There it is. For many, unthinkable. But for most, doable. That’s Democracy, majority rules.
Trump’s victory demonstrates how poorly we understood the fear and loathing out there, the abandonment of working folks, the arrogance of media elites and the assumptions of special interests.
The losers might blame what they see as the ignorant misogynist masses, and label Trump a demagogue, which only reaffirms this result for those who chose it.
Let this be a lesson, not a call to arms. If Washington, and the Democratic Party in particular, don’t take on some of the blame for this and stop belittling voters who want change, it happens again, just like it did in the 2014 midterms and again last night.
For mournful Hillary supporters I know your pain. I had chosen another Democrat to work for, and had to accept in the end that what he offered wasn’t selling. When the voters don’t see what you see it hurts.
Accepting what voters choose is what Democracy is all about.
From VB
His victory speech was good & hope this is more of who he will be when he takes office.
Don’t blame voters for their choices, blame the powers-that-be in both parties for failing the 99% for so long. The townsfolk showed up with their pitchforks this year.
And please don’t refer to our veterans who served our country and supported Trump as “deplorables.”
I hope the Green Party will grow & maybe in a term or two, become viable.
Green party been the same for years not going anywhere they are dilettantes
beaten by the flakes from the Libs
As for this is Democracy blah blah blah the only things the dems need to learn is to lie steal and cheat and never apologize and always double down and the media is responsible when Clinton was speaking to press it was a big deal ..not so much when Trump only spoke to Hannity
this election has real consequences
Congratulations on thinking that racism should be rewarded
did you know that trump supporters thing people of color are less evolved.
I got fired from a job many decades ago by saying after the election of Dick Nixon, “Well at least 42% of the people are happy”. This was not a problem and I got another job. This feels like I’ve lost everything I have ever believed about what is good about my country. This is genuinely wanting to leave because it is no longer home. This is horror, disgust and fear of my supposedly fellow citizens because they have voted for everything that is dear to me.
If there is a way to get out, I will find it. Barring that, I will simply drop out because Trump is too disgusting a horror to ever write about.
phony sympathy for vets that is a laugh
Trump used vets as a talking point but the one thing vets want the most he is not going to do
they do not want veterans services outsourced and that is his plan
you don’t know anything about his plans you were so blinded by your crap
World markets are in a tornado as a stunned nation tries to accept reality. I take no joy in the fact I did vote for HRC, because I feel like I am now living in an alternate universe; we are all just a big box of Schrodinger’s kittens here for now…if this thing detonates….
I sat watching , running to the kitchen to make cup after cup of Earl Grey tea, and becoming increasingly shocked…I mean I thought Lewis Carroll had put a rabbit hole in my yard and I had stepped in. All the cartoon renditions of the great Oompa-Loompa Trump ran through my head as I felt like, well… if I hadn’t really transversed over to the other side of reality, I had at least time-travelled back to 1965 and Timothy Leary had dosed me with a double Owsley’s.
9-11 I was also stunned and mad and revengeful, May 4, 1995 , the day a co-worker was gunned down to death in our company parking lot one minute before I saw the aftermath, and now 11-08-16, as FDR is screaming from the grave, “A day that will live in infamy, part deux.” These are a few of my least-favorite things. The multi-millionaires and the billionaires and their soon-to-be Right-wing Supreme Court have won, and I and my ilk have just been mauled by the Revenant bear.
I am having difficulty in posting….took our sign down…we are in shock.
back to the health care fugue for me and hubby…a medical poolpah for us.
my difficulty in posting is not emotional, but the internet tubes have been wild for a few weeks. I tried commenting yesterday and last night, but no luck loading the trail until now.
my brain is staccato mush…melania will be FLOTUS, pence can be pres with one bad bolt on the trump plane, no little marco for 2020, what happens to recreational marijuana, obamacare declared illegal on Jan. 21st, chris christie the first to be pardoned by trump, clinton foundation lives on, supreme court is filled with trump selects, deplorables deleted from dictionary,
blonde wino will go back to her corner where the basket is empty…the deplorables have escaped. It is a long time until sunrise here and the time change has upset my solar rhythms.
me too bw can’t sleep
mr c is tossing and turning– he is worried about climate change
KGC…hubby is trying to sleep as he has a doctor’s appt. at nine. We tried to laugh about the shocking turn of events, I blamed bernie….an old joke between us. the dems better scramble and fast…in reality? I blame tim kaine and his red bull appearance at the VP debates. Best news? The comedy from this tragedy will be amazing. Let us hope trump does not kill science or outlaw jokes. He may cancel SNL. trump was booed when he voted yesterday? Welcome to Obama’s world. It is going to be so strange…sleazy in some ways. Sort of like the phony reagan years.
