I spoke with an elderly friend in Sun City Center (near Tampa) last night.
She refused to fly up to her son’s place in Georgia.
She is staying put with her little dog.
She is scared & wishes she had hurricane shutters like her neighbors, but the neighbors have headed north.
ny times:Napolitano Sues Trump to Save DACA Program She Helped Create WASHINGTON — As secretary of homeland security in 2012, Janet Napolitano created DACA, the federal program that protected more than 800,000 young, undocumented immigrants from deportation and allowed them to work legally in the United States. Now, as the president of the sprawling University of California system, she is suing President Trump to save it. Lawyers for Ms. Napolitano and the school system she leads, which serves 238,000 students across 10 campuses, filed a lawsuit on Friday in federal court accusing Trump officials of violating administrative procedures and constitutional due process requirements by abruptly ending the program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. Having done so, she says in the lawsuit, Mr. Trump harmed the thousands of undocumented students whose attendance at her universities is made possible by the work permits that they receive through DACA. And she says that ending the program will negatively affect the university system, which stands to lose the academic and cultural benefits those students bring. “I’m really outraged on behalf of our students, who have done everything that has been asked of them,” Ms. Napolitano said in an interview Thursday night. “Most of them know only the United States as home. To say that they have to be thinking about possible deportation is wrong on the law, inconsistent with our value and bad immigration policy.” [….] In the lawsuit, Ms. Napolitano argues that by rescinding her 2012 memorandum – even with a six-month delay in implementation — Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions violated rules under the Administrative Procedure Act, which requires the government to provide public notice and seek comment from affected parties before revoking a significant policy. “The government just can’t turn 180 degrees on something like DACA without taking the proper steps,” Ms. Napolitano said. “They didn’t take the proper steps.” Critics of Mr. Obama’s used the very same argument to attack a similar executive action that sought to protect undocumented parents of Americans and lawful residents. That program was never put in effect after Republicans sued, claiming in part that the president had violated the Administrative Procedures Act. Ms. Napolitano’s lawsuit, which was filed in Federal District Court in Northern California, also claims that the decision to rescind her DACA memo was “arbitrary and capricious” because the Trump administration officials did not offer an expansive legal argument justifying their decision. “If the agency wants to change the rules, they need to explain why,” said Alexander A. Berengaut, a lawyer for Covington & Burling, a law firm that is representing Ms. Napolitano and the university system. The lawsuit contends that the Trump administration needed to provide a more substantial justification for ending the program because those who enrolled in it made long-term decisions like enrolling in college or getting a loan based on the assumption that it would continue.
And finally, the suit alleges a violation of the constitutional due process rights of DACA enrollees. Stephen H. Legomsky, a professor at the Washington University School of Law and a former general counsel at the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, said the university’s legal case is making plausible arguments for the court to consider. “I definitely think this lawsuit stands a good chance of succeeding,” Mr. Legomsky said. “So much is going to turn on which judge they land.” Lawyers for Ms. Napolitano are urging the court to issue an injunction preventing the federal government from ending the program.
Game Time?
Tigers???
My friend also said folks stayed with her, over Labor Day, on their way back to Marco Island. Not good.
Didn’t PoP (Priscilla) live around Tampa?
Jamie, glad to see you here. due to fearless leader facing perils of possible power losses, was wondering if as in the past we are to look to you step into the breech and be our default/deputy sheriff. our heroine. you’ve saved the trail before when the boss faced hardships. so may we who might have threads to post in case craig can’t depend on you to push the magic publish button to make it so???? please? pretty please?
Some zoo relocations but mainly batten down the hatches for most of the animals.
Floods in Asia, Earthquakes in Mexico, Fires in the West. Somebody really pissed off Mother Nature.
Looks like Florida will have a few hours left before a bad very bad day.
Craig – Disney closings was off top of my head. Should have checked the internets.
