Mexicans, Muslims ….. Yippies and Hippies

By SJWNY, a Trail Mix Contributor

Most people hear the Republican Nominee for President & ask, Why? I hear the same nut job & ask, Why …. Not…… compare his rhetoric to another famous Republican Politician with, uh, tax & media difficulties? Step right up, Spiro T. Agnew, the Veep of my childhood, the only Politician I have ever written to. (The auto-signed form letter I received will be treasured always.)

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For ease of presentation, the Republican Nominee/Nut Job will have his actual quotes in boldface; the late, unlamented Spiro T. will growl at us in italics.

I think I am, actually humble. I think I’m much more humble than you would understand.

I apologize for lying to you. I promise I won’t deceive you except in matters of this sort.

From a moral standpoint, I believe in it. But you also have to get elected. And there’s no way a Republican is going to beat a Democrat when the Republican is saying, ‘We’re going to cut your Social Security’ and the Democrat is saying, ‘We’re going to keep it and give you more.’

I have often been accused of putting my foot in my mouth, but I will never put my hands in your pockets.

We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.

An intellectual is a man who doesn’t know how to park a bike.

You know, it really doesn’t matter what (the media) write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.

Some newspapers are fit only to line the bottom of bird cages.

Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don’t want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!

Confronted with the choice, the American people would choose the policeman’s truncheon over the anarchist’s bomb.

I think the only card she has is the woman’s card. She has got nothing else going. Frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don’t think she would get 5% of the vote. And the beautiful thing is women don’t like her, OK?

Three things have been difficult to tame: the oceans, fools and women. We may soon be able to tame the oceans; fools and women will take a little longer.

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An aside: Reading a NYT article dated October 10, 1973 (the day Spiro T. resigned) there was a paragraph titled “Speculation About Successor.” It listed a group of men Richard Nixon might nominate as Agnew’s replacement. Two names listed? Attorney General Elliott Richardson & Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus. The Saturday Night Massacre occurred October 20th.

Can’t make this stuff up.

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  1.  

    And who can forget former Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s references to critics of Nixon’s Vietnam policy as “pusillanimous pussyfooters” [written by Pat Buchanan] and “nattering nabobs of negativism” [written by William Safire].

     

     

  2. from wcvb:

    “All I can say is that I’m (going to) be out there fighting my heart out,” Warren said. “Donald Trump cannot, cannot be president of the United States.”

    Warren was rallying voters in Somerville Tuesday night to use their vote to fight for working families.

    “This is about voting up and down the ticket,” she said. “It’s about asking people who want your vote — who they really plan to work for.”

    […]

    Then, Warren had this to say to Bernie Sanders supporters.

    “I say we need you over on the Democratic side,” she said. “We need you to help take back our government.” 

  3. more lizzie from boston herald:

    She called on Republicans to denounce Trump and back Clinton, making her pitch just hours after U.S. Rep. Richard Hanna became the first sitting Republican member of Congress to support Clinton.

    “I think this is an election where the difference between what Democrats stand for and what Republicans stand for is as wide and as deep as the Grand Canyon,” Warren said. “People really have to choose. There are some Republicans who need to be doing some choosing.”

    Warren called for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan, both Republicans, to formally denounce Trump instead of issuing statements after his controversial 
comments.

    “You don’t get to have it both ways,” she said. “Either you’re in or you’re out when a guy has gone that far in terms of his insults to the American people.”

    To frustrated left-wing backers of U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders now considering throwing their votes to Green Party candidate Jill Stein, Warren said, “We need you over on the Democratic side. We need you to help take back our government. Take it back so we can build a future not just for some of our children, but for all of our children.”

  4. Jamie

    So, the WaPo interview was the payback for the pants-on-fire awarded to Hillary. Sorry way of doing business.

  5. nbc news:  Paul Ryan Primary Opponent at Heart of Proxy War Between Trump and GOP

    Now, Trump’s shout out to Nehlen is giving him the kind of free media attention most House candidates can only dream of, with the candidate doing interviews on local and national television all day Tuesday.

    Like Brat, Nehlen boasts the support of some major conservative movement figures. Conservative commentator Michelle Malkin has endorsed him, Sarah Palin promised to work on his behalf to defeat Ryan (though that has yet to materialize in any substantial way), and Ann Coulter is set to join Nehlen for a campaign rally in Wisconsin this Saturday.

