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Schumer Lost, Pelosi Won
So why is Pelosi being challenged?
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OK, let’s back up – to the FL voter exclusion laws.
I registered to vote in Harrison County in 1993. At that time I had a fairly well written signature with a discernible 12 letters in it. Ten years later we moved to our current home and my voting place changed. I think I had to fill out a new signature card although I won’t swear to that. Regardless, at that time you could still figure out my name by reading my signature. My address was then a Rt/Box number but shortly after changed to a “911” street number on a named street – but my voter card still reflected the old address. (It has since been replaced with the new address – but only after a midterm and a presidential year election.) Now, 15 years later, my signature is 3-4 discernible letters depending upon how quickly I scrawl it. And my driver’s licence reflects teh 911 address, but did not for the period before I replaced it 3 years ago. Under the FL rules, me, a white male, would likely have had my ballot tossed based on lack of a signature match, or inconsistencies between my driver’s licence, voter’s card and voter info on the list the registrars had when I went in to vote. It’s all bullshit. (There, I feel better).
Goodbye Roy, you made me laugh and marvel at your ability to play stringed instruments beautifully.
Yep Nancy won. I do not know why she’s being challenged except to fulfill campaign pledges made by folks who at the time thought that was a good thing to say to make voters know they favored new blood and new ideas (which I think is largely nonsense). Nancy will likely tell them to do what they need to in order to honor their promises to their voters – she’ll have the votes to become speaker I suspect. Or maybe I misread her. Nevertheless, go Nancy. If I had a vote you’d get it.
It’s like an annual event – Let’s Beat Up on Nancy P
Some of newer members taking this position are well stupid because the reason the goopers hate her is because of SF values. I’m sure Marcia Fudge is very good but can she raise a boatload of money and organize a nation wide campaign?
Interesting Rep Pelosi mentioned the “m” word today in a news conference: misogyny, & used it in context of fellow Democrats. Wise, foolish, calling out the opposition – ? Again, interesting to see how this plays.
Have wondered in the past if part of her success in keeping her position (despite being the minority at times) is because of her gender. Who wants to be known as the man challenging the First Woman ( fill in blank ). A powerful card to have.
Schumer – who cares. Plenty of more capable Senators. Plenty more.
It would be helpful in Florida to have equipment that was made by some company still in business and a budget big enough to actually handle the population in the county.
Nancy P the most successful speaker and leader of modern times
Challenging Pelosi is a fools errand. She’s the best vote counter around and you can bet she has or will get the votes. She is largely responsible for dems retaking the house and she has earned the position.
The sad fact is that under the rules of the senate and the republican advantage in numbers the position of minority leader is almost irrelevant. Nobody wants the job. Might as well be Schumer he never met a camera he didn’t love.
Pelosi seems inept during interviews; she reminds me of Aunt Clara on “Bewitched.”
She can’t be Speaker forever. Time for someone new.
RIP to Cousin Roy from “The Beverly Hillbillies” and the cornfield/comedy club on “Hee Haw.”
I’d vote for Pelosi. She’s a nice lady. The only Q is, does she have the stamina to accomplish the Dems’ program ? I say, she does, and a lot more.
Amy Siskind
Leave it to Dems: we spend 2 years knocking doors, calling, texting, post-carding and donating to take the House. Then, when we finally have lawless Trump in our sights, we screw around with divisiveness and whether the most effective Congressional leader ever should lead. STOP!
Soledad O’Brien
@soledadobrien
Rhymes with pissogeny?
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Adam Best
@adamcbest
Rachel Maddow makes a valid point: Nancy Pelosi leads House Democrats to their biggest wave election since Watergate. Senate Dems lost ground in the Senate on Chuck Schumer’s watch. Yet people are calling for Pelosi to be replaced, not Schumer? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Brian Schatz
@brianschatz
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1h
If it’s not Pelosi it would be Hillary. If not Hillary then Obama. If not them then Soros. Or the UN. Or Al Gore. Whatever. They. Always. Create. A villain.
Thank you! @NancyPelosi
fought for me & delivered the votes on Clean Energy & Security Act, Wall St reforms, Student Aid & Fiscal Responsibility Act, ACA, Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, hate crimes leg, repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” I trust Pelosi. She knows the job!