I cannot imagine leaving a house on Key West and going inland for a week, not knowing if it will be there on return, or even if the road will be there either. My heart goes out for one of the contractors of my program.
boss, might wanna keep toby inside for a few days after the storm leaves some unwanted visitors your way
nytimes:Conservationists See a Hurricane Risk: Florida’s Exotic Pets Could Escape When Hurricane Andrew battered South Florida in 1992, conservationists say, a slithering, voracious species escaped a breeding facility and made its way toward Everglades National Park. There, the Burmese python, originally from Southeast Asia, would feast on raccoons, eggs and deer, multiplying into the tens of thousands, until it had ravaged the ecosystem. Now, with Hurricane Irma fast approaching Florida, wildlife organizations are concerned that other nonnative species could be unleashed in the state. There are more than 1,200 species of reptiles and amphibians kept in captivity in Florida, according to the United States Association of Reptile Keepers. Many of them, like the veiled chameleon, Mexican spinytail iguana and Javan file snake, are nonnative. “You’ve got a lot of exotic pet breeders down in South Florida,” said Bruce Stein, associate vice president for conservation science at the National Wildlife Federation. “The question is: What’s next?” There is no definitive proof that Hurricane Andrew was responsible for the invasion of the Burmese python, which was first spotted in the Everglades in the 1980s. Exotic pets are frequently released in the wild by their owners. But after a reptile breeding warehouse was destroyed in the 1992 hurricane, the python population boomed. Dr. Stein said he feared that amid the chaos of a powerful hurricane, amphibians and reptiles like the “extremely aggressive” Nile crocodile could break loose from breeding centers and private collections. “It’s not inconceivable that we have a repeat of what truly is an ecological disaster in the Everglades,” he said. “It’s a ‘black swan’ event: low probability, high risk.”
No worries about Toby, Pat. She runs to her “panic room” — a corner behind a chair — at the first sound of thunder and Disney/Universal fireworks. We might not see her for a couple of days.
Yes, Jamie would you be willing to step in as thread traffic cop? I’ve changed your user status for this awesome responsibility.
🙂
Trail version of the 25th. Smoothly done.
We join you in the wait and watch, all mixers in Florida.
limbaugh evacuated after calling the hurricane a hoax to jack-up fuel prices. As if Harvey didn’t start the trend. In watching the mass evacuation northward in Florida? It would have been a great thing to have an elevated train on the turnpike, interstates to move humans a lot faster than their own personal car. What a waste of right-of-way. From memory, the Florida turnpike is the highest point in southern Florida. When you have an elevation of 3 feet above sea level on the coasts? Get out of the way. With huge storms from man’s interference (ladies, you are not culpable) becoming a frequent occurrence? We need a better plan and more restrictions from insurance companies who cowardly leave the big money and heavy lifting to the government of the people while collecting all of the premiums. Volunteers saving the day while the paid sit on their hands. We in the west have been paying for the bad repug planning and climate change denial for years. scott has created a logistical nightmare for his citizens with whiplash and conflicting instructions.
Ha, Flatus, this could turn into a coup, you must be somewhere in the line of succession.
Meanwhile, Kelly continues to bring WH back to normal. john destefano still survives, the last of the rnc remnants in the WH.
A longtime House aide, Johnny DeStefano, will head the Office of Public Liaison while a search is conducted for a permanent director.
Why is NOAA in the Dept. of Commerce? richard nixon created NOAA and Obama attempted to move the agency. The agency still remains in the Dept. of Commerce. repugs slicing and dicing science when it should be a standalone department in and of itself. Freedom of science as in freedom of religions and superstitions in this country. When I lived in Boulder, Colorado, the building that housed NOAA was featured in Woody Allen’s movie, Sleeper.
Craig, coup–moi??
Loved going up to Boulder, Golden and Central City when we lived at Madison and Colfax……..along with trips up into them there hills…..Kremmling, FairPlay, lot of the ski resorts etc…..love that place
flatus, to be clear, the trail version of the 25th amdmt in no way should be read as casting aspersions on fearless leader’s mental capacity. all blame will be upon florida power and light.
craig, before next storm, you might wanna invest in a crank-up or solar powered (assuming sun will shine again) charger specifically made for your cell phone. also those hand crank-up camp lamps and radio/weather thingies are really handy (no pun intended) when the grid is down for days on end. ahh, back to the days of yore.
