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Words to remember
“…people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I’m not a crook” — Richard M. Nixon (November 17, 1973)
Author: patd
“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
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More than a crook…an international crime syndicate. assange’s request for trump’s taxes upsets the wikileaks gang…especially for jailed barrett brown.
He was particularly outraged by an Oct. 26, 2016 message, in which Assange had appealed to Trump Jr. to let WikiLeaks publish one or more of his father’s tax returns in order to make his group’s attacks on Hillary Clinton seem less biased. “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” the Assange-controlled @Wikileaks account suggested. “That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source, which the Clinton campaign is constantly slandering us with.”
How is your Dad, Craig?
bw, thanks for that link on barrett brown. this excerpt gives a glimpse into how angry he must be sitting there in prison on behalf of a rather ungrateful Assange for his sacrifice to WikiLeaks and the saintly Assange:
It is not surprising that Brown felt personally betrayed by Assange, since, as he explained on Facebook Tuesday night, “I went to prison because of my support for WikiLeaks.” Specifically, Brown said, the charges against him were related to his role in “operations to identify and punish members of the government and members of private companies that had been exposed by Anonymous hackers of my acquaintance, via email hacks, as having conspired to go after Assange, to go after WikiLeaks.”
That sort of activism, dedicated to making public secret wrongdoing, Brown argued, is very different from “colluding with an authoritarian presidential campaign backed by actual Nazis while publicly denying it.”
“Plainly,” he observed with bitterness, “the prospect of a Clinton in the White House was such an unimaginable nightmare scenario that all normal standards of truth and morality became moot and it became necessary to get people like Sebastian Gorka into the White House to establish order.”
“…people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.”
a concept as true today as it was 44 years ago.
any thoughts & memories out there of how you felt then and how you feel now about the respective (less than respectable) resident in the white house?
Julian Assange has said Barack Obama’s decision to grant whistleblower Chelsea Manning clemency was a bid to “make life hard” for him.
nixon always seemed like a crook and a dick to me. I first saw him in person during the 1960’s election. I was six and saw him close-up in a motorcade. I thought he was an ugly man, sinister. By the time I was a teen? He really scared me as he declared a war on young people. He was so obviously wrong for the country, but the same group of haters had to punish the entire country after LBJ and the great society…voted for the crook instead of what was correct. His vp, agnew was a convicted crook.
Less than a year before Richard M. Nixon’s resignation as president of the United States, Spiro Agnew becomes the first U.S. vice president to resign in disgrace. The same day, he pleaded no contest to a charge of federal income tax evasion in exchange for the dropping of charges of political corruption.
I hope as a country we can once again recover from a corrupt potus like tricky dick…it is as big as my hope for Mueller to give us a Thanksgiving surprise!
“I am not a crook” I’ll bet the house he would have said, Sarah Sukabee is lovely
Hannity McHannityface.
Did Moore make Hannity’s deadline……so many people for poor Sean to please
Lucky lucky Roy -Sean is an idiot and will believe anything — guess that is the flip side of being a gooper you have to believe the lies
BW, f__k the Ford Bend Sheriff and Prosecutor.
I hear there is a new Faux special in the offing. Hannity – the Journey from Rushbo Wannabe to Cartoon Character. Be sure to check your channel guide for it. ?
Dad doing well, BW, Thanks — we’ve got a full day of checkups at the VA tomorrow.
PatD, that Nixon “crook” soundbite was one of my Zelig moments — I was there in the ballroom at the Contemporary Hotel, Disney World, where he said it. My orthodontist was county GOP chair and got me access. I went straight to the press area to see all the famous reporters. Particularly remember being excited about seeing Sam Donaldson. I didn’t pay a whole lot of attention to Nixon but do remember press corps going into full buzz mode when he spit out the “crook” line. Had no idea at the time it would become so historic, but it was obvious that day it had legs.
You have to love this – I certainly do. A lesson on Roy Moore from his former law school professor
One: Roy Moore did not get along with his colleagues in law school or on the Supreme Court. The arguments were not over Christianity.