Tweeter named Becca
Nancy Pelosi was set to retire if Hillary Clinton would’ve won & didn’t have her election stolen, blame your damn self she’s still around saving us. I’m tired of people tossing out these lame talking points against Pelosi when they haven’t accomplished an ounce of what she has.
Lily Adams
One of my favorite Pelosi quotes on ACA: “You go through the gate. If the gate’s closed, you go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we’ll pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, we’ll parachute in. But we’re going to get health care reform passed for the American people.”
The above tweeters about covered it. I’d say something also but it would just be a string of expletives deleted.
Franky Stein
@franksnstein
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The Russians want Pelosi gone, the Repubs want Pelosi gone, guess what….she stays!
Matthew Dowd
@matthewjdowd
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13h
Here is part i don’t get: Schumer loses seats in US Senate but is re-elected in his caucus by acclimation. Pelosi has biggest House pickup in more than 40 years, but there are questions about her leadership position. Seems bizarre.
I’m with Sturg.
Topher Spiro
There is no single person more responsible for getting the Affordable Care Act over the finish line than
@NancyPelosi
But some Dems are opposing her because the GOP hates her? Do I have this right?
FL. For the want of a nail.
For the want of a nail a shoe was lost…
MSNBC is reporting that the Broward County recount results were submitted 2 minutes late and won’t be considered.
BiD, bs.
David Roberts
@drvox
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Nov 14
[RW demonizes Gore] Dems: Gore is tainted, we gotta find someone new! [RW demonizes Clinton] Dems: Clinton is tainted, we need someone new! [RW demonizes Pelosi] Dems: Pelosi is tainted, we need someone new! … to be continued, literally forever.
pogo – That’s my view & I am clearly not alone in my opinion of Pelosi. Go shit yourself.
Let’s not accuse Chuck Schumer of losing a Senate seat until he actually has.
BiD, That’s my view of your opinion – and exactly who do you propose should be speaker? I seem to have missed that. Go shit myself? [insert biologically impossible retort here].
Sturg, yes, I think you have that right.
KGC’s link to the Atlantic article is well worth the read. Lends some perspective to the Pelosi debate. She has earned the right to lead the house and there is probably no one better suited to sitting across the table from Trump and McConnell. She doesn’t blink.
Sorry Sturg, et al, but I think Nancy is in trouble. Don’t fully understand it, but there is trouble. She might have to step aside. She’s not handling the questions well, seems clueless. Unfair, for sure, but the drumbeat of the future can be a mean-spirited tune.
I think it depends on how many successful candidates campaigned on a platform of dumping her. If they don’t stick to that promise, they’re toast next time around no matter how good Nancy is.
My question is who is running against Nancy? If Dems are going for anyone but Nancy Dems have lost their minds.
Steny Hoyer would be a better Speaker.
Flatus, here’s my comment from above at 5:20 pm.
Yep Nancy won. I do not know why she’s being challenged except to fulfill campaign pledges made by folks who at the time thought that was a good thing to say to make voters know they favored new blood and new ideas (which I think is largely nonsense). Nancy will likely tell them to do what they need to in order to honor their promises to their voters – she’ll have the votes to become speaker I suspect. Or maybe I misread her. Nevertheless, go Nancy. If I had a vote you’d get it.
i stand by that comment.
Poobah, is Steny running for the post? If so I’m betting he and Nancy have agreed it’s a good idea and Nancy will back him. They have worked together well for a long time or at least it has appeared that way to me. I’m not crazy about an older white male speaker, but I agree that Steny would be competent in the post.
I’ve never liked/been reassured by Steny’s presence. I’m too fatigued to continue on. Nite
If the rippers are spending their small stock of energy and their huge supply of money on defaming Ms Pelosi, I am certain that she is doing something right. If the 17 ‘rebels’ can show that their agenda is being thwarted by Ms Pelosi, let them state that agenda, and put forward a person who is ready to lead on that agenda. I expect that they will lose the caucus vote by a wide margin. Ms Pelosi can groom the younger, ‘more diverse’ Reps for leadership over the next year.