But if I were to go back I think I’d be a bit more inclined to mountains in New Mex……
Hook up a charger to a stationary bike
Work off some of that Hurric-Cranial stress…..
The sun is shining and the Monarch Way Station is booked to capacity…….the clam beholds the storm.
The Crawfords have a generator which according to General Honore’ we should all have
We have a yamaha suitcase generator and I would recommend it–I understand the Honda’s are also very good.
How do you know it’s a Denver Omelette?
By the Brown Cloud above it.
Heard about Denver’s new zoo?
They put a fence around Boulder.
2 lame jokes making the rounds in 81-82
trumprusski-ville is turning into lawyer gold rush days. another one gets a hired gun
newsweek: Donald Trump’s Communications Director hires lawyer amid Russia probe report
KGC… sorry to read of you losing one of your pups. One would think that after a lifetime of many pets it would get easier to accept their passing. Not so… I find the older I get, the harder it is.
sj… what’s the name of your cats?
BlueinD… PoP stood for “Pissed off Patricia”…. yeah… she lived somewhere in Florida.
Sitting here and thinking of my favorite place in Florida… Sanibel Island… and The Bubble Room on Captiva…. crap.
sturge…I lived in Boulder from 75 -80. Great movie from 1975 about RVs and attempted skiing trip in Aspen, Colorado — Race with the Devil. No one gets out of texas alive!
“Hook up a charger to a stationary bike”
sturge, best idea yet. generators need gas and when fuel is scarce and rationed, good ole hand and foot (or doggie on a treadmill) power backup can’t be beat for little devices like phones, flashlights and radios. also smells less and a heckuva lot quieter
Pat, we rely mostly on old-school lighting — candles, no battery replacement stress. Also we re-create the old-fashioned ice box. Loaded up bottom of freezer with water-filled gallon milk jugs, that has kept frozen food frozen enough for up to 3 days, enough to keep it safe for grilling. And when the bottles melt you’ve got more drinking water.
We deploy the generator for the air conditioner.
As for new school, the solar powered charger sounds nifty. We’ve got two cell phones charged up and a portable charger with 6 hours in it. With care, that should be enough for 2-3 days. Assuming the cell service stays up, of course.
We have learned over the years that, just like a military campaign, something unexpected will go wrong.
We hit Madison Colfax in Sept 79…… If I’d known you were there I’d have brought a cake…….
The suitcase generators run for a long time over 16 hours on a gallon of gas — they won’t power a whole house but what you need
craig, yeah, forgot about the frozen water-filled gallon milk jugs. they sure do work doing double duty. also had to fill up all tubs, pails, whatever holds water for when the plumbing failed… so many utilities now depend on the grid.
going gridless reminds me again of the worries right now in all those paperless/computer dependent legal and medical offices…. a lot of folks aren’t prepared to a return to pre-computer days, even if it’s just a matter of days not months.
Patd
Haven’t used it much lately, but the doors to Jamie’s Place are always open. Feel free to send traffic there until Fearless Leader is once more available and in charge.
I think you are in charge here if something happens at the Southern Command
Craig changed your status to commander in chief II
Beware of Flatus
Jamie……maybe you can hire Les Nessman as your assistant in the field?
Sturgeone
Re the mountains of NM, it has been umfpity decades since I’ve been there, but Cloudcroft was always one of my favorites. If you had some coin, staying at The Lodge was a real treat but the natural wonders are free.
KGC
Okay. I’ll try to keep any mice playing while cat’s away under control.
Craig
Let me know before you go and I’ll put up a thread (or you can) for folks to comment on while you are tending to Dad & Toby.
Thanks Jamie, with you on deck we won’t skip a beat here.
Jamie, you’ve got your hands full.
Craig,
I’ve got a short blurb in draft ready to go as soon as you say change.
Patd
I think that is my all time favorite commercial … lol
Go ahead and post it, Jamie. I’d like to see if I set you up correctly.
I spoke with an elderly friend in Sun City Center (near Tampa) last night.
She refused to fly up to her son’s place in Georgia.