     

    and how can he lose with friends like sarah, ann and little Donnie?  🙂

  6. Kasich strikes me as being the only traditional Republican in a position to step-in and run a competitive campaign.

  7. Looks like there is more  going on  in the Republican ranks than just Trump.

     

    In western Kansas it was the  Koch Bros vrs the Chamber of commerce and other business pacs. and the  Koch Bros took it on the chin,

     

    Huelskamp loses GOP primary after ideological battle

     

    “A decisive and overwhelming win for conservatives who want to get big things done,” said Rob Engstrom, national political director at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. “Now is the time. We congratulate our friend Dr. Roger Marshall.”
    Strong Leadership for America, another outside group has not yet revealed its donors, put in $500,000 on targeted mailers and digital persuasion for its get-out-the-vote effort.
    Marshall backers hoped their victory in Kansas would send a message to frequent “no” voters among House Republicans: that obstructionism has its limits.
    “Every member should remember this the next time they see a Club for Growth or Heritage Action vote alert,” said a national Republican strategist. “Never put their interests before your district or the country, or there will be a price to pay.”

  8. Nice post the other day, Jack. I spent some of last night on Twitter reading the back and forth between Scott Baio and George Wallace. Two thoughts on that. #1. NEVER get into a war on Twitter with a professional comedian. You will NOT win. #2. Chachi should have had Ralph Malph write his tweets. At least they would have been funny.

  10. rollcall:  As Senate Races Heat Up, the Map Shifts

    It’s been that kind of summer in the fight for the Senate majority. A battleground map that once seemed set in place has instead seen a series of individual-state transformations, leaving both parties excited over newfound opportunities and worried over unforeseen liabilities.

  11. I wrote two letters to Mr Truman in the late ’40s. In one, I asked what his middle initial ‘S’ stood for. The answer was essentially that it was just a placeholder. The second letter was one protesting a policy that he initiated. I don’t recall the policy, but I do remember I ended the letter:

    Your former friend,
    Flatus

    I received polite replies to both letters which were written before common availability of ballpoint pens. I used one of the pens that you stick in the bottle of ink and have at it. Doing that made my communications feel extra special.

  12. from wonkette:
    Was The Clinton Campaign Hack A Secret Ménage à Trois Between Trump, Putin, and Julian Assange? Yeah Probs

    also for Jamie from wonkette: Prolific, Articulate Donald Trump Says New York Times No Write Words Good
     

  14. More news on the Kansas election/Republican civil war
    Governor Brownback lost  several members of his conservative coalition last night and the  as the Tea Party/koch  incumbents went down to defeat.
    It was a revolt of the moderates tired of  the way governing is being done in Kansas. 

    Senate Majority Leader Terry Bruce, a conservative Republican from Hutchinson, had aspirations of being the next Senate

    president. But former community college president Ed Berger defeated him handily in what was perhaps the most surprising result of the night.
    “We’re just a bunch of amateurs putting this campaign together,” says Berger, who took 57 percent of the vote, unofficially. “Nobody really had any experience with campaigns, but people were very dedicated to making it happen and that was the difference right there. They wanted to change Kansas and they were committed to making that happen.”
    Bruce has been a political ally of Gov. Sam Brownback and several moderate Republicans say his loss and others signal statewide discontent with the governor and the tax cuts he spearheaded that preceded an ongoing budget crisis.

  15. The “gargle vomit” of the NY Times (Thank you for that Wonkette) is just one more example of the false equivalency doctrine of modern media.  They must be “fair” in their praise/attacks of every issue in order not to upset any portion of their potential audience.

  17. Jamie, looks like pbs newshour is trying to weigh clarity into that “false equivalency doctrine” balance.

    GWEN IFILL: Tonight, we launch a new election year series, Candidates in Context. Between now and Election Day, we will strive to go beyond the headlines to explain what’s happening and why.

     

    On Sunday’s “This Week,” Donald Trump asserted that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not go into Ukraine — but Russia is already there. Lisa Desjardins reviews the recent history of Russia’s relationship with Ukraine and analyzes Trump’s previous statements on the subject.

  18. SJ, thanks for bringing up Agnew, I always get a laugh remembering that dumbo. Also got me thinking about Nixon’s “mad man strategy?” — making our country’s foes think he was unbalanced and irrational, would use nukes if they provoked him. Difference is Trump really might be a mad man, not just playing one on TV

    Whysky, enjoyed yesterday’s post, great to see those kids having fun. Thanks for sharing.

  20. RR,

    Spiro T. deserves a brief comeback if only to remind us just how bad things were & if we’re not careful just how bad things might become again.

    Flatus,

    Loved your remembrance of the letters you wrote to Harry ‘S’ Truman.

    Anyone else written to a Politician & received an answer back? Was the response Good; Bad; Meh?

     

  21. courier-journal:

    Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer blasted Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Twitter over Trump’s continued sniping at the family of U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan in the week since Khan’s father criticized him during the Democratic National Convention.

    “If @realDonaldTrump wants to be the Commander in Chief, he needs to act like one. And that cant start until he apologizes to the Khans,” Meyer wrote Tuesday on his verified Twitter account.

    [….]

    Trump didn’t immediately respond to Meyer on Twitter, and Hope Hicks, Trump’s spokeswoman didn’t immediately respond to an email seeking comment.

