My fellow Republicans, convicting Trump is necessary to save America
Winston Churchill famously said, “Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”
All Americans, but especially my fellow Republicans, should remember this wisdom during the Senate’s trial of former president Donald Trump.
I say this as a lifelong Republican who voted to impeach Trump last month. Virtually all my colleagues on the right side of the aisle took the opposite path. Most felt it was a waste of time — political theater that distracted from bigger issues. The overwhelming majority of Senate Republicans appear to feel the same way about conviction.
But this isn’t a waste of time. It’s a matter of accountability. If the GOP doesn’t take a stand, the chaos of the past few months, and the past four years, could quickly return. The future of our party and our country depends on confronting what happened — so it doesn’t happen again.
The immediate cause for Trump’s impeachment was Jan. 6. But the president’s rally and resulting riot on Capitol Hill didn’t come out of nowhere. They were the result of four-plus years of anger, outrage and outright lies. Perhaps the most dangerous lie — or at least the most recent — was that the election was stolen. Of course it wasn’t, but a huge number of Republican leaders encouraged the belief that it was. Every time that lie was repeated, the riots of Jan. 6 became more likely.
Even now, many Republicans refuse to admit what happened. They continue to feed anger and resentment among the people. On Jan. 6, that fury led to the murder of a Capitol Police officer and the deaths of four other Americans. If that rage is still building, where does it go from here?
Impeachment offers a chance to say enough is enough. It ought to force every American, regardless of party affiliation, to remember not only what happened on Jan. 6, but also the path that led there. After all, the situation could get much, much worse — with more violence and more division that cannot be overcome. The further down this road we go, the closer we come to the end of America as we know it.
[…]
The better path is to learn the lessons of the recent past. Convicting Donald Trump is necessary to save America from going further down a sad, dangerous road.
BB, yes, a huuuggge difference. thank the glue that holds us together (as blonde wino, i think, used to say — and BTW i miss her).
The few Republicans in the Senate are still afraid of/beholden to tRUMPsky and his base.
The Q-Publican-sympathizers love him/them.
The mid-terms are coming.
Ms. Lindsey says that impeachment is not to disqualify someone (Dumbass) from holding office in the future. From the Cornell Legal Information Institute:
The plain language of section 4 seems to require removal from office upon conviction, and in fact the Senate has removed those persons whom it has convicted. In the 1936 trial of Judge Ritter, the Senate determined that removal is automatic upon conviction, and does not require a separate vote. This practice has continued. Because conviction requires a two-thirds vote, this means that removal can occur only as a result of a two-thirds vote. Unlike removal, disqualification from office is a discretionary judgment, and there is no explicit constitutional linkage to the two-thirds vote on conviction. Although an argument can be made that disqualification should nonetheless require a two-thirds vote, the Senate has determined that disqualification may be accomplished by a simple majority vote. fn 856
856. The Senate imposed disqualification twice, on Judges Humphreys and Archbald. In the Humphreys trial the Senate determined that the issues of removal and disqualification are divisible, 3 HINDS ’ PRECEDENTS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES§ 2397 (1907), and in the Archbald trial the Senate imposed judgment of disqualification by vote of 39 to 35. 6 CANNON’S PRECEDENTS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES§ 512 (1936). During the 1936 trial of Judge Ritter, a parliamentary inquiry as to whether a two-thirds vote or a simple majority vote is required for disqualification was answered by reference to the simple majority vote in the Archbald trial. 3 DESCHLER’S PRECEDENTSch. 14, § 13.10. The Senate then rejected disqualification of Judge Ritter by vote of 76–0. 80 CONG. REC. 5607 (1936).
So not only is Linsey talking out of his ass, but the Senate may be able to have its cake and eat it, too since Senate precedent suggests that conviction that does not involve removal does not require a 2/3 vote.
wonder when the political cartoonists will drop caricaturing the GOPers as fat cats, bankers and businessmen in suits and draw them as the gun-crazed knuckle-draggers, kooks, KKK and the crafty craven power hungry they are now?
patd, I would hope that shift comes soon – like, today. Would be apropos, right?
Dems can’t totally control the show in impeachment procedure votes because VP doesn’t vote in impeachment cases
sure wish they would agree to a secret ballot vote just as jurors in all other trials do.
that way they wouldn’t waste time with posturing speeches about why they’re voting yea/nay, the final tally would be public for historical (and hysterical) purposes just not the names nor party, and it may save some senators’ lives (at least cut down on hate tweets & death threats). it’s a national security issues IMHO.
Poobah, if they follow Senate precedent, Leahy can put that issue for a vote and they need only one vote to move the needle – they had 5 to proceed with impeachment, so I’m betting that with the shifting sands of public opinion moving toward support for impeachment, they just might peel off the vote they need to disqualify the Dumbass from further office.