She is staying put with her little dog.
She is scared & wishes she had hurricane shutters like her neighbors, but the neighbors have headed north.
ny times: Napolitano Sues Trump to Save DACA Program She Helped Create
WASHINGTON — As secretary of homeland security in 2012, Janet Napolitano created DACA, the federal program that protected more than 800,000 young, undocumented immigrants from deportation and allowed them to work legally in the United States.
Now, as the president of the sprawling University of California system, she is suing President Trump to save it.
Lawyers for Ms. Napolitano and the school system she leads, which serves 238,000 students across 10 campuses, filed a lawsuit on Friday in federal court accusing Trump officials of violating administrative procedures and constitutional due process requirements by abruptly ending the program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.
Having done so, she says in the lawsuit, Mr. Trump harmed the thousands of undocumented students whose attendance at her universities is made possible by the work permits that they receive through DACA. And she says that ending the program will negatively affect the university system, which stands to lose the academic and cultural benefits those students bring.
“I’m really outraged on behalf of our students, who have done everything that has been asked of them,” Ms. Napolitano said in an interview Thursday night. “Most of them know only the United States as home. To say that they have to be thinking about possible deportation is wrong on the law, inconsistent with our value and bad immigration policy.”
[….]
In the lawsuit, Ms. Napolitano argues that by rescinding her 2012 memorandum – even with a six-month delay in implementation — Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions violated rules under the Administrative Procedure Act, which requires the government to provide public notice and seek comment from affected parties before revoking a significant policy.
“The government just can’t turn 180 degrees on something like DACA without taking the proper steps,” Ms. Napolitano said. “They didn’t take the proper steps.”
Critics of Mr. Obama’s used the very same argument to attack a similar executive action that sought to protect undocumented parents of Americans and lawful residents. That program was never put in effect after Republicans sued, claiming in part that the president had violated the Administrative Procedures Act.
Ms. Napolitano’s lawsuit, which was filed in Federal District Court in Northern California, also claims that the decision to rescind her DACA memo was “arbitrary and capricious” because the Trump administration officials did not offer an expansive legal argument justifying their decision.
“If the agency wants to change the rules, they need to explain why,” said Alexander A. Berengaut, a lawyer for Covington & Burling, a law firm that is representing Ms. Napolitano and the university system.
The lawsuit contends that the Trump administration needed to provide a more substantial justification for ending the program because those who enrolled in it made long-term decisions like enrolling in college or getting a loan based on the assumption that it would continue.
And finally, the suit alleges a violation of the constitutional due process rights of DACA enrollees.
Stephen H. Legomsky, a professor at the Washington University School of Law and a former general counsel at the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, said the university’s legal case is making plausible arguments for the court to consider.
“I definitely think this lawsuit stands a good chance of succeeding,” Mr. Legomsky said. “So much is going to turn on which judge they land.”
Lawyers for Ms. Napolitano are urging the court to issue an injunction preventing the federal government from ending the program.
Game Time?
Tigers???
My friend also said folks stayed with her, over Labor Day, on their way back to Marco Island. Not good.
Didn’t PoP (Priscilla) live around Tampa?
Jamie, glad to see you here. due to fearless leader facing perils of possible power losses, was wondering if as in the past we are to look to you step into the breech and be our default/deputy sheriff. our heroine. you’ve saved the trail before when the boss faced hardships. so may we who might have threads to post in case craig can’t depend on you to push the magic publish button to make it so???? please? pretty please?
Some zoo relocations but mainly batten down the hatches for most of the animals.
Hurricane Irma: Zoos, Wildlife Centers
Floods in Asia, Earthquakes in Mexico, Fires in the West. Somebody really pissed off Mother Nature.
Looks like Florida will have a few hours left before a
badvery bad day.Craig – Disney closings was off top of my head. Should have checked the internets.
