At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
In 2015, future U.S. President Donald Trump posted a common variation of the quote in a tweet, substituting, “If we falter and lose our freedoms” for “If we lose our freedoms”:
America will never be destroyed from the outside.If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. A. Lincoln
It’s possible that the current version of the “quotation” evolved from something that Sen. Joseph McCarthy said in a famous U.S. Senate speech on Lincoln Day, 20 February 1950, during which he warned against the perils of Communist infiltration in the United States. Without naming Lincoln, McCarthy declared: “As one of our outstanding historical figures once said, ‘When a great democracy is destroyed, it will not be because of enemies from without, but rather because of enemies from within.’ The truth of this statement is becoming terrifyingly clear as we see this country each day losing on every front …”
Watched the hearing but fell asleep before Colbert. So glad the tubes let me watch it this morning.
Hawley … a pussie in real time. Take away the line of protection between him and the angry mob of MAGATS and he runs away like a scared deer from a bear. John Hileman said, “I’m not sure whether that’s running or prancing.” And the gallery at the hearing was laughing when his fist up/prancing behavior was shown last night.
“…he blamed the left for wanting to define “traditional masculine virtues” like courage, independence and assertiveness as “a danger to society.”
~ courage~
“…Hawley accused the political left of seeking to redefine traditional masculinity as toxic, and called for a “revival of strong and healthy manhood in America.”
Ok, then.
Josh’s run is reminiscent of john cleese’s silly walk in the monty python sketch
[…]
As he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, Hawley gave that infamous fist pump to the crowd of people outside — some eventual rioters among them. In the aftermath of the riot, there was a lot of criticism of Hawley’s gesture of encouragement, serving as it did as a reminder of his role in encouraging rioters to think that the electoral-vote counting should be derailed. After keeping a low profile for a bit, Hawley eventually began selling a mug showing the fist pump — continuing to do so even after the copyright-holder for the photo threatened to sue.
And why not? He’d weathered the immediate negative effects of his involvement in the riot, it seemed. Republican opinions on the day’s events had shifted and loyalty to Trump continued to be valuable currency. Even on the evening of Jan. 6 itself, Hawley was still hoping that eventuality might arrive. While at least one member of the Senate Republican caucus decided not to object to the submitted electors, Hawley didn’t. He still objected. Even after Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) shouted at him, “You have caused this!”, Hawley — standing in front of a fuming Romney — objected to the electoral slate.
This, it seems, was the bet. Hawley bet it would all work out politically, that he could wave away concerns like Romney’s over the short term and be a hero to the base for standing firm for years to come. And until, oh, about 9 p.m. on Thursday, it looked like it could work.
Then committee member Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.) turned the hearing’s attention to Hawley’s actions inside the Capitol that day.
She started by showing the fist-pump photo, noting that a Capitol Police officer had expressed frustration at his doing so, since “he was doing it in a safe space, protected by the officers and the barriers.” Then Luria inserted the dagger.
“Later that day, Senator Hawley fled, after those protesters he helped to rile up stormed the Capitol,” she said. “See for yourself.”
Video of Hawley dashing across a hallway aired on a large screen at the front of the hearing room. Then it aired again, this time in slow motion.
[…]
Hawley wants the visual of his involvement in Jan. 6 to be that fist pump: the guy willing to fight for Trump. Instead, it is now that slow-motion video: the guy who thought he was cleverly leveraging Trump’s base for his own purposes, only to see things suddenly unfold in a dramatically different way.
🎶…and his eyes gouged out and his liver cut out, and his spleen removed, and his bowels unplugged 🎶
In closing arguments Friday morning, Bannon’s defense lawyer suggested to the jury that the panel’s subpoena was illegitimate and politically motivated, and that the deadlines for Bannon to comply were merely “placeholders” for further negotiation.
Bannon “didn’t intentionally refuse to comply with a subpoena. Absolutely not. He didn’t intentionally refuse to comply with anything,” defense lawyer M. Evan Corcoran said.