In law school, the arguments arose from what Disraeli called “falling into a deep groove of illogic and being helpless to allow reason to pull you out.” If Moore’s analysis of a case was tantamount to thinking 1 + 1 = 3, and his classmates reasoned otherwise, there was no backing down by Moore. The class was willing to fight to the death against illogic that no legal mind but one in America would espouse.
Moore never won one argument, and the debates got ugly and personal. The result: gone was the fulfillment a teacher hopes for in the still peace of logic and learning. I had no choice but to abandon the Socratic method of class participation in favor of the lecture mode because of one student: Roy Moore.
You’ll want to read the rest.
Pogo… I can’t wait to see how Moore acts while in the Senate. He’ll be a great gift to the Democrats.
I know I’ve told this story here before. I was traveling across the country with a girlfriend, her dog, and a tent while all the Nixon brou ha ha was going on. I didn’t learn of most of it until after the fact.
RR, assholes just gonna be assholes. So it will be with Roy.
Saw an interview with the NBC reporter Monday who was down in Jackson County, AL covering the Roy Moore story. They asked him what people were thinking and talking about and he said that they were waiting primarily for the Alabama Auburn game.
I remember thoroughly disliking Nixon but not in a virulent way in 1968, just enough to not vote for him and just enough lose me my job when the day after I commented that “At least 43% of the people are happy.”
This sexual leveling of the playing field is resembling The Reign of Terror. There’s little reflection, need for context, allowance for era… Nothing but swift knee jerk justice with no allowance for redemption. Point a finger and that guy is a goner. Off with his head.
Al Franken prompts me to write, but I’ve been worried about this from the start. We are so frustrated by the abomination/acknowledged deviant in the WH that we are casting glances, naming names and brooking nothing less than full compliance with the program.
This is as much insanity as *45 is insanity.
Disclosure: I am a doodler, not a dog, a journalist and artist, a woman who was raped and reported it, spoke up about it, took grief for doing so (primarily by women); sexually harassed at work and dealt with it. Oh, and perused by dirty old men and pervs at random. In short, I have some street cred on the topic. What is going on now is very weird, reactive and dangerous. We should stand back and do some serious reflecting.
I recall one afternoon in City Hall when I had to let a temp employee go (something I always did personally). As I went down the elevator with her, she reached over and switched it off. Despite her upturned head, I had no trouble finding the elevator on switch.
The only people I mentioned the unusual happening to were Kumcho and our Mayor, a woman.
pogo, the only bright side of roy debating in the senate would be if his opponent were ted… bets would be taken in the cloak room on whose head exploded first and at what point roy waves his revolver at ted.
“Nothing but swift knee jerk justice with no allowance for redemption. Point a finger and that guy is a goner. Off with his head.”
mrdd, have been concerned about that too. too many non-violent, less loathsome and titillatingly salacious charges (i.e. a crippled dotty h.w. patting a rear cause he can’t reach high enough to pat the shoulder) distract or dilute appropriate outrage from the very serious criminal ones committed by those upon which the wrath of all godly and ungodly people and the justice system should fall.
Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) is calling for an ethics investigation into his own behavior after a woman accused him of kissing and groping her without consent. Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour. “I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.” In a piece on KABC, Tweeden published a photo of Franken groping her breasts while they were both on a USO tour. She also wrote that Franken forcibly kissed her while they were rehearsing a sketch for a performance. Franken initially issued a brief, three-sentence statement, in which he said he didn’t remember the rehearsal for the skit “in the same way.” In that statement, he wrote that he sent “my sincerest apologies to Leeann,” and said he should not have taken the photo, which he described as “clearly intended to be funny.” The second statement came after Franken faced criticism from across the political spectrum that his first statement did not represent a real apology. “The first and most important thing—and if it’s the only thing you care to hear, that’s fine—is: I’m sorry,” he wrote in the new statement. “I respect women. I don’t respect men who don’t,” Franken continued. “And the fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed.” Franken doubled down on his claim that he does not remember the rehearsal for the skit “in the same way” as Tweeden. But he said Tweeden “deserved to be heard.” “The truth is, what people think of me in light of this is far less important than what people think of women who continue to come forward to tell their stories,” Franken said. “They deserve to be heard, and believed. And they deserve to know that I am their ally and supporter. I have let them down and am committed to making it up to them.”