President elect Donald Trump. The 2016 general election looks like the French Revolution without the guillotine. Maybe? I can hope that Trump will be like Theodore Roosevelt, but I just cannot see that happening.
The Republican and Democratic parties will end up in shambles. Their corruption cannot continue. The Hillary fan club here was like an ideology. Logic, reason and common sense will always lose when in conflict with a person’s ideology.
I just wonder if Bernie Sanders had been given a fair chance by the corrupt DNC to the nomination, would we have President elect Bernie Sanders this morning?
lots of first amendment scolding by hillary haters…we better watch our speech going forward or is that backward? I never thought the trump crowd would be so politically correct especially when it comes to the word deplorables.
I fear for these United States.
engel spot on last night. Carville and brokaw also spoke of burning down the gov’t, draining the swamp is what the voters want.
I fear the many safety nets that will be taken down, not just health care but also public education, no more mass transit, no regulations insuring reliance on things from safe air travel, nontoxic food, air and water. … goodbye financial regs, social security and medicare. hello depression, guns and prayers in schools. assimilate now. resistance is futile.
p.s. please don’t waste precious time and energy on placing blame and on hating your neighbor, your fellow American…. it’s his country too.
Purple – I still think Bernie could’ve taken I him, had the DNC not colluded with Clinton to get rid of that pesky problem of her not having a message that reached the voters. Hillary was a DINO, so of course she couldn’t get traction with her real message. She had to co-opt Bernie’s message & we didn’t believe her.
Both Bernie & Trump were reaching toward the 99%, but with different ideas to resolve problems.
Trump sounded more like FDR than Teddy during his victory speech, putting people back to work to rebuild our infrastructure. Who knows, maybe he can make it happen. Let’s hope victory-speech-Donald shows up for work in January.
The markets will calm themselves. Nothing more than legalized gambling; folks playing their hunches with other people’s money. It’ll rebound.
At least we won’t have four years of continued, Clinton corruption.
Bernie & Elizabeth Warren both tainted their brand by team up with Clinton. Sad.
I need Nash! So many financial questions here, retirement issues…those tough questions for the last quarter of living. I am two years shy of Medicare and I have read that trump will be able to get rid of obamacare in his first minutes. I now follow the sun and although very charitable, the sun can only give so much to my healthcare costs. The repugs think that religious charity is the answer and that will help me and the others in the poor basket with necessary healthcare. I know, the sun gives me free Vitamin D…quit complaining. So many questions here with the new world order. Maybe doctors without borders…the wall is coming, the wall is coming or I may need to go to Mexico for healthcare.
Vent, gloat, get it out. Then wake up tomorrow & work for that which you believe in.
Who knew in draining the swamp we would be stuck with the remaining muck of gingrich and guiliani? Some change!
This is the most amazing piece of electoral / election upset that I have ever experienced. Some initial thoughts include:
– I wonder what Mexico will say when we start building a wall and tell them to pay for it.
– I wonder what Congress will really do when Trump asks Congress for a trillion to build a wall.
– I wonder what will happen in the U.S. when abortion rights are greatly restricted and/or taken away (specially when Ginsburg retires / passes?
– I wonder what the Wall Street bought Congress will do when (if) Trump demands legislation to move jobs back to the US (if he does).
– I wonder what will happen when (well, you know). . .
Reince Priebus is the center of the universe today, eh?
I’m with Vanilla Birdies…
I am still happily married to my best friend. I still have my home. I still love living in NH. I am lucky to be able to do what I love. I am still an artist. I still have many good friends. And most importantly… I am still a Democrat… and will continue to give my voice for what I believe in.
Craig… I agree that Democrats were not paying attention to the anger. Simplistic to blame it on racism. I have friends that voted for Trump and they would not be my friends if they hated people of color or gays. They were mad at the whole government… including the Republican party.
As for President Trump… we will now see how strong our institutions really are… I pray that they hold.
Don’t see this as a draining of the swamp as much as the receding of a flood. Some stuff you can salvage, a lot of stuff gets the heave ho.
The Healing must include the MSM, 4th Estate getting beyond their continued driving of hate and lies. That they put up as editorial as news. Craig you nailed it as there is no doubt that the deplorable basket people are sick and tired of these elitist attitude and this was a major motivator. Such sour grapes and ignorance from the MSM as they are very judgemental and their progressive biases is fine however it is irresponsible to feed this to their followers as news and fact.
