Question: What does the Tidy Bowl man yell when he hears flushing? — Carnac Quotes
By Blue Bronc, a Trail Mix Contributor
If this was a football game it would be truly called the Toilet Bowl. UNC concession stands could sell empty orange juice bottles for use by the unfortunates unable to pass the potty patrol birth certificate and crotch inspections. North Carolina is suing the United States in an effort to force transgender people and those whose appearance and plumbing do not match what the doctor wrote when they were born to use the wrong restroom. The United States of America is suing North Carolina to say they will let people use the correct restroom.
“Ah the good old days”, thinks the governor and his legislators. Just like back when a certain group of states decided to take on the United States of America to keep slavery that “peculiar institution”. How belligerence has changed. North Carolina has been extremely active attempting to return Black American to those good old days by preventing them from voting. But has now found itself controlling the commode to transgender people too. How far they have fallen.
Neither laws are what a modern, say post 1776, state should be doing or proud of. But, as the governor and legislators know, they cannot return Americans to slavery, they decided to take on a minority which they thought could not make them look ridiculous (bordering on stupid) instead. What came as a way to discriminate has now turned in to an economic dump. (see Paypal)
I am not trying to create an equivalence of the Black civil rights movement to transgender discrimination, although U.S. AG Lynch does (in a way). I am pointing out how the mindset of ignorance and hate tries to discriminate and harass those who are not like themselves, in this case white males in political power.
I do have to admit I have some skin in the game. I am a card carrying ACLU member, ACLU is suing N.C. I also support the Lavender Law Project. They are suing N.C. My boss, the U.S., is suing N.C. And, allegedly, I may have broken, allegedly, the N.C. law by repeatedly, allegedly, using the, allegedly, restroom over a, allegedly, couple of days, allegedly, this month. My boss says the law is unconstitutional anyway so it does not matter. But, I want to be sure before I return to the land where the governor wants to check out everyone who uses the latrine. And that means everyone because you cannot tell from exterior views or even the plumbing, who is lying about their privates.
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“Ah the good old days”, thinks the governor and his legislators
bb, only uni-sex outhouses, thunder mugs and handy places to squat were in those “good old days” of their founding fathers. even nowadays we have all-for-ones and one-for-alls on planes and homes. they, like drumpf seem only to remember living in the ’50s as the good old days.
has it crossed anyone’s mind that maybe they’re more scared of losing the male bonding opportunities at their gang urinals than protecting the ladies since the solution to the “problem” seems as simple as installing latchable stall doors for privacy (maybe burley bathroom matrons for security).
Excellent post BB. Even a flashlight with dead batteries can shine a light on the stupidity in NC.
Ok, I’m waiting for the wailing about Hillary tying Bernie in delegates in WV. If only there were Independent super delegates in the Democratic party, Bernie would have won WV. Let the rigged system crying begin. He narrowed the pledged delegate margin by 5 last night. Convention, here they come.
the amazing carnac the magnificent predicts jon huntsman as nominee’s vp.
he gives drumpf a semblance of political experience, global wisdom, family values and everything else that’s lacking in the nominee. only thing that might squelch this scenario is if huntsman is seen as taller and better looking.
oops, the great carnac forgot to post his picture
Math. 3.05 million votes, 286 delegates. That’s the deficit after winning 3 of the last 4. 11 states left. Bernie’s target moves up to 72% of remaining delegates. He won 53% of the available delegates in those 4 contests. In WV where clinton did not campaign he won 58% of the vote. Even I can do that math.
patd – I remember two holers and even three holers. Thank you for the Carnac pic. It does him well.
This entire episode is not a unique effort in the NC legislature and gov’s office. Across all states, territories and the District, far right “religious” organizations send “model” legislation to the Republican legislators to introduce every session. Even if not passed out of committee the groups use failure for promotion and fund raising. Successes, such as NC along with IN and AZ but were vetoed out of Republican business side concerns, lead to a lot of publicity and public derision. Right now NC is spending a lot of money, tax money, to go to court. Combine the millions it will spend along with the millions/billions of dollars in lost tourist and corporate income, the state is paying for protecting against a nonexistent threat. Hopefully the good citizens of NC will toss out the teabags this fall.
BB,
Thanks another very informative piece.. I’m wondering just how long it will take all these lawsuits to force NC to do the right thing and rescind the bathroom law?
Hillary Clinton Takes a Step to the Left on Health Care
by ALAN RAPPEPORT and MARGOT SANGER-KATZ
For months during the Democratic presidential nominating contest, Hillary Clinton has resisted calls from Senator Bernie Sanders to back a single-payer health system, arguing that the fight for government-run health care was a wrenching legislative battle that had already been lost.
But as she tries to clinch the nomination, Mrs. Clinton is moving to the left on health care and this week took a significant step in her opponent’s direction, suggesting she would like to give people the option to buy into Medicare.
“I’m also in favor of what’s called the public option, so that people can buy into Medicare at a certain age,” Mrs. Clinton said on Monday at a campaign event in Virginia.
Mr. Sanders calls his single-payer health care plan “Medicare for all.” What Mrs. Clinton proposed was a sort of Medicare for more.
The Medicare program covers Americans once they reach 65. Beneficiaries pay premiums to help cover the cost of their coverage, but the government pays the bulk of the bill. Mrs. Clinton’s suggestion was that perhaps younger Americans, “people 55 or 50 and up,” could voluntarily pay to join the program.
BB…the Ty-D-Bol man has a new job! Birth certificate verification. These are the same folks from the 1970’s — the evangelical/social conservatives. Whining humans who moan about government intruding into their lives…the bedroom and now the bathroom. They are the ones sticking their nose where it does not belong! The passage of these contorted laws are a drag on society, so-to-speak. This group most likely overlaps with a lot of racists, birthers and radical pro-lifers.
