Every new beginning comes from some other beginning’s end.

— Marcus Annaeus Seneca (54 BC – 39 AD), aka Seneca the Elder

By Blue Bronc, a Trail Mix Contributor

One of the current hot topics of the talking heads is the speed at which advertisers are leaving the Laura, the lip, Ingraham show on Fox.  They talk about all sorts of reasons, afraid of being seen as supporting hate.  Add in they are concerned about losing the generation of Millennials.

Looking at the cable channels viewership you see a lot of people watching Fox, MSNBC and CNN.  Lots of people in the older age brackets.  The Baby Boomers and on the edge of the Boomers, who are retiring or ending their working careers and looking forward to time in the garden.  Unless there are special circumstances they are not buying new homes or furnishing new apartments or condos.  They are not buying a lot of new cars and trucks.

The advertisers know where their ads are showing.  They buy the data from the online companies and from the cable providers.  They know when and who is watching the programs.  Although a lot of ads are sold in bundles and the advertisers do not know exactly when an ad is run, they can find out and when they receive a tweet or an email, they know when someone does not like it.

The generation who is in the sights of the advertisers are not on cable television.  They are on phones and tablets.  They are using streaming tools.  They are using social media.  That is why the advertisers pull the ads back from showing.  The loss of advertisers for O’Reilly and now Ingraham should not be seen as odd. These should be seen as the new normal for shows.

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Born in Detroit when Truman was president, survived the rest of them. Early on I learned that FDR was the greatest president, which has withstood all attempts to change that image. Democratic Party, flaming liberal, Progressive, equality for all and a believer in we are all human and deserve respect and understanding. College educated, a couple of degrees, a lot of world experience and tons of fun. US Air Force (pre-MRE days). Oil and gas fields, computer rooms and stuff beyond anything I can talk about. It has been quite a life so far. The future is making my retirement boat my home. Dogs, cats and other critters fill my life with happiness. Retired on Chesapeake Bay.

100 thoughts on “Every new beginning comes from some other beginning’s end.”

  1. Many many moons ago, I booked the National commercials for a radio station.  The orders that came in would request hours (i.e morning shows, evening drive time etc.) The agencies would handle the part about age (25 – 54), ratings in a market, cost per minute and so on.  The companies usually didn’t know specifically where they were running until a month end billing, although there were guidelines.  i.e. if there was a plane crash anywhere all airline commercials automatically came down for at least three days without the agency having call all the outlets.

    Back then it was rare to have a full blown boycott of any kind.  Now that virtually all media is much more homogenized and corporately owned over national outlets such as Sinclair, they can be way more effective since what happens on Twitter, happens on Facebook, happen on Network TV, happens on radio, happens on cable.

  2. Excellent post BB – sometimes the boycotts work.  I think they are reacting to consumers who don’t understand the need to falsely attack traumatized 

    Happy Anniverary to the Blonde Winos –

  3. Here’s how you know SFB is just ugh…..he didn’t have an entry for March Madness and he doesn’t have a musical playlist.   And he has no friends

  4. The best jobs I ever had/have were jobs and positions that I helped to create.  I really hope that the Democrats have cued into this and vigorously grow these young kids into progressive voters – I work with them every day – they’re young and altruistic and haven’t been brainwashed by greed and promise of a non-existent American Dream.

    They are ripe for the picking!

  5. Very pleased with Hogg’s response to the Ingraham attack.

    the kid’s got game

    The kids are winning, and the foxists are befuddled and perplexed.

    good job David.

    Moral: Don’t “play nice”——-Fight Back.

  6. I heard an interesting stat about youth voters  very excited about voting in the 18-21 category but by the time they are 25  not so much

  7. looking at the list of advertisers, noticed that bayer is one.  their marketing study must have shown they could sell a whole lot of aspirin to relieve the headaches she causes her viewers.

  8. Moral: Don’t “play nice”——-Fight Back.

    AMEN!

    Absolutely the Millennials are the up and coming consumers.  They are getting married, buying houses, and having kids now.  But do they vote?… and if not… what must we do to put a fire under their butts to do so.  I know I talk to my nieces and nephew…  happily, they all vote.  They understand that their futures are on the line.

