Seditious Conspiracy

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18 U.S. Code § 2384
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Attorney General Garland: “Today the Justice Department secured the conviction of four leaders of the Proud Boys for seditious conspiracy related to the January 6th attack on the Capitol.”

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  2. other hints indicating his requisite intent and why the loser guy eventually gets convicted too.

    last month

    Proud Boys trial: DOJ, defense attorneys blame Donald Trump for Jan. 6 (usatoday.com)

    As the seditious conspiracy trial of five Proud Boys  comes to an end, both prosecutors and defense attorneys have made it clear there’s an elephant not in the courtroom: former President Donald Trump. 
    Prosecutors are accusing the defendants of acting like “Donald Trump’s army,” motivated to keep Trump in power after what they viewed as a fraudulent presidential election in 2020.
    Defense attorneys for the Proud Boys on trial agree Trump is to blame, but for different reasons; they say that the former president’s rhetoric inflamed the mob that attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 — not members of the right-wing extremist group. 
    “It was Donald Trump’s words, it was his motivation, it was his anger that caused what occurred on Jan. 6,” Tarrio attorney Nayib Hassan said in his closing remarks. “They want to use Enrique Tarrio as a scapegoat for Donald Trump and those in power.”

    and
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-hugs-jan-6-rioter_n_644bc2a5e4b011a819c72f9c

    Former President Donald Trump on Thursday hugged a woman who served a prison sentence for her participation in the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, during a campaign stop in New Hampshire.
    In video shared by The Washington Post, a supporter for the former president can be heard shouting “She’s a J6er,” allegedly referring to Micki Larson-Olson, who was sentenced to a 180-day jail term after being charged with a misdemeanor for obstructing law enforcement’s efforts to clear the U.S. Capitol grounds during the insurrection.
    The encounter took place during a stop Trump made at Red Arrow Diner, following a rally in Manchester, New Hampshire.
    The video shows Trump approaching Larson-Olson, saying: “Listen, you just hang in. You guys are going to be OK.” The former president, who last year launched a 2024 White House bid, has said he would “seriously” consider issuing pardons to those with Jan. 6-related sentences, if he secures another term in office.
    Over 1,000 have so far been charged for their involvement in the insurrection.
    At the diner, Trump called on Larson-Olson to “get over here” after she requested a picture with him, and the two posed together for the cameras.
    Following the picture, Trump also gifted Larson-Olson a pen and gave her a hug.
    “You know what she’s been through,” he said. “You’ve been through too much.”
    Before leaving the venue, Trump also reportedly signed her backpack, which she said she brought over to the Capitol on Jan. 6.

    last year
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/01/donald-trump-pardons-january-6-us-capitol-attack

    “I mean full pardons with an apology to many,” he told Wendy Bell, a conservative radio host on Thursday. “I will be looking very, very strongly about pardons, full pardons.”

  4. but what will happen on appeals to the supremes of such convictions and other far right cases?   hard to look away from stories like these and their effect on at least one of the justices when considering the answer.

    Leonard Leo directed fees to Clarence Thomas’s wife, urged ‘no mention of Ginni’ – The Washington Post

    Conservative judicial activist Leonard Leo arranged for the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to be paid tens of thousands of dollars for consulting work just over a decade ago, specifying that her name be left off billing paperwork, according to documents reviewed by The Washington Post.
    In January 2012, Leo instructed the GOP pollster Kellyanne Conway to bill a nonprofit group he advises and use that money to pay Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the documents show. The same year, the nonprofit, the Judicial Education Project, filed a brief to the Supreme Court in a landmark voting rights case.
    Leo, a key figure in a network of nonprofits that has worked to support the nominations of conservative judges, told Conway that he wanted her to “give” Ginni Thomas “another $25K,” the documents show. He emphasized that the paperwork should have “No mention of Ginni, of course.”

    Conway’s firm, the Polling Company, sent the Judicial Education Project a $25,000 bill that day. Per Leo’s instructions, it listed the purpose as “Supplement for Constitution Polling and Opinion Consulting,” the documents show.
    In all, according to the documents, the Polling Company paid Thomas’s firm, Liberty Consulting, $80,000 between June 2011 and June 2012, and it expected to pay $20,000 more before the end of 2012. The documents reviewed by The Post do not indicate the precise nature of any work Thomas did for the Judicial Education Project or the Polling Company.
    The arrangement reveals that Leo, a longtime Federalist Society leader and friend of the Thomases, has functioned not only as an ideological ally of Clarence Thomas’s but also has worked to provide financial remuneration to his family. And it shows Leo arranging for the money to be drawn from a nonprofit that soon would have an interest before the court.
    In response to questions from The Post, Leo issued a statement defending the Thomases. “It is no secret that Ginni Thomas has a long history of working on issues within the conservative movement, and part of that work has involved gauging public attitudes and sentiment. The work she did here did not involve anything connected with either the Court’s business or with other legal issues,” he wrote. “As an advisor to JEP I have long been supportive of its opinion research relating to limited government, and The Polling Company, along with Ginni Thomas’s help, has been an invaluable resource for gauging public attitudes.”
    Of the effort to keep Thomas’s name off paperwork, Leo said: “Knowing how disrespectful, malicious and gossipy people can be, I have always tried to protect the privacy of Justice Thomas and Ginni.”
    [long article continues]