Register to vote! I do not hear enough about party efforts to get citizens registered to vote. Trump has violated the RNC voter suppression rule and gotten more humans to register and vote. It is one of the keys to his success and it why the repugs have wanted to suppress that kind of voter…for them it is better if these humans stay home. Let the real repugs vote in a controlled election. Voter registration for the rich and famous? In a Caroline Kennedy moment, Ivanka Trump also failed to register to vote by deadline. Ah the uber wealthy, so dis-attached.
As for Bernie Sanders…he is looking greedier by the minute. My biggest complaint with Bernie? He does nothing for the DNC future…no grooming of young candidates. No money or attention, either. His economic plan? Very little benefit for the humans voting for him. It seems he only promotes Jane and himself. I still see him as a Trojan horse who is helping take HRC down.
“I still see him as a Trojan horse who is helping take HRC down.”
bw, and the other side has gladly stuffed that horse with money and brownshirts disguised as bernie bros to help him. his criticisms of her are already showing up in goper speeches and ads.
is that what you had in mind or was that meant to be a reference to him being a big hollow wooden head?
Trump Says He Would Appoint Pro-Life Justice To Supreme Court
Caitlyn Mcneillhttp
Come on people this is all you need to know if you’re sitting on the fence about whether to support Hillary or not. Even staying home is not an option..
Wooden head is a veteran campaigner and has usually benefitted from foil money and backing for his cause…he is an old has been, but a great campaigner. Again, this is more about grooming Jane and purifying her Catholic status since she took so much heat about that real estate loan and the Catholic Diocese in Vermont. Her overstating land values in 2010. Whispers of Whitewater. Goes both ways, Bern.
Nate Silver rips Trump-Clinton polls in 8-part Twitter rant
By Brianna Gurciullo
Holy Hip replacement. Ruskie Trump supporter falls faster than Trump in November!
mother jones:
On Monday evening, California’s secretary of state published a list of delegates chosen by the Trump campaign for the upcoming Republican presidential primary in the state. Trump’s slate includes William Johnson, one of the country’s most prominent white nationalists. [Update: Responding to this story late Tuesday, the Trump campaign blamed Johnson’s selection on a “database error,” and Johnson told Mother Jones he would resign. Here are documents showing the Trump campaign’s personal correspondence with Johnson yesterday.]
Johnson applied to the Trump campaign to be a delegate. He was accepted on Monday. In order to be approved he had to sign this pledge sent to him by the campaign: “I, William Johnson, endorse Donald J. Trump for the office of President of the United States. I pledge to cast ALL of my ballots to elect Donald J. Trump on every round of balloting at the 2016 Republican National Convention so that we can MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” After he signed, the Trump campaign added his name to the list of 169 delegates it forwarded to the secretary of state.
“I can be a white nationalist and be a strong supporter of Donald Trump and be a good example to everybody,” Johnson says.
Johnson leads the American Freedom Party, a group that “exists to represent the political interests of White Americans” and aims to preserve “the customs and heritage of the European American people.”
hmmm. is that the voice of “sieg heil” we hear out there in drumpfland?
bb Do you think we could arrange for a battalion of America’s finest to descend on the governor’s executive mansion and exercise their rights to take a dump in the most convenient place? Of course these good soldiers would dig potty holes and cover them after they did their duty. Might even be able to shame the Marines from that coastal Camp into doing something equivalent.
BB…. excellent post! Old white men who want to put a wrinkle where you tinkle.
Just read a very good article this morning in the Economist about Trump and how he is the natural successor to the failed Tea Party. Hopefully he flops too.
Here it is… Fear Trumps Hope
Renee, speaking of The Economist, I’m desperate to get on the delivery list for a Fazioli.
Heard with interest today that Hillary had moved to left and agreed with Bernie about a public option. Excuse me for being old, but I seem to remember way back in the dim reaches of time that she first proposed this in the original health care program back during the first Clinton administration. That got shot down by the GOP then so she brought it up again during the 2008 campaign.
Amazing that she is only now being heard after Bernie yelled it at his fan club in his drive to “Win”. Not quite sure what he wants to “Win” since he hasn’t actually mentioned what he would do afterwards.
You are absolutely correct Jamie. Hillary has long supported the public option.
Lots of people here were wondering why Sanders was making another Oregon visit yesterday here in Salem.
It might be related to new polling. Yesterday OPB (public broadcasting) / KPTV (fox) published a poll showing Hillary well ahead in Oregon. It is available on the KPTV website. This would be in the face of conventional wisdom. Turnout is high here due to our mail election system. I hope the poll is correct.
i have been doing my daily sign holding and find greater support than 2008.
Today’s Morning Plum has a few good bits in it. Well worth the read.
OD, Clinton should at least throw some money into tv ads in OR. I hate seeing her lose in states where she chose not to compete even if the net result does not affect the delegate math to any real degree.
OD, and all others who are interested, Oregon ain’t Washington. This Inquisitr.com article explains how the two states are alike and how they differ. I think the article underestimates the closed nature and vote by mail effects, but what do I know about Oregon? Damned little.
It is nice seeing that in the official primary results, Hillary beat Bernie in Nebraska. Caucuses suck.
http://electionresults.sos.ne.gov/resultsSW.aspx?text=Race&type=PRS&map=CTY
I tried 🙁 said the Ohlfahrt who suffered another birthday last Thursday.
Flatus, I will say to you with the same sarcasm I receive birthday wishes with – Happy Birthday. I figure as long as I’m trampling grass instead of pushing it up, a birthday is worth at least a little celebration.