  9. Also from the same study — if you start voting at 18 and your parents voted you are more likely to keep voting

  14. The NRA will probably pony up the money lost from sponsorship of her sideshow.  Gotta keep their shills on the air.

    I do wonder if companies would have had  the presence of mind to pull their ads after Laura’s nasty attack on Mr. Hogg if he hadn’t tweeted her list of sponsors, or, if  it’s mostly just self-preservation and they would’ve known enough to cut ties.

    Either way, I’m glad he did call out her sponsors and and that it’s hitting Faux in the wallet, which is the only thing Repugz actually care about.

    In a way, it’s a good thing she opened her mouth because it keeps the focus on gun violence and the entity (NRA) and political party (Republican) that support it.

    Well, not good, but it didn’t do what she intended which was to try to discredit him and slow down the movement. It’s bigger than him, it’s bigger than Parkland, it’s not going away. I guess the NRA contingent doesn’t understand that yet.

     

  16. One thing about cable news economics is they make their big money from providers who pay to air the channel. I think FOX gets something like $3 per subscriber from DirectTV for example. In other words, they are not as dependent on advertisers as we think. Or on ratings, because they get those payments no matter how many viewers they have, altho the size of the payments is roughly tied to how popular the channel is with subscribers.

  17. Still, it makes advertisers and consumers think about the message they are sending and supporting.

  19. In re nicknames and such…….am reminded of this poor child a couple of years older than I in high school named Ima Hogg. Her parents gave her that name. She was a hefty farm girl, not very pretty, and suffered mightily from her classmates. They didn’t even have to make up a nickname.   She finally just quit coming to school.

     

  21. Ima is not a great name to give a kid IMHO – too much opportunity for mischief from one’s peers regardless of the last name that follows..

  22. In the spirit of Holy Week, l.i. and fakes news ought to be buried for 3 days, just to see if it takes.

  23. sturge, you can’t be that old! your Ima must have been a namesake.  here’s a blurb from visit Houston about her home:

     ……Bayou Bend, the sprawling estate and cultural mecca in Houston’s Memorial Park. In 1927, legendary Texas philanthropist Miss Ima Hogg (yes Virginia, there really was an Ima Hogg) and her brothers saw promise in 14 swampish acres on the edge of Buffalo Bayou, just a few miles west of downtown. Today, Bayou Bend is a quiet oasis in the midst of this bustling metropolis and home to a spectacular collection of American decorative arts spanning more than two centuries…….

  24. pogo, tell that to ms hogg’s family

    wiki says: .Ima Hogg (July 10, 1882 – August 19, 1975), known as “The First Lady of Texas”, was an American society leader, philanthropist, patron and collector of the arts, and one of the most respected women in Texas during the 20th century.

    [….]

    Hogg was the daughter of Sarah Ann “Sallie” Stinson and James Stephen “Big Jim” Hogg, later attorney general and governor of the state. Ima Hogg’s first name was taken from The Fate of Marvin, an epic poem written by her uncle Thomas Hogg. She endeavored to downplay her unusual name by signing her first name illegibly and having her stationery printed with “I. Hogg” or “Miss Hogg”. Although it was rumored that Hogg had a sister named “Ura Hogg”, she had only brothers. ….

     

  25. the hill:
    The official legal defense fund established to help fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe raised nearly $400,000 in just one day.
    A GoFundMe page was set up by friends on Thursday to raise $250,000 for McCabe’s legal defense.
    More than $386,000 was donated in just 17 hours. As of Friday morning, almost 9,000 people had contributed. 
    McCabe is facing congressional inquiries and probes into his conduct by the Justice Department’s inspector general.
    He might also be considering “potential lawsuits,” the GoFundMe page reads. Any leftover money will be donated to charity.
    “Andrew McCabe’s FBI career was long, distinguished, and unblemished,” the GoFundMe page reads. “His reward for that has been a termination that was completely unjustified, amidst repeated ad hominem attacks by the President of the United States.”
    [….]

  26. Omnis in ignis in natura renovatura est, as they said more concisely back in old Seneca’s day.

  27. And now for something really important!

    A horse by the name of Gronkowski has qualified for the 2018 Kentucky Derby.

    That’s gotta be my horse…  Go, Gronk… go!

  28. worthy read op ed in wapo by retired army officer ralph peters: Why I left Fox News

    [….]