In the meantime, I could accept Steny Hoyer, but he’s even older than Ms Pelosi !
As the Senate is split nearly 50-50, the chance of removing trump within a quark of zero. However, it would be good to at least reveal the trumps’ taxes and the methods by which trump’s russian co-conspiritors responded to his tv appeal to them to expose HRC’s emails. Doing this, but not attempting to remove him, would not arouse public sympathy for trump the way republicani attempt to remove bill clinton aroused sympathy for him.
After years of gop demonizing Pelosi to no avail it would both foolish and shortsighted for dems to do the dirty work for them. On the heels of a tremendous election sucess is smacks of spineless and a failure to get behind the message that got them elected in the first place.
Terrible way to start a new session, especially given that it is the house and nothing else that stands in the way of Trump/republican excesses for the next two years.
If someone who has worked tirelessly for you is in trouble for no good reason, you support them. And there is NO good reason to focus on Nancy rather than on the republicans.
Or you can be a backstabbing weasel and go along with the assholes trying to bring her down.
stupid sons of bitches.
idiots, imbeciles, and morons.
This might be a good time for blocks, stones, and worse than senseless things to read or re-read
THE MARCH OF FOLLY
by Barbara W Tuchman.
“…Steny Hoyer, but he’s even older than Ms Pelosi !”
yeah, he’s male and that seems to make all the difference.
cheri bustos, one of the most up and coming power houses, who is vying for Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair strongly backs Pelosi when recently asked to challenge her. here’s Bloomberg’s assessment of her in their article today
The Democrats Who Could Replace Nancy Pelosi
From Adam Schiff to Hakeem Jeffries to Cheri Bustos, eight contenders—some famous, some not—with their assets and liabilities.
[….] Name: Cheri Bustos, 57Hometown: Moline, IllinoisCurrent position: A co-chair of the Democratic Policy and Communications Committee The case for Bustos: She’s a telegenic former journalist who has served in the House since 2013. She played a key role in steering the party’s successful midterm election messaging. She now is running for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairmanship. Liabilities: While she has developed a highly recognizable profile and portfolio as a strategic communicator among her House colleagues, some suggest she needs more experience in other party leadership roles, below speaker.
OK, let’s back up – to the FL voter exclusion laws.
I registered to vote in Harrison County in 1993. At that time I had a fairly well written signature with a discernible 12 letters in it. Ten years later we moved to our current home and my voting place changed. I think I had to fill out a new signature card although I won’t swear to that. Regardless, at that time you could still figure out my name by reading my signature. My address was then a Rt/Box number but shortly after changed to a “911” street number on a named street – but my voter card still reflected the old address. (It has since been replaced with the new address – but only after a midterm and a presidential year election.) Now, 15 years later, my signature is 3-4 discernible letters depending upon how quickly I scrawl it. And my driver’s licence reflects teh 911 address, but did not for the period before I replaced it 3 years ago. Under the FL rules, me, a white male, would likely have had my ballot tossed based on lack of a signature match, or inconsistencies between my driver’s licence, voter’s card and voter info on the list the registrars had when I went in to vote. It’s all bullshit. (There, I feel better).
Goodbye Roy, you made me laugh and marvel at your ability to play stringed instruments beautifully.
Yep Nancy won. I do not know why she’s being challenged except to fulfill campaign pledges made by folks who at the time thought that was a good thing to say to make voters know they favored new blood and new ideas (which I think is largely nonsense). Nancy will likely tell them to do what they need to in order to honor their promises to their voters – she’ll have the votes to become speaker I suspect. Or maybe I misread her. Nevertheless, go Nancy. If I had a vote you’d get it.
It’s like an annual event – Let’s Beat Up on Nancy P
Some of newer members taking this position are well stupid because the reason the goopers hate her is because of SF values. I’m sure Marcia Fudge is very good but can she raise a boatload of money and organize a nation wide campaign?
Interesting Rep Pelosi mentioned the “m” word today in a news conference: misogyny, & used it in context of fellow Democrats. Wise, foolish, calling out the opposition – ? Again, interesting to see how this plays.