OK, so what is the significance of the Nebraska Dem primary? I assume either the caucus or primary does not affect the delegate distribution.
The NE caucuses reported 33,460 participating and a delegate split of 10 to Hillary and 15 to Bernie. The NE SoS reports Dem primary voting of 78,510, with Hillary getting 53.27% and Bernie getting 46.73%. This refutes arguments of Bernie’s camp about the caucuses reflecting the will of the people on a couple of levels. The caucus was closed – I assume the primary was as well?
Pogo
It was just interesting as a poll of hard core voters. If you voted yesterday you were among a distinct minority
There were not many more votes than in the caucuses but it was almost the exact opposite out come.
Jack
Pogo, the significance is that it offers Hillary no delegates despite the sampling size being a couple times that of the caucus held a couple of months ago. Bernie won the caucus. This validates Jamie’s dismay at the caucus system being held out as a meaningful substitute for primaries.
It’s evidently a peculiarity in Nebraska law that requires the meaningless primary to be held for presidential contests if statewide primaries are being held for other offices.
Ah my memory failed me still not very many voters
Jack
Well I did attend the WA caucus to support Hillary. Today I am dropping off three votes from the family for Hillary for the WA primary. It will be interesting to see the difference between the caucus and vote by mail totals in the state.
Unfortunately, the Democratic Party in the state doesn’t count Democratic votes from the Primary.
That is what I suspected. I was just too lazy to do the research.
Let me see if I understand the WV voter
A woman is better than a black person but any white man even a socialist Jew from NYC is better than a woman
The current Trump attack on Clinton is very swiftboat-ish and sordidly clever and of course, the slobbering media can’t get enough of it and Trump controls them their mothers must be so proud
Maybe the never trump people should get down in the mud with him and start talking about his lifetime of disgusting behavior
Pogo
Feel free to send them a nasty tweet either of two places @washdems @washdemocrats or email them on their website http://www.wa-democrats.org/contact
Trump wants to have Rudy 9/11 be the evictor of Muslims
MSNBC keeps repeating all the Trump sponsored crap and Katie Tour is now a Trump apologist –she only talks about Trumps outrageous behavior never any discussion of his shallow knee jerk policy pronouncements If this is MSNBC’s idea of reporting -so sad as usual
KGC
it is all about money on cable news. outrageous behavior drives numbers.
Jack
KC, that about sums up the WV electorate. 🙁
A few other thoughts.
Renee, I agree that Trump has stolen the teaparty grass roots from the Koch bros. That was my thoughts when Pat posted a 538 piece about There not being a revolution in the Republican rank and file. Thats cause it has already happened.
As to the recent polls Craig mentioned, We now know why HRC was spending time in coal country instead of Indiana. She was being hurt by the attack ads coming out of WV. Not in WV as pogo says that one is not in her column but in Penn and Ohio where she also made appearances
And How is HRC responding to Trumps attacks. It was all over the WaPo web site yesterday. Team Hillary has the ear of the Post, rather interesting.
Jack
It’s ONLY about eyeball count and ads. The crap between the ads is just bait.
Clinton’s low numbers with men are with WHITE men not all men
This country elected the cleaned up version of Donald Trump
Shrub.
I don’t think Trump has the tea party — I think he has the never voted before — people who do get their information from Glen Beck and Sean Hannity – whose knowledge about governance and public policy doesn’t reach abysmal
A conservative columnist/blogger on the WaPO website
BB – Good post. What perplexes me even more are the TX cities/entities fighting over where one pees after all of the trouble in NC. The Lt. Gov. had an afternoon, press conference yesterday; cheap, political points from his wingnut constituents.
The mayor of Paris said Trump is a stupid man
Trump said in response I suppose she is like Obama denying there is a problem with radical Islamists —
When did anyone deny there was a problem? Why hasn’t someone called him on his horseshit on this issue
And let Bernie be Bernie – he is running until the end stop asking him when he is getting out
Ya know speaking of looking “foolish and hypocritical”
lol
Budweiser is replacing the “Budweiser” on it’s label and Calling itself “America”
Of course Budweiser is nolonger an American company.
Yuengling Original Black & Tan is our family beer. Since 1829. America’s oldest Brewery. Pottsville, Pa.
Donald Trump needs cash, but GOP donors not opening their wallets:
Deep-pocketed financiers, who have collectively poured hundreds of millions of dollars into efforts to elect past GOP nominees, say they are monitoring Trump’s tone — and waiting for his phone call.
Fred Malek, finance chair of the Republican Governors Association and a major GOP fundraiser, said the donors who are choosing to sit on the sidelines are looking for a more conciliatory Trump. They are seeking reassurance, he said, that the presumptive nominee has put the constant party-bashing from the primary season behind him.
“He seems to be taking the position that — ‘Hey, he’s the nominee so you’ve got to get behind him.’ Well, it doesn’t work that way,” said Malek, who noted he has not yet heard of Trump making overtures to big donors. “He’s going to have to figure out that he’s got to be more inclusive and bring people together, and I think he will.”
[….]
But some GOP donors say there’s nothing Trump can do to win them over.
Mac Stipanovich, a Florida lobbyist who supported Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign, recently penned an “open letter” to fellow Republicans pleading that they reject Trump. He told CNN that he will keep raising money for the Republican Party, but only for committees that have no connection to the presidential campaign.
“If the RNC is going to spend money to elect Donald Trump, then I won’t give them money,” he said.
Stipanovich said that ultimately, he doesn’t believe Trump will enjoy the “uniform support usually enjoyed by a Republican nominee.
“I think that part of what Speaker Ryan has done is try to insulate his members and their campaigns from what may be a disastrous Trump affect down ballot,” Stipanovich said. “He basically signaled: I’m not going to pressure you to get on board the Trump train.”
