Why Not Hillary

40 thoughts on “Why Not Hillary”

1. HRC, Harris, and Gillibrand will split the same mainly upper middle class female vote. 
   Joe, Grandpa Sanders, and Sherrod will split the working class male vote. 
   Beto & Buttigieg aren’t going anywhere.
   Harris, Booker, Castro, and Tulsi will split the ethnic minority vote.
   So, either Manchin will get the nomination on a tide of bots & rubles, or rmoney will switch parties and get the nomination through Mormon Power. 
   So, that’s our choice for 2020, either a high binder or a female binder.
    
    

2. Good analysis Xrepub. Filter that gang for money raising and few left. The cover charge for this race will be 20 million dollars cash on hand by November.

3. and will starbuck’s Schultz become our next ralph nader/ross perot and cause the return of trumputin?

4. the guardian feel good story (even if not true) for today’s distraction:
   A three-year-old boy who survived two nights alone in the woods in freezing conditions has told police and family he was helped out by a friendly bear that was with him the whole time.
    
   Rescuers responding to reports of a baby crying found Casey Hathaway tangled up in thorny bushes, cold and soaked but safe on Thursday night. He had gone missing on Tuesday in conditions so bad the subsequent search had to be called off.
    
   As it turned out, help – perhaps real, perhaps imaginary but certainly useful – was at hand in those woods in North Carolina, a state that is home to plenty of black bears. Craven county sheriff Chip Hughes said Casey “did say that he had a friend in the woods that was a bear that was with him”.
    
   The claim was reportedly repeated by the boy’s aunt Breanna Hathaway. “He said he hung out with a bear for two days,” Hathaway wrote in a Facebook post. “God sent him a friend to keep him safe. God is a good God. Miracles do happen.”
    
   Hughes said the boy had been playing with two other children in his grandmother’s backyard in Ernul on Tuesday, but did not come inside with them.
   Brutal weather conditions in the low 20s (Fahrenheit) and concerns Casey wasn’t dressed for the cold sparked a search that involved helicopters, drones, K-9 units and divers, as well as hundreds of volunteers. By Thursday the wind and rain had become so bad authorities urged volunteers to stay away.
    
   “He’s a survivor,” said Hughes on Friday, pointing out that rescuers had to wade through waist-high water to reach the boy, who stands at 2ft 2in (66cm). Casey escaped with just a few scrapes and simply wanted some water and his mother, he said.
    

5. and a USA screw loose or screwed story in ny times for further distraction this morning:

   SAN FRANCISCO — Despite a trade war between the United States and China and past admonishments from President Trump “to start building their damn computers and things in this country,” Apple is unlikely to bring its manufacturing closer to home.
   A tiny screw illustrates why.
   In 2012, Apple’s chief executive, Timothy D. Cook, went on prime-time television to announce that Apple would make a Mac computer in the United States. It would be the first Apple product in years to be manufactured by American workers, and the top-of-the-line Mac Pro would come with an unusual inscription: “Assembled in USA.”
   But when Apple began making the $3,000 computer in Austin, Tex., it struggled to find enough screws, according to three people who worked on the project and spoke on the condition of anonymity because of confidentiality agreements.
   In China, Apple relied on factories that can produce vast quantities of custom screws on short notice. In Texas, where they say everything is bigger, it turned out the screw suppliers were not.
   Tests of new versions of the computer were hamstrung because a 20-employee machine shop that Apple’s manufacturing contractor was relying on could produce at most 1,000 screws a day.
   The screw shortage was one of several problems that postponed sales of the computer for months, the people who worked on the project said. By the time the computer was ready for mass production, Apple had ordered screws from China.
   The challenges in Texas illustrate problems that Apple would face if it tried to move a significant amount of manufacturing out of China. Apple has found that no country — and certainly not the United States — can match China’s combination of scale, skills, infrastructure and cost.
   In China, you will also find one of Apple’s most important markets, and over the last month the risks that come with that dependence have become apparent. On Jan. 2, Apple said it would miss earnings expectations for the first time in 16 years, mostly because of slowing iPhone sales in China. On Tuesday, the company is expected to reveal more details about its financial results for the most recent quarter and its forecast for the coming year.
   The company could face more financial pressure if the Trump administration places tariffs on phones made in China — something the president has threatened to do.
   [continues]

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7. I hear ya poobah. My question is whether, after a primary fight with Joe, Bernie!, Kamala & Elizabeth, and a general election Donnybrook with SFB and Mr. Starbucks, I wonder whether she could pull a majority (or a plurality won) in those handful of states that will determine the outcome in 2020. I really don’t have much of a sense for what kind of buzz Schultz might generate – all I know is that Starbucks is on every third services sign on the interstates between East Bumfuck and New York City. 