I respect more MSNBC (Morning Joe) and Mika.
#BoycottCNN, #BoycottABC
thanks to the supporting roles of comey and assange for pumping their sewage into the swamp.
RebelliousRenee’s sentiments are beautifully said.
Ping,
Should be interesting who is appointed Press Secretary & who gets chosen as White House Correspondents from each media outlet.
One thing we all have in common? We can be glad it is over. As I charitably lick my wounds, I still always wonder in amazement at sore winners.
Ping & Blue
Evil and racism won. Congratulations. Enjoy your wallow in the disgusting mud that is Trump.
Jamie,
Your choice to look at only the very small is your choice, and you choose to ignore the facts and truth. I am confident you will find that 99.9% of the supporters for POTUS Trump are very good, hard working, loving, caring people. Yes there are disagreements and guess what, the system has cycled 100% from 8 years ago. Just as it was not the end 8 years ago with a Dem domination, it is not the end today.
I will join you in rejecting the very few that are hate, evil and racist. I will not join you and all of the others on this blog with identity politics. When you truly respect people for who they are their identity politics goes away.
Love you Craig for this place!
just told dad the news. He said, “Well we’ll have to see how it works.”
not much else to do
Say hey to your dad and if you are in town for awhile maybe we can meet up.
Great line – “Well we’ll have to see how it works.” – I am very hopeful as I choose to look at the positive and the heart, I choose not to listen to the limited interpretation of the political elitist media trying to speak to where Trump stands.
Off to work
AND HUGE KUDOS TO MORNING JOE AND MIKA !!!
#CloseCNN #BoycottABC
I’m a white male. I’m not worried. (Joking) I don’t ever want to hear the rest of the world say that America doesn’t have a sense of humor! That being said, is that inauguration party canceled? 🙁 How did Jill Stein do last night?
Hillary won the popular vote.
The saddest commentary. A country filled with fear and hatred willing to follow a fascist over the cliff.
“Hillary won the popular vote.”
so did al
but look where that got us.
our troops: 4,424 total deaths and 31,952 wounded in action as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
our economy: a great recession.
anybody got a chad hanging out there? maybe a good voter suppression case? perhaps evidence of an fbi coup?
I, like many of you went to bed before the final result. It was getting close to the unimaginable when I called it a night so I didn’t sleep well. I woke up early and couldn’t go back to sleep. I knew I didn’t want to turn on the TV or even read the headlines on my browser home page so I just came here to seek what I hoped would be comfort. I shouldn’t be surprised that most of you are feeling as bad as I do. We will have to comfort each other. To those who are feeling happy about the outcome I say: They know not what they have done! Some are trying to put a good face on it…by saying this is democracy etc. This wasn’t about democracy! This was a lesson in how a demagogue assumes power. This is almost how I felt after 911. I cried for days. But today is worse because I feel like I lost my country. I will no longer watch TV news except for my brief peeks at Sky News to see what the world thinks. The rest of the world is reeling from the shock at this point. I’m expecting the worst. I’ve always been the eternal optimist but that is now gone. I will keep checking in here because if anything important happens that may impact my life I’m sure someone will write about it here.
I will never understand the seething hatred of Hillary that was promulgated and used as a weapon in this election. It even permeated some in this forum! For those talking about the 99%…I AM them, perhaps even more than most of you, and Hillary spoke to me! I’ve been poor, working class my entire adult life, I never thought of Hillary as part of the elite. But then, I’ve been following her for many years and not just listening to those who are out to destroy her. Now it’s being said (even by someone here) that she called vets deplorables! Nobody called vets deplorables. We called sexist, racist trumpers who advocated violence deplorables. The only person who ever disrespected vets and those serving in the military was trump himself! He did it on several occasions.
Reading over some of the comments from last night after I went to bed.
Craig: You think Hillary using the word deplorables sunk her? That was one unfortunate choice of a word. How is it that all the repugnant words that trump used to describe women, minorities, and even those in the military didn’t matter?
I don’t know when people became so immune to the words he was actually saying and chose to only listen to the hateful messages about Hillary. I don’t know how any of this happened. I think we can thank Comey for the straw that broke the camel’s back, but that certainly doesn’t explain this nightmare. I’m frightened and just feel sick. There are things trump has advocated that will personally hurt me so I must wait and watch. It is comforting to have a place to express my pain.