Mac Stipanovich: An open letter to my fellow Republicans
Each of us wants to believe that if we were tested in some fundamental way when the chips were down — morally, spiritually, or physically — that we would pass the test.
But we do not really expect to be tested. That sort of thing only happens to people we see on television and read about in books, heroes and such. And if we were tested, surely we would know it. How could a literal moment of truth in our lives go unnoticed?
The answer is Normalcy Bias. That’s the sense that this day, this problem, or, in the instant case, this election is pretty much like any other, different only in degree, not in kind, that everything will be alright, notwithstanding overwhelming evidence to the contrary, because everything has always been alright before.
We analyze, rationalize, and temporize until we fail the test by not taking it.
Make no mistake, we Republicans stand on the threshold of a fundamental moral test in the 2016 presidential election, a challenge so serious as to be existential. As Ronald Reagan said in 1964, it is a time for choosing, and the choice, while clear, is one Reagan could never have imagined.
Hillary Clinton on the one hand; Donald Trump on the other. Scylla and Charybdis. The Devil and the deep blue sea. Or so it would appear.
But appearances deceive. Hillary Clinton is in the minds of many conservatives an ethically challenged liberal, hatred of whom has become a reflexive part of Republican liturgy. But as flawed as she may be, she is different only in degree from past presidential candidates. She is business as usual concealed by a little progressive smoke here and a few populist mirrors there.
Donald Tump, on the other hand, is different in kind, and dangerously so.
On a personal level, Trump is a boor, a bully, a carnival barker, and an embarrassment. Politically, by intent or instinct, he is a neo-fascist — a nativist, an ultranationalist, a racist, a misogynist, an anti-intellectual, a demagogue, and a palingenetic (sorry) authoritarian to whom clings the odor of the political violence he encourages.
He appeals to our fears, preys on our anxieties, and exploits our ignorance. A worse candidate to sit in the Oval Office for the next four years cannot be imagined.
And he is our responsibility. We spawned Donald Trump; now we must stop him. We must deny him the presidency by not voting in the presidential election at all or voting for Hillary Clinton if conscience permits.
A drop of a few percentage points in the Republican vote for Trump will be enough, which is why the pressure to conform, to toe the Party line, will be enormous. We cannot depend on our elected leaders to lead us. They, for the most part, will fold like cheap lawn chairs, cowed by fear and fueled by ambition.
It’s up to us. Each one of us is being tested, and the choice each of us makes matters, for ourselves, for our grandchildren. As bad as the cure for Trump’s Caesarism will be for the Party and for the country, it will not be bad as the disease, and both will survive.
So if anyone asks you, “Et tu Brute?” answer proudly, “Damned right.”
***
John “Mac” Stipanovich is a Republican lawyer and lobbyist who served as Gov. Bob Martinez’s chief of staff. Column courtesy of Context Florida.
mac, even tho’ i’m a hard-core Hillary supporter, i thank you for your letter to your colleagues. the crux of what you said is worthy of many many reposts:
Hillary Clinton on the one hand; Donald Trump on the other. Scylla and Charybdis. The Devil and the deep blue sea. Or so it would appear.
But appearances deceive. Hillary Clinton is in the minds of many conservatives an ethically challenged liberal, hatred of whom has become a reflexive part of Republican liturgy. But as flawed as she may be, she is different only in degree from past presidential candidates. She is business as usual concealed by a little progressive smoke here and a few populist mirrors there.
Donald Tump, on the other hand, is different in kind, and dangerously so.
On a personal level, Trump is a boor, a bully, a carnival barker, and an embarrassment. Politically, by intent or instinct, he is a neo-fascist — a nativist, an ultranationalist, a racist, a misogynist, an anti-intellectual, a demagogue, and a palingenetic (sorry) authoritarian to whom clings the odor of the political violence he encourages.
He appeals to our fears, preys on our anxieties, and exploits our ignorance. A worse candidate to sit in the Oval Office for the next four years cannot be imagined.
And he is our responsibility. We spawned Donald Trump; now we must stop him. We must deny him the presidency by not voting in the presidential election at all or voting for Hillary Clinton if conscience permits.
Nice work BB. Traveling with Dad and David to Kentucky tomorrow for a family celebration we’re doing for Mom in their hometown, Renfro Valley, on Saturday morning, so I might not be around much next few days. We might even go to the Barn Dance my great uncle John Lair founded.
Have a wonderful time, Craig, full of many lifetimes replete with memories.
our fearless leader’s great uncle John Lair himself narrates this vid
Ah PatD, that’s him, was a pleasure to know, finest speaking voice in history. Come join us, although I know you are very far away
In case you aren’t all horsed out, the Preakness is on May 21 and here are the Contenders
The Post Position Draw will be May 18. See your local bookie to place your bets. ?
Does Trump need GOP cash? Won’t he still get all of the free media/circus coverage he/we can handle?
Craig – Wishing you, David & your dad a safe journey. I’m sure it will be touching & memorable.
Will trump take the GOP cash? Does a bear shit in the woods? What business man doesn’t take free money?
Flatus, I’m a Yuengling Lager fan. I love their classic lager.
KC, as for me, Bernie can stay in or get out, just don’t slime Hillary in the next few weeks, and ask that she reciprocate. There’s something bigger at stake than Bernie’s presidential aspirations. Now if Bernie doesn’t understand that he won’t proceed this way. I hope that’s not the case.
Craig, safe joyney and happy trails.
And, be free to use restrooms from here to there.
Pogo, I’m with you. Bernie can be in to make HRC look left. But, don’t intercourse up how HRC wins and keeps the U.S. from destruction.