[…continues…]
What Franken did was inappropriate…. but there’s a world of difference between how he is handling his response and Moore’s continuing denials and attacks on his accusers.
More interesting to me is how the Republicans (and the WH) are trying to spin their tax bill as being “friendly for hard working middle class folks”…. yeah sure…. and I can fly over the rainbow and find a pot o’ gold… honestly.
Damn you putie and your trolls for muddying the sexual American swamp as if it wasn’t dirty enough. There are sexual crimes which are mostly against underage humans and incapacitated humans. Damaging and violent crimes. To be kissed by fish lips franken and also able to subdue him so easily? Not so much damage.
But to stalk teenagers, take a peek backstage at underage girls, talk about your daughter like she is a sex object? Crossing the line.
Like many on the trail, I have been the victim of an attempted rape by a man with a knife (they never caught the guy). I have been drugged on a date…more serious crimes. I was lucky and I am still alive. The degree of assault can range from verbal or it can end a life. Abuses and crimes…going on for a long time in our institutions.
renee, yep as you say “there’s a world of difference between how he is handling his response and Moore’s continuing denials and attacks on his accusers” and a lot of what he says below can be applied to many of us (me in particular) who think we’re just being funny/clever/scintillating but are stupidly insensitive with our brand of humor.
Coming from the world of comedy, I’ve told and written a lot of jokes that I once thought were funny but later came to realize were just plain offensive. But the intentions behind my actions aren’t the point at all. It’s the impact these jokes had on others that matters. And I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to time to terms with that.
One of the hardest thing to do is come out about some level of sexual abuse by men. Having my rear groped in a public setting was about the worse thing I ever experienced. It happens all the time on the Metro too, but not as terrible as in a packed lobby with many friends and acquaintances. Another sickening experience is men who think it is appropriate to tell “dirty” stories or sexual talk, to a transgender person. It is sickening how often that happens. Even telling them that it is disturbing does not stop them.
After reading this story on NPR’s sexual harassment and the tikie tac nature of some of the statements, some unintended consequences of current trends becomes blindingly apparent
If I worked at NPR I would be tempted to adhere to the Mike Pence rule, “never meet with a woman with out someone else present.” In todays climate where a mere rumor/accusation can ruin your reputation…….
As it would never be used with a male colleague what is going to happen(and most likely has) is a another road block for women and a reinforcement for the good ole boy network
Jack
Flatus,
When I was a substitute teacher, I was on a long term assignment and had control over grades for the semester.
A 16 yo young lady stayed after class and stopped me as I was leaving to ask about her grade. I got the grade book out, pointed to her score where she was failing. She leaned into me suggestively and ask, “is there anything I can do to pass?” I carefully picked the grade book up with both hands stepped around to the back of my desk, getting it between me and her (where I should have been in the first place). I gave her a pen and had her write down 3 topics she could do a 2 page report on to raise her grade above failing. She never turned them in.
It was my first experience with the problem and not one that was ever addressed by college education courses. Though it should have been.
Jack
ewww ugggh jeeze what are these guys thinking
I am shocked at some of the names and so sad. As for Juanita Broderick yeah ok whatever but when you got on the Trump train – you became a political player and there is enough in your story that is not quite all there to put you in the yeah whatever category.
The New Yorker has an article positing that Steve Bannon and Karl Rove are fighting for the soul of the Republican party. Calling Oscar Wilde
Reformed bad boy, and still looking for redemption.
As Jack keeps trying to say, yes, there are a lot of girls and women who use sex to advance. That does not matter!!!!