God help, comfort and protect all of us.
The lower house of Russian parliament broke into applause on word Trump won. Meanwhile, our real allies are expressing their fear NATO will die.
so what can a lame duck president accomplish in these last few weeks? release more prisoners? pardon people? declassify everything mentioned in all of Hillary’s damn emails? recess appoint merrick garland? ask ag lynch to appoint a special prosecutor?
Blue,
Bernie & Elizabeth Warren both tainted their brand by team up with Clinton. Sad.
Very true! I believe that they just call it politics.
I think that the attached chart just might help explain what happen yesterday.
The Bottom 90% represents 148,529,700 tax units, the top 0.01% represent only 16,503 tax units. In 2015 the average income of the Bottom 90% was $34,074, down from $40,052 in 1973, while the average income of the Top 0.01% was $31,616,431.
Please Note that the left axis is only for the ‘red line’ (Top 0.01%) and the right axis is for everything else.
Tax Units equals the total the number of people aged 20 and over minus the number of married females. ‘The World Wealth and Income Database’ by Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Suez is based upon Internal Revenue Service data. Married women can file tax separate returns, but the number is ‘fairly small (about 1% of all returns in 1998)’. Piketty and Saez therefore treat the data as relating to tax units.
Top Incomes over the Twentieth Century:
A Contrast Between European and English-Speaking Countries
Edited by A. B. ATKINSON (NuYeld College, Oxford, England) and
T. PIKETTY (PSE, Paris, France)
Page 168 (PDF page 186)
Like I said last night – as a white male moving toward retirement trump’s election and policies probably won’t hurt me, at least on a micro level, but I don’t vote for president to advance my own interests. Hell, if trump does what he said he’s going to do to tax rates, mine will probably go down (we’ll see on that one) but that does not give me any solace. I see instead a religious based political agenda being pushed through that will set individual rights back a generation or two. For me, it was all about the Supreme Court. I am not encouraged.
Good luck with the Green party, blue. History isn’t on your side. And for what it’s worth, I do not believe Bernie would have won.
Craig, you are right about ignoring rural America – it bit the Dem party in the ass.
Well, now I’ve got to go – I’ve got to start planning my move to West Texas to start up a plant manufacturing 40x20x3 foot prefab concrete panels. Might as well get something out of this.
“manufacturing 40x20x3 foot prefab concrete panels”
pogo, solar might give you some good advice on those
Solar may want to become a partner. I’m sure my buddy wouldn’t mind.
blueindallas, here’s part of a long list that breibart reports today and i don’t think it is what you had in mind when you voted green:
The Republican president-elect has spelled out his plan to “Make America Great Again” during his first 100 days in office in a document titled “Contract with the American Voter.”
The laundry list of ideas was unveiled on October 22 in Trump’s own “Gettysburg Address,” delivered at the site where Abraham Lincoln tried to unite a divided nation during the US Civil War in 1863.
[….]
He vowed to lift restrictions on producing fossil fuels, relaunch the Keystone XL oil pipeline project put on hold by President Barack Obama, and cancel billions of dollars in payments to UN climate change programs.
craig, I tried to find that post of yours from some months ago when you vehemently wished for a big change and throwing the bastards out in d.c…. can’t remember exactly what you said but it looks like your wish has been fulfilled with regard at least to 2/3 s of it: potus & scotus
The attached chart Bottom 90% Average Income w/Capital Gains (CPI-U 2015 $) 1917 – 2015 along with the previous chart on the Ratio of Average Income shows that the bottom 90% have been craped on since 1974 by both the Republican and Democratic Parties. That is a period of 42 years. The meteoric rise in the Top 0.01% ratio started in 1979 under Democratic President Carter with his tax cuts of 1978.
How Reaganism actually started with Carter
Think Reagan was the first modern president to preach low taxes, free markets and morality?
By Michael Lind, SALON®, February 8, 2011 07:01 AM EST
Carter, not Reagan, presided over the dismantling of the New Deal regulatory system in airlines, railroads and trucking. Intended to reduce inflation by reducing the costs of essential infrastructure to business, Carter’s market-oriented reforms have backfired, producing constant bankruptcies and predatory hub-and-spoke monopolies in the airline industry, an oligopolistic private railroad industry that has abandoned passenger rail for freight, and underpaid, overworked truckers.