    As I wrote in an internal Fox memo, leaked and widely disseminated, I declined to renew my contract as Fox News’s strategic analyst because of the network’s propagandizing for the Trump administration. Today’s Fox prime-time lineup preaches paranoia, attacking processes and institutions vital to our republic and challenging the rule of law.
     
    Four decades ago, as a U.S. Army second lieutenant, I took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution.” In moral and ethical terms, that oath never expires. As Fox’s assault on our constitutional order intensified, spearheaded by its after-dinner demagogues, I had no choice but to leave.
    [….]
    As early as the fall of 2016, and especially as doubts mounted about the new Trump administration’s national security vulnerabilities, I increasingly was blocked from speaking on the issues about which I could offer real expertise: Russian affairs and our intelligence community. I did not hide my views at Fox and, as word spread that I would not unswervingly support President Trump and, worse, that I believed an investigation into Russian interference was essential to our national security, I was excluded from segments that touched on Vladimir Putin’s possible influence on an American president, his campaign or his administration.
     
    I was the one person on the Fox payroll who, trained in Russian studies and the Russian language, had been face to face with Russian intelligence officers in the Kremlin and in far-flung provinces. I have traveled widely in and written extensively about the region. Yet I could only rarely and briefly comment on the paramount security question of our time: whether Putin and his security services ensnared the man who would become our president. Trump’s behavior patterns and evident weaknesses (financial entanglements, lack of self-control and sense of sexual entitlement) would have made him an ideal blackmail target — and the Russian security apparatus plays a long game.
    As indictments piled up, though, I could not even discuss the mechanics of how the Russians work on either Fox News or Fox Business…..

    […]

    Fox never tried to put words in my mouth, nor was I told explicitly that I was taboo on Trump-Putin matters. I simply was no longer called on for topics central to my expertise. I was relegated to Groundhog Day analysis of North Korea and the Middle East, or to Russia-related news that didn’t touch the administration. Listening to political hacks with no knowledge of things Russian tell the vast Fox audience that the special counsel’s investigation was a “witch hunt,” while I could not respond, became too much to bear. There is indeed a witch hunt, and it’s led by Fox against Robert Mueller.
    The cascade of revelations about the Russia-related crimes of Trump associates was dismissed, adamantly, as “fake news” by prime-time hosts who themselves generate fake news blithely.

     
    Then there was Fox’s assault on our intelligence community — in which I had served, from the dirty-boots tactical level to strategic work in the Pentagon (with forays that stretched from Russia through Pakistan to Burma and Bolivia and elsewhere)……
    [….]
    With my Soviet-studies background, the cult of Trump unnerves me. For our society’s health, no one, not even a president, can be above criticism — or the law.
     
    I must stress that there are many honorable and talented professionals at the Fox channels, superb reporters, some gutsy hosts, and adept technicians and staff. But Trump idolaters and the merrily hypocritical prime-time hosts are destroying the network — no matter how profitable it may remain.
     
    The day my memo leaked, a journalist asked me how I felt. Usually quick with a reply, I struggled, amid a cyclone of emotions, to think of the right words. After perhaps 30 seconds of silence, I said, “Free.”
     

     

  30. craig, according to cnn:

    She will continue to be represented by New York-based Mariann Wang, who, in a statement, thanked Allred and her firm of Allred Maroko and Goldberg for their work on the case.
    “We look forward to proving her claim,” Wang said of Zervos in a statement to CNN.

    wang’s online profile:
    Mariann Wang attorney
    Prior to founding Cuti Hecker Wang LLP, Mariann Meier Wang previously worked at a variety of civil rights law firms, including the ACLU and an international human rights law group in London, as well as a large commercial law firm in New York City.

    click here for her credentials and cases now pending: http://www.cutiheckerwang.com/mariann-wang.html
     

  31. I’ve always subscribed to the precept that if I haven’t voted, I’ve forfeited my right to bitch about the government that I’m stuck with. I’ve not yet missed an election. Nor did Kumcho.

    And, later today, the First Passover Seder. May we all enjoy peace and joy.

     

  34. OMG, David Hogg is  not  bullying Ingram. She waged a personal attack against a teenager who survived a mass murder at his high school.  He just called her on her shit…and took action.

    That is what scares the crap out of her and her overlords st the NRA.  Hogg and his generation are taking action.