It does not matter the age of the female, and what the female is trying to achieve – AND – most importantly NOT trying to have happen. If you sexually attack a young girl or woman, you are a sexual predator. The more intimate the attack and the younger the age you become a pedophile – just like Roy Moore.
If you think a girl using sex to get what she wants and she is not ninety, you as a male need to run away.
I think DD has a point and I also think Senator Franken did the right thing.
Unfortunately, the court of public opinion which is where most of these crimes will be tried is not always a fair court.
BB
please don’t read my mind and put words in my mouth.
The majority of women have all had a “fish lips with tonsil tickle” from some man. It’s disgusting when it happens, but fortunately we don’t blame all men for the gross acts of a few nor do we consider it a crime . In the Franken case, it was a decade ago. There does not at least at this point seem to be any other examples and he has apologized and asked for an Ethics hearing.
Now on the other side of things, Roger Stone knew something was going to drop, two days before this became news. Breitbart had a front page ready to go within minutes. The photographer who took the picture said she wasn’t asleep and they all were laughing about the “joke”. She regularly appears on Fox is the sports person on a talk radio station and is a Trump supporter.
None of the above is reason to disbelieve her account, but it is a reason to give Franken’s version the benefit of a doubt and proceed to that ethics hearing rather than holding a kangaroo court to toss him out on his ear.
I don’t like Al Franken. And, Senator Franken is a damn good senator.
When you keep an open mind, you never know who’ll walk in, or when.
There is also the more than small detail that if every politician who has ever strayed sexually in any way were thrown out, Congress wouldn’t be able to form a minion much less a quorum.
As they say, politics is sex for ugly people.
Oh and I agree with XR about Franken. He’s just not a funny as he thinks he is, but he is a good senator.
Jamie, could it be that, irony of ironies, the Ironic Age has lost its sense of humor? Letterman was one of the comics who ushered in the Ironic Age. (He had his brush with sexual scandal.)
Twitter, built for snark and instant judgment, is flooded with social justice warriors. Twitter, and its burnishing of egos and deadly Puritanism, hasn’t done us any favors.
Franken is a good senator, radio personality and public speaker. Sometimes his comedy seems sophomoric to me, but I’m more of a Three Stooges fan. I’m guessing Moe would be seen as bullying and aggressive now.
More than a crook…an international crime syndicate. assange’s request for trump’s taxes upsets the wikileaks gang…especially for jailed barrett brown.
He was particularly outraged by an Oct. 26, 2016 message, in which Assange had appealed to Trump Jr. to let WikiLeaks publish one or more of his father’s tax returns in order to make his group’s attacks on Hillary Clinton seem less biased. “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” the Assange-controlled @Wikileaks account suggested. “That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source, which the Clinton campaign is constantly slandering us with.”
How is your Dad, Craig?
bw, thanks for that link on barrett brown. this excerpt gives a glimpse into how angry he must be sitting there in prison on behalf of a rather ungrateful Assange for his sacrifice to WikiLeaks and the saintly Assange:
It is not surprising that Brown felt personally betrayed by Assange, since, as he explained on Facebook Tuesday night, “I went to prison because of my support for WikiLeaks.” Specifically, Brown said, the charges against him were related to his role in “operations to identify and punish members of the government and members of private companies that had been exposed by Anonymous hackers of my acquaintance, via email hacks, as having conspired to go after Assange, to go after WikiLeaks.”
That sort of activism, dedicated to making public secret wrongdoing, Brown argued, is very different from “colluding with an authoritarian presidential campaign backed by actual Nazis while publicly denying it.”
“Plainly,” he observed with bitterness, “the prospect of a Clinton in the White House was such an unimaginable nightmare scenario that all normal standards of truth and morality became moot and it became necessary to get people like Sebastian Gorka into the White House to establish order.”
“…people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.”
a concept as true today as it was 44 years ago.
any thoughts & memories out there of how you felt then and how you feel now about the respective (less than respectable) resident in the white house?
assange destroyed manning, too and it is all about assange.