Gaston highlighted Bannon’s failure to respond or to produce a single document before the subpoena deadline, after which Bannon’s attorneys asserted that Trump intended to invoke executive privilege.
***
Nichols had earlier rejected a host of Bannon’s potential defenses, including his contention that Donald Trump had claimed executive privilege over his testimony and documents.
I know that it is acceptable to argue in the alternative, but it is a trick that has a lot of danger associated with it. Saying the subpoena was on the one hand illegitimate and that Dumbass was going to claim executive privilege anyhow and on the other suggest they were negotiating to comply is just fucking stupid. Place yer bets – I bet there’s a verdict before dinner.
“…housing can be difficult to find in Texas, where a 2015 state law essentially allows landlords to ban Section 8 recipients.”
“No apartment complex in 26 Dallas suburbs — nearly all majority-white — surveyed by the organization accepted vouchers…”
“The wave of anti-Section 8 sentiment peaked in June, when the Providence Homeowners Association’s board passed a rule effectively banning Section 8 renters from living in the neighborhood — a move that will displace more than 150 families from the majority-white enclave.”
“Black families make up 93% of the 157 households with Section 8 vouchers living in Providence Village, according to the Dallas and Denton housing authorities. Women head all but five of those households.”
“This basically says that ‘there’ll be no Section 8 in our city,’” said Ann Lott, executive director of the Dallas-based Inclusive Communities Project. “So for years, we’ve had to deal with the homeowners saying ‘not in my neighborhood.’ But now we have a move afoot that says ‘not even in our city.’ That’s concerning.”
“Ukraine and Russia have agreed a deal that would allow the resumption of vital grain exports from Ukrainian Black Sea ports, a major diplomatic breakthrough aimed at easing a global food crisis sparked by the war…”
“…the deal will bring relief for developing countries and help stabilize global food prices, “which were already at record levels even before the war — a true nightmare for developing countries.”
Pogo… so glad the judge wasn’t having any of Bannon’s assholic tricks. I read in WaPo this morning that his lawyer wanted all the jurors polled to see if any of them watched the hearing last night. I’m sure if anyone had said… yes… he would have called for a mistrial.
couldn’t resist this one…
…sure seems like, by his own (in)actions, he was disqualified as 2024 POTUS candidate, last night
if he has a legitimate chance at the GQP nomination after that, we might as well all hang it up
One hell of an image ……………
Nasa’s James Webb telescope reveals millions of galaxies
Blink –
Remind me to never jump into your foxhole.
ur not invited
That Webb image would make a killer fabric for making women’s clothes .
Bannon found guilty on both counts. Less than hours deliberation!
Woo and Hoo!
Sorry Blink, but “optimism” is not my strong suit ether , I ‘m afraid we’d form a suicide pack.
Bring on the the frog march.
Looks like weird guy gets a minimum of thirty days in the place he might make new friends, but I am sure they will be very desperate to go that low. Best news is he could get to enjoy two years of making new friends.
Do you think Orange Adolf cares about what happened to his buddy today? Does he barely know him? Did Bannon only bring him coffee once?
wonder if for those mandatory 30 days he’ll be allowed his usual double shirt wardrobe. orange atop stripes or stripes atop orange? hopefully, they’ll require a buzz cut or at least make him wash his hair.
Bannon’s sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 21 when he will face a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 30 days and up to one year behind bars. He could also be fined $100 to $100,000. He is expected to appeal.
The amount of Greenland ice that melted last weekend could cover West Virginia in a foot of water
(like, “save us” even in a political context, because while the world burns, we’re having constitutional crises, when we need to be a world-leader on climate issues)
randy needs to update his 2017 ditty
That was quicker than I thought, but not much. So now he gets to appeal to the DC Circuit?
Bob, I’d welcome some of the water – I’m trying to grow grass over a bare spot where we removed a stump and I don’t want to run a sprinkler to do it.
Oh, and Jeffrey Clark? Putz.