  5. more excerpts from above wapo link:

    Leo’s ties to the Thomases go back decades and span their personal and professional lives.
    Leo advised Clarence Thomas through his contentious confirmation process in the early 1990s and made Thomas the godfather of one of his children. Leo also has hosted the justice at his New England vacation home, according to the New York Times.
    At a Federalist Society event in 2018, Thomas shared a stage with Leo and jokingly told him, “You’re the Number Three most powerful person in the world.”
    The year before that, Ginni Thomas called Leo a “mentor to me” and “a hero” when she honored him with one of her Impact awards for conservative activists.
    “Leonard Leo has single-handedly changed the face of the judiciary,” she said at the awards dinner, held at what was then the Trump International Hotel in Washington. “He has many hats. That isn’t even all he does. He does not really tell all that he does. But I know enough to know the man is a force of nature.”
    […]
    Thomas’s votes were aligned with the Judicial Education Project in six of the cases in which it filed briefs, including the Hobby Lobby case and two involving affirmative action at public universities. Thomas, a longtime critic of affirmative action, voted with the majority to uphold Michigan’s prohibition on race-based admissions at its public universities, and he dissented in a ruling that upheld admissions policies at the University of Texas.
    Thomas’s votes did not align with the group’s position in three other cases, including one that largely upheld the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions. The court did not take up all the cases in which the Judicial Education Project filed briefs.
    The group’s interest in the Supreme Court extended beyond the courtroom. It spent money on campaigns to support President Donald Trump’s nominations of Brett M. Kavanaugh and Neil M. Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. And it is listed as a funder in the credits of a 2020 documentary that celebrated Thomas. Clarence and Ginni Thomas are featured extensively in the documentary, titled “Created Equal: Justice Thomas In His Own Words,” talking about the justice’s upbringing and his judicial philosophy.
    As the Judicial Education Project pushed for a conservative court, the group grew into a financial juggernaut and was rebranded as the 85 Fund. Between 2020 and 2021, its revenue nearly doubled from about $66 million to more than $117 million, tax forms show.
    Even so, the group has never had more than a handful of employees, tax filings show. It has listed its main office address as a UPS Store situated amid rowhouses and retail stores in the Georgetown neighborhood of D.C.

  6. hard to see from this 2022 article that the Thomases are in such dire need they have to seek financial help from their friends Messrs. Crow and Leo

    Supreme Court Justices’ Incomes Revealed in New Reports | Time

    Here’s How Much the Supreme Court Justices Made Last Year
    New financial-disclosure reports released Thursday reveal how much the U.S. Supreme Court Justices made last year—and show that some of them were able to add six figures to their salaries through lucrative book deals.
    […]
    This book income is in addition to a base salary of $268,300 in 2021 for the eight Associate Justices and $280,500 for Chief Justice John Roberts.
    Justices are legally limited to not earn more than roughly $30,000 for outside teaching. Several justices earned close to that in 2021. Clarence Thomas reported earning $29,595 from George Washington University School of Law and University of Notre Dame combined, Gorsuch earned $26,541 from George Mason University, Brett Kavanaugh made $25,541 from George Mason, and Barrett made $14,280 from University of Notre Dame, where she was previously a professor.
    Samuel Alito’s disclosures have not yet been released, and the Washington Post reported that court officials said he filed for an extension. The Supreme Court did not respond to TIME’s request for comment.
    The 2021 financial disclosures, published online by the court reform advocacy organization Fix the Court, come during a period of heightened scrutiny on Supreme Court ethics reforms. On May 13, President Joe Biden signed a law that will increase financial disclosure requirements for federal judges and Supreme Court Justices going forward, mandating a creation of an online database where the public can search federal judges’ and Supreme Court Justices’ financial disclosures. The law also mandates that judges and Justices follow the same financial disclosure rules as Congress, which require them to file transaction reports. The new law will take effect by the time the Justices release their financial disclosures next year.
    [continues]

  8. last week from ms petri on the subject

    Opinion | We’re the Supreme Court! Why would we need an ethics code? – The Washington Post

