So I know I’ve been going on about this lately but I’m amazed, never seen anything like it — 12 national polls in a row showing a tied presidential race. What are the odds? All are within the margin of error and in the last three the candidates post the same number!

Attribution: Presidential Fitness by Pat Bagley, The Salt Lake Tribune, UT
speaking of freaky, throw in creepy and icky
Ex-Trump aide Cassidy Hutchinson claims Rudy Giuliani groped her on January 6 | US news | The Guardian
Didn’t all the polls forecast a Red Tsunami in the mid-terms? Were there any polls saying otherwise? If so, which ones?
The efficacy of polls has become suspect.
if they get a few polls here and there which turn out to be reliable, they use those to justify the rest of them which are as apt to be maybe as maybe not. in a Plains Tribe, the Medicine Man conjures up prophetic visions. When they turn out to be true, they all dig it, but when they turn out to be off the mark, the visions are simply ignored and forgotten. It’s been a long time but I remember reading about that in books by Dee Brown.
Everyone who is not a MAGAt KNOWS what the deal is. Somehow the polls don’t reach them. The oligarchs and their corporate media are working overtime to try and make people think there is a close “horse race” going on. . “No Labels”. RFKJr, Green Party, etc….they are desperate because Democracy is coming to the USA.
And to Ukraine.
no wonder current polls (if you believe them) show ties or worse for potus joe; media is hell bent on having a horse race, focusing in on the low hanging fruit spewing daily for easy consumption from the magaT in chief and ignoring the positive efforts and achievements Joe continues to deliver. example yesterday was the pitiful lack of coverage if any of
Biden’s new Climate Corps will train thousands of young people – The Washington Post
Robert Reich
Never forget this: The GOP’s nonsensical culture war is meant to distract you from corporate corruption, worker oppression, and staggering wealth inequality.
Victor Shi
A huge shoutout to Democrats today who did such an amazing job pushing back against Republican nonsense & conspiracy theories during the Merrick Garland hearing. Democrats came ready to play, they brought the receipts, & stuck to the facts & truth. So proud to be on Team Blue.
sorta sideways atta boy from editorial board in their
Opinion | In Hunter Biden and other probes, Merrick Garland tries to rebuild DOJ – The Washington Post
Speaking of Ukraine.
Al Franken’s guest is Anne Applebaum who gives her well-informed views on the war. She lives in Poland so is very close to the situation.
Generic ballot polls in 2022 were pretty accurate, predicted Dems would keep Senate and Republicans win House. Don’t know about individual races. But that isn’t my point. A dozen polls can’t all be wrong. This race is clearly tied, and seems baked in. We cannot safely assume Biden will beat Trump. Don’t panic, Dems, but don’t blame the pollsters. Get to work!
ms petri’s Opinion | The loss of the Senate dress code is the downfall of civilization – The Washington Post
Exceptions to Dress Code:
Obviously all this also goes for staffers! Dignity of work!
sorry about the length but it was too funny to edit anything out.
“Get to work” seems to be the best answer to so many things in life.
rupert’s retiring and lachlan’s taking the reins
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/rupert-murdoch-retiring-fox-steps-down-chairman-
As 2016 should have taught us, no safe assumptions. As posted the other night (maybe too late-night for east coasters) but bears repeating. Let’s change the “they’s” to “we’s.”
“…In polls, Trump is running even with Biden because many Americans are unhappy with the economy, and most see Biden as old and tired. These people need to be reacquainted with the reality of Trump.
They need to be reminded how recklessly he makes decisions, how poorly he controls his impulses, how ruthlessly he lies, and how impervious he is to correction. They need to be reminded how callously he disregards his oath of office and how little he cares about anyone but himself.
They need to be reminded what a psychopath he is.”
Yes…..keep the battle totally focused on THEM and on the Fascist desire for corruption and overthrowing elections.
Hold their feet to the fire. From now to next November. A constant barrage of truth.
I can’t tell you how depressing it is to me that after WW2 and the Cold War, America has to VOTE about whether or not to be Fascist. Just like in Germany. Again, it comes again.