I cannot imagine leaving a house on Key West and going inland for a week, not knowing if it will be there on return, or even if the road will be there either. My heart goes out for one of the contractors of my program.
boss, might wanna keep toby inside for a few days after the storm leaves some unwanted visitors your way
nytimes: Conservationists See a Hurricane Risk: Florida’s Exotic Pets Could Escape
When Hurricane Andrew battered South Florida in 1992, conservationists say, a slithering, voracious species escaped a breeding facility and made its way toward Everglades National Park. There, the Burmese python, originally from Southeast Asia, would feast on raccoons, eggs and deer, multiplying into the tens of thousands, until it had ravaged the ecosystem.
Now, with Hurricane Irma fast approaching Florida, wildlife organizations are concerned that other nonnative species could be unleashed in the state. There are more than 1,200 species of reptiles and amphibians kept in captivity in Florida, according to the United States Association of Reptile Keepers. Many of them, like the veiled chameleon, Mexican spinytail iguana and Javan file snake, are nonnative.
“You’ve got a lot of exotic pet breeders down in South Florida,” said Bruce Stein, associate vice president for conservation science at the National Wildlife Federation. “The question is: What’s next?”
There is no definitive proof that Hurricane Andrew was responsible for the invasion of the Burmese python, which was first spotted in the Everglades in the 1980s. Exotic pets are frequently released in the wild by their owners. But after a reptile breeding warehouse was destroyed in the 1992 hurricane, the python population boomed.
Dr. Stein said he feared that amid the chaos of a powerful hurricane, amphibians and reptiles like the “extremely aggressive” Nile crocodile could break loose from breeding centers and private collections. “It’s not inconceivable that we have a repeat of what truly is an ecological disaster in the Everglades,” he said. “It’s a ‘black swan’ event: low probability, high risk.”
No worries about Toby, Pat. She runs to her “panic room” — a corner behind a chair — at the first sound of thunder and Disney/Universal fireworks. We might not see her for a couple of days.
Yes, Jamie would you be willing to step in as thread traffic cop? I’ve changed your user status for this awesome responsibility.
🙂
Trail version of the 25th. Smoothly done.
We join you in the wait and watch, all mixers in Florida.
limbaugh evacuated after calling the hurricane a hoax to jack-up fuel prices. As if Harvey didn’t start the trend. In watching the mass evacuation northward in Florida? It would have been a great thing to have an elevated train on the turnpike, interstates to move humans a lot faster than their own personal car. What a waste of right-of-way. From memory, the Florida turnpike is the highest point in southern Florida. When you have an elevation of 3 feet above sea level on the coasts? Get out of the way. With huge storms from man’s interference (ladies, you are not culpable) becoming a frequent occurrence? We need a better plan and more restrictions from insurance companies who cowardly leave the big money and heavy lifting to the government of the people while collecting all of the premiums. Volunteers saving the day while the paid sit on their hands. We in the west have been paying for the bad repug planning and climate change denial for years. scott has created a logistical nightmare for his citizens with whiplash and conflicting instructions.
Ha, Flatus, this could turn into a coup, you must be somewhere in the line of succession.
Meanwhile, Kelly continues to bring WH back to normal. john destefano still survives, the last of the rnc remnants in the WH.
A longtime House aide, Johnny DeStefano, will head the Office of Public Liaison while a search is conducted for a permanent director.
The complete article from the NYT.
Why is NOAA in the Dept. of Commerce? richard nixon created NOAA and Obama attempted to move the agency. The agency still remains in the Dept. of Commerce. repugs slicing and dicing science when it should be a standalone department in and of itself. Freedom of science as in freedom of religions and superstitions in this country. When I lived in Boulder, Colorado, the building that housed NOAA was featured in Woody Allen’s movie, Sleeper.
Craig, coup–moi??
Loved going up to Boulder, Golden and Central City when we lived at Madison and Colfax……..along with trips up into them there hills…..Kremmling, FairPlay, lot of the ski resorts etc…..love that place
flatus, to be clear, the trail version of the 25th amdmt in no way should be read as casting aspersions on fearless leader’s mental capacity. all blame will be upon florida power and light.
craig, before next storm, you might wanna invest in a crank-up or solar powered (assuming sun will shine again) charger specifically made for your cell phone. also those hand crank-up camp lamps and radio/weather thingies are really handy (no pun intended) when the grid is down for days on end. ahh, back to the days of yore.