    Hi! We’re the highest court in the land, with the fate of millions of people in our hands all the time, at least in the parts of our hands that are not already holding big bags of money from unspecified sources. Hmmm. Sorry, let us start over.
    Hi, we’re the highest court in the land, and we don’t want you to worry that we have let that lofty post get to our heads! Of course we don’t think of ourselves as above the law! It’s just, if we decide something isn’t the law, it stops being law, so in that sense, we are kind of above it? Sorry, hang on. Let us start again.
    Hi, we’re the highest court in the land! We keep hearing people complain about our lack of ethics code. Well, the good news is: We have a code of ethics! And it is … don’t worry about it! We have read other ethics codes that bind other judges, and we love the spirit of those codes! Are we bound by them? Shush.
    […]
    We know that a lot of people are looking at the court and saying, “Should they do that?” and “Don’t they have to tell us if they do that?” and “All I ask is that before you rule on whether I get to keep autonomy over my body, you tell me if you have spent your free time hanging out with a Nazi tea kettle! I’m not even saying you need to stop fraternizing with Evil Mrs. Potts, only that you disclose and recuse appropriately!” Or, you know, things of that nature. This makes us feel like you think we are maybe not above criticism.
    So to please you people, we’ve been looking into having a code of conduct. We looked so hard but ultimately found that … we did not want to. Maybe the real ethics code is in our hearts. Maybe an ethics code is more of a journey than a destination. Not the kind of journey we would need to disclose, the other kind.
    […]
    Besides, a bunch of these demands for ethics standards come from Congress, which really should know better. We’re the Supreme Court, after all. We can’t be in a position where our prerogatives could be suddenly curtailed by somebody else who didn’t like that we were living our lives in accordance with our own lights. That’s no way to live — thinking you are free to do something, and then suddenly being told you aren’t! No, not for us. For some people, maybe, but not for us.

  9. I think that Clarence Thomas has just taken it all waaaay too far past that bridge too far.    He’s gonna soon have to “vacate the premises”. 
    Need an office pool for the date of his last day because i believe it to be “imminent”.

  10. Reminds me of once upon a time in the south when the roadside landscapes and cow pastures were scarred by the billboards and crudely scrawled plywood signs all imploring:  “IMPEACH EARL WARREN”.

  11. While the barn roofs all commanded:  SEE ROCK CITY, and sometimes way up in a tree would be a simple blue sign just letting you know that “JESUS SAVES”.

  12. Garland is gradually moving from the boots to the suits in prosecuting Trump’s coup attempt. Next up, hopefully, are Bannon, Giuiliani, Bernard Kerik and John Eastman — who ran the Willard Hotel war room in the days before Jan. 6. They got calls from Mark Meadows and Trump himself as they plotted. Roger Stone was also there, and once it became clear their scheme had failed he hurried out of town, fearing prosecution. Let the plot thicken!

  13. Don’t forget the Burma Shave signs on the shoulders of the roads – before the Interstates killed Burma Shave ads.

  15. Sturgeone – Ol Coke can Clarence is probably going to get to play justice until June. Unless more of the exploits of Ginnie and he come to light.  A long time ago a group, I think it was Anonymous but it might not be, explained that if the court formerly known as the supreme got rid of women’s health care they would expose them for their badness.  I expect that group to continue the release of information about the three imposters too.  Roberts may end up sitting on a cactus just to ease the pain of his world.

  18. Sometimes scandal visits this one, that one, or the other and if they manage to weather the storm a bit it just slides away from them.  But when a scandal lasts past a certain amount of time and the drums start beatin like Buddy Rich with 3 hammers–usually the Rascal’s ass is only-a-matter-of-time-soon up for grabs.   

  19. Justices are legally limited to not earn more than roughly $30,000 for outside teaching. Clarence Thomas reported earning $29,595

    lol what a skunk

  20. weissmann has a point and IRS/DOJ or somebody should be checking some of clarence’s old tax records:
    @AWeissmann

    How is this “personal hospitality?” It’s not. It also may be taxable income. Do we think Thomas paid taxes on it?
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    Have you picked another horse for tomorrow?  Cyclone Mischief, King Russell have joined the lineup

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  27. Jeez…….we get one gop draft-dodging cheerleader president and what the hell he do?     That’s right he starts a fuckin war in Iraq….great job, Bushie.   Then what?  Oh, that’s right  a fricken Great Depression.   Hope you like Hot Dogs.   So, after 8 years of tense respite, what’s next……..Oh, Christ it’s the Orange Whorer.  Just what we needed.   And how’s that work out?     One, Two, Three, Can you say it with Me………..SEDITION !    
    GOP………Paving the road to hell.
     

    Seriously, remember what Bush looked like struttin’ around on that stupid ranch of his with all those other dirt bags? And then we get the one with the Gold Commode. Holy christ what a couple of jacklegs.

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