Bernie Sanders Goes Off on MSNBC’s Mitchell: ‘Don’t Moan to Me About Hillary’s Problems’
Matt Wilstein
All the best to you & your loved ones, Mr Crawford.
Happy Trip, you guys !
I think I saw a shift in Bernie’s stump speech more attacking Trump
Jamie, I’m picking the following for Preakness,
1. Nyquist
2. Brody’s Cause
3. Stradivari
Jamie, am all in for the desormeaux duo. my trifecta this time is exaggerator win, place, and show…. many many lengths ahead of the pack
boss, thanks for the invite. can’t make it. wish I could. but have a great time with the kin folk. pogo’s probably closer to renfro valley than any of us. maybe he can be the trail ambassador at the big down home doin’s there.
bb, hope you got to see this tonight on the newshour. am looking forward to your critique of it.
Yes, seems i saw a few headlines about Bernie upping attacks on Trump lessening his HRC attacks.. I know that Andrea Mitchell interview he sure was cranky.. All i could think of is if Hillary ever acted like that, wow, the press would crucify her..
also on newshour was this delicious snippet:
JUDY WOODRUFF: Mike Murphy, you’re a Republican who has probably never supported a Democrat, but why isn’t Donald Trump someone you can get — you can go along with?
MIKE MURPHY, Republican Strategist: Well, to be clear, I’m not supporting Hillary Clinton. I think she would be an awful president.
The problem is, I know Trump would be an awful president, too, and to support him, in my view, crosses a moral line and sells out every principle our party believes in. He is not a conservative. He is not a good businessman. I don’t think he believes in anything other than himself. And he is not qualified to be president of the United States, both by some of the things he’s said and by the clear lack of comprehension he has on a lot of complicated, important issues.
So Republicans like me are going to be focusing down-ballot, where we have a Senate to reelect, and House races and gubernatorial races we care a lot about, but no way I am going to vote for Trump.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Congressman Labrador, let’s just tackle part of that. We heard Mike Murphy say he’s not qualified to be president.
REP. RAUL LABRADOR: You know, he might not be qualified. That’s up to the people to decide whether he’s qualified or not.
But the reality is that we know what makes Hillary Clinton disqualified. And on this race, we only have two choices. I’m also going to be concentrating down-ballot. I’m also going to be worried about the Senate and the House. But the reality is that we have a very important decision that needs to be made about who the next Supreme Court justice is.
There is only one person who is going to make that decision, and it’s going to be the next president of the United States. So I’m hoping that we can influence Donald Trump to pick the right person for the Supreme Court, to pick the right person to be his vice president. All those are very important decisions.
And even though I disagree with him a lot, I think I’m going to disagree with Hillary Clinton a lot more.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Why isn’t that an argument to at least try to work with Donald Trump, Mike Murphy?
MIKE MURPHY: Well, because everything we know about Trump’s history, which tends to predict the future, is bad.
He’s been a liberal Democrat. He’s pretended to be a conservative. The Supreme Court is important, but Trump will put Gary Busey on it. I mean, he’s totally uncontrollable. So taking a 100-to-1 bet that the one issue Trump will be trustworthy and responsible on is the Supreme Court in exchange for handing him the presidency — although, frankly, I think he can’t win and he’s going to bring disaster to the party nonetheless — I think is a fool’s bet.
And the moral compromise you have to make to support a guy like that is a price too high to pay. The Republican Party can outlast four years of Hillary Clinton if we have to and rebuild a party that is worth voting for in four years. I don’t like the idea of Hillary Clinton as president, but I just abhor Trump too much to support him.
Patd,
In the previous two elections the Mike Murphys of the world would have voted for a speckled cockroach as a result of their dislike for Obama.
I find it absurd that they are getting squeamish over Trump. These are the very same folks that would have supported Herman Cain or Newt Gingrich had they been the nominee.
Patd & poobah, Renfro valley’s quite the hike from here. Wouldn’t be able to do that and work on the honey-do list. And I have to live with Mrs. P.
Patd & poobah, Renfro valley’s quite the hike from here. Wouldn’t be able to do that and work on the honey-do list. And I have to live with Mrs. P.
Jamie, if gun runner isn’t taken, put me on him.
I have all the bets on this thread so far. More info later.
No surprise
Thanks for all well wishes. Your thread posts still welcome. I can publish from my phone
Safe journey going home, Toby and company.
Craig
Have a wonderful time with family, friends, and music. Look forward to your return.
“I can publish from my phone”
craig, a literal literary moveable feast.
how ’bout just a scenic pic of where you are for our next thread?
Clinton Starts with a Decisive Advantage
Working-class whites aren’t enough to carry Trump to victory
by Stuart Rothenberg
Tony, that trump graphic you posted tells quite the tale. What I find most interesting is the youth demo. The problem with those kinds of stats its that Hillary’s would look something like that among youth, and white guys (not reflected in the trump numbers). Bernie’s would look the best of all the candidates but he’s no. 3 in votes, delegates, etc.
Craig…. have a great time!… and I second patd… just put up a picture of you and the family… love to see it.
The real math on Sander’s steep path to a pledged delegate win.
ripperz and lobbyists buying your Dem convention in Philly : http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/republican_donors_and_anti-obamacare_lobbyists_to_host_20160511
There are not enough recreational drugs in the world to make me sit through the next six months of goopers twisting themselves to support Donald Trump
Is Trump a negotiator and if so what is his record?
I would like the clothespin concession at the Republican convention
“Is Trump a negotiator and if so what is his record?” KGC
Well, he’s not in jail, he has an airplane with his name on it, he has many buildings with his name on them, and he insults with impunity. You tell me, what’s his record?
While you’re showing us his negotiating skill, Flatus, please also show us his tax returns.