But if I were to go back I think I’d be a bit more inclined to mountains in New Mex……
Hook up a charger to a stationary bike
Work off some of that Hurric-Cranial stress…..
The sun is shining and the Monarch Way Station is booked to capacity…….the clam beholds the storm.
The Crawfords have a generator which according to General Honore’ we should all have
We have a yamaha suitcase generator and I would recommend it–I understand the Honda’s are also very good.
How do you know it’s a Denver Omelette?
By the Brown Cloud above it.
Heard about Denver’s new zoo?
They put a fence around Boulder.
2 lame jokes making the rounds in 81-82
trumprusski-ville is turning into lawyer gold rush days. another one gets a hired gun
newsweek: Donald Trump’s Communications Director hires lawyer amid Russia probe report
KGC… sorry to read of you losing one of your pups. One would think that after a lifetime of many pets it would get easier to accept their passing. Not so… I find the older I get, the harder it is.
sj… what’s the name of your cats?
BlueinD… PoP stood for “Pissed off Patricia”…. yeah… she lived somewhere in Florida.
Sitting here and thinking of my favorite place in Florida… Sanibel Island… and The Bubble Room on Captiva…. crap.
sturge…I lived in Boulder from 75 -80. Great movie from 1975 about RVs and attempted skiing trip in Aspen, Colorado — Race with the Devil. No one gets out of texas alive!
“Hook up a charger to a stationary bike”
sturge, best idea yet. generators need gas and when fuel is scarce and rationed, good ole hand and foot (or doggie on a treadmill) power backup can’t be beat for little devices like phones, flashlights and radios. also smells less and a heckuva lot quieter
Pat, we rely mostly on old-school lighting — candles, no battery replacement stress. Also we re-create the old-fashioned ice box. Loaded up bottom of freezer with water-filled gallon milk jugs, that has kept frozen food frozen enough for up to 3 days, enough to keep it safe for grilling. And when the bottles melt you’ve got more drinking water.
We deploy the generator for the air conditioner.
As for new school, the solar powered charger sounds nifty. We’ve got two cell phones charged up and a portable charger with 6 hours in it. With care, that should be enough for 2-3 days. Assuming the cell service stays up, of course.
We have learned over the years that, just like a military campaign, something unexpected will go wrong.
We hit Madison Colfax in Sept 79…… If I’d known you were there I’d have brought a cake…….
The suitcase generators run for a long time over 16 hours on a gallon of gas — they won’t power a whole house but what you need
craig, yeah, forgot about the frozen water-filled gallon milk jugs. they sure do work doing double duty. also had to fill up all tubs, pails, whatever holds water for when the plumbing failed… so many utilities now depend on the grid.
going gridless reminds me again of the worries right now in all those paperless/computer dependent legal and medical offices…. a lot of folks aren’t prepared to a return to pre-computer days, even if it’s just a matter of days not months.
Patd
Haven’t used it much lately, but the doors to Jamie’s Place are always open. Feel free to send traffic there until Fearless Leader is once more available and in charge.
https://jamiesplace.wordpress.com/
RR
I agree – it never gets easier to lose a pet
Jaime
I think you are in charge here if something happens at the Southern Command
Craig changed your status to commander in chief II
Beware of Flatus
Jamie……maybe you can hire Les Nessman as your assistant in the field?
Sturgeone
Re the mountains of NM, it has been umfpity decades since I’ve been there, but Cloudcroft was always one of my favorites. If you had some coin, staying at The Lodge was a real treat but the natural wonders are free.
KGC
Okay. I’ll try to keep any mice playing while cat’s away under control.
Craig
Let me know before you go and I’ll put up a thread (or you can) for folks to comment on while you are tending to Dad & Toby.
Thanks Jamie, with you on deck we won’t skip a beat here.
Jamie, you’ve got your hands full.
Craig,
I’ve got a short blurb in draft ready to go as soon as you say change.
Patd
I think that is my all time favorite commercial … lol
Go ahead and post it, Jamie. I’d like to see if I set you up correctly.
NEW THREAD