GOP hit by Qupid’s arrow…
That Moscow Mitch. A total liar
Between Covid and the weather (High today and tomorrow in the mid teens and that is the high for the week. This weekend it is going to struggle to reach zero.)
The bitch about covid is I have the money to go but not the reckless attitude to get on the plane.
Jack
Ted Cruz must be mentally salivating. He’s sided with the violent mob, so if tRUMPsky is barred from running, those assholes are all his.
Something fun, music and science with Bobby McFerrin
If I can’t travel to it, some of it can travel to via youtube.
Jack
Jack… I know how you feel. We’re in the same boat. Hell get on a plane…. I’d settle right now for going up north to our timeshare in Lincoln NH… it’s only a 2 hr drive. We always go the first week of March… right after NH and Mass school vacations. It was the last vacation we got in last year. We’ve moved it this year to the second week in Sept…. hopefully we make it then.
The video of the mob as one long piece was horrifying. Also can’t believe any of the Senators voting against proceeding with with the trial. Talk about standing up for ignorance.
Tabrizian has a history of derogatory opinions about Western medicine. Last year, a video showed him burning Harrison’s Manual of Medicine and saying that “Islamic medicine” had made such books “irrelevant,” according to an article on the website of Radio Farda, the Iranian branch of the US-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty broadcast service.
BTW, Joe Neguse is to be congratulated on an outstanding historical recounting of the development and history of impeachment from jolly old England through the drafting of the Constitution and the application of the impeachment clause thereafter. And Raskin was extremely good.
Pogo –
Yep, They brought their “A” game.
45’s lead off lawyer is the fellow who refused to indict Bill Cosby . And man is this guy a real plug .
Next up, the man who represented Jeffrey Epstein.
Another play for the suburban women vote.
Trump’s 1st lawyer is an indication, we are going to be treated to a rambling defense without any particular focus. A lot of words, spoken eloquently, that have a loose connection to the charges against his client, but damned little. His argument on “shall not extend further than removal from office” is stupid and disingenuous.
Hint to Mr. Schoen – Dumbass lost. The Democrats are NOT trying to disenfranchise those voters – their votes were counted – and found to be 7.5 million fewer than Joe got. What bullshit.
Ahh !
The Rabid Dog …………. Put the victim on trial .
“Hello Miss America, what were you wearing on January 6th?”
Mr. Schoen –
The wounded “red meat” , served up throbbing & still beating .
This guy had a past life as an Aztec priest .
Mr. Schoen is driving home what what Putin’s poodle wants, ……….. the ability to run again.
Schoen is making embarrassingly stupid arguments about due process – considering that Dumbass was invited to testify and declined. To be clear, he is trying to apply the disclosure provisions of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure to an impeachment proceeding. How difficult is it to understand that Dumbass’ words in the months leading up to and following the election, and up to January 6, would be quoted to the nation to prove his role in inciting the January 6, 2020 acts of insurrection by the crowd he gathered on the Ellipse and directed to go to the Capitol, where they attacked the Capitol, broke in, killed one guard, injured several others, and went looking for VP Pence and the assembled MOCs to do harm to them? What of this was he or his lawyers not aware of? And it is hard to argue that if he refuses to attend that he can complain that he was not given the opportunity to respond to the single article of impeachment against him? The motion to dismiss on the basis of lack of jurisdiction in the House and Senate is lunk-headed and ridiculously vacuous.
Listening to Trump lawyer defend his due process rights. Cops Trump got killed or maimed got no rights.
“Our sacred Constitution” that trump sent a mob to undermine🙄
trump is “President” when it suits this guy’s argument, but he is a “private citizen” when it doesn’t👍
Bill of attainder? That is grasping at straws since IMPEACHMENT AND THE PENALTIES UPON CONVICTION ARE SET FORTH IN THE CONSTITUTION. Jesus H. Christ. In a Courtroom Mr. Schoen would be stopped and have that pointed out to him and asked for his argument about why the impeachment provisions should be ignored because of the Bill of Attainder language in the same document. He’d have his proverbial dick in his hand and foot in his mouth.
OMG… sorry Pogo…. that lawyer is a good example of a goddamn lawyer speaking lawyerese…
Still waiting for feverish Trump lawyer to argue his client did not incite a riot.
13:22
That video was attacked by Mr. Schoen as being a “slick Hollywood production”. He’s right , it is . And it’s worth every nickle they paid to produce it. Schoen’s problem is that the footage didn’t come from an F/X lab on the West Coast .
Now he’s arguing that Article 3 provides the due process protections appropriate for impeachment. Sorry, Bud, wrong Article of the Constitution.