    Meyer, who was awarded the Medal of Honor in 2011 for his service in Afghanistan, is from Columbia, Ky. Meyer is married to Bristol Palin, the daughter of 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, and spoke at the inauguration of Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin.

  23. “Anyone else written to a Politician & received an answer back? Was the response Good; Bad; Meh?”

    sjwny, back in simpler times my grandfather received this response from the white house dated 1/16/34 on 5×8 wh stationary:

    The President received the live alligator which you were good enough to send him and requested me to thank you for your courtesy. He appreciates this evidence of your good will.

    Very sincerely yours,

    M.A. LeHand
    Private Secretary

     

    this is a treasured document .

  24. SJ

    Your post brings back lots of memories from that period in time. When things finally came to a head, we were stationed in Panama. The transition in power wasn’t something that we agonized over; we just wanted a speedy, decisive transition.

    Gerry Ford taking over, with his immediate shift to ‘Whip Inflation Now’ (WIN), provided much needed relief in pent-up tensions, and reestablished a seriousness in our chain-of-command.

  25. “wonder if Hillary ought to be the one to refuse debates, on the grounds that he isn’t worthy of the stage.”

    Excellent.

    If she decides to debate, it’d be a hoot if she started talking about how Freedonia needs a leader like Rufus T. Firefly & how we will defend this small country against the invasions of evil Sylvania, their devious Ambassador Trentino & his henchmen, Pinky & Chicolini.

    $5 says Trump takes the bait.

     

     

  26. from huffpo’s What Every Woman Should Know About Hillary Clinton (And Probably Already Does)

    According to a 2012 report by American University’s Women & Politics Institute called Men Rule: The Continued Under-Representation of Women in U.S. Politics,

    1. Women are substantially more likely than men to perceive the electoral environment as highly competitive and biased against female candidates.
    2. Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin’s candidacies aggravated women’s perceptions of gender bias in the electoral arena.
    3. Women are much less likely than men to think they are qualified to run for office.
    4. Female potential candidates are less competitive, less confident, and more risk averse than their male counterparts.
    5. Women react more negatively than men to many aspects of modern campaigns.
    6. Women are less likely than men to receive the suggestion to run for office – from anyone.
    7. Women are still responsible for the majority of childcare and household tasks.

     

     

    The cultural bias against women in politics is impossible to ignore.

  27. Clinton shouldn’t refuse the debates but should insist on rules of civility and if Troll is way down in the polls

    have the libertarians included

  28. usa today Fact check: Trump misfires on debate claim

    Donald Trump made the baseless accusation that the Hillary Clinton campaign was plotting to schedule two of three presidential debates on nights with NFL football games in order to limit viewership. The dates were set by the bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates long before either Trump or Clinton secured their parties’ presidential nominations, and before the National Football League even announced its 2016 schedule.

    [….]

    On Sept. 23, 2015, the CPD announced the dates of all three presidential debates: Monday, Sept. 26; Sunday, Oct. 9; and Wednesday, Oct. 19. The NFL didn’t release its schedule until more than six months after the CPD set its debate dates, but the NFL typically holds games on Sunday and Monday nights. As it happens, two of those debates are scheduled for nights with NFL games — a Monday, Sept. 26 game between the New Orleans Saints and Atlanta Falcons and a Sunday, Oct. 9 game between the New York Giants and Green Bay Packers.

    [….]

    We should note as well that Trump’s claim that he “got a letter from the NFL” calling the debate schedule “ridiculous” was denied by the NFL. “While we’d obviously wish the Debate Commission could find another night, we did not send a letter to Mr Trump,” a spokesman for the NFL said. In an addendum to his interview with Trump, Stephanopoulos noted that “the Trump team responded to that overnight, saying that Trump was made aware of conflicting dates by a source close to the league.”

  29. NBC News reported that Priebus is “apoplectic” over Trump’s comments Tuesday that he is not endorsing House Speaker Paul Ryan and Sen. John McCain in their re-election efforts. Both Ryan and McCain have endorsed Trump in his presidential bid.

    Too bad Priebus  you broke it you own it and you were only too happy to get on the Troll Train.  You could have stopped it you sleazy jerk
    I’m not sorry in fact I am happy that the Republicans are getting what they deserve. Their disgusting behavior to Obama, their refusals to move forward, theiruse of hatemongers
    Good rddance to bad rubbage….bring back the country clubbers oh wait they aren’t any better.

  30. “….. source close to the league.”   maybe he is getting messages from one of the Clydesdales

     

  32. from huffpo Mitch McConnell Admits Zika Legislation Is Not Clean

    Asked in an interview on WKYT’s Kentucky Newsmakers program over the weekend why voters shouldn’t see the inability to deal with Zika as evidence Congress is dysfunctional, McConnell said voters have a right to be angry ― at Democrats.

    Asked further by WKYT’s Bill Bryant why Congress couldn’t “just have a clean Zika bill,” McConnell contended that all bills are at least a little dirty, saying that’s how Congress does things.