Julian Assange has said Barack Obama’s decision to grant whistleblower Chelsea Manning clemency was a bid to “make life hard” for him.
nixon always seemed like a crook and a dick to me. I first saw him in person during the 1960’s election. I was six and saw him close-up in a motorcade. I thought he was an ugly man, sinister. By the time I was a teen? He really scared me as he declared a war on young people. He was so obviously wrong for the country, but the same group of haters had to punish the entire country after LBJ and the great society…voted for the crook instead of what was correct. His vp, agnew was a convicted crook.
Less than a year before Richard M. Nixon’s resignation as president of the United States, Spiro Agnew becomes the first U.S. vice president to resign in disgrace. The same day, he pleaded no contest to a charge of federal income tax evasion in exchange for the dropping of charges of political corruption.
I hope as a country we can once again recover from a corrupt potus like tricky dick…it is as big as my hope for Mueller to give us a Thanksgiving surprise!
“I am not a crook” I’ll bet the house he would have said, Sarah Sukabee is lovely
Hannity McHannityface.
Did Moore make Hannity’s deadline……so many people for poor Sean to please
Lucky lucky Roy -Sean is an idiot and will believe anything — guess that is the flip side of being a gooper you have to believe the lies
BW, f__k the Ford Bend Sheriff and Prosecutor.
I hear there is a new Faux special in the offing. Hannity – the Journey from Rushbo Wannabe to Cartoon Character. Be sure to check your channel guide for it. ?
Dad doing well, BW, Thanks — we’ve got a full day of checkups at the VA tomorrow.
PatD, that Nixon “crook” soundbite was one of my Zelig moments — I was there in the ballroom at the Contemporary Hotel, Disney World, where he said it. My orthodontist was county GOP chair and got me access. I went straight to the press area to see all the famous reporters. Particularly remember being excited about seeing Sam Donaldson. I didn’t pay a whole lot of attention to Nixon but do remember press corps going into full buzz mode when he spit out the “crook” line. Had no idea at the time it would become so historic, but it was obvious that day it had legs.
You have to love this – I certainly do.
A lesson on Roy Moore from his former law school professor
You’ll want to read the rest.
Pogo… I can’t wait to see how Moore acts while in the Senate. He’ll be a great gift to the Democrats.
I know I’ve told this story here before. I was traveling across the country with a girlfriend, her dog, and a tent while all the Nixon brou ha ha was going on. I didn’t learn of most of it until after the fact.
RR, assholes just gonna be assholes. So it will be with Roy.
Saw an interview with the NBC reporter Monday who was down in Jackson County, AL covering the Roy Moore story. They asked him what people were thinking and talking about and he said that they were waiting primarily for the Alabama Auburn game.
I remember thoroughly disliking Nixon but not in a virulent way in 1968, just enough to not vote for him and just enough lose me my job when the day after I commented that “At least 43% of the people are happy.”
This sexual leveling of the playing field is resembling The Reign of Terror. There’s little reflection, need for context, allowance for era… Nothing but swift knee jerk justice with no allowance for redemption. Point a finger and that guy is a goner. Off with his head.
Al Franken prompts me to write, but I’ve been worried about this from the start. We are so frustrated by the abomination/acknowledged deviant in the WH that we are casting glances, naming names and brooking nothing less than full compliance with the program.
This is as much insanity as *45 is insanity.
Disclosure: I am a doodler, not a dog, a journalist and artist, a woman who was raped and reported it, spoke up about it, took grief for doing so (primarily by women); sexually harassed at work and dealt with it. Oh, and perused by dirty old men and pervs at random. In short, I have some street cred on the topic. What is going on now is very weird, reactive and dangerous. We should stand back and do some serious reflecting.
I recall one afternoon in City Hall when I had to let a temp employee go (something I always did personally). As I went down the elevator with her, she reached over and switched it off. Despite her upturned head, I had no trouble finding the elevator on switch.