Again with the Brown Shirts
Decrying the Jews as they march along like a kindergarten class walking down the street on an outing with their teacher.
Again. Always the eternal Again.
They never let up.
Sigh (again) – I very much dislike the feeling when learning that someone you think is old, very old, looks old, probably smells old, is younger than I am. Bill Murray, actor.
AH McCarthy declines President Zylensky request to address joint session of Congress. I am sure that his boss puttie did not want that to happen.
Their base support for both is 45% Where will the undecided/refused to answer 10% go?
Given last month several polls had a question that ended up with over 50% saying no way no how were they voting for Trump, and an additional 10% saying they were worried.
That tells me that the 10% maybe leftists that are disappointed with Bidens policies and wish for some fairy god mother candidate but they are too uncertain who that savior might be, so when push comes to shove they will vote for Biden. Unless it looks like Biden is a shoe in, then they will vote Green party.
And that is the way Trump wins.
Jack
“Unless it looks like Biden is a shoe in, then they will vote Green party.
And that is the way Trump wins.”
jack, deja vu all over again… just like what happened to hillary. so many of the bernie crowd opted out for greener pastures. voila drumpf’s disintegration of democracy began.
sometimes being the underdog helps
Maybe the Democrats need to be pointing out the obvious, Biden isn’t setting on the toilet at 3am rage tweeting. Thats what happens when you don’t exercise and forget to eat your fiber. It looks like we have 2 old men as our choices, The answer to the question “is Joe too old?” is to point that one out. So do we vote for the old guy who is fit active and engaged with the world or do we vote for the old guy who rage tweets at 3 in the morning because he is so constipated that he can’t take a crap. A man who obviously sets on his wide ass all day and has a belly that is hanging over his belt. A candidate for a heart attack any day now.
Jack
That’s it Jack. Old Beats Crazy and Old!!!
Craig – There must be a lot of folks who watch “Hogan’s Heroes” as instructional videos and be rooting for the Germans.
When I see pics from MAGAt rallies with young tRUMPers, I think that CPS should’ve removed those kids before it was too late.
I also think that those, mostly boys, have access to guns and no conscience about using them.
People get their politics from their peer groups, and outside of metropolitan liberal bubbles, the right-of-center (and beyond) are just reinforcing the same beliefs they had 3 years ago, no philosophical growth is happening in the ‘burbs
The Putin Caucus wins again…NBC News confirms Punchbowl: Kevin McCarthy denied a request from President Zelenskyy to deliver a joint address to Congress.
Right-wing disinformationists are exploiting boutique social media to disseminate their propaganda, and it’s reaching the end-consumer in a casual way that makes them accept it unquestioningly. Things like facebook groups and that racist nextdoor app, discord, tiktok etc…
This focus on the MSM and what it instills and reinforces is missing at least half of the game. it’s 2023, no one watches “meet the press” except boomers and politicos
“I can’t tell you how depressing it is to me that after WW2 and the Cold War, America has to VOTE about whether or not to be Fascist”
Amen, Sturge
“accidental fentanyl overdose”
WTF? How do you accidently OD. You took the shit, you knew your risk, you died. It wasn’t an accident; it was ignoring an obvious risk when using black market fentanyl.
Yet this is the BBC.
Never mind
Jack
Jack – there is one, often talked about, solution to the polls, sfb does a room temperature event. Whether slipping on stairs, one of his known phobias, to choke and turn blue, to rage stroke out, to just no blood flow due to clogged everything, there are many possibilities because the former guy is a golf cart riding disaster.
I think I need to lace my coffee with my drug of choice. Irish whisky and heavy cream.
So if I die of a heart attack, it wasn’t an accident, I knew that cream would get me one of these days. But the risk is worth it.
Jack
…by thinking you’re taking a different drug, the article posits the person thought he was doing cocaine.