    “No bills are completely clean,” McConnell said, implying that all legislation needs to be loaded down with partisan favors in order to pass. “They’re always a combination of interests because neither side is irrelevant. This is divided government. Both Democrats and Republicans have sway, have power to influence things.”

    [….]

    When that bill came back from the House with contraception restrictions, pro-Confederate flag and other items attached, Democrats accused Republicans of taking Zika funding hostage to fulfill right-wing partisan wishes.

    McConnell belittled those concerns in the interview.

    “The Democrats, because of some really minor objections to some of their core supporters like the Planned Parenthood group, decided to kill a bill that had a huge impact on the Zika crisis,” McConnell said.

  33. politicususa: Tammy Duckworth Humiliates Donald Trump for Purple Heart Remarks
    Having lost both legs in Iraq, Duckworth tweeted, “This is how one usually looks when you are awarded the Purple Heart. Nothing easy about it”
    Another Purple Heart recipient, Delaware Democrat and Marine veteran Sean Barney, who got his medal after being shot in the neck by a sniper in 2006, told Trump, “No one should ever ‘want’ one of these.” Barney said Trump’s comments were “flippant and repugnant.”

  35. please excuse the length…and it’s not even the entire column, but garrison Keillor is worth the bandwidth:

    The race between Madame President and Il Duce is a classic duel between the organization woman and the visionary who imagines himself on a white horse waving a flaming sword. Madame is an ambitious nerd like the small-town church women I knew in my youth who did good works in behalf of civility and learning and now she’s up against the Leader of the Pack, revving his engine, the dude with Flashiest Chick, Hottest Car, Coolest Clothes. Her speeches tend to disappoint people because they’re not All About Her. She doesn’t seem to have had a profound spiritual crisis that gave her a vision. Instead of a vision, she had a strong mother.
    I go to a woman doctor and this may be one reason the thought of Hillary Clinton in the White House does not fill me with blind rage. My doctor is smart and crisp in manner and she has performed intricate non-invasive procedures on me that have made my life better, meanwhile I know men who stuck with their old golf partner Earl who is also a urologist and those men get up thirteen times during the night to pee and must wear dark trousers.
    So I look forward to January. The last time we saw Mrs. Clinton on Inauguration Day at the White House, she was standing beside Bill, welcoming George and Laura. As I play that scene back in my mind, knowing what we know now, I wish it had been Laura taking the oath and George taking charge of table decorations. Laura Bush is secretly a Texas Democrat, just as Hillary Clinton is secretly a moderate Republican. I think Laura Bush would have seen through Dick Cheney and all those old draft-dodgers eager to prove their manhood by sending other people’s children off to war.
    A great many menopausal white men like myself have a problem dealing with smart ambitious women. They like waitresses. Waitresses know this. They know not to make old men feel stupid, especially the ones who are. That’s the side the bread is buttered on.
    Senator Lindsey Graham said, “There’ll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary.” We shall soon see if that time has come.

  40. No, it’s an insult to the pride of mentally ill people, who are usually rather intelligent, from my experience.  They tend to be crazy from thinking too much.  Trump has never “thought too much” in his entire life.

  41. Good post, sjynwy.  Keep those links coming, all, or I’ll be as dumb as the GOP nom!  Nooooooooooooooo…

  42. If I have to choose I’m going with insane because I don’t think he is  stupid -just a bunch of personality disorders supported by too much cash

    but he does do stupid things because in the past they have worked for him

  44. I’m so glad this election has re-entered the realm of the laughably absurd, as oppossed to the pants-shittingly absurd, because between you guys and Nate Silver, I was ready to hide under the biggest blanket I could find until November, at the earliest.

     

    There are some opinion pieces floating around the media, now, of course, postulating that Trump might be intentionally making outrageous statements because he doesn’t really want to win, remain until the General Election, or ultimately, serve.  Such logic is predicated on some sort of utterly unfounded assumption that Trump is so brilliant and sharp that, when presented with a purple heart from a combat veteran, he would immdiately realize, thanks to his superior intellect, that the most outrageous response he could craft in that singular moment would be, “I always wanted a purple heart”.

     

    Occam’s Razor would dictate that he’s just dumb.

     

    Bandwidth exceeded 😛

  46. SJ: Ahhh, the Nixon/Agnew days of corruption, lying and criminal acts, I remember them well…followed closely by the humor and pratfalls of Gerald Ford. Those were the days! Amzing how closely DT comments align w/Agnew except that DT is much crazier & more dangerous.

    Pat: LOL! Love #5 The writers must cringe every time DT tweets. I think history will show that there has never been anyone who reacts with “…more negatively…to many aspects of modern campaigns.” than DT!

    also…love Garrison Keillor, what a writer! One of my favorite lines from that article was, quoting Thoreau “…”If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours.” And right there you have the campaign motto of the Republican nominee. He dreamed of being saluted by uniformed personnel other than doormen and chauffeurs and now he’s advancing confidently in that direction.” great way to sum up DT!