The only people I mentioned the unusual happening to were Kumcho and our Mayor, a woman.
pogo, the only bright side of roy debating in the senate would be if his opponent were ted… bets would be taken in the cloak room on whose head exploded first and at what point roy waves his revolver at ted.
“Nothing but swift knee jerk justice with no allowance for redemption. Point a finger and that guy is a goner. Off with his head.”
mrdd, have been concerned about that too. too many non-violent, less loathsome and titillatingly salacious charges (i.e. a crippled dotty h.w. patting a rear cause he can’t reach high enough to pat the shoulder) distract or dilute appropriate outrage from the very serious criminal ones committed by those upon which the wrath of all godly and ungodly people and the justice system should fall.
Franken releases new statement, calls for ethics investigation of himself
Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) is calling for an ethics investigation into his own behavior after a woman accused him of kissing and groping her without consent.
Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.
“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”
In a piece on KABC, Tweeden published a photo of Franken groping her breasts while they were both on a USO tour. She also wrote that Franken forcibly kissed her while they were rehearsing a sketch for a performance.
Franken initially issued a brief, three-sentence statement, in which he said he didn’t remember the rehearsal for the skit “in the same way.”
In that statement, he wrote that he sent “my sincerest apologies to Leeann,” and said he should not have taken the photo, which he described as “clearly intended to be funny.”
The second statement came after Franken faced criticism from across the political spectrum that his first statement did not represent a real apology.
“The first and most important thing—and if it’s the only thing you care to hear, that’s fine—is: I’m sorry,” he wrote in the new statement.
“I respect women. I don’t respect men who don’t,” Franken continued. “And the fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed.”
Franken doubled down on his claim that he does not remember the rehearsal for the skit “in the same way” as Tweeden.
But he said Tweeden “deserved to be heard.”
“The truth is, what people think of me in light of this is far less important than what people think of women who continue to come forward to tell their stories,” Franken said. “They deserve to be heard, and believed. And they deserve to know that I am their ally and supporter. I have let them down and am committed to making it up to them.”
[…continues…]
What Franken did was inappropriate…. but there’s a world of difference between how he is handling his response and Moore’s continuing denials and attacks on his accusers.
More interesting to me is how the Republicans (and the WH) are trying to spin their tax bill as being “friendly for hard working middle class folks”…. yeah sure…. and I can fly over the rainbow and find a pot o’ gold… honestly.
Damn you putie and your trolls for muddying the sexual American swamp as if it wasn’t dirty enough. There are sexual crimes which are mostly against underage humans and incapacitated humans. Damaging and violent crimes. To be kissed by fish lips franken and also able to subdue him so easily? Not so much damage.
But to stalk teenagers, take a peek backstage at underage girls, talk about your daughter like she is a sex object? Crossing the line.
Like many on the trail, I have been the victim of an attempted rape by a man with a knife (they never caught the guy). I have been drugged on a date…more serious crimes. I was lucky and I am still alive. The degree of assault can range from verbal or it can end a life. Abuses and crimes…going on for a long time in our institutions.
renee, yep as you say “there’s a world of difference between how he is handling his response and Moore’s continuing denials and attacks on his accusers” and a lot of what he says below can be applied to many of us (me in particular) who think we’re just being funny/clever/scintillating but are stupidly insensitive with our brand of humor.
Coming from the world of comedy, I’ve told and written a lot of jokes that I once thought were funny but later came to realize were just plain offensive. But the intentions behind my actions aren’t the point at all. It’s the impact these jokes had on others that matters. And I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to time to terms with that.
One of the hardest thing to do is come out about some level of sexual abuse by men. Having my rear groped in a public setting was about the worse thing I ever experienced. It happens all the time on the Metro too, but not as terrible as in a packed lobby with many friends and acquaintances. Another sickening experience is men who think it is appropriate to tell “dirty” stories or sexual talk, to a transgender person. It is sickening how often that happens. Even telling them that it is disturbing does not stop them.