I especially want to see 2009 and 2010.
new yorker’s george packer:
Last week, Donald Trump became the leader of the Republican Party. He thrashed his way to this summit by understanding what many intelligent people utterly failed to see: the decline of American institutions and mores, from Wall Street and the Senate to cable news and the Twitterverse, made the candidacy of a celebrity proto-fascist with no impulse control not just possible but in some ways inevitable. It shouldn’t have been such a surprise. An early tremor came in 2008, in the person of Sarah Palin, who endorsed Trump before almost any other top Republican. In her contempt for qualifications, her blithe ignorance, she was an avatar for Trump. A lot of Republicans, many of them female, saw in the small-town common woman an image of themselves; many men see in the say-anything billionaire an image of their aspirations. Palin showboated her way from politics to reality TV, while Trump swaggered in the opposite direction. Together, they wore a path that is already almost normal.
[packer’s best phrase: “a celebrity proto-fascist with no impulse control”]
Flatus
All true but not necessarily the result of his negotiating skill
from politicususa: Harry Reid Storms The Senate And Blows Up Mitch McConnell With Trump WMD
By Jason Easley on Thu, May 12th, 2016 at 11:11 am
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid took apart Majority Leader Mitch McConnell by using Trump as a weapon of mass Republican destruction
I wish harry would lead a mutiny using mitch’s flawed logic [about waiting for the people’s will in next election before he’ll let senate hold hearings and vote on scotus nominee iow prez is not really a prez]. and kick him from his throne and hoist him on his own petard.
24 gop senators are up for election; therefore, mitch old man, you ain’t no longer in the majority and according to your calculations they can’t vote, hold hearings or do squat until the voters vote and the will of the people is known.
Donald Trump is the king — maybe even the president — of schoolyard bullying tactics, and his chief strategist stops by to give Stephen a taste.
Hillary Clinton will support her big donors before she will support women. Bernie is showing his age when he cannot remember this flip flop on Hillary.
Elizabeth Warren pointed to a time when donors’ interests may have changed Hillary Clinton’s position on bankruptcy laws.
Warren in the 1990s wrote an editorial opposing a proposed piece of legislation tightening bankruptcy laws. Warren explained to Hillary Clinton, at the time the first lady, that it would disproportionately hurt single mothers. Afterward, Clinton returned to Washington and, according to her biography, persuaded Bill Clinton to veto the legislation.
But when Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate and another version of the same bill came to the floor [S.420 – the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2001], she did an about face and voted in favor of it.
I think single mothers out number big bankers as constituents but not as donors.
Clinton Policies Have Hurt Women
Posted on May 12, 2016 by Yves Smith
Yves here. This post is an indictment of the policy positions that Clinton has taken on issues that affect women.
Another disingenuous element of the “women should vote for Hillary” campaign is that the efforts she’s been touting to prove her bona fides, such as her intent to name a Cabinet with half the posts filled by women, is that she’s selling trickle-down feminism. The tacit assumption is that breaking the glass ceiling is an important breakthrough for women. In fact, that is a concern of elite women. As Hillary’s own record attests, and that of women CEOs (Linda Wachner to Marissa Mayer) or women in Congress (Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi are prime examples, as are Republicans like Joni Ernst from Iowa and Shelley Moore Capito from West Virginia), women in positions of influence more often identify with members of their class (well off, well educated women) than middle and lower class people of either gender.
Although there is much to be said for the critique in this article, I’m leery of the “feminist values” framing. It reinforces gender stereotyping. And Hillary making her status as a female candidate a prime reason for voting for her preserves all of that cultural baggage. tIn classes as big as men versus women, the differences among the members of the class are greater than the differences between classes.
By Anis Shivani, whose books in the last year include Karachi Raj: A Novel, Whatever Speaks on Behalf of Hashish: Poems, and Soraya: Sonnets (forthcoming June 2016). His new novel is A History of the Cat in Nine Chapters or Less. Originally published at Huffington Post
“I strongly argued that we had to change the [welfare] system…I didn’t think it was fair that one single mother improvised to find child care and got up early every day to get to work while another stayed home and relied on welfare…The third bill passed by Congress cut off most benefits to legal immigrants, imposed a five-year lifetime limit on federal welfare benefits, and maintained the status quo on monthly benefit limits, leaving the states free to set benefit limits…I agreed that he [Bill] should sign it and worked hard to round up votes for its passage…Weeks after Bill signed the law, Peter Edelman and Mary Jo Bane, another friend and Assistant Secretary at HHS who had worked on welfare reform, resigned in protest.” – Hillary Clinton in her 2003 memoir Hard Choices.
Not liking Hillary has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has everything to do with the hypermasculine values she espouses.
Hillary is that rare combination, even in our grotesque political landscape, of a smooth-talking neoliberal with the worst tendencies of a warrior-neoconservative. You couldn’t say that about Bill to the same extent, but there isn’t a regime change opportunity, a chemical or conventional arms deal, an escalated aerial (or lately drone) war, or an authoritarian friend in need, that Hillary hasn’t liked. If we get her, we will only be setting back feminism by decades, because her policies—like welfare “reform”—have always come packaged under the false rubric of caring for women and children. It’s like George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservatism,” the rhetorical cover she needs to enact policies, time after time, that erode women’s and children’s standing even as she claims to be their steadfast advocate.
Katherine, negotiating is like poker without the cards. You both start out with something that the other values. Through ‘tells’, body language, distracting talk, brown nosing, cajoling, the sky is falling sense of urgency, the person opposite you trades her assets to you for less than you would pay for them on the open market. Your opponent leaves relieved that she still has her shoes. Oh, best of all, you don’t have to pay her until it snows in Miami.
PIT,
So vote for Trump, that is your choice. Have at it.