    The alt-right is off the rails, as usual, but they are extra rattled.

  35. Here’s an ad for Miracle Ear: Take em out or turn em down so you won’t hear crazy, mean stuff on Fox.  Better yet, turn the channel.

     

     

  36. John Dean

    Congratulations to  for successfully taking on Laura Ingraham, who has used her bully microphone for years without consequences. Her attacks on LeBron James and Dwyane Wade were racist. Her attack on David Hogg was her natural viciousness & typical of Trump admirers.

  38. Good for Mr. Hogg, but…

    Fox will just replace Ingraham will someone as contemptible, or worse, should it come to that.  Look at Tucker Carlson- as awful as O’Reilly was, Carlson peddles in propaganda, disinformation, and irresponsible rabble-rousing to an an even greater extent than his loofah-wielding predecessor.

    Cut FoxNews form your cable package, altogether.  I’d even recommend cutting anything Rupurt Murdoch related, like FX, Fox Sports, whatever.  Guy is an Australian poisoning our culture with our own infrastructure.

  40. Yes, but meanwhile it’s comforting to know that Ms Ingraham has to eat the big dookie sandwich.
    As everyone knows there ain’t much bread on the big dookie sandwich.
    calling cable company Monday.

  41. Hooray!

    I get 40 HD over-air channels with this.

    http://www.ontvtonight.com/guide/

    That’s your 21st century TV Guide

    (Tell the cable company you made an antenna and they’ll throw free stuff at you to try to retain your business, btw)

    One how-to i saw used a piece of posterboard and the wire was just taped to it with packaging tape- very clever, almost no tools required besides a wire stripper

  42. I am trying to put together what is going on with the federal government, the media, and 2018 elections.

    This is not easy, and would require me to fire up the AWS system and write a lot of code.  Yes, it can be done.  But, I will rely on my brain instead of AWS and a lot of software to grind through the data.  Oh, AWS is Amazon Web Services, one of the massive cloud services providers.  Microsoft is another.

    Right now we have a president, head of the executive branch, destroying one third of the American trilogy.  We have a media which tries to normalize a very low intelligence person, and his idiotic actions.

    What will happen in the 2018 elections?  Right now all indications point to a massive Dem overtaking of the House and Senate.  Will it happen?  Damned if I know.  I am looking at other countries which might take refugees.

  43. Stalked by ads for blue tooth hearing aids.

    Good Passover

    Can you believe the march was just last Saturday?

  44. Happy Passover, Merry Easter, and a Joyous Weekend to all who follow the Trail, and to Lurkers of Good Will everywhere !

  45. Yep sometimes being passed over is a good thing.

    like not being hired by the current administration.

  46. Jamie & david, alert team Blank and White the experts of all things movies.

    esquire:

    Netflix Wants to Pay You Good Money to Binge Watch Netflix

    Today could be the day you finally land that dream job.
    Netflix is hiring people to handle the enormous number of new TV shows and movies it’s dumping into its library in the coming year. It just posted a job opening for an editorial analyst of original content, whose responsibilities will include to “watch, research, rate, tag, annotate and write analysis for movie and TV content.”
     
    Basically, Netflix is hiring someone to binge watch Netflix.
    The job requires you to know a thing or two about TV and movies (check), be able to summarize what you watch (check), and have a pair of eyeballs you’re willing to dedicate to hours of screen time (check—aren’t you already?). And Netflix has a history of good original content, from riveting documentaries like Wild, Wild Country to new-age Westerns like Godless to darkly awesome teen shows like The End of the F***ing World. There’s bound to be some more gems in the 700 shows it’s making for 2018.
    As Steve Jobs once said, “The only way to do great work is to love what you do.” Go get ’em.
     

  48. saw this and fantasized a different sort of 1st lady who just happens to be a beautiful immigrant married to a rich American celebrity

    the guardian:
    Prominent human rights lawyer Amal Clooney has joined the legal team representing two Reuters journalists detained in Myanmar.
     
    A court in Yangon has been holding preliminary hearings since January to decide whether Wa Lone, 31, and Kyaw Soe Oo, 28, will be charged under the colonial-era Officials Secrets Act, which carries a maximum penalty of 14 years in prison.
    […]

     
    “Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo are being prosecuted simply because they reported the news,” Clooney, who is married to actor George Clooney, said in a statement released by her office.
     