After reading this story on NPR’s sexual harassment and the tikie tac nature of some of the statements, some unintended consequences of current trends becomes blindingly apparent
If I worked at NPR I would be tempted to adhere to the Mike Pence rule, “never meet with a woman with out someone else present.” In todays climate where a mere rumor/accusation can ruin your reputation…….
As it would never be used with a male colleague what is going to happen(and most likely has) is a another road block for women and a reinforcement for the good ole boy network
Jack
Flatus,
When I was a substitute teacher, I was on a long term assignment and had control over grades for the semester.
A 16 yo young lady stayed after class and stopped me as I was leaving to ask about her grade. I got the grade book out, pointed to her score where she was failing. She leaned into me suggestively and ask, “is there anything I can do to pass?” I carefully picked the grade book up with both hands stepped around to the back of my desk, getting it between me and her (where I should have been in the first place). I gave her a pen and had her write down 3 topics she could do a 2 page report on to raise her grade above failing. She never turned them in.
It was my first experience with the problem and not one that was ever addressed by college education courses. Though it should have been.
Jack
ewww ugggh jeeze what are these guys thinking
I am shocked at some of the names and so sad. As for Juanita Broderick yeah ok whatever but when you got on the Trump train – you became a political player and there is enough in your story that is not quite all there to put you in the yeah whatever category.
The New Yorker has an article positing that Steve Bannon and Karl Rove are fighting for the soul of the Republican party. Calling Oscar Wilde
Reformed bad boy, and still looking for redemption.
As Jack keeps trying to say, yes, there are a lot of girls and women who use sex to advance. That does not matter!!!!
It does not matter the age of the female, and what the female is trying to achieve – AND – most importantly NOT trying to have happen. If you sexually attack a young girl or woman, you are a sexual predator. The more intimate the attack and the younger the age you become a pedophile – just like Roy Moore.
If you think a girl using sex to get what she wants and she is not ninety, you as a male need to run away.
I think DD has a point and I also think Senator Franken did the right thing.
Unfortunately, the court of public opinion which is where most of these crimes will be tried is not always a fair court.
BB
please don’t read my mind and put words in my mouth.
Jack
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/keystone-pipeline-closed-through-several-states-after-200-000-gallon-n821606
RR
The majority of women have all had a “fish lips with tonsil tickle” from some man. It’s disgusting when it happens, but fortunately we don’t blame all men for the gross acts of a few nor do we consider it a crime . In the Franken case, it was a decade ago. There does not at least at this point seem to be any other examples and he has apologized and asked for an Ethics hearing.
Now on the other side of things, Roger Stone knew something was going to drop, two days before this became news. Breitbart had a front page ready to go within minutes. The photographer who took the picture said she wasn’t asleep and they all were laughing about the “joke”. She regularly appears on Fox is the sports person on a talk radio station and is a Trump supporter.
None of the above is reason to disbelieve her account, but it is a reason to give Franken’s version the benefit of a doubt and proceed to that ethics hearing rather than holding a kangaroo court to toss him out on his ear.
I don’t like Al Franken. And, Senator Franken is a damn good senator.
When you keep an open mind, you never know who’ll walk in, or when.
There is also the more than small detail that if every politician who has ever strayed sexually in any way were thrown out, Congress wouldn’t be able to form a minion much less a quorum.
As they say, politics is sex for ugly people.
Oh and I agree with XR about Franken. He’s just not a funny as he thinks he is, but he is a good senator.
Jamie, could it be that, irony of ironies, the Ironic Age has lost its sense of humor? Letterman was one of the comics who ushered in the Ironic Age. (He had his brush with sexual scandal.)
Twitter, built for snark and instant judgment, is flooded with social justice warriors. Twitter, and its burnishing of egos and deadly Puritanism, hasn’t done us any favors.
Franken is a good senator, radio personality and public speaker. Sometimes his comedy seems sophomoric to me, but I’m more of a Three Stooges fan. I’m guessing Moe would be seen as bullying and aggressive now.