Jack
Looking at some of Trump’s deals it looks like no one ended up with anything and a lot of bystanders got injured
Atlantic City is the biggest and best example and hs treatment of people in Scotland – deception and outright dishonesty were his keys to success.
I guess in Trump speak lying is the equivalent to negotiator
“I guess in Trump speak lying is the equivalent to negotiator”
It is certainly one of his tools,
Trump is a trader, as with all traders he looks for the next sucker.
He is good but he is not the smartest one out there by any stretch of the imagination.
The one thing you know about Trump the trader is that he is on only one side,( his) and he has no ethical core.
Whatever it takes to win the deal.
A hand shake won’t bind him, his word won’t bind him even his signature on a paper will be disregarded. It is his history
If you deal with him, It is no safer to be his partner than his mark.
If Trump stopped by for a visit I would talk to him on the front porch, never invite him into the house.
Jack
jack, a telling quote from son of a drumpf in the new Yorker piece
Donald Trump, Jr., the son of the Republican candidate, talks hunting and fishing.
Trump the candidate has flip-flopped on gun control and doesn’t share his son’s sportsmanship. “He’s shot before, but his only real thing is work, with some golf mixed in,” Trump, Jr., said.
“To try something new and to be an amateur again, that doesn’t appeal to his competitive side. He knows what he’s good at, and he likes to win.”
Jack,
Not the only choice if Hillary can use her brain. At least Joe Biden has some good old common sense. I would have switched to a Democrat to vote for Joe in Florida’s primary.
Biden wanted Warren as his VP
The Massachusetts senator was ‘noncommittal,’ but warned of a backlash against his pro-Wall Street votes in Senate.
By Glenn Thrush & Annie Karni, Politico, May 12, 2016 05:23 AM EDT
Joe Biden took months to decide he wouldn’t run for president — but he was sold on Elizabeth Warren as his running mate from the start, people familiar with the situation told POLITICO.
And he still thinks the Massachusetts firebrand would be Hillary Clinton’s best choice to replace him as the nation’s No. 2 in January 2017.
Biden, a stalwart Democrat who has veered leftward in recent years — but, as a centrist senator, voted to scuttle the Glass-Steagall prohibitions on banks engaging in speculative investments — favored Warren because he needed a partner to capture the wave of anti-bank, anti-establishment anger raging to his left.
Warren, a freshman senator from Massachusetts, who supports breaking up the big banks and re-imposing 1930s-era Wall Street regulations to prevent another global financial crisis, was Biden’s “only real choice,” according to an official he spoke to at the time.
patd – interesting and good report. There is one side that was not covered in the report. It may not be as much an issue today as it was back in the days before 2016. Many trans people volunteered for the most dangerous duty possible during the Vietnam war, and up until today. The reason was they did not want to commit suicide and leave their family and friends ashamed of them for committing suicide by their own hand. Go out fighting. Go out with a flag on the casket proving you were a “man” and a hero.
I know one woman, heavily decorated for her combat actions in Vietnam, who had a comment, “the bastards could shoot worth a F^0^”. And that is the clean version. She did not plan on living. And, becoming an example of a “hero”. She wanted to be killed.
I bring this up because suicide is a horrible problem for trans people. So is shame of not being “normal”. Although I have not been working with trans-youth for several years, I hope they are seeing the future which does not include severe pressure.
Guess what they were discussing at the TX GOP Convention (or at least what the media decided to cover): Where people can pee! Gubnur Abbott even hinted he wanted a NC-style law here. And, they are blaming the media coverage of the issue on Obama. Whaaaa???
crackers – Not sure your clothespin concession would do well at the National GOP Convention. They may not realize some of their own stuff stinks.
So the trump Ryan meeting was “encouraging “…which means??? (We’re acting like we are considering support for each other, but really, we are just putting up a front to make it look like we’ve changed positions and are coming to a governing agreement).
Ryan tweeting a pic of himself with some children, captioning it as his “most important meeting of the day,” almost made that cheesehead endearing. Almost.
It’s Dip Speak. It means they each petted the other to establish some sort of relationship. Next comes either ‘progress’ or ‘a frank exchange of opinions’.
PIT
There is no difference between Joe and Hillary except of course he has a dick between his legs.
As to a corporate shill, which you accuse HRC of being, lol He a politician from Delaware the most corporate friendly state in the nation.
Jack
“There is no difference between Joe and Hillary except of course he has a dick between his legs.”
Yep, Jack, exactly correct, that’s the difference, a dick.. Lol, thanks for boiling it down to the real deal.. HRC just can’t overcome the female gender she was born with , isn’t good enough for some people.. Thankfully with the masses i think she will.. ?
PIT – I hear ya & so do millions more. If folks like war & Wall Street, Hill’s their candidate.
Hillary Clinton Embraces Progressive Federal Reserve Reforms
“Holy shit — that’s great news,” was one liberal economist’s reaction
Daniel Marans
Sanders campaign: Dems ‘court disaster’ in Clinton
David Wright
Blue, isn’t it time you gave it a f@ckin’ rest? Your candidate is the walking dead and you’re not voting for the dem nominee. You don’t seem to care for trump, so what’s the point of your bullshit? Just to pi$$ the hillary supporters off?
Clinton is beating Sanders. Don’t blame the party, blame the people
John Stoehr
Progressives are keen to portray Bernie Sanders as a victim of machinations by party elites. But his real problem is that he isn’t getting enough votes
War and Wall Street are Clinton’s weakest points, and also the points of greatest concern to Sanders supporters. Clinton’s announcement today of Fed reform is a small step in the right direction. Glass-Steagall would be better.