Have wondered in the past if part of her success in keeping her position (despite being the minority at times) is because of her gender. Who wants to be known as the man challenging the First Woman ( fill in blank ). A powerful card to have.
Schumer – who cares. Plenty of more capable Senators. Plenty more.
It would be helpful in Florida to have equipment that was made by some company still in business and a budget big enough to actually handle the population in the county.
Nancy P the most successful speaker and leader of modern times
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-nancy-pelosi-problem/554048/
Challenging Pelosi is a fools errand. She’s the best vote counter around and you can bet she has or will get the votes. She is largely responsible for dems retaking the house and she has earned the position.
The sad fact is that under the rules of the senate and the republican advantage in numbers the position of minority leader is almost irrelevant. Nobody wants the job. Might as well be Schumer he never met a camera he didn’t love.
Pelosi seems inept during interviews; she reminds me of Aunt Clara on “Bewitched.”
She can’t be Speaker forever. Time for someone new.
RIP to Cousin Roy from “The Beverly Hillbillies” and the cornfield/comedy club on “Hee Haw.”
I’d vote for Pelosi. She’s a nice lady. The only Q is, does she have the stamina to accomplish the Dems’ program ? I say, she does, and a lot more.
Amy Siskind
Leave it to Dems: we spend 2 years knocking doors, calling, texting, post-carding and donating to take the House. Then, when we finally have lawless Trump in our sights, we screw around with divisiveness and whether the most effective Congressional leader ever should lead. STOP!
Soledad O’Brien
@soledadobrien
Rhymes with pissogeny?
Quote Tweet
Adam Best
@adamcbest
Rachel Maddow makes a valid point: Nancy Pelosi leads House Democrats to their biggest wave election since Watergate. Senate Dems lost ground in the Senate on Chuck Schumer’s watch. Yet people are calling for Pelosi to be replaced, not Schumer? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
0:58
374.2K views
Brian Schatz
@brianschatz
·
1h
If it’s not Pelosi it would be Hillary. If not Hillary then Obama. If not them then Soros. Or the UN. Or Al Gore. Whatever. They. Always. Create. A villain.
Thank you! @NancyPelosi
fought for me & delivered the votes on Clean Energy & Security Act, Wall St reforms, Student Aid & Fiscal Responsibility Act, ACA, Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, hate crimes leg, repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” I trust Pelosi. She knows the job!
Tweeter named Becca
Nancy Pelosi was set to retire if Hillary Clinton would’ve won & didn’t have her election stolen, blame your damn self she’s still around saving us. I’m tired of people tossing out these lame talking points against Pelosi when they haven’t accomplished an ounce of what she has.
Lily Adams
One of my favorite Pelosi quotes on ACA: “You go through the gate. If the gate’s closed, you go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we’ll pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, we’ll parachute in. But we’re going to get health care reform passed for the American people.”
The above tweeters about covered it. I’d say something also but it would just be a string of expletives deleted.
Franky Stein
@franksnstein
·
The Russians want Pelosi gone, the Repubs want Pelosi gone, guess what….she stays!
Matthew Dowd
@matthewjdowd
·
13h
Here is part i don’t get: Schumer loses seats in US Senate but is re-elected in his caucus by acclimation. Pelosi has biggest House pickup in more than 40 years, but there are questions about her leadership position. Seems bizarre.
I’m with Sturg.
Topher Spiro
There is no single person more responsible for getting the Affordable Care Act over the finish line than
@NancyPelosi
But some Dems are opposing her because the GOP hates her? Do I have this right?
FL. For the want of a nail.
For the want of a nail a shoe was lost…
MSNBC is reporting that the Broward County recount results were submitted 2 minutes late and won’t be considered.
BiD, bs.
David Roberts
@drvox
·
Nov 14
[RW demonizes Gore] Dems: Gore is tainted, we gotta find someone new! [RW demonizes Clinton] Dems: Clinton is tainted, we need someone new! [RW demonizes Pelosi] Dems: Pelosi is tainted, we need someone new! … to be continued, literally forever.
pogo – That’s my view & I am clearly not alone in my opinion of Pelosi. Go shit yourself.
