then say, ” yes they were extremely offensive and I apologize.”
Something like that would have stopped it
As it was he ducked the question and did his best to never answer it.
Clinton only had one stumble and Trump pounced on it when she used Lincoln as a defence. There was a practical explanation that would have played to experience and serving the people but she didn’t use it. After all, politicians often have public and private views because they are representatives and often their beliefs and the beliefs of the people they represent aren’t the same. They aren’t dictators that get to go with what they want all the time.
Jack
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/political-figures-react-to-presidential-debate_us_57faf09de4b0e655eab55051?section=&
Yep, Trump won in a walk over. I just can’t believe my lying eyes. Shit, he can’t even convince the deplorables anymore.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/political-figures-react-to-presidential-debate_us_57faf09de4b0e655eab55051?section=&
Trump wins, give me a break. He can’t even convince the deplorables anymore.
The deadbeat applied a tourniquet to his political wounds, but he may not be finished bleeding. His first 20 minutes were disastrous. In his apology he was dismissive and insincere. Boasting that he grabbed women’s pudenda and mammae and that he attempted to seduce a married woman – behind Melania’s back – is not something to dismiss. It makes the deadbeat comparable to the bill Clinton that the repubs claim to despise.
Meanwhile, Ms Clinton looked and sounded like the victor. However she passed on many opportunities to ruin him. His claim that she never did anything about health care was such a YUUUUUJ whopper that she could have humiliated him. What about the enormous effort to create Clinton Care and get the Congress to pass it. What about SCHIP ? Also, she could have continued talking about the deadbeat’s admitted criminal sexual conduct, forcing him to lie that he was just telling dirty stories/lies to impress bill bush.
Clinton could also have reminded us that k-daffy supported rebel and terrorist groups that killed tens of thousands of bystanders in Sub Saharan Africa and Algeria. Anywhat, the noxious deadbeat got off easy.
Basically Clinton won because he and she both need a certain group of women to win. Clinton spoke to those women Trump didn’t.
End of game.
Jack
I agree, Jack. However, trump did slow the rate of his decay. Some women will believe his ‘apology’.
expect a twitter storm all reporting says he lost