Table Talk Tactics for T-Day

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Author: patd

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad." "How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.” ― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

48 thoughts on “Table Talk Tactics for T-Day”

  1. table seating arrangements are a challenge for many these days.  some may even wax nostalgic about memories of how peaceful and quiet thanksgiving was last year due to the pandemic. 

    i’m lucky that the invitees at my table are mostly center and center left on the political scale or at least civil about it if at the extremes. it’s hard enough to prepare, entertain and get through a meal worthy for a mix of vegans, carnivores, omnivores and (how does one put it politely?) extreme gluttons.

  2. good news for a change?

    the hill:

    Israel and Jordan are on track to swap desalinated water for solar energy, after cementing the largest ever partnership between the two nations on Monday — in a ceremony facilitated by the United Arab Emirates and in the presence of U.S. climate envoy John Kerry.

    Government officials from Israel, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates signed a letter of intent at the Dubai Expo on Monday, paving the way for the future export of Jordanian solar energy in exchange for Israeli desalinated water. Not only would the move help quench the thirst of a water starved Jordan, but it would also shift Israel’s historic neighborhood status as an energy island and help the country meet climate targets.

    [continues]

     

    shades of the peaceable kingdom

    See the source image

     

  3. Good. I pretty much always preferred the kids’ table. 😂Roll Tide!  P.s.,  love the cartoon. 

  4. The New Yorker had a list of safe topics and how they could devolve into brawls. I am thankful that I have to work before and after the holiday, so a good excuse not to travel to any family gatherings. Everyone else at the table would be a Republican, and, mostly wing nuts for whom Faux Noise now seems liberal. Everyone who I know here is also a Republican. I’m staying home, watching the parade and taking a nice walk.

  5. i’ll be 5 days into boosted immune response by Thursday, let’s hope it’s enough 🤞😰

    Ooh, my arm isn’t sore this morning, 💪☺️

  6. It’ll just be me, Mrs. P and LP at our TG gathering. That’s enough for me. Family, wine and tryptophan. Classic thanksgiving. 

  9. Bwahahahahahah. Wapo

    A federal judge has ordered two Colorado lawyers who filed a lawsuit late last year challenging the 2020 election results to pay nearly $187,000 to defray the legal fees of groups they sued, arguing that the hefty penalty was proper to deter others from using frivolous suits to undermine the democratic system.

    “As officers of the Court, these attorneys have a higher duty and calling that requires meaningful investigation before prematurely repeating in court pleadings unverified and uninvestigated defamatory rumors that strike at the heart of our democratic system and were used by others to foment a violent insurrection that threatened our system of government,” wrote Magistrate Judge N. Reid Neureiter.

    “They are experienced lawyers who should have known better. They need to take responsibility for their misconduct,” he wrote.

    Read the judge’s order

    The two lawyers, Gary D. Fielder and Ernest John Walker, filed the case in December 2020 as a class action on behalf of 160 million American voters, alleging there was a complicated plot to steal the election from President Donald Trump and give the victory to Joe Biden.
    ….

    In Monday’s order, Neureiter said the lawyers should pay just over $11,000 to cover the legal fees of the states of Michigan and Pennsylvania, both defendants in the suit, a dollar figure the duo had agreed was fair. The two lawyers had balked, however, at far higher fees requested by three other entities: Facebook, Dominion Voting Systems and the Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), an election reform advocacy group that has received funding from Zuckerberg and Chan.

    In a 21-page order Monday, Neureiter ordered that Fielder and Walker pay $50,000 to Facebook and $62,930 each to Dominion and CTCL, arguing that billing records submitted by the group showed the fees were reasonable given the prominence of the lawyers who worked on the case and the amount of time they spent.

    What’s more, Neureiter wrote, the hefty fees were appropriate given “the severity of the violation” and because the lawyers had solicited donations from the “arguably innocent and gullible public” to fund their suit. He said he weighed whether the penalties could chill future legitimate lawsuits but concluded that “the repetition of defamatory and potentially dangerous unverified allegations is the kind of ‘advocacy’ that needs to be chilled.”

    Of course they’re appealing the order.

     

  10. Oh btw i had the option of “mixing and matching” vaccines, in that i could have chose whatever technology/brand i wanted, and while i was tempted, i haven’t seen any good data or research on mixing vax brands, so i just stuck with what i got the first two times

    Ok, the lizard-people are escorting me to a secret Guantanamo Bay-esque facility for free-thinkers and patriots, ttyl

  13. if you like something different for T-day, how about a nice red snapper? 

    click here for colbert and chef andres hilarious directions on how to cook it.

    Our good friend Chef José Andrés stops by for a holiday cooking segment and gets the party started with a fancy pour of some fancy Spanish sherry. For more information on Chef José’s amazing organization World Central Kitchen go to http://www.wck.org.