Let’s not accuse Chuck Schumer of losing a Senate seat until he actually has.
BiD, That’s my view of your opinion – and exactly who do you propose should be speaker? I seem to have missed that. Go shit myself? [insert biologically impossible retort here].
Sturg, yes, I think you have that right.
KGC’s link to the Atlantic article is well worth the read. Lends some perspective to the Pelosi debate. She has earned the right to lead the house and there is probably no one better suited to sitting across the table from Trump and McConnell. She doesn’t blink.
Sorry Sturg, et al, but I think Nancy is in trouble. Don’t fully understand it, but there is trouble. She might have to step aside. She’s not handling the questions well, seems clueless. Unfair, for sure, but the drumbeat of the future can be a mean-spirited tune.
I think it depends on how many successful candidates campaigned on a platform of dumping her. If they don’t stick to that promise, they’re toast next time around no matter how good Nancy is.
My question is who is running against Nancy? If Dems are going for anyone but Nancy Dems have lost their minds.
Steny Hoyer would be a better Speaker.
Flatus, here’s my comment from above at 5:20 pm.
i stand by that comment.
Poobah, is Steny running for the post? If so I’m betting he and Nancy have agreed it’s a good idea and Nancy will back him. They have worked together well for a long time or at least it has appeared that way to me. I’m not crazy about an older white male speaker, but I agree that Steny would be competent in the post.
I’ve never liked/been reassured by Steny’s presence. I’m too fatigued to continue on. Nite
If the rippers are spending their small stock of energy and their huge supply of money on defaming Ms Pelosi, I am certain that she is doing something right. If the 17 ‘rebels’ can show that their agenda is being thwarted by Ms Pelosi, let them state that agenda, and put forward a person who is ready to lead on that agenda. I expect that they will lose the caucus vote by a wide margin. Ms Pelosi can groom the younger, ‘more diverse’ Reps for leadership over the next year.
In the meantime, I could accept Steny Hoyer, but he’s even older than Ms Pelosi !
As the Senate is split nearly 50-50, the chance of removing trump within a quark of zero. However, it would be good to at least reveal the trumps’ taxes and the methods by which trump’s russian co-conspiritors responded to his tv appeal to them to expose HRC’s emails. Doing this, but not attempting to remove him, would not arouse public sympathy for trump the way republicani attempt to remove bill clinton aroused sympathy for him.
After years of gop demonizing Pelosi to no avail it would both foolish and shortsighted for dems to do the dirty work for them. On the heels of a tremendous election sucess is smacks of spineless and a failure to get behind the message that got them elected in the first place.
Terrible way to start a new session, especially given that it is the house and nothing else that stands in the way of Trump/republican excesses for the next two years.
If someone who has worked tirelessly for you is in trouble for no good reason, you support them. And there is NO good reason to focus on Nancy rather than on the republicans.
Or you can be a backstabbing weasel and go along with the assholes trying to bring her down.
stupid sons of bitches.
idiots, imbeciles, and morons.
This might be a good time for blocks, stones, and worse than senseless things to read or re-read
THE MARCH OF FOLLY
by Barbara W Tuchman.
“…Steny Hoyer, but he’s even older than Ms Pelosi !”
yeah, he’s male and that seems to make all the difference.
cheri bustos, one of the most up and coming power houses, who is vying for Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair strongly backs Pelosi when recently asked to challenge her. here’s Bloomberg’s assessment of her in their article today
The Democrats Who Could Replace Nancy Pelosi
From Adam Schiff to Hakeem Jeffries to Cheri Bustos, eight contenders—some famous, some not—with their assets and liabilities.
[….]
Name: Cheri Bustos, 57Hometown: Moline, IllinoisCurrent position: A co-chair of the Democratic Policy and Communications Committee
The case for Bustos: She’s a telegenic former journalist who has served in the House since 2013. She played a key role in steering the party’s successful midterm election messaging. She now is running for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairmanship.
Liabilities: While she has developed a highly recognizable profile and portfolio as a strategic communicator among her House colleagues, some suggest she needs more experience in other party leadership roles, below speaker.