As to the war, what exactly are the national interests that the Admin asserts are in jeopardy ? If Clinton could enumerate and elucidate the casus beli for the American people, she might win Sanders supporters to her. If she can’t make a case, then wtf are we doing in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Qatar, and Bahrein ?
Oh yeah, and Afghanistan.
Bernie Sanders, the Zombie Candidate
It’s already over, and now he’s just causing havoc. I’ve seen firsthand how much damage this kind of candidacy can do.
by David Wade
Hi X
Sure Bernie supporters have their concerns and that’s fine. I had concerns in 2008 too and i had to suck it up and choose Obama over McCranky and booby headed Palin. In 2012 it was easy to chose Obama.. The Supreme Court makes it an easy choice.. Now for some they can continue to snipe and attack the character of the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, cool but i have no time for them. I’m a Democrat if you’re not with me you’re against me.. Hopefully as in 2008 these smart fine people will unify with their party if they choose another path its on them, umm and maybe all of us..
Military Times survey: Troops prefer Trump to Clinton by a huge margin
Leo Shane III and George R. Altman, Military Times
Tony, to refer to a comment you have to copy the comment time/date line, type the commenter’s name, highlight it and the hit the link icon and paste the time/date line into the link box. The way you are doing it puts a block with the thread info in it but doesn’t identify the comment you’re referring to.
Thanks for the zombie link.
The Clinton scandal machine is making clanking noises and leaking oil
An FBI investigation and countless Benghazi hearings have uncovered next to nada. What will they throw at her next?
ERIC BOEHLERT
NBC News got caught on the wrong side of the faux scandal news cycle when it recently sent Cynthia McFadden all the way to Romania for a jailhouse interview with convicted hacker Marcel Lehel Lazar, also known as “Guccifer.”
Claiming to have hacked his way into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, Lazar told NBC that Clinton’s account was “completely unsecured.” “It was like an open orchid on the Internet.” McFadden stressed that Lazar was “at the center of the Hillary Clinton email controversy, which has dogged her campaign from day one.”
NBC hyped the interview for days in advance of the broadcast even though McFadden conceded on-air that, “there are plenty of reasons to doubt” the hacker’s claim. Namely, he offered up no proof that he had hacked Clinton’s email server and had free access to its contents.
That’s a pretty mushy story to travel 4700 miles for. But why was the timing especially bad for NBC News? Last week, CNN and The Washington Post reported that according to officials close to the ongoing email investigation — the one that’s “dogged” Clinton — FBI investigators have so far found no evidence of wrongdoing.
CNN: “So far investigators haven’t found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.”
Washington Post: “Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules.”
Even worse for NBC, the Post reported law enforcement officials specifically gave zero credence to the Romanian hacker’s claims about breaching Clinton’s server. His hacking claim was “dismissed” as being irrelevant because “investigators have found no evidence to support the assertion.”
So yes, if you’re NBC and officials were confirming that they still had found no wrongdoing regarding Clinton’s emails, and that the hacker Guccifers claims weren’t being taken seriously, your scoop had been badly deflated.
Guccifer is exactly the kind of source the pugn slime machine relies upon.
POGO, i think i got it.. I was doing it the old fashioned copy link address, lol, too much.. The zombie link, yes, ?
Yep, POGO.. Exactly.. Over and over the right wing uses the same type slime balls to do their dirty work.. All proven false but on to the next one..
Tony, You got it.
Gene Robinson says what I said about the trump/Ryan smooch fest.
I’ve always liked Gene.
Tony, I mostly agree with you. I only differ on the phrase, “…if you’re not with me you’re against me.” That alienates potential future allies.
BROOKLYN: Hillary Clinton Vows To Expand PrEP Availability In Meeting With HIV/AIDS Activists
LGBT news http://www.joemygod.com/2016/05/12/brooklyn-hillary-clinton-vows-to-expand-prep-availability-in-meeting-with-hivaids-activists/
As one of the commenters said so well, “someone please tell me again how both parties are the same” Republican’s , it’s not even on their radar.. Deciding what restroom a transgender person can use is though..
Solar, you, SUCH A STARK DIFFERENCE!
tony,
Ha, “booby headed Palin.” You have no idea how much I needed that laugh 😉
X
I agree it probably does alienate them in the future but i think giving their opinions (snark against the nominee) credence during an election cycle takes our eye off the end game, weakens our resolve. Electing a Democrat for President is all important.. Love your writing always.. You are super!
SJWNY
LOL, i meant to say “bubble headed booby”! He he, i laugh too.. Reminds me of the old rerun show as a kid, “Lost In Space”.. Oh Doctor Smith, that was his term for the robot.. ?
tony,
“booby headed” was perfect.
Tony, the feeling is mutual !
BOOBIES !
https://www.nwf.org/~/media/PDFs/Kids/Ranger%20Rick/Spreads/RRMar10_16-23Boobies.ashx
I favor the Blue Footed Booby. It’s a partisan thing.
tony, thanks for the wade link that said: So right now, Sanders’ campaign is the walking dead: a zombie. And having worked for John Kerry during the slugfest of the 2004 primaries, I’ve seen up close how much damage this sort of prolonged “zombie” candidacy can inflict on the eventual nominee—and what’s ultimately at stake for the country.
and like zombies they seem to feed on the brains of the otherwise healthy. but there is hope. read buzzfeed story “When Zombies Become Human Again” which tells us that de-zombification is possible. 🙂
new thread
Bernie will be in Kentucky this weekend, too.
A “f-ing rest” I will not give it. Lots of anti -Bernie sentiment here. I disagree, but that’s your right to speak your piece. If Hillary supporters are “pi$$ed off” because others see a very different candidate than do they, it may be because they subconsciously agree.
Bernie is the one who can beat Trump.
P’sssst——(small crap warning).