    I’ve mentioned to a few people that I think DT may have initially started talking about running for President as a joke, but once he started being fawned over by people who thought he was serious the narcissist/megalomaniac in him took control and he made his candidacy official. The joke is on the GOP for having fallen for it because now the real DT is showing through the original media hype and it isn’t pretty!

  47. What wild few weeks we have experienced, and the beat of the post-Labor Day campaign has not even started.

    Nixon/Agnew – as crooked a pair as sat in the White House at any time.  A very interesting book about Kennedy & Nixon is by Christopher Matthews.  I was in the military at the time.  Many of us decided to take our pay in cash rather than rely on direct deposit, just in case.

    Each hour brings more interest in the fate of the dude one step off planet earth.  More articles about his state of mind or rather more like how many chapters in the DSM V does he fit.  Considering there are three months left, many in and out of his campaign are now planning on what to do when he does explode and do something beyond the pale (well worn cliche for mayhem).  What if he attacks and hurts a reporter?  Or someone he thinks insulted his fat ass?  When the only words he heard were not heard by any others.

    HRC was a Republican before she became a Democrat. She should make sure the “debates”, there is no way uncouth debates anyone he just yells and insults, go forward.  Put him in there, highlighting his descent into madness.  But, he has already stated his thoughts on moving the “debates”.  Do not let him.

     

  48. Trump has run for president several times but it wasn’t until the goops brought out the clown car that he actually filed.

  49. It sounds like the GOP may be trying to dump Trump.  So, would Ted Cruz be “it” or would they give it to Pence?

    ** You should ask the Haitian people how they feel about Hillary.  The MSM is trying to help her out by burying it.

     

  50. bid – If the nasty thing is dumped and the RNC goes to anyone, Cruz would do.  Pence is too “nice” even though he was to the right of all that is Republican.  Cruz pisses off everyone the moment he walks in a room, but that is what the current Republican voters want, all 30% of the voters.

  51. There is no provision by which Republicans can dump Trump. unless he is dead or in a comma. Ansd I don’t think any one is ready to bell that cat.

    All they can do is what Meg whitman did, write off this year and make sure he doesn’t get elected. That means support HRC and  hope the Republican party can return to sanity in time to Run someone in 2020.

     

    Jack

  52. Mean while Axelrod advises Clinton to quit campaigning and spent the next 3 months touring our beautiful parks system.

    Makes sense

    When you have a candidate  like Trump, why interfere. Give him freedom to say anything he wants. Just stay out of the news cycle except for picture of you and  another gorgeous view  from Rocky mountain park. BTW Rocky Mountain National park is  a much better place to hang out   than florida in August.

     

    Jack

  53. weather for Rocky Mountain National park
    HIGHS 66 TO 76. CHANCE
    OF PRECIPITATION 40 PERCENT.

    Miami florida: A 50 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 87.
    And we won’t mention the humidity.

    Jack

  54. The precip at RMNP – it could snow too, not likely though.  HRC could travel around like the traveling teddy bear.  A picture in front of a town sign, with supporters.  Three times each day a new picture with new supporters, a travel through America.  Letting unhinged do his babbling idiot shtick the moving picture media likes so much.  Compare a picture post card from the fly over zone to nasty attacking babies in Red States.

  55. Note to self – “…”

    Based on suspicion of voter fraud by the OAS that benefited the no. 2 candidate in Haiti’s 2011 Pres elections, she pressured Pres Preval to allow a 2 person runoff including Martelly, who was 3rd in the voting.  Martelly won over Perval’s hand picked candidate.  The Haitian People elected him – he was not put into office by the US.  By all accounts he’s been a disaster. It was a 2011 story “buried” in the NY Times and WaPo (MSM?) when they both published stories on it in March 2016. WSJ had covered it in May, 2015. Haiti’s a mess, and the money that’s gone there through numerous channels, including the CGI for rebuilding and development hasn’t achieved the ends it was intended to achieve. The MSM is not accommodating the Hillary haters by trying to resurrect their anti-Hillary story du jour.

    Oh, and by the way, Martelly is no longer President – his term ended in February. They have bigger fish to fry than pounding Hillary.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/haiti-needs-food-jobs-doctors–and-now-a-president/2016/06/15/6eb20928-3171-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html

    Sorry for the full length link – can’t compress them in edit mode.

  56. here’s what RNC rules say: “the Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States”

    Depends on what “or otherwise” means — I see a bit of running room with vague wording like that.

    Could even be possibilities in one of the definitions of declination:
    1. A sloping or bending downward.
    2. A falling off, especially from prosperity or vigor; a decline.
    3. A deviation, as from a specific direction or standard.
    4. A refusal to accept.