Today’s Democrats would like to forget that supply-side economics was embraced by many members of their own party during the Carter years, while it was resisted by many old-fashioned fiscal conservatives in the GOP. As the economist Bruce Bartlett points out in a history of supply-side economics: “By 1980, the JEC” — Joint Economic Committee of Congress — “was a full-blown advocate of supply-side economics, despite having a majority of liberal Democrats, such as Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and George McGovern (D-SD). Its annual report that year was entitled, ‘Plugging in the Supply Side.
According to the chairman of the JEC, Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, who went on to be President Clinton’s secretary of the Treasury, “The 1980 annual report signals the start of a new era of economic thinking. The past has been dominated by economists who focused almost exclusively on the demand side of the economy … [T]he Committee recommends a comprehensive set of policies designed to enhance the productive side, the supply side of the economy.”
While Carter and Reagan disagreed on many things, they shared the neoliberal consensus that continues to provide the common assumptions for presidents of our own day like George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The New Deal consensus, which lasted from the 1940s until the 1970s, included “Modern Republicans” like Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford. Gerald Ford was the last New Deal president and Jimmy Carter was the first neoliberal president. The Great Recession has discredited much of the neoliberal consensus, but no alternative has yet won wide assent among policymakers and thinkers.
PatD, i remember feeling that way, don’t remember what or when i wrote it up. I saw the anger and angst up close and personal working in a campaign, but we gave up any hope that the Dem Party would reach out to those voters, or even acknowledge them. I eventually suspended disbelief and bought the argument that this could be won without them, but obviously that was badly wrong. Two cycles in row getting hammered by those voters ought to teach the party something, but my guess is Dems will further distance themselves from the white working class.
There is no good in this.
Trump is a dishonest lying lazy son of an asshole. The goops are a minority party and now they are in charge good luck with that
drain the swamp — what a bunch of bullshit. They just want the swamp to work for them
This is about race and religion and don’t fool yourselves for one minute. This is the beginning of a very bad time
Rudy Guiliani as attorney general if that doesn’t tell you something
and don’t forget they comeyed to win so there is a cheater in the whitehouse.
Bernie wasn’t cheated out of a victory he didn’t win.
Jack, Really liked your analytical data thread…still thinking about it…..Hillary had the very best according to that article…and she did not use it to her advantage….or she did not think that she could win……she ran scared again…….
Like I said….Hillary Campaigns in a very scared mode, she is afraid to win…she ran out the clock instead of putting on a full court press while she was ahead…..Now is the time for all those hillary voters to start thinking of a viable third candidate……..
I had all of the intentions of voting for her….but at the last minute….i could not…….i wrote down the name of John Haglen of the natural law party……….wonder how many could not vote for her at the last minute…..
There is very good new today however…..ist latina in the senate…..Nevada….who would have thought that huh……and the asshole sherif over in arizona was tossed out……..wow. weeeeeee…….
Ping, read the thread last night…this am……your stilll a racist shit…….so you think that Puerto Ricans should not have left the reservation to vote for Clinton……dont care how you meant it…you wrote it……Puerto Ricans are Americans no………and they should all be able to vote for a potus….they pay taxes dont they…..
Back to last night………Three people would have beaten trump…..Jim Webb, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren. The only way that Hillary could have won….was to have E. Warren on as vp…….but she did not chose her imo due to the fact that she was afraid of her having to much voice in all things……
Now, NOW is the time to start thinking about a third party……….or you can wait for the pendulum to swing back again……..but if there is someone to blame in all of this……blame Hilllary and her husband……..they and no one else…….I have seen the enemy……and they are us…………
Climate Change is real and everyone who voted for the Fraud In Chief has condemned their grandchildren to horrors we won’t be around to see.
Purple, so true……Carter is not given credit for Reagan’s popularity………..a lot of things that we dont like…..were started by democrats…..and the sneak thieves republicans took credit for…..the ratchet effect of the two party system works well for them……..later a great looking sunny day and im not going to waste it……winter is upon us…..heard that in…………game of thorns…..maybe……going to bull frog lake to take some pcs….great colors of fall……..
ps……wonder what the total will be on how much was spent in this run for potus….the show wasnt even worth the price of the ticket imo…….campaign finance reform…. any one???? purple good to see you……
you are a racist if you voted for Trump his whole campaign is based on racist issues
the anti government issue is just screen It’s all about people who want to put down others on the basis of religion and races to make themselves feel better.
You think your life won’t change think again.