    “I have reviewed the case file and it is clear beyond doubt that the two journalists are innocent and should be released immediately.
     
    “The outcome of this case will tell us a lot about Myanmar’s commitment to the rule of law and freedom of speech.”
    [….]

    The Reuters chief counsel, Gail Gove, said retaining Clooney would strengthen the company’s international legal expertise and broaden efforts to secure the release of the journalists.

    [….continues….]

     

  50. wapo:  From Mueller to Stormy to ‘emoluments,’ Trump’s business is under siege
    The carefully maintained secrecy around President Trump’s finances is under unprecedented assault a year into his presidency, with three different legal teams with different agendas trying to pry open the Trump Organization’s books.
     
    On one side is special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who has subpoenaed Trump Organization documents as part of his wide-ranging investigation into the 2016 campaign. On another is Stormy Daniels, the adult-film actress seeking internal correspondence as part of her effort to be freed from a nondisclosure agreement centering on an alleged affair with Trump.
     
    And in the most direct assault, the District and Maryland have sued Trump, alleging that he is improperly accepting gifts, or “emoluments,” from foreign or state governments through his businesses, including his hotels. A federal judge ruled Wednesday that the case can proceed, opening the way for the plaintiffs to seek at least a portion of Trump’s tax returns, which the president has refused to release.
    “I think under pretty much any reading of the judge’s order, we can get discovery of his personal financial information in that it relates to payments from foreign and domestic governments,” Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D) said. He and D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) also plan to seek other documents related to the president’s D.C. hotel.

     
    The inquiries are exposing the risks Trump took on when he made the decision to maintain ownership of the company that bears his name while serving in the White House — a departure from 40 years of presidential tradition and the advice of ethics officials. Previous presidents have chosen to fully divest their assets. When Trump took office, he instead put his stake in his company into a trust managed by his sons, accessible to him at any time.

     
    Now, what initially seemed like a plum arrangement for Trump — enjoying the fruits of his business while running the country — may come back to harm the Trump Organization if it is forced to reveal the kind of financial information and private correspondence that real estate firms closely guard.
    […continues…]

  51. As others have noted, it was only seven days ago the March took place.  Something else has been occurring in parallel, SFB has been quiet.  It is like his tweet machine has been taken away from him.  Perhaps someone (whose name might rhyme with Putin) told him to shut up otherwise he will be sitting in a cell in Florence, Colorado.

    I wish no fun times on the anti-LGBTQ woman Ingraham during her “week off”.

  53. bbronc, she could spend her week-off in penance wearing a haute couture hair shirt but should spare the flagellation if she’s normally into that sort of thing.

  54. Bink and Sturg, you got it. An effective cable subscriber campaign to get cheaper packages without FOX NEWS would really hit them where it hurts. These are 2014 numbers, but gets the point across: “Around 58% of Fox News’ revenues are derived from licensing fees. Fox News has more than 97 million subscribers in the U.S. and charges close to $0.82 monthly subscription fees which are passed on to subscribers, according to our estimates. This translates into annual subscription revenues of close to $1 billion.” (Forbes)

  58. craig, did you get a chance to see your old boss Jmmy last night on Colbert?

    Right off the bat, host Stephen Colbert joked that “we could use a nice guy in the Oval Office.” The 93-year-old demurred, jokingly blaming an age limit on his decision not to run for president in 2020. 

    Calling him a “nice guy,” Colbert asked him if he thinks America wants a jerk for president, and Carter deadpanned, “Apparently, from this recent election year.”
    During the lively appearance, the 39th president wryly told Colbert the one trait he thinks a president should have: “To [be able to] tell the truth, but I changed my mind lately.”
    The duo then talked about prayer, with Carter revealing that he regularly prays that Trump will not use nuclear weapons and that he would support human rights. “Do you think your prayers are being answered?” Colbert asked. Carter responded with an anecdote from his pastor: “When you pray, God has one of three answers: yes, no and you’ve got to be kidding. Not sure which one [with Trump] it is yet.”
    Of his book, he said everyone is born with some degree of faith but “it takes faith of courage to have love for people who are different, or enemies of ours.” Colbert agreed that that is the most difficult kind of love and asked Carter how he deals with political enemies, to which he replied that he tries to forget about them. Colbert then joked, “You’ve also outlived most of them,” before presenting him with a “Carter 2020” campaign t-shirt. 
     

