There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 29, 2018
bink, thanks for pointing out the blatant dichotomy. I add to that the last line of his recent tweet.
Lady Liberty:
…Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!’”
Donald Trump on“Fox News”, 2018:
“We’re going to put tents up all over the place… they’re going to wait, and, if they don’t get asylum, they’re going to get out.”
and @realDonaldTrump:
That will do much to put out the flame...
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Now the bigot wants to end birthright citizenship. How can anyone who cares about our values not rise up at the polls next week?
Section 1, Clause 1, of the Fourteenth Amendment, reads:
for more info, wiki regarding “Birthright citizenship in the United States”
back in 2015, from huffpo: Without Birthright Citizenship, We’d Be Missing These Great Americans
[…]
Republican disdain for the 14th Amendment has been fueled by a belief that undocumented immigrants are coming to the United States in order to take advantage of the birthright citizenship provision. Reality television star and GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, for example, said birthright citizenship “remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration.”
But taking away this right would have effects far beyond what its critics may realize, as Walter Dellinger, who served as a top legal official in former President Bill Clinton’s administration, told The Huffington Post this week.
“Today, it serves a very important function, that no one can go back to previous generations and find out that your claim to be a citizen is faulty because your grandparent or great-grandparents was not lawfully in the country,” Dellinger said. “That’s the critical importance of wiping the slate clean.”
“If it weren’t for birthright citizenship, people could go back and say, ‘We found out your great-grandparent arrived at Ellis Island under a different name, and therefore none of her descendants are citizens either,’” Dellinger added. “Birthright citizenship eliminates all of those questions.”
Here are some Americans who might not be Americans without birthright citizenship:
[…continues and lists marco rubio, bobby jingal among others….]
This would mean I (and my brother and sister) are not Americans. To which I say to trump…. FUCK YOU!
in wapo this morning: Synagogue shooting victim’s family rejects offer to meet Trump: ‘He was blaming the community’
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“Everybody feels that they were inappropriate,” Halle said Tuesday — the same day his uncle was set to be buried — of Trump’s remarks about security. “He was blaming the community.
“A church, a synagogue, should not be a fortress. It should be an open welcoming place to feel safe.”
Trump has not announced whether he will visit Squirrel Hill — the predominantly Jewish neighborhood where the synagogue is located and many victims lives. Tree of Life has been closed since Saturday’s rampage, which was allegedly carried out by a man who had ranted online that Jews were bringing “invaders in that kill our people.”
[….]
Rabbi Jeffrey Myers, who has called out “hate” in U.S. political speech since some of his congregants were gunned down, nevertheless planned to welcome the president. The accused gunman is an avowed anti-Semite.
“Hate is not political. It is not blue or red, it’s not male or female, it doesn’t know any of those divisions,” Myers told The Washington Post on Monday.
However, Tree of Life’s former rabbi, Chuck Diamond, told the Daily Beast that Trump’s rhetoric was “awful.” Like Pittsburgh Mayor Bill Peduto (D), Diamond asked the president to postpone his trip until the community has finished mourning.
“I would plead with the president to wait,” Diamond said. “I also hope he would come in and offer his condolences after we have buried them and had a chance to mourn.”
[…continues…]
renee, on the bright side, though, we could get rid of ted cruz
For no reason whatsoever, Donald Trump made up a lie about one of America’s worst tragedies to address its latest.
Next he’ll deny citizenship to Democrats.
Ya know, Poobah, we met when you were out meeting folks on your “Shoot the Messenger” book tour. The suggestions at that time regarding the media were milquetoast compared to the constant FAKE NEWS!! barrage by IMPOTUS.
As to SFB’s visit to the synagogue, I suggest a shunning – backs turned to him at all times. Alternatively, how about a neighborhood lock down of Squirrel Hill?
An ex brother-in-law lived in Squirrel Hill and worked at GE (he is partially responsible for sodium vapor street lights – so now you know one person to blame for the yellow night time scourge) and taught at Carnegie Mellon U. Wonderful section of town. Be a shame to spoil it with an IMPOTUS motorcade.
patd, sorry, but I believe Ted’s mom was a US citizen.
Speaking of which – what the HELL is he talking about? Birthright citizenship is not a policy, it is a right enshrined in the 14th Amendment. Even if the conservative legal “scholars” tried to look past its words to its intended meaning – which in context was to grant citizenship to freed slaves – slaves were arguably in a sense not here legally – having been brought to the US as chattel in a criminal activity (it’s a stupid argument and I do not believe it would win the day, but hey, it could be argued) – so if that argument had any traction the birthright citizenship provision of the 14th Amendment is meaningless. And by the way, SFB, we are not the only nation that has birthright citizenship – we are in fact surrounded by countries that do – Canada and Mexico – and the bulk of the countries in Central and South America do. So please, just STFU.
Delusional hardly describes Trump. We have run out of adjectives that properly describe this loathsome piece of shit. Denying birthright citizenship is only the latest testament to his unfitness for office.
Voting should be the cure,but I fear that before Trump is done it will come to pitch forks in the streets. I do not believe for one second that my fear is unfounded.
Didn’t one or more of SFB’s parents come without permission
and what about Melanoma–and all the other supposed models from the Trump agency
And what about all those Russians having babies in Miami while staying in Trump properties
There should be plenty of time between now and election to highlight the latest Trump travesty with new ads demanding that republicans take a position on birth right citizenship.This might generate a few additional votes in some close races.
pogo, party pooper. was hoping that there could be an exception for ted born in Canada (no matter the mother) but NOT “born or naturalized in the United States” as the 14th requires . where are the strict constructionists and originalists when you need them?