You’ve elected a man who believes in internment camps …..just in case
Bull shit, you need take a better look at that chart. there was income gains under every Democratic President after 1972. Yet the “working man” turned each of them out in favor of Republicans. After a stretch like that It is something besides economics in play. Me thinks maybe your tail is wagging your dog. Maybe starting with that old dog Nixon courting of racist whites in 68?
Jack
For those who think trump’s speech last night was somehow hopeful that he sounded presidential…all it means is that his speech writer wrote a good speech and, for once, trump didn’t go off script!
I just got a note from my nephew’s family — they wore black to work and are thinking about their Canadian heritage and if it gives them automatic ccitizenship right
If you are not scared shitless at this time you did not listen to the big giant asshole during the campaign
He has an financial interest in DAPL what do you think is going to happen to that demonstration with Rudy in charge of the justice dept can you say blankets infected with small pox
I hope no one here is dependent on social secuity or medicare because they will soon be gone. When he said drain the swamp he meant of any government programs that help people.
Our governor said he will buil a wall around California to keep the asshole out.
Something good happened yesterday and several of you made it happen.
Someone ask how the kids who got backpacks were doing. Well thanks to your help they were playing on a new set of swings(installed yesterday)
here is a picture
America is a land of vicious idiots, and now it will be ruled by one. I’m terrified.
While none of your money went into the swings, The support you gave us 2 years ago helped us organise the neighbors so they went to the city and petitioned for money for the swings and other things. A little money in the right spot does wonders, as I remember $400 was leveraged into $150,000.00. The swings(unbelievably expensive but not $150,000) are just the start of building our new park
thanks
Jack
Paul Ryan: “This is the most incredible political feat I have seen in my lifetime.”
“…(with the) consent of the governed…” from Ryan’s mouth to Trump’s ears
Hillary speech starting soon
The popular vote goes to Clinton so what does that say
he’ll be in charge of the most right wing platform ever proposed and most people are opposed
Hang on, KGC, that’s not official yet. She’s 170k votes ahead with 9% of the vote left to count. Gore won pop vote by more than a half million.
Kaine quotes Faulkner: “They kilt us but they ain’t whupped us yet.”
Hillary: “Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.”
He has already shown what his leadership will be
She is showing what a gracious concession speech is
Imagine if it had been Trump that should tell you enough
everyone I know is terrified
When the deportations begin …and everyone is playing team of rivals…I think that is unacceptable. There is no good that can come of a Trump administration. It is just an excuse for racism and all the other isms. People blaming others for their problems and is what Trump does and I don’t want him as my champion And really Mike Pence?
Will it be leadership when Guiliani pursues a case against Clinton This is not the time for bygones
This isn’t a concession speech–it’s an address to all of us.
I have worked on every campaign since I was a small boy.
We have experienced great highs and horrible lows. Last night was the worst of all.
I thought last night and when I awoke this morning that I couldn’t do this anymore and would retreat from the fight.
After hearing Hillary a few minutes ago, I am more proud than ever. Like Hillary, I will get back up, dust myself off, and keep fighting the good fight.
Like your attitude, Oregon
At least Arpio lost.
Trump is a climate change denier. planning on following that leadership
Lucky for all of you I have to go to work.
Hillary is taking the high road. I would have expected nothing less from her. I can’t do that. I have a lot to lose and I’m frightened and heartsick. Someone else not taking this lightly…
Obama: “We are all rooting now for his success in uniting and leading the country.”
Very powerful speeches from both Hillary and President Obama. Also it’s heartening to see many good news stories as well.
Hopefully those which is understandably feeling not so good today get there venting done and complete and remain active in a positive way to move forward.
It still is amazing why people make personal attacks on comments made that they clearly have no understanding what’s behind the individual that they are personally attacking. That’s the one element on this blog that is extremely disturbing. Solar you have no clue. And beyond that I won’t waste my time
Just in case you still want to pretend it’s not racist
think about this
poor (or disadvantage white people voted for Trump)
People of color with the same or worse economic issue did not
Its going to be a little different having a trump presidency……..while listening to Obamas speech…..there was a piece where they showed trump and his family……..his wife had no bra on…..she had a white dress that showed everything………where are the religious nut jobs now…..saw it again…she is wearing a white pants suit, very nice, but……
Jack
That is such good news in the wake of yesterday’s horror. I need to go find a swing.
Ping,
I dont need a clue…..any time that i even think that your hinting in some racist way in one of your comments….i will point it out………since i called you out last time….youve toned it down quite a bit…..maybe now you can stop it all together……that is the only way to shut me up…….