  60. RR

    Gronkowski will have to make his way up the leader board.

    Here are the current standings that should be updated on Monday once the weekend qualifying races have been run.

    So far my three favorites are Enticed, Magnum Moon, and Quip

     

  61. Lot of nice names, but I’ll go with Vino Rosso, because who doesn’t like Vino Rosso?

  65. Quip, Peace, and Marconi have to be real winners. They have names that I can understand and relate to.

  67. sturge, excellent choice… good way to while away the last march day.  here are more of his music

  68. x-r,  if it’s only based on the rationale “They have names that I can understand and relate to” then ’tis Tiz Mischief for me.  

  70. “Thompson…….FUCK the doomed!”

    —-Richard Nixon, to Hunter Thompson standing at the adjacent urinal.

  71. More lies from FoxNews.com:

    Some students walked out of a high school in Florida to support the 2nd Amendment, this past week, and for the article about it, FoxNews.com is using a photo of the March 20th Anti-Gun Violence walkout from the same school, to make it seem as if more students participated in the pro-Gun walk-out.  Just despicable.

     

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/students-at-florida-high-school-stage-walkout-in-support-second-amendment.html

    Don’t click on that, unless you want to generate ad revenue for FN.  I did and regret it.

  72. The cable company that monopolizes my area already has a la carte pricing, KGC.  Like I said, everyone my age and younger is cutting their cable, so companies are doing what they can to retain business.

    In a hyper-capitalist society, your wallet is a weapon- use it.

  73. Regarding Ms ingraham and most of the far right “religious” types, they are great at making themselves the victims.  No christmas presents because you are stuck in Action, AL, with your mistress in an ice storm, easy, just blame the Dems for banning Christmas.  When your church membership falls from 82% of the population all the way to 79%, easy, just blame the Dems for banning your religion.

    In my avoid SFB for a while I went over to visit New Londontowne, MD.  A place my great-grandparents seven or eight would have seen and visited in late 1600’s.  It is a beautiful spring afternoon and many plants and trees were in bloom.  Looking out at the South River, where somewhere on her banks, John Greene and Elizabeth (Judy) Lobb were married in 1682, made me so anxious to be out on the water.  It was calm and peaceful.  A deep blue sky and blue waters of the South River and Chesapeake Bay brings happiness to all who absorb the sensation nature provides.

    Then a side trip to All Hallows Church, where a few of my ancestors were members in the 1600’s and 1700’s.  It is humbling to see an eight foot tree stump.  That tree lived many years before requiring a trim to ground level to save the 1728 church from becoming rubble.

  75. Ms Bronc,

    Do you know how the New Londontowne water was in the 1600s ? A lot of those Maryland river towns were unable to get fresh water from their wells. Too much salt in the drinking water resulted in skeletal diseases such as brittle bones.

    Tidewater Virginia and Maryland also suffered terribly from malaria that colonists brought from the Old World. Malaria raged until colonists drove their black slaves to drain the wetlands. Massachusetts also suffered from malaria, but the Puritans had to destroy the wetlands themselves.

  76. THE SOT-WEED FACTOR, by John Barth, took place in that neck of the woods I believe

    Book of the Month last month…….

  77. XR – Unfortunately a lot of stuff was never even thought of back then.  They learned a lot the hard way.  I was talking with one of the docents at the William Brown House about drinking, something about featured on Booze Traveler, and how the drink was in a bowl and everyone just passed it around.  Herd immunity the hard way.

    The 1600,’s were just leaving the middle ages.  Shakespeare had recently departed this Earth.  Learning to live in the wilderness being tamed took a lot of lives, Native American and colonists.  I am Native American on both sides of my parents, but have taken the fate of my ancestors at the hands of Europeans very seriously all my life, even before I knew my genetics. I am angered about what happened back almost four hundred years, and even more so as it continues to this day.

  78. Ms Bronc,

    I don’t think there was a wilderness, at least none east of the Mississippi, back in those days. There were a lot of Indian villages and small towns – until the Old World maladies of small pox, measles, malaria, yellow fever, brucellosis, bubonic plague, chicken pox, trichinosis, influenza, and polio nearly annihilated them. After all that, there was plenty of wilderness.