BTW, back to Bannon, He criticized the committee’s prosecution team for not calling Bennie Thompson and the other “gutless” members of the committee to testify, claiming Thompson and the committee were gutless for not coming and testifying against him. Umm, let’s parse that – his defense was that (a) the subpoena was not legitimate – which the judge rejected and foreclosed as a defense and (b) that he was negotiating over answering the subpoena – which would have been with Kristin Amerling, the chief counsel for the Jan. 6 committee – who is exactly who would testify to that issue. Corcoran was stupid enough to criticize her credibility, claiming the committee singled Bannon out of more than 1000 witnesses to score political points in an election year. Right – but Bannon was by report one of very few witnesses subpoenaed who did not respond to the subpoenas issued with testimony and documents. Even ol’ Kev coughed up thousands of pages of text messages before he told the committee to stick it. Oh, and as to Bannon’s claim that the committee was gutless for not watching and testifying at the trial, he didn’t testify in his own defense, and in fact did not mount a defense. I know, 5th Amendment and all that, but still, if you are too gutless to testify in your own defense it’s pretty hollow criticizing others for not testifying against you. And would Steve have wanted Liz to testify against him? Gutless is not a word I’d use for her – and I bet she’s a bunch smarter and has bigger balls than his lawyer. I wonder what he paid his lawyers in the last month to come up with that trial/appeal strategy? I could have done it for much less and felt like I was making out like a bandit.
Well now we’re down to the nut cuttin’. The battle over water and power is underway . Every state West of the 100 th meridian is gonna hire an army of lawyers .
When they all should sit down, and find some solutions.
Pogo –
Plant butterfly food , fuck grass .
One of the reason’s the West is in trouble we’re watering 19 golf courses in Palm Springs.
The Red Tide in Florida , and collapse of the Manatee . our fucking love of grass.
“What O’Neal is attempting with the lawsuit on behalf of the water is not just another environmental lawsuit against an eager developer. Asked why he wasn’t filing a traditional lawsuit, he responds that what’s needed is a shift in perspective. “The current laws are stacked against nature because nature is viewed as property. When you buy a property, you can do whatever you want with it. Our planet needs to take into account that these natural bodies of water, forests and animals have a right to live.”
“I was taught that water is alive. It can hear. It holds memories,” Kelsey Leonard, the first Native American woman to earn a science degree from Oxford University, explained in her viral TED Talk, “Why lakes and rivers should have the same rights as humans.”
Well I’m spent so nighty night.
Here ya go Blink –
i’m a big pushover, i’d let you in, 3 days max tho
I wonder what Navarro thinks about Bannon’s come-upance today? November is coming.
“California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a bill into law that allows private citizens to bring civil action against anyone who manufactures, distributes, transports or imports assault weapons or ghost guns, which are banned in the state.”
“California Senate Bill 1327 is modeled after a Texas law that allows private citizens to bring civil litigation against abortion providers or anyone who assists a pregnant person in obtaining an abortion after as early as six weeks of pregnancy.”
from Lincoln’s Lyceum Address 1838
last night Liz Cheney quoted Lincoln with another variation of the above and interestingly ironic in an earlier time so had the disgraced former president and insurrectionist according to this from Did Abraham Lincoln Say ‘America Will Never Be Destroyed From the Outside’? | Snopes.com
Republican Josh Hawley fled January 6 rioters – and Twitter ran with it | January 6 hearings | The Guardian
some of wapo’s coverage
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/21/takeaways-hearing-trump-actions/?itid=hp-top-table-main-t-2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/22/mike-pence-secret-service-january-6/?itid=hp-top-table-main-t-2
https://youtu.be/7FPELc1wEvk
Run away!
Watched the hearing but fell asleep before Colbert. So glad the tubes let me watch it this morning.
Hawley … a pussie in real time. Take away the line of protection between him and the angry mob of MAGATS and he runs away like a scared deer from a bear. John Hileman said, “I’m not sure whether that’s running or prancing.” And the gallery at the hearing was laughing when his fist up/prancing behavior was shown last night.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/11/1054615028/is-masculinity-under-attack-sen-hawley-wants-to-defend-the-men-of-america
“…he blamed the left for wanting to define “traditional masculine virtues” like courage, independence and assertiveness as “a danger to society.”