Solar
Where was your precrption of the racist commit? That does not exist
Out the door. Sorry folks…i wont disrupt the trail again…
Corey -Jill got about 1.2 million votes (with another 5 million going to Gary Johnson & others).
Jamie -I slept like a baby. All of that “sludge” from Comey & Assange was her sludge. They just put a light on it it for all to see if they were honest enough with themselves to take a look.
PatD -Hillary is pro-fracking and pro-Keystone. She flipped her position to try to gain votes. We’re probably no worse off with Donald in that respect. Either way, the fossil fuel industry was going to win.
I pray Donald does a good job when he takes office. As with Obama, I wanted him to succeed even though I thought he was an empty suit, because I live here.
Jack,
I have attached a picture of the data so you can see for yourself. Enjoy!
Like I said at 4:52 AM this morning, Logic, reason and common sense will always lose when in conflict with a person’s ideology.
The Hillary Fan Club here looks to be in a state of denial. The Republican and Democratic Parties created the landscape that Trump took advantage.
BTW it is the Wall Street tail that wags the economic dog. Both Parties allowed that to happen and will now pay the price.
I voted against Trump by voting for Hillary. The same for ME168 and his mother.
I guess I’m struggling with the idea that we now have to take Trump seriously and deal with him for the next four years. So, voting for someone other than Clinton or Trump did not affect the outcome of this election? I live in a strongly conservative area where all the (R) candidates won with around 80% of the vote last night. Quite a few ran unopposed. It’s hard to think that your vote means something in a reality like that. The only joy I took from last night was knowing that a judge I do not like lost for the 2nd election in a row. Small victory, though.
How do you like to go up in a swing,
Up in the air so blue?
Oh, I do think it the pleasantest thing
Ever a child can do!
Up in the air and over the wall,
Till I can see so wide,
River and trees and cattle and all
Over the countryside–
Till I look down on the garden green,
Down on the roof so brown–
Up in the air I go flying again,
Up in the air and down!
-Robert Louis Stevenson
a tad different take on things from he who said the day before: “if I don’t win, this will be the greatest waste of time, money and energy in my lifetime, by a factor of 100”
too bad some on the trail hear only lies and evil manipulation from her lips. how can these words from her speech be that?
We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America –- and I always will. And if you do, too, then we must accept this result -– and then look to the future.
Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.
Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power, and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it. It also enshrines other things –- the rule of law, the principle that we’re all equal in rights and dignity, and the freedom of worship and expression. We respect and cherish these things too — and we must defend them.
And let me add: Our constitutional democracy demands our participation, not just every four years, but all the time. So let’s do all we can to keep advancing the causes and values we all hold dear: making our economy work for everyone, not just those at the top; protecting our country and protecting our planet; and breaking down all the barriers that hold anyone back from achieving their dreams.
We’ve spent a year and a half bringing together millions of people from every corner of our country to say with one voice that we believe that the American Dream is big enough for everyone — for people of all races and religions, for men and women, for immigrants, for LGBT people, and people with disabilities.
Our responsibility as citizens is to keep doing our part to build that better, stronger, fairer America we seek. And I know you will.
[….]
And to all the little girls watching right now, never doubt that you are valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world.
Finally, I am grateful to our country for all it has given me.
I count my blessings every day that I am an American. And I still believe, as deeply as I ever have, that if we stand together and work together, with respect for our differences, strength in our convictions, and love for this nation -– our best days are still ahead of us.
You know I believe we are stronger together and will go forward together. And you should never be sorry that you fought for that.
Scripture tells us: “Let us not grow weary in doing good, for in due season, we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.”
My friends, let us have faith in each other. Let us not grow weary. Let us not lose heart. For there are more seasons to come and there is more work to do.
I am incredibly honored and grateful to have had this chance to represent all of you in this consequential election. May God bless you and god bless the United States of America.
Hillary
Blue, sorry, but you are naive if you think that Trump’s & Hillary’s positions on fracking are the same. And to put it in context you have to look at their respective positions on the extraction industries overall. Hillary believes in regulating the industries to provide a measure of safety in their activities. Trump does not. Their approaches to the industries are fundamentally different. That difference is one thing the RWNJs have right about that difference in the two major parties – Dems believe that left to their own devices industries will self regulate only to the point that it affects their bottom line, so government regulation is necessary to protect the people as a whole. Reps believe that industries will self-regulate and that the market will force them to regulate adequately. History has disproved that Rep approach time and time again. Read this and this and tell me how you think he and Hillary have positions that are even in the same galaxy. No matter – it is what we are now stuck with.