  79. XR – it was wilderness in the 1600’s, from the Atlantic coasts to the Pacific Coast.    The NA villages were wide spread and the population dispersed, and somewhat nomadic. My focus is Mid-Atlantic, from North Carolina to New York as modern reference.  By the 1700’s most of the NA population had been forced to certain areas, or part of the population by marriage, like my ancestors. When Col. G. Washington went off to fight the French and Indians in 1753 he went into a wilderness, which was about 100 miles from the coast of the Atlantic.  In 1755 my ancestors moved up a trail into the Pennsylvania  wilderness near what his now Bedford.  They were clearing land when the NA attacked and massacred the family just north of my ancestors.  My family high tailed it back to Maryland. Then they fought in the Revolutionary War. Then they went back up north into the Pennsylvania wilderness.

    I do accept at sometime the Europeans introduced diseases to kill Native Americans.  I also know my ancestors did not do that, in fact giving all their slave freeman papers; and then living with their former slaves.

    Not all Europeans were bad, many were people mixing and living with other people who were not white, but able to help and live with them.

  80. Watching Loyola C –  it’s a Cinderella story. Up by 7 over Big Blue at the half.

  81. i didn’t even put it together until i just looked at the calendar:

    “April 1- Easter, April Fools’ Day”

    hahahahaha

  82. Ms Bronc,

    Of course Europeans weren’t all, or even mostly, bad. However, they brought diseases they didn’t even know about to the Western Hemisphere, and that brought a catastrophe from Point Barrow to Tierra del Fuego.

    I recommend the books 1491 and 1493 by Charles Mann. According to Mann, archeological evidence turned up since the ’90s indicates that North America was thickly populated before contact, but that a wave of epidemics spread north from the Gulf Coast area after the mid 1500s, when Desoto arrived with 300 pigs and trudged from Georgia to Texas. When the Jamestown Colonists arrived in 1617, Powhatan’s kingdom was as large Wales, and contained scores of settled villages and scores of towns. Within 50 years hardly any of these Indians remained. The same thing happened in Massachusetts. The colonies survived only because black slaves, many with the sickle cell adaptation, were able to work the wet, malarial areas, while the white owners avoided the mosquitoes in drier areas.

  83. By the time of Col. Washington, 80 – 90% of the North American Indian population was gone, through inadvertent, completely accidental, spread of ‘Old World’ diseases. There was never any need for Lord jeffrey amherst to send infected blankets. The catastrophe was mostly done by then. Amherst’s murderous deed was an alloy of greed, impatience, and vilest malice.

  86. That explains what Falwell meant by saying the Aids wasnt a disease, it was a cure………if it wasnt him it was another of those ass-oozes.

  87. Jamie……that’s the one I used to sing because I could remember all the words……

  90. XR  – I have no interest in getting into a pissing contest about events in a world five or four hundred years past from ours.  My ancestors were on both sides of the events in those years. I carry no guilt from my ancestors in the 1600’s or 1700’s owning slaves.  My ancestors freed their slaves before the Revolutionary War.

    To me all this is no more important than my grandfather forbidding us (family) from watching baseball, too many Puerto Rican’s, or basketball and football, too many “n*” in his words, in the 1960’s and 1970’s.  I know all about the histories of deadly disease import.

    I know about the slaughter of Native Americans. I know about the slavery of Native Americans by the British prior to the American colonies.  I know about the conditions of slaves. I know about the conditions of indentured servants.  I know about the condition of convict indentured servants.

    I cannot change what happened five hundred years ago.  Not one person alive can alter what happened in the past.  But, we can do something to change what is happening today.  We can elect people who care about Native Americans.  We can force change to how people think about Native Americans.

  92. Song was written for a guy but I don’t recall a guy version of it……
    Robert Goulet may have had one but Frank wouldn’t touch it after Eydie got thru with it…..

  96. Far as I’m concerned Jesus let the cat out of the bag with that Luke 17, 20-21 …… Game set match.

  97. Now some bible schmucks noticed that along the way and changed “within you” to “among you” and the real schmucks say “in yor midst”……assholes.. Check yer bible and see.

  100. That Pavarotti guy has a decent set of pipes and James Brown, well… and Eydie, she’s just too good. And Vic certainly could sing, but he just sang all those happy, upbeat songs.

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