8. Starbuck Shultz, as the pundits recently claimed on another candidate, could never defeat a politician and become president.

9. a cartoon for Jamie

10. XR
    You didn’t include my perfect ticket of geography, gender and ethnicity:
    Klobuchar/Castro with Harris & Booker as alternates for VP & definite cabinet appointments promoted up front as our “deep bench of expertise” unlike Donald’s).  

11. and a song for craig
    
    Home for sale
    That’s much too large
    Too many rooms
    Big ole empty yard
    Far more space
    Than the owner needs
    Price includes
    All memories
     
    Home for sale
    Restored like new
    Just a place
    Two lives outgrew
    A change in heart
    Forces move away
    Would like to keep, oh Lord
    But just can’t stay

12. Hickenlooper said odds are he will run too.  He does not have the national name, but could since he and that Ohio guy talked about a D-R ticket.

13. For some explicable reason I found this Editorial Staff opinion piece in today’s Post to be a stark reminder of what kind of questions should be posed to SFB’s next would-be AG.  All those stupid, rote, questions about law of the land, enforce, not try to change existing law (read Rowe here) are well and good and don’t get to the FUCKING ISSUES that need to be explored when questioning and approving the guy who sets enforcement and prosecutorial priorities in these here United States of America.

    Convicted for leaving water for migrants in the desert: This is Trump’s justice
     
    A FEW weeks ago, federal prosecutors in Arizona secured a conviction against four humanitarian aid workers who left water in the desert for migrants who might otherwise die of heat exposure and thirst. Separately, they dropped manslaughter charges against a U.S. Border Patrol agent who fired 16 times across the border, killing a teenage Mexican boy. The aid workers face a fine and up to six months in jail. The Border Patrol officer faces no further legal consequences.
     
    That is a snapshot of twisted frontier justice in the age of Trump. Save a migrant’s life, and you risk becoming a political prisoner. Kill a Mexican teenager, and you walk free.
     
    The four aid workers, all women, were volunteers in service to an organization, No More Deaths, whose religious views inform its mission to prevent undocumented migrants from dying during their perilous northward trek. They drove into the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, about 100 miles southwest of Phoenix, to leave water jugs along with some canned beans.
     
    The women — Natalie Hoffman, Oona Holcomb, Madeline Huse and Zaachila Orozco-McCormick — made no effort to conceal their work. Confronted by a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officer, they said they believed everyone deserved access to basic survival needs. One of them, Ms. Orozco-McCormick, compared the wildlife refuge to a graveyard, such is the ubiquity of human remains there.
     
    Since the turn of the century, more than 2,100 undocumented migrants have died in that sun-scorched region of southern Arizona, according to Humane Borders, a nonprofit group that keeps track of the numbers. Last year, according to the Pima County Medical Examiner’s Office, the remains of 127 dead migrants were recovered there.
     
    In the past, prosecutors declined to press charges against the volunteers who try to help by leaving water and canned food in the desert. But the four women, arrested in August 2017, were tried for the misdemeanor offenses of entering a refuge without a permit, abandoning personal property and, in the case of Ms. Hoffman, driving in a restricted area. U.S. Magistrate Judge Bernardo Velasco, who presided over the bench trial, said their actions ran afoul of the “national decision to maintain the Reserve in its pristine nature.”
     
    In fact, prosecutors have broad discretion in deciding whether to press such minor charges — just as they do in more consequential cases such as the manslaughter charge against Lonnie Swartz, the Border Patrol agent who killed 16-year-old José Antonio Elena Rodríguez in October 2012. According to Mr. Swartz, he opened fire on the boy, shooting 16 times in what the agent said was self-defense, through the fence that divides the city of Nogales along the Arizona-Mexico border. He said the boy had been throwing stones at him across the frontier.
     
    Mr. Swartz was acquitted on second-degree murder charges last spring, but the jury deadlocked on manslaughter charges. In a second trial, last fall, the jury also failed to reach a verdict on manslaughter. Last month, prosecutors declined to seek a third trial.
     
    While the aid workers seek to avoid prison time, Americans may well wonder about a system in which justice is rendered so perversely.

    If there is a god who judges the acts we do here in our corporeal existence, Trumpco is screwed.

14. No to Hillary   bad bad bad idea   

15. We need neither octogenarians nor dynasties. Blended bipartisan tickets merely dilute historically positive partisan messages that need resurrection. Independent branding is not helpful to the political process and will skew otherwise positive messages/values while producing only failure at the polls.
    At this stage of the process we should demand to know who is funding whom. Is it a positive step having an extremely wealthy individual buying a place on the ballot by spending a trivial amount of the individual’s personal fortune? Or should we embrace grassroots funding?