  14. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/582754-biden-to-release-50-million-barrels-from-strategic-petroleum

    “The Department of Energy will release 50 million barrels of oil from the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the White House announced Tuesday, as the Biden administration seeks ways to control rising costs at the pump.”

    And who loves those rising prices and the pain they inflict in the average American? Republicans.

    I love POTUS Joe. Eff ALL Republicans. I can say ALL because Republicans have kicked out Liz Cheney. Whoda thunk a Cheney would be their moral compass?

  15. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/politics/inflation-biden-federal-reserve-what-matters/index.html
    “…corporate America is helping fuel the inflation madness in order to make more money.”“Executives are seizing a once in a generation opportunity to raise prices to match and in some cases outpace their own higher expenses, after decades of grinding down costs and prices…”
    “Excessive inflation and a sense that it was not being controlled helped elect Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, and risks bringing Donald Trump back to power,”
    It’s always the stupid economy, stupid.

  17. See?  Just drop “climate change” from the policy agenda if you’re going flood the market with oil to reduce prices to get re-elected, Thunberg was right, “blah blah blah”

    Gas should be expensive, could subsidize low-income drivers who need it for work

  18. Patd

    Love the top cartoon.  Our Thanksgiving will be just three and we are all speaking to each other.  Once finished, the boys will anime and D & D to their hearts content and I will Get Back with the Beatles on Disney.

    May you all be blessed with a conflict free observance.

     

  20. My sister, has invited the world, so I’m not sure who all will be there. For her summer get together (where I grilled outside on my big fancy event grill, I don’t have a gun and my pickup is small but boy do I have a grill) (1) Any way a cousin and his oldest adult(?) son showed up, they are right wing Christian/antivacc types. My niece, a sarcastic little bitch, bless her heart spent the day poking fun at them. But, it was family so they had a good time. or so they said as they left.
    My sister told me it is my job is to do the wine, she liked what I bought last year. As I remember, Idid a dry white, a semi sweet and some kind of alcoholic syrup.  Something for all tastes. BTW they were all Missouri wines and they were good. Missouri has always been able to do the alcoholic syrup type wines but now they have several good dryer whites. But I still haven’t found a red fit to drink. But I don’t do reds much.
    Jack
    (1) yeah go ahead make your penis jokes.

  21. It doesn’t get fixed by jacking up fuel prices, either.  And, if Dems are blamed for higher fuel prices, it only serves Republicans come election time. Republicans won’t do jack squat to help the climate. They love their gas and oil money.

    The key is to replace it with something easier, cheaper, more reliable, and, cleaner. On a large scale, for trucking and long distance travel, that’s not so easy. NYC will use some infrastructure dollars for more bike lanes. That only works in a small area.

  22. Boosters –
    I hear that in 48 hrs.,  one’s  system is ginning out new anti-bodies.  It recognizes the shot  and sez , ” Oh, I know you “, and gets right to work.
    On the first round it sez, ” What the hell is this ? ” and has to pull it’s act together. 
    Can’t recall the source of this , but it wasn’t from the bozosphere. 

  23. Bink

    I’ve lived with a dungeon master for over 40 years.  My son has now converted and addicted both of his sons.  It is the one area where “mommy” is not welcome.  LOL

     

  24. Going  to Little Sister and Kapt. Karl’s tomorrow , he’s the food service manager for a large upscale retirement complex, so ………….. “No soup for you” on Thursday.
     
    My hippie nephew is coming in from Manitou Springs  today.
    Turns out he had Covid back in August , with flu like symptoms ………… still no shots.
    I plan to pick his brain about this topic.  

  26. Blue –
    15 states are moving to block  banks from  not making oil and gas loans. 
    Too bad they don’t know they’ve already lost that fight ,  an electric  F-150 Ford pick -up , and an electric Hummer ? 
    Those are some pretty big coffin nails.
     
     
     

  28. Pogo –
    There needs to be a lawyers list of how many times judges have slapped down the entire “Big Lie” movement .
    Too bad there’s only one court that  matters. 

  30. Jack –
    Word origins ……  me too , and phrase ones as well.
     
    Leroy Satchel Paige > Quotes > Quotable Quote

    “Avoid fried meats which angry up the blood.If your stomach disputes you, lie down and pacify it with cool thoughts.Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gently as you move.Go very lightly on vices such as carrying on in society. The social ramble ain’t restful.Avoid running at all times.Don’t look back. Something may be gaining on you.”

     

  38. Bob, great idea – someone should keep a tally, and as you read, the list keeps growing.  Not a good day for the Unite the White pricks.  From the WaPo article onthe verdict.