~ courage~
“…Hawley accused the political left of seeking to redefine traditional masculinity as toxic, and called for a “revival of strong and healthy manhood in America.”
Ok, then.
Josh’s run is reminiscent of john cleese’s silly walk in the monty python sketch
Hawley’s effort to reap political rewards from Jan. 6 scampers off – The Washington Post
The jury’s out. WaPo.
I know that it is acceptable to argue in the alternative, but it is a trick that has a lot of danger associated with it. Saying the subpoena was on the one hand illegitimate and that Dumbass was going to claim executive privilege anyhow and on the other suggest they were negotiating to comply is just fucking stupid. Place yer bets – I bet there’s a verdict before dinner.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/21/texas-hoa-bans-section-8-providence-village/
“…housing can be difficult to find in Texas, where a 2015 state law essentially allows landlords to ban Section 8 recipients.”
“No apartment complex in 26 Dallas suburbs — nearly all majority-white — surveyed by the organization accepted vouchers…”
“The wave of anti-Section 8 sentiment peaked in June, when the Providence Homeowners Association’s board passed a rule effectively banning Section 8 renters from living in the neighborhood — a move that will displace more than 150 families from the majority-white enclave.”
“Black families make up 93% of the 157 households with Section 8 vouchers living in Providence Village, according to the Dallas and Denton housing authorities. Women head all but five of those households.”
“This basically says that ‘there’ll be no Section 8 in our city,’” said Ann Lott, executive director of the Dallas-based Inclusive Communities Project. “So for years, we’ve had to deal with the homeowners saying ‘not in my neighborhood.’ But now we have a move afoot that says ‘not even in our city.’ That’s concerning.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/europe/ukraine-russia-grain-deal-turkey-intl/index.html
“Ukraine and Russia have agreed a deal that would allow the resumption of vital grain exports from Ukrainian Black Sea ports, a major diplomatic breakthrough aimed at easing a global food crisis sparked by the war…”
“…the deal will bring relief for developing countries and help stabilize global food prices, “which were already at record levels even before the war — a true nightmare for developing countries.”
Pogo… so glad the judge wasn’t having any of Bannon’s assholic tricks. I read in WaPo this morning that his lawyer wanted all the jurors polled to see if any of them watched the hearing last night. I’m sure if anyone had said… yes… he would have called for a mistrial.
couldn’t resist this one…
…sure seems like, by his own (in)actions, he was disqualified as 2024 POTUS candidate, last night
if he has a legitimate chance at the GQP nomination after that, we might as well all hang it up
One hell of an image ……………
Nasa’s James Webb telescope reveals millions of galaxies
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62259492
Blink –
Remind me to never jump into your foxhole.
ur not invited
That Webb image would make a killer fabric for making women’s clothes .
Bannon found guilty on both counts. Less than hours deliberation!
Woo and Hoo!
Sorry Blink, but “optimism” is not my strong suit ether , I ‘m afraid we’d form a suicide pack.
Bring on the the frog march.
Looks like weird guy gets a minimum of thirty days in the place he might make new friends, but I am sure they will be very desperate to go that low. Best news is he could get to enjoy two years of making new friends.
Do you think Orange Adolf cares about what happened to his buddy today? Does he barely know him? Did Bannon only bring him coffee once?
wonder if for those mandatory 30 days he’ll be allowed his usual double shirt wardrobe. orange atop stripes or stripes atop orange? hopefully, they’ll require a buzz cut or at least make him wash his hair.
nbc news:
The amount of Greenland ice that melted last weekend could cover West Virginia in a foot of water
By René Marsh and Angela Fritz, CNN
Updated 6:05 PM EDT, Wed July 20, 20
more good news
Ex-Trump DOJ lawyer Jeffrey Clark hit with legal ethics charges over post-election role | The Hill
Only cold-fusion can save us.