  58. Poobah, I think “or otherwise” is the proverbial wild card.  It means whatever you can convince someone it means – except death or declination. (I have to think that declination is to be distinguished from disinclination – which is what Preibus, et al. have got to be experiencing about right now).

  59. Yep Pogo, very clever to pop that “or otherwise” in there, gives the RNC power to define however they choose if they have the votes — just declare him unfit and fill the vacancy — litigation to follow, expedited to Supremes — what a show that would be

  60. craig, do those rules spell out a nominee’s duties and responsibilities? if so and if he’s declining to fulfill those obligations they can employ both the “declination” and the “otherwise” triggers.

    as for an alternate, imp it will be pence or Kasich. kasich was the last opponent standing pre-convention vote wasn’t he? were there any others that were formally still in the race?

  61. PatD, i’ll leave that question to House Counsel Pogo if he’s inclinced. I have to go pick up ribs to marinate for our house guests tomorrow

  62. declination as in declining mental health?   bb is right about drumpf’s certifiable under the dsm v disorders…

    new joke: how may psychiatrists does it take to screw a trump?  a nice letter to the rnc with a bunch of respected signers of the medical persuasion might do it (salted with some Koch donations just to give it a boost)

  63. Don’t forget to account for the utter spinelessness of and total lack of leadership from the Republican establishment in your analyses!

     

  66. jack, axelrod might have something there.  do cross-country travelling gnome pictures of her kissing babies, hugging old folk and downing a brew with the boys at the bar….  no sound, no statements, just smiling faces.

  67. Dump Trump, make HRC the GOP nom, give Bernie the Dem nom, and then you’d have an election that more closely aligned with the political persuasion of the majority of the electorate.

     

    If the GOP procedurally removes their democratically-elected ( 😛 ) nominee, it undermines the party, this election, the two-party system, and the entire democratic process, itself.  At the very least, it is the definitive end of the GOP, with real electoral repercussions to be felt for a generation if the conservative movement wasn’t re-branded, before then.

     

    It would be fantastic.

  68. “wonder if Hillary ought to be the one to refuse debates, on the grounds that he isn’t worthy of the stage, abandoned by his own party” – Boss Crawford

    No. She should say that she’ll “take trump at his word – he won’t debate because he’s going to watch some football. End of story.”   

  69. “If the GOP procedurally removes their democratically-elected (  ) nominee, it undermines the party, this election, the two-party system, and the entire democratic process, itself.” – Mr. Bink

    Well for certain it does destroy trump’s chance of becoming putin’s vicar in the White House. So, there is SOME compensation.

     

  70. Isn’t it remarkable that prince rebus got his mouth off of trump’s zipper long enough to whimper ? I call that republican-heroic.

     

  71. The MOST horrid thing is, no matter how crazy and mean the derision I pile on this putrescent party, its leaders and candidates, they come up with new monstrosities and vileness that makes me seem a master of understatement.

    IT’S NOT FAIR ! THE HUMOR IS RIGGED !

  73. No, no,no, NO!  I don’t want Trump removed from the GOP nomination  I don’t understand why so many of you seem to be advocating for it.  I want Hillary to win the presidency…   I want Congress and/or the Senate to flip.

    Let them eat cake!

  74. PatD, house counsel punts.  None of the pugn candidates that I am aware of ever conceded (maybe Carson) – they suspended their campaigns.  I know that Cruz, Rubio and Kasich all received delegates – if the RNC were to try to plug that round hole with a square peg, i’d think it would be one of them.  Purely on votes you’d think it would be Cruz. Pence is nothing more than trump’s shadow.  He was selected after all the primary votes were cast, so literally no one cast a vote for him.  I think this is interesting, but short of a massive coronary I don’t think we’ll get to see this tested.

  75. I’m with Renee – leave the stooge in there.  It’s somewhat of a true reflection of the ‘soul’ of the Republicans.  If he’s out – who will take over?  Pence?  Really?

  76. XR, you’re making me cry I’m laughing so hard.  If the humor is rigged, it is rigged in your favor.

    Renee, I don’t think you have anything to worry about.  Who’s gonna remove trump?  Priebus?  Now that’s funny.

  78. First things…….Jack, thanks for the your “important stuff thread……..it was a pleasure…..dos: thanks for singing me to sleep….was having a hard time sleeping until the Flaco H. and little Joe vid………that is my favorite one from those two…….Flaco even manages to make playing the accordion  seem like fun……..

    Oh, and im with Jamie….lets have a permanent link for helping out those ninos in your hood….loved them pics…….when my two younger bros were very young……our older sister, and mother made a big deal about “dia de los ninos”…..we felt special.!

    Bink, i love everything you said in your last few post…..”the 2 party system broken”……fervently hoping over here……

    KGC…….been loving your stuff……keep it up

    Been enjoying summers hot days……kayaking, paddle boat….tommorrow will be in an rubber speed boat like the ones that the Navy Seals train on……..life jacket-check, helmet-check………later……i hope….