    Prominent white supremacists Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler and Christopher Cantwell and others engaged in a conspiracy to intimidate, harass or harm in advance of the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in 2017, a jury has ruled.

    The jury did not reach a verdict on two federal conspiracy charges, but did find that every defendant was liable for civil conspiracy under Virginia law.

    The jury then awarded a total of $26 million in damages against the 12 individual defendants and five white nationalist organizations on trial. More than half that money is owed by James Fields, who is serving a life sentence for ramming into a crowd of counterprotesters with his car during the rally and killing Heather Heyer.

    The 11 jurors needed only to find “a preponderance of the evidence,” rather than the higher bar of “beyond reasonable doubt” in criminal trials. But they deadlocked on two federal claims of a race-based conspiracy, while agreeing that there was a conspiracy under Virginia state law and that the victims were entitled to compensation.
    [Continues]

    The victims may not ever see a dime, but wait, there’s more on the award of the jury, also from WaPo.

    Total judgment of $26 million

    By Rachel Weiner, Tom Jackman and Ian Shapira 4:48 p.m.

    While they deadlocked on federal claims that would have given plaintiffs a symbolic victory, jurors granted plaintiffs a large monetary judgment — $26 million in compensatory and punitive damages from the defendants.

    Of that, more than $14 million was assessed against James Alex Fields Jr., who is serving a life sentence for killing Heather Heyer when he drove his car into a crowd of counterprotesters.

    For engaging in a conspiracy to harm, harass or intimidate, each of the 12 defendants was ordered to pay $500,000, and five white supremacist organizations ordered to pay $1 million per group, for a total of $11 million. Fields was included in the 12 defendants ordered to pay $500,000.

    For engaging in racial, religious, or ethnic harassment or violence, five defendants were ordered to collectively pay two plaintiffs $500,000 in compensation for their injuries as well as $1 million in punitive damages.

    Two of the counts were specific to Fields. He was ordered to pay over $1.5 million to compensate plaintiffs for the physical and emotional injuries they suffered because of his attack, as well as $12 in punitive damages, for a total of $13.5 million for those two counts alone, in addition to the $500,000 from the conspiracy count.

    After the verdict was read, James Kolenich, who represents two defendants and the group Identity Evropa, said he will try to reduce the damages in future court hearings: “We’re going to do what we can to cut this down to size.”

    Kolenich, who previously said he wanted to participate in this case to “oppose Jewish influence in society, said that “some of the organizations have some assets. … I don’t think any of them could afford to pay out of pocket.”
    [Continues]

    And with that, I’m off to the races.  May check in a bit later.

  40. So I’m still watching mews from “Behind the Mormon Curtain” .
    They are in a race with Texas for the fastest growing state prize.  The only problem is they ain’t growing more water.
     
     
    Newspaper’s map change puts spotlight on Great Salt Lake’s ‘death spiral’
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/climate/salt-lake-tribune-great-salt-lake-new-map/1046604
     

    A combination of river diversions and the impacts from the megadrought across the American West has driven the lake to 4,191.3 feet above sea level over the summer — the lowest levels the lake had seensince the USGS began keeping records back in 1847 — and levels continued to fall until storms moved in and agricultural irrigation ended for the season. From Oct. 15 to Oct. 18, the lake’s elevation had dropped to 4,190.3. Currently, the lake is less than half of its average size — a mere 937 square mileswith a volume of 7.7 million acre-feet.

     
    This is a very big deal , over a million birds use the lake’s brine flies for forage as they migrate . The newly exposed lake bottom has arsenic in it .  And the dust will land on the Wasatch snow pack.  Making it darker , so it melts sooner. 
     
    Allow me to repeat –
     
    Climate Change is Coming 
    It’s coming to your state, it’s coming to your county, it’s coming to your town, it’s coming to your street, it’s coming to your curb. it’s coming up your walk . it’s coming on to your  porch, it’s ringing your bell so it can punch you right on the nose. 

     
     
     
     
     

  41. Back to Chaco for one last rant. 
    Biden made very big steps with the people we took this country from .
    First at Interior, then at the National Park Service , and now at Chaco with his ban of oil and gas leasing around the canyon . 
    In the entire span of American history no president has done anything like this. 

     
     

  42. Jack, I’ve had this and that WV wine here and there and have yet to run not one I’d pay to drink. All were way too sweet for my taste. The closest I had was a white that was just dry enough to be tolerable. The reds – blech. 

  43. The buildings at Chaco  had over 50,000 ponderosa pine logs in their roofs.  Those trees were growing over 60 miles North of the canyon. These people had no wheel , and no mules, and no metal  tools. 

  44. blue bronc,  

    unless fearless leader jumps in with his own masterpiece, i’ll put yours up for tomorrow’s thread 1st thing in case he missed your comment at 4:03 and didn’t schedule it.

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