16. Speaking of Howard Shultz…

    Would a Howard Schultz presidential bid help reelect Trump? Experts disagree.
    …
     
    But following Schultz’s announcement, FiveThirtyEight’s Silver pointed out the essential difference between a candidate like Nader and third-party centrists, the same mold the Starbucks executive appears to be considering.
     
    “Nader hurt Gore because he was a leftist 3rd party candidate,” Silver wrote. “The centrists didn’t affect things much. Johnson (2016), Perot (1996, 1992), Anderson (1980) all drew about equally from both major-party candidates.”

    As an avid political observer who painfully remembers the effect Nader and Stein had on their respective presidential cycles (a pox on both of their houses and the Dems who voted for them), and barely remembering Anderson and Perot, I think I will take a wait and see appraoch (because really, deep down, I don’t know shit).

17. I’m with KGC….   bad, bad idea for Hillary to run again.  When it comes to elections, I do not think that the third time is a charm.  I will not be voting for her in the primary should she choose to run.  At this point, I’m excited enough looking at the new faces.
     
     

18. Everyone here knows how I love Hillary, wish she had won and how much I absolutely hate the Bernie cult, but another try – absolutely not.  There is still all the garbage lurking out there.  Totally undeserved, but it’s there.  Time for her to switch gears into elder stateswoman and advisor.  There’s always another go at the Senate or the cabinet or a Nobel Prize for the most recent Puerto Rico actions through the foundation etc.  or even the Supremes.  More than enough valuable contributions to make.  

19. Hillary is not that good a candidate and she associates with people like Mark Penn who is a giant idiot.
    She had her turn  twice — she can find things to do with her time

20. Jamie,  I tend to be in your camp on Hillary – loved her, wished really hard for her to win, was crestfallen when she didn’t.  But another run?  I don’t really see it.
    KC, roger that re: Penn.  Plus, he’s turned  on Hillary and has shown that he’s only in it for the money.

21. Hillary Stassen

22. Amy Amy Amy
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/want-know-which-democrats-can-actually-beat-trump-we-dont-have-guess/?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.aa4de63e020d

23. CNN’s Jeff Zeleny

    “Clinton is telling people that she’s not closing the doors to the idea of running in 2020. I’m told by three people that as recently as this week, she was telling people that look, given all this news from the indictments, particularly the Roger Stone indictment, she talked to several people, saying ‘look, I’m not closing the doors to this.'”

     

    Interesting timing leaking this yesterday on top of Kamala’s kick off speech.

24. “‘look, I’m not closing the doors to this’”  might not mean 2020 run.  in the context of indictments and the possible (unlikely but possible) finding both trump and pence guilty, she is leaving herself available to rightfully assume the post.  no waiting for another election.
     
    this old comment at daily kos in march 2017 explains my point… if trump & pence got there illegally, then she who got the most legitimate votes but NOT she who is speaker normally next in line  should take the reins :

    It strikes me that we are getting closer to removing Trump as President on the grounds that he and his team colluded with a foreign power to throw the election in his favor. There is a lot of speculation as to who would then become President, mostly focusing on the line of succession — Pence, Ryan, Hatch, Tillerson, Mattis …
    That is one possible outcome, perhaps the most probable, and the easiest to implement. But it begs the question, if the election was illegitimate, how can anything that followed stay in place? There is no blueprint for this situation. Some are calling for a new election. But there is an entire mechanism in place for quadrennial elections that is cumbersome and time consuming. Who decides what the rules are, when do we hold the election, what guidance do we give the parties, and who rules in the meantime?
    One solution, one that I have not seen a lot of talk about, is that if the “winning” candidate is disqualified for cheating, then the candidate with the next highest number of votes in each state should be awarded its electoral votes and declared the winner. Would not the easiest and fairest solution be to disqualify Trump (upon arrest or impeachment) and declare Hillary the winner?
    If Trump manages to hang on until 2020, or if Pence, Ryan, or Hatch take over, I am all for fresh leadership to take the reigns of the Democratic Party. But if the election itself is tainted, should not Hillary Clinton be our legitimately elected President?

     
    Void ab initio

25. https://youtu.be/UtGjJVcrKQU
     
    You see, it’s all clear
    You were meant to be here
    From the beginning

26. that doesn’t mean she should run again in 2020,  just that she should assume the presidency now —  just like trump & Pompeo are promoting Guaido in Venezuela due to Madura’s fraudulent election. 

    bet the same countries backing the Guaido assumption would also back Hillary and the same who are opposed will oppose it.