    PS….Craig, im not sure if we have a certain day, date to send in our yrly contribution/fee for the trail…..i will send in my contribution one way or another………thank for letting me hang around this great site….and to all those that i learn so much from…..

  80. Please keep in mind that no matter what I say about the fat bastard wearing an orange dyed muskrat on his head, I do believe he is the Republican candidate for President of the United States.  And, he was duly elected by the Republicans to do such.  And, the leadership of the Republican Party support the loon.  He is their candidate.  Who am I to second guess their decisions.  He, as such, is the perfect candidate for the Republicans.

    I am not happy at what he does to everyone other than himself and his daughter (DNA tests please, she can find another job if she wants to).  But, that is how Republicans running for office are now.  The Republican party of Lincoln, Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Reagan, Bushies I and II is now embodied by the fruitimaximous gas bag.  Each and every one of them.  From the guy with only one oar in the water all the way down to the school board or city council.  They are all, totally, the spawn of the wet fart.

  81. Renee,

    I wanna keep trump around for as long as we can……..after all of this is over……i don’t think that his business opportunities will be the same……..not too many people will not want to be associated with him……..unless they really had the upper hand and took great advantages over him …….he is losing more than just being potus imo……..

  82. …his serial bankruptcies indicate a quitter- he’ll make it easy on everyone.  Sorry, RR.

     

    The cognoscenti favor Ryan as the alternate.

  84. I have a feeling Ivanka may not be voting for daddy.  She certainly knocked back both Donald and her brothers on the sexual harassment issue with “Report It immediately” & Sexual harassment isn’t the victims fault.  Take that boys.

    If she were the one running for President, the GOP might stand a chance, but as I said, I don’t think she is a Republican.

     

  86. SJ…..nice thread…….mmmmmmm have i ever asked you if you dance much……thats ok, we going soon…..

  87. So what is everyone doing this weekend?  We are headed for the Renaissance Faire which is an annual tradition that means I get to buy another BOWI Band CD.  They have a bad habit of emptying my wallet every year.

     

  88. Solar,

    I dance like Elaine on Seinfeld.

    Always a treat when we hear from you 😉

     

     

  89. “The MOST horrid thing is, no matter how crazy and mean the derision I pile on this putrescent party, its leaders and candidates, they come up with new monstrosities and vileness that makes me seem a master of understatement”

    xr, and unfortunately with each lowering level of hell the MORE fervent his followers are.  I think the true believers welcome the gop leadership and elite establishment denouncing their savior.  wasn’t that his main attraction boasting he isn’t bought, not part of politics? they love him “telling it like it is” even tho they know it really isn’t like the way he tells it… they love his bravado, his bully boy thrills them and they take pleasure in being rich vicariously thru his ostentation. [think here of rev. ike, hollywood and rock idols and the british royalty]

    beware the true believers.  they will come out in droves to vote.  this election is still too close a horse race to dismiss them and count their fervor out.

  90. https://youtu.be/EwPRm5UMe1A

    And he like his fancy clothes
    And he like to wave his diamond rings
    In front of everybody’s nose
    He got a custom Continental
    He got an Eldorado too
    He got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun
    He got a razor in his shoe
    And it’s bad, bad …
    The baddest man in the whole damned town

  94. Ok, Jamie,      im in.  Picking u up wearing everything that the fred had on…….please have the exact dress on also……….we going to look damn good……..shoes are optional no?………..oh cept the bow tie…..dont do bow ties….or twitter….so im following youre lead……

  95. Ya know reading all the political news  make me want some Zappa to clean thesystem.

    Dweezil put together  a group of young talented musicians, They probably do Franks music better than Frank and his band did. They are amazing. A co-worker of Mrs. Jack took her and  her pursuit leader to see them when they were In  Toronto. She said they were great in concert

    https://youtu.be/pOtuqYzJTsM

     

  97. There isn’t enough popcorn in the world for this show

     

    I wonder if Troll knows the Republicans killed the zika bill

  98. Going to start a new band……..Solarcrete and polka makers………love polkas, don’t like  For you sturg ….Palookas……but like you said a long time ago….its impossible to be nothing but happy when doing the polka……..later, sorry for breaking the Political discourse for the second day in a row……..

  99.  

    Hillary Clinton
    73.2%

    Donald Trump
    26.7%

    538 today…….goodbye Republican senate

  100. George Harrison estate has objected to use of “Here Comes The Sun” but has stated they would have approved “Beware of Darkness”

     

  101. Jamie

    Thanks.

    We are thinking of something for next year Right now we are waiting for the environmental report on the park property so they can transfer it from the school district to the city.  (it has been a long slow process.)

    It looks like we will be able to get city funding for most of our needs, But we are going after some grants and will need help as several of them have a matching part or a crowd funding  match for part of the grant.