KGC, his paternal grandparents Frederick Drumpf and Elisabeth Christ were german born. his mother Mary Anne MacLeod and maternal grandparents Alexander MacLeod and Ann MacLeod were born in Scotland.
Did they come here legally?
Citizenship. Kumcho and my daughters were adopted from an orphanage in a rural area of Korea. According to their birth dates, they were borne 8-days apart in 1961. The adoption process was rigorous, as it should be, involving investigations, letters of recommendation and interviews. Once that was completed, they were our kids in the eyes of the Korean government as well as the four of us.
The next step was bringing them to the States. That involved having them included in our family in the eyes of the military and then having them recognized by our Embassy as being eligible for non-quota immigration. More investigations, translations of records, recommendations, medical exams. Finally, their visas were issued and we all flew home to Cleveland together.
A couple of years later, we received orders to Panama. That offered the opportunity for the kids to be naturalized before their normal eligibility. The Naturalization Officer in Columbus said they would still need to take the test and have character witnesses, etc. They were eleven at the time. They passed and Kumcho and I stood with them as they swore their oaths of citizenship in front of a very imposing judge.
The Columbus newspaper heaped praise on them, a Girl Scout troop were honorary witnesses; it was a big deal. All that was 45-years ago–I remember it as if it were yesterday.
Flatus, your family is the poster child for responsible immigration and adoptions of foreign nationals.
Patd, as always in legal matters re: Cruz, it depends. His parents would have had to get a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) , which is recognized as proof of citizenship for a kid born abroad to a US mother (but the father is not a citizen). May be time to say to Ted, let me see your papers.
KC, Fred Trump was born in the Bronx. Birthright citizen.
According to what Trump is saying, even if Fred was born here – it doesn’t matter if Fred’s parents were not here legally. Deport him!
I know what the’s saying – I’m saying he’s wrong. It’s a nice fantasy, though. Prolly would have to kick out 1/4 of the people in the US if he’s right, and that Freedom of the press thing – out with an EO.
I think he is wrong too. Plus he makes a ton of money off those Russian baby mama’s hanging out in South Beach
Can see where it’s going……rigged election they’ll holler……throw it into flux…..voting machines easily tampered with, machines in Texas switching votes…….
Sturg, it’ll have us wishing for the days of hanging chads.
Bobby III must be getting too close to something. Too bad, GOOPERZ, the info on y’all is the info on y’all.
Sunshine will destroy all of the vampires. Happy Halloween!
BiD, they’re so scared looks like they are even hiring hit men (make that hit women) to go after bobby
the guardian:
The FBI has been asked to investigate whether a hoaxer offered women money to make false allegations about Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.
Several journalists and bloggers in the US received an email this month purporting to be from a woman who had been offered money to smear Mueller with bogus claims of inappropriate behaviour decades ago.
After Mueller’s office was told about the email, it referred the matter to federal investigators, who are now likely to examine whether the hoax scheme described in the woman’s email is real – or if the email itself contains false information.
Peter Carr, Mueller’s spokesman, said in a statement on Tuesday: “When we learned last week of allegations that women were offered money to make false claims about the special counsel, we immediately referred the matter to the FBI for investigation.”
This statement itself was rare for Mueller’s office, which has built a reputation over the past 17 months for almost never making public remarks about its activities outside of court hearings and legal filings.
Mueller has come under sustained pressure from Donald Trump and some Republicans in Congress, who have tried to dismiss his investigation as a “witch-hunt”. Mueller has so far obtained criminal convictions of Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort for financial crimes, along with guilty pleas from several people including Mike Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, and Rick Gates, his former deputy campaign chairman.
The sender of the email to journalists and bloggers claimed to be a woman in Florida who had worked with Mueller at a law firm in the 1970s. She said she had been offered $30,000 and other benefits to make false allegations against Mueller. But, she said, Mueller was in fact “always very polite to me, and was never inappropriate”.
The woman identified herself by a name that could not be matched with public records and efforts by journalists to contact her were unsuccessful.
She also said she was told the man behind the scheme was named Jack Burkman. A rightwing talk radio host with that name, who has pushed discredited conspiracy theories in the past, has publicly claimed to know of similar allegations about Mueller.
Burkman, who is also a registered lobbyist in Washington, has in the past raised money to help pay the legal fees of Rick Gates, Donald Trump’s former deputy campaign chairman, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy and lying to the FBI.
Gates recorded a thank-you video message for a fundraiser held by Burkman in Virginia in December 2017, where Burkman described him as “our good friend Rick”. In his message, Gates said: “Jack, thank you for your work, your commitment and your dedication.”
News of the video message prompted the judge in Gates’s case to demand that he explain “the nature of his relationship” with Burkman. Attorneys for Gates confirmed that “he knows” Burkman but said he had “not physically met with him”. An attorney for Gates did not immediately respond to an email on Tuesday.
Flatus – I am so happy for you and your family, even if there is a sadness now. A loving family is so very important to life.
That SFB wants to go to Pittsburg while traditional Jewish funerals are happening can only mean one thing. That he has not gone to any other funeral or death is important too. He avoids death scenes. That he chooses to go to the slaughter scene of Jews is important. He is the white nationalist, anti-Semite, racist who is the leader of the cults. His going as soon as today is only to walk in the blood of the Jews. Hitler would be proud.
Who is this “they” Trump speaks of when talking about an EO to stop birthright citizenship?
Is he hearing voices?
BB – Sadly, that makes sense in Trump world. I hadn’t thought of that. Grim stuff. He’s gruesome.
I suppose Jarred & Ivanker being there give him sort of cover.
Nobody wanted any of them there.
Shame on all of them.
The shunning I proposed.
From WaPo.
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