Citing Ken Starr means you’re losing.
Now we see why this guy worked for Jeffrey Epstein, against 17 year-old girls.
Thuggery…. is he defending thuggery…. HA!
This hyperactive nonsensical Trump lawyer would fail in moot court.
If David Schoen was going to be his lawyer no wonder Epstein killed himself.
Funny , ………….
The opening statement started with this idea. …………….
“A professor is someone who talks , while a room full of people sleep”.
Mr. Schoen just proved that point.
i liked the part where he implied that trump should be charged criminally, instead😆
Mr. Schoen’s entire presentation was laundry basket of AM talk radio talking points.
The Blonde Wino –
Her road runner pictures here always stuck with me.
Trump lawyers so stupid today they’ve already lost another GOP vote. Cassidy of Louisiana joined Dems supporting constitutionality of Senate trial.
My Hippy Nephew –
There is an alligator farm in Colorado , in the San Luis Valley .
At over 8,000 feet above sea level.
I remember when it was first developed nearly 50 years ago, they found a hot spring source that was perfect for alligators.
My brother -in-law took a car up to him , they e-mailed back this gem.
I pose this observation –
These guys look like they are catching alligators in Norway.
This is not fake , those mountains behind them are the Sangre de Cristos North of Alamosa .
I’ve been working on a case that I’ve got a brief due in Friday but had the Castor and Schoen Show on while I’m summarizing testimony. All the comments about their rambling, pointless presentation (OK, they argued the constitutional angle with no real point (unfortunately for them the language of the 2nd clause of the Article they cite refutes their argument)) are on point. Poobah, I believe I saw Cassidy on the tube yesterday arguing that the proceeding was unconstitutional, so yeah, Dumbass’ team made hash of their argument today. Kudos to the Dem team for a pointed and powerful presentation. Go easy on Schoen – he’s not had a lot of time to get a decent argument prepared – plus he has that nasty personality of his to deal with. Love the Epstein comment at 5:03, BTW.
OM, “These guys look like they are catching alligators in Norway. ” RFLMAO
I drove through a neighborhood in West Michigan today and some house had a “Trump 2024” flag flying on the front porch.
Republican Sen. Cassidy flips: “The House managers were focused, they were organized … they made a compelling argument. President Trump’s team, they were disorganized, they did everything they could but to talk about the question at hand”
Sen. Bill Cassidy (La.), the only Republican senator to switch his vote Tuesday to support moving forward with Trump’s impeachment trial, criticized the meandering opening statements by Trump’s attorney as confusing and nonsensical.
“It was disorganized, random,” Cassidy told reporters after Tuesday’s proceedings. “[Trump’s lawyers] talked about many things but didn’t talk about the issue at hand. … The issue at hand, is it constitutional to impeach a president who’s left office? And the House managers made a compelling, cogent case, and the president’s team did not.” (…)
Cassidy saw the same presentations I heard.
The BBFF –
I came up with this over a decade ago it never popped on the web . I was dealing with the climate deniers back then .
“The Butt Based Fact File , …………….. You reach around , and pull that crap out of your ass.”
The entire Climate “Debate”, was a template for the future of the GOP. Then they found Obama’s birth . And we were off to the races. In both cases the BBFF worked , it ginned up the base.
They had found Gobble’s secret , ……………… “Tell a really Big Lie”, and say it over and over.
Gobbles didn’t invent this , a lot of the credit goes to the “Daughters of the Confederacy”.
They invented , the “Gone With the Wind” myth, which is the last of the last gasp of “The Lost Cause” movement that put up all those statues of traitors, at the end of the 19th century.
Which I detest.
There was nothing romantic about selling human beings naked on the block , like horses. They inspected the slaves teeth.
The happy mammy goes into the ash heap of history with scalping Indians .
Hollywood gave that happy mammy an Oscar , and turned her into a syrup bottle.
The BBFF
Hey, Old Man. Here’s something for you. Norway’s conversion to mostly electric cars within the last decade. It’s a pretty cool story, and, it has a tie-in to one of the most innovative music videos of the ‘80s.
“I am deeply disappointed in former President Trump. He was not honorable. He let a lot of peaceful people down. I have to leave judging him up to other people,” said Chansley.
He also said his time in jail has allowed him to start to reanalyze his life. He said there was a lot that happened leading up to Jan. 6, and explained that he is trying to focus on what is important at this time, which is apologizing.
“Please be patient with me and other peaceful people who, like me, are having a very difficult time piecing together all that happened to us, around us, and by us. We are good people who care deeply about our country,” said Chansley.
Yes, be patient with him. OMG, the privilege. So sick of this shit. Yes and he’s fed organic. If he was brown or black, Muslim hed most likely be dead. This country is