27. Well,now, we are a constitutional democracy, and the void ab intio legal principle, which is founded in contracts law and applies to documents such as written contracts and deeds most often, is not applicable to override the succession provisions of the Constitution – at least I do not believe that doctrine would apply. However, I suspect that there is somewhere out there a high powered lawyer who regularly practices before the Supreme Court who would love to test the application of the doctrine to an invalid presidential election.  One question would be whether trump’s election was void or voidable.  

28. Tom Brokaw spouting Iowa corn boy misconceptions about assimilation of brown immigrants into American society.  I have clients that demonstrate this exactly – Father understands OK but doesn’t really speak English with any facility, uses his two kids and niece and nephew – fluently bilingual with minimal accent in either language – to translate.  Niece and nephew’s kids are SSL kids – (Spanish as Second Language).  (Ironically – they are all owners/employees in 2 Mexican Restaurants here).

29. I like the idea of HRC “leaving the door open” just in case another old person, one who has a bit of a problem remembering his non-commital speach and tends to drift a bit, decides to run.  She should scare him off and let the younger generation run.  She can be the grande dame of Democratic politics.
     
    I like to think I feel as “good” as I do because I got a flu shot.  Fun thing, we are required to be in the office tomorrow for briefings.  My guess is to tell us to not bad mouth SFB.  I am trying to decide on mask, or, no mask.  I could get some green, purple and red markers and decorate my mask.  It is always an attention getter.
     
    Joy of life is watching a computer update after a month without any.  It is sitting there making strange sounds.  Maybe it has a “cold” too?
     
     

30. I’m going to stop thinking about which can beat trump for awhile. I suspect that trump is so badly injured among Indies and ‘trump Democrats’ that he will only be a factor in defeating repubs. By my estimate, trump’s core core is 27%, about what nixon had when he left DC. Around that core core is somewhat sticky husk of support from more traditional republicans, that probably runs about 10-18%. 
    The big Q for me is, how large would the defection be if willard, pompey, pence, lindsey graham, or any other ripper(s) who lust after the presidency were to run in Iowa, NH, and SC ? Would the 12-18% fall off immediately, and run to support the rebellion ? Would even the hardcore trump 27% evaporate like morning mist that’s gone by 9 am ? And even if his numbers were abysmally low, are we completely positive that trump would bother to run again ? 

31. Void ab initio ? OMG !!! If ’16 were voidable, we could either rerun that election, or just give White House to HRC for the next 2 – 6 years.   
    OMG, would that be a hoot ! An entire new chapter in the high school history books, starring a woman !
     

32. I would immediately delete Pence.  He was on his way to lose Indiana before being asked by the russians to be on SFB ticket.

33. So….  Nancy invited SFB to give his SOTU lies on 2/5.  Now what can I do instead?  Watch basketball, NHL, ESPN post mortem on the Super Bowl, or maybe try my hand at home dentistry?  Clean up the basement?  Something, anything.

34. The next president could very possibly be a woman. We have HRC to thank for that. I supported her in 08 and again in 16. I still believe that she would have been a very capable president.
    That said, it is time to turn the page on the Clintons. Who ever floated this idea had entirely too much time on their hands. It is a non starter.

35. Trump to be in the Chamber on 5 Feb; how gross!
     
    
     

36. Just a thought as I read the  Brokaw piece, I believe the modern day immigrant is assimilating to this new world we live in better than the rural Trump supporter. It is often their biggest problem they can’t adjust to the way the world is now. 
    Jack

37. Time for HRC to slide into the easy chair with Joe, Bernie,the big Dawg and Barry sit around  wise cracking on all those youngster wannabe.
    But if you’ve just got to have your Hillary the Democrats have several options
    The boring competent get it done Hillary? Hey vote for Amy Klobuchar , The street fighter Hillary that will rip your privates out, vote Kamala Harris or the  “say anything to win, obvious ladder climbing Hillary” Kirstan Gillibrand
    Jack

38. jace – yes the next president could be a woman.  R’s running Haley, D’s with a whole field.  I am more concerned about Haley than I am about coffee boy running as an Indie.
     
    patd – ELP was great.  The Trilogy was years ahead of its time.
     
    Not looking forward to winter hitting the DC region.  I would rather be somewhere South.

39. Juicy stuff.  SFB is going to emoluments tower and for some reason Roger the rat is going there too.  Maybe they will order Big Macs and KFC for that late night soiree?

40. YouTube algo had this one next in line after the ELP clip, Hadn’t listened to it in a while and forgot how  very relevant it is to our current problems.
    Buffalo Springfield
     
    

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