BBC is amazing and apolitical, except maybe on Ukraine, because Brits across the political spectrum understand that Putin is a monster
i get migraines, and recently someone offered me what they told me was generic imitrex they got from Mexico- it was a white unmarked tablet. Voicing my concerns regarding potential contamination and lack of regulation, i politely declined and just took too many Advil, instead
…but THAT is another way people “accidentally oversose”
The BBC World Service is so amazing, that yesterday, a call-in show based around the climate-impacts of personal food-choices featured a brilliant question for an international listener:
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Great stuff, highly recommend ✌️🇺🇦🫡🇺🇸
Yea Bink that is what mamas tell themselves, I’m reminded of an aunt whose son was a bad alcoholic, it was always the bar and the liquor stores fault.
Jack
Good judgment Bink – who the hell knows what’s in an unmarked white pill from Mexico? While it may have escaped my notice, I haven’t heard of a brisk trade in Mexican Imitrex generics. Chinese Fentanyl smuggled through Mexico – I have noticed talk about that.
Family members tend to try and not see the failures of their kin – makes it easier to spend Thanksgiving together without having to deal with the guilt. It’s natural and unfortunate, but Jack has a point. Under the situation at issue there’s plenty of blame to go around.
And anyone who tells Mrs. P that Rupert is retiring at 92 – If she wants me to work another 20 years like he did I’m coming after you.
poobah, of course it was just one polling org, but for the 2022 elections Marist (A tated at 538) saw a swing from Dems +3 in early October to Repubs +3 in early November in their polls running up to the midterms, and Marist tends to be pretty mainstream and among the top rated polls at fivethirtyeight.
Here’s the link to a fivethirtyeight analysis of the 21-22 pollsters and how they did.
needlessly cruel is watching your wife in intense pain and nobody will do anything about it because they are all scared to give pain meds because this little shit and others like him overdosed.
The BBC reporter has an obligation to the truth, and the truth is all he knows for certain is that the family believes it was accidental. Given my experience in that world that information may very well have come from the person who knowingly handed him the drug. A good friend of course.
Odds are he was grabbing things by the handful and taking whatever anybody was handing him.
Pogo
Along the border there is a brisk trade with Americans going to Mexico for cheaper drugs. With things such as insulin the difference in price is significant, the difference between $70 and $400 for the Lantus insulin. Before she got sick Mrs Jack and I were thinking about moving to South Texas, we thought it might pay just in my reduced cost of insulin. Reading up on it most of the drugs you buy in Mexico are the same ones you buy in your local CVS all made in the same factory.
Jack
Pogo
I’ve been in full retirement now for a year and a half, life is good. It is why I can’t understand why someone Biden’s age isn’t taking it easy I’ve got my success stories, it is the kids problem now.
Having been there and done that and having the Tshirt, I do have a box of Tshirts, packed away and labeled “for when I’m in the nursing home”. Along that line last Christmas I passed out generous cash gifts to my local nieces and nephews. I told them it came with a string attached. when I was in the nursing home they had to stop by once a month and bring a pint of whisky and diet coke to mix it with. I got one niece to agree. So maybe life will continue to be good.
Jack
Good Party—where’s the whiskey?
Addicts don’t think like we do. If a drug is “good enough to kill you,” they all want it.
MSNBC opinion tweet
caption for picture of Rupert:
Frankenstein—and Chump is his monster.
So then, they’re saying Neville Chamberlain got a bum rap?
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000018a-b5ae-df44-abba-b5ae132b0000
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/benedict-arnold-commits-treason?cmpid=email-hist-tdih-2023-0921-09212023&om_rid=d75621b537d5e32caee29175c2f9e621c9f96cbd410e06e6d57cc1294da0c1d7
https://www.history.com/news/why-did-benedict-arnold-betray-america
Let that be a lesson to you…
The Rupert retirement and eventual demise is interesting. I would love to see the siblings support James instead of Lachlan. Cable needs a straight news channel similar to the original CNN and now Britain’s Sky News.
A Randy Rainbow flashback on the condition of Kevin’s condition
It is a Thursday, towards the final week of September 2023, and what we see is the failure of the American Experiment. There is a complete and utter end of financing the government as the russian government has finally gotten enough of its agents in the congress of the United States.
Does that sound dour enough?
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