    Mrs Jack would like to create what she calls “The reading room” a small court yard  with a  couple of chess tables and a  cresent shaped bench where folks can gather   and do story telling , read a book to children   do art and craft projects. or just a place to set and watch the world. We want to make it something nice and as we say make more than good enough for poor folks.

    When we get our plans together (look for next year sometime)  we will let everybody know.

    You all have been essential to a lot of what we have done the last two years and we are very grateful for your help.  Sherry (aka Mrs Jack) told me to tell you that she was touched by your comment.

    Solar thanks for your offer too. when we start our next project we will take you up on it. Give me your email send it to whskyjack at Yahoo dot com

    Jack

  102. PA is not a toss-up and to pretend otherwise feeds into the Troll narrative  MSNBC Liars for Trump

    he is not going to carry PA the goops can only pray for Twomey nothing else is going to save him You can trot out Ed
    Rendell and he will always paint the worse picture for the Dems but he is always wrong

    I’m with RR == why should the goops be saved. I’m nervous enough about this election. Things are on track for a good year for Democrats.

  105. PA is a BLUE state. If msnbc said otherwise, msnbc is an olds network, not a news network.

  109. counselor pogo, would loss of poll points/loss of donations (or god willing loss of election) be enough to show damage for drumpf to have grounds for a libel suit against bette midler’s possibly defamatory “dangerously insane” tweet?

  110. Bloomberg politics: Elizabeth Warren on Donald Trump and TPP

    The darling of the progressives talks financial reform (oh, and the Wonder Twins).

    I know you have grandchildren. I don’t know if they watch Saturday morning cartoons. But a banker I spoke to at the Democratic convention said he worried you and Bernie Sanders would become the liberal Wonder Twins if Democrats take over the Senate. How will you and Bernie work together next year?
    We will touch our rings together and use the lightning bolts to energize all of our colleagues.

    You do watch cartoons!
    You got it.

  111. this tweet to peter daou reminded me of you craig in 2008
    (((FreedomWins((( ‏@live4Libty  10h10 hours ago
    (((FreedomWins((( Retweeted Peter Daou

    “her millions of supporters will flock to anyone who has the guts to report on her without the usual cynicism”

    (((FreedomWins((( added,

    Peter Daou @peterdaou
    OPEN LETTER TO THE MEDIA: In the Name of Decency, Stop Tipping the Scale for #Trump http://bluenationreview.com/in-the-name-of-decency-stop-tipping-the-scale-for-trump/ … #HillaryClinton

    25 retweets18 likes

     

  115. Dear Hillary, How Very Dare You

    Members of the press, in their misguided attempt to be “balanced”, love to point out that we face a presidential contest between the two least-popular candidates ever. What they fail to do is analyze their own complicity in blindly adhering to the cartoon version of Hillary Clinton.

  116. Jamie, thanks for that link.  his 1st 2 paragraphs deserve posting and reposting… especially for our bernie friends here on the trail:

    Let me be as candid and transparent as possible: I was a very strong supporter of Bernie Sanders, and until the past four weeks, held out great hope that he would become our next President. Over the course of the past month, I have had to do a great deal of reflecting and ask myself where does this seemingly irrational antipathy for Hillary Clinton come from? Why have I participated in it? After doing some research and looking hard at systemic misogyny, I have had to confront myself with the truth that I bought into a narrative about Hillary Clinton that has been produced, packaged, and perpetuated by mostly the GOP with the help of many democrats and independents.

    This narrative is a 30-year-old vilification of a woman who is bright, independent, wealthy, and powerful — a woman who asks for what she wants and needs. How very dare you, Ms. Clinton? How dare you have a mind of your own? How dare you be bright and powerful? How dare you ask for what you want and need? Don’t you know these rights are still exclusively for white, Christian, cisgender, able-bodied, heterosexual men?

  117. OSH

    Shelter is still great for the huge events, but a go fund me project with a reviewed charity is perfect for ongoing projects and dedicated to making one small area better because it is there, plus we can spread the word to others who don’t hang out on the trail.

     

  118. We’re leaving shortly to bring my scarves up to the fair.  Then we’ll stay and help a good friend put up her booth.  The fact that we don’t have to put up our own booth this year….   priceless!!   And I’m staying home this weekend to lounge around….    again….   priceless!!  I do have to work in the tent next Friday and Saturday….   but that’s nothing compared to being up there for 12 days.  Once again…   really lovin’ this semi-retirement stuff.

  120. RebelliousRenee,

    Good Luck at the Fair. Sounds like fun … and you may actually be able to enjoy it.

  123. patd, LOL – the old saying is the truth is an absolute defense to a defamation suit. Plus, she didn’t say trump is insane.

  124. Jack, Dweezil didn’t fall far from the tree.  With respect to comparing his band to Frank’s – Frank wrote it, and his band had a rotating cast of characters, including Lowell George and Steve Vai on guitar.

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