PiT, at least for me it’s more like a state of disbelief and shock. That will pass, probably into a state more of mourning than anything. I will wait and see what happens with drumpf and in the midterms. Dems gained marginally in Congress last night and trump didn’t win a majority, so talk of a mandate is overblown. It will be interesting to see what happens in 2 years. Until then I expect that there will be plenty of filibuster talk if not action to shape the new president’s agenda. My greatest concern is the change I expect to see in SCOTUS. I sincerely hope my fears about who drumpf puts on the Court and the effect thereof are unfounded. But If he puts someone in Scalia’s seat who even leans heavily in the direction of Scalia on issues before the court, I shudder to think of what happens to social issues that have been decades in the making, to those issues that are poised to come before the Court (transgender rights, rolling back gun control measures, etc.), and to basic rights that drumpf showed no regard for in the campaign (primarily the 1st amendment). I see no prospect of light being shined into the constitutional darkness.
Blue
Trump has appointed a climate change denier for transition purposes with the EPA. Get ready for a whole lot of damage being done. Just like TX with the town of Denton … frack wherever you want even if the locals don’t like it.
At least Duckworth & Hassan won Senate seats.
Good luck to all of you with president asshole.
California is seceding
“California is seceding”
The balkanization of the soon to be un-united States has begun, paving way for a neo-feudal society where the privileged few live in walled compounds with vast expanses of squalor and strife in between. It’s the norm already in most of the rest of the world, why should we be any different?
Corey – I live in a red state & as I was reminded here during the primary (when I dared to support Bernie rather than her highness), I don’t matter.
Bink – I believe we dealt with that possibility back in the 1860s. We’ll be fine if the media doesn’t keep whipping this up. The media should be ashamed of their behavior over the past year.
I’m gonna send Donald good vibes because I can do nothing more. It only benefits us if he’s actually able to improve healthcare, our crumbling infrastructure, etc.
Democrats should bring back Dr. Dean or his youthful equivilent and begin a 50 state strategy based on the Senate seats that will be up in the mid-term….concentrate on goopers. They should identify possible contenders and also make sure everyone knows what these senators are up to and how they are voting.
Trumps doesn’t give a shit about the his voters–
We just legalized recreational pot so we really don’t care what ha
Remember his first 100 days was all about term limits….does he really think congress is going to do that or any other of the lobbyist bullshit he talked about The first thing he is going to do is change the tax code to help himself and The Condoms real boss.
You act like he is going to be a different person. He’s not. People who enabled a Trump presidency should be sendng good thoughts to the rest us who will paying for this for years. And really after the Obamas after Michelle Obama the Trumps
we deserve to balkanized. And if California wants out…we can leave after all it isn’t hard to turn Brexit into Calexit. We will have our own wall
We just legalized recreational pot – so ultimately we will be in
California enjoying the diversity of out population, smoking pot, drinking wine and not watching MSNBC or any other cable network
Pogo,
The two reasons I voted against Trump were SCOTUS and the nuclear codes.
Trump has no love for the Republican Party as a lot of its members were against him. I think that the Republican Party has a lot of changes to endure.
Just like what happen with Obama in 2010, the Democrats may be able to win back the Senate and pick up more seats in the House in 2018.
The Democrats need to break their relationship with Wall Street and work for the Middle Class who has been craped on for the last 42 years by both Parties. They also need to completely change their leadership that has lost them seats in the House and Senate since 2010.
Big Street Demonstrations in NYC
PiT, SCOTUS, that ship has sailed. Now as to dem leadership, let’s say you are right and it needs to be changed, and Btw i agree. Question is who to change to. I’m open to suggestions. Got any? I really don’t.
Thousands of years.
A democratic people have elected
King Log, King Stork, King Log, King Stork again.
Because I like a wide and silent pond
I voted Log. That party was defeated.
–j Baxter
And the folks who were throwing a fit when some were saying Obama wasn’t their prez are probably some of the same ones now saying that of Trump. He won. Hoping for the best.
For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
Hosea 8:7
I’m glad patsi didn’t have to live through this nightmare.
Stand by for the whirlwind……..Bush was a draft-dodging cheerleader compared to this hammerhead…..
no one said he wasn’t president just that it is disgusting that he is
big protests across the nation
young people unhappy with the outcome
Liz in 2020 !
Flip the anti-working man congress in 2010 !
Good night, Solar.
I meant to send this along earlier :
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_fb_top
G’night Mr & Ms Cracker.