Allegedly, they’re very close🤷♂️
(like, “save us” even in a political context, because while the world burns, we’re having constitutional crises, when we need to be a world-leader on climate issues)
randy needs to update his 2017 ditty
That was quicker than I thought, but not much. So now he gets to appeal to the DC Circuit?
Bob, I’d welcome some of the water – I’m trying to grow grass over a bare spot where we removed a stump and I don’t want to run a sprinkler to do it.
Oh, and Jeffrey Clark? Putz.
BTW, back to Bannon, He criticized the committee’s prosecution team for not calling Bennie Thompson and the other “gutless” members of the committee to testify, claiming Thompson and the committee were gutless for not coming and testifying against him. Umm, let’s parse that – his defense was that (a) the subpoena was not legitimate – which the judge rejected and foreclosed as a defense and (b) that he was negotiating over answering the subpoena – which would have been with Kristin Amerling, the chief counsel for the Jan. 6 committee – who is exactly who would testify to that issue. Corcoran was stupid enough to criticize her credibility, claiming the committee singled Bannon out of more than 1000 witnesses to score political points in an election year. Right – but Bannon was by report one of very few witnesses subpoenaed who did not respond to the subpoenas issued with testimony and documents. Even ol’ Kev coughed up thousands of pages of text messages before he told the committee to stick it. Oh, and as to Bannon’s claim that the committee was gutless for not watching and testifying at the trial, he didn’t testify in his own defense, and in fact did not mount a defense. I know, 5th Amendment and all that, but still, if you are too gutless to testify in your own defense it’s pretty hollow criticizing others for not testifying against you. And would Steve have wanted Liz to testify against him? Gutless is not a word I’d use for her – and I bet she’s a bunch smarter and has bigger balls than his lawyer. I wonder what he paid his lawyers in the last month to come up with that trial/appeal strategy? I could have done it for much less and felt like I was making out like a bandit.
Lake Powell and Lake Mead could collapse without more water cuts along the Colorado River, a new paper explains
https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/2022/07/21/lake-powell-lake-mead-could/
Well now we’re down to the nut cuttin’. The battle over water and power is underway . Every state West of the 100 th meridian is gonna hire an army of lawyers .
When they all should sit down, and find some solutions.
Pogo –
Plant butterfly food , fuck grass .
One of the reason’s the West is in trouble we’re watering 19 golf courses in Palm Springs.
The Red Tide in Florida , and collapse of the Manatee . our fucking love of grass.
https://reasonstobecheerful.world/florida-lake-lawsuit-nature-rights-indigenous-peoples/
“What O’Neal is attempting with the lawsuit on behalf of the water is not just another environmental lawsuit against an eager developer. Asked why he wasn’t filing a traditional lawsuit, he responds that what’s needed is a shift in perspective. “The current laws are stacked against nature because nature is viewed as property. When you buy a property, you can do whatever you want with it. Our planet needs to take into account that these natural bodies of water, forests and animals have a right to live.”
“I was taught that water is alive. It can hear. It holds memories,” Kelsey Leonard, the first Native American woman to earn a science degree from Oxford University, explained in her viral TED Talk, “Why lakes and rivers should have the same rights as humans.”
Well I’m spent so nighty night.
Here ya go Blink –
i’m a big pushover, i’d let you in, 3 days max tho
I wonder what Navarro thinks about Bannon’s come-upance today? November is coming.
https://mobile.twitter.com/betoorourke/status/1539984492663918595
I was reading this because of Abbott, but the comments on the thread about Hawley are hilarious.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/california-newsom-gun-bill-texas-abortion-law/index.html
“California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed a bill into law that allows private citizens to bring civil action against anyone who manufactures, distributes, transports or imports assault weapons or ghost guns, which are banned in the state.”
“California Senate Bill 1327 is modeled after a Texas law that allows private citizens to bring civil litigation against abortion providers or anyone who assists a pregnant person in obtaining an abortion after as early as six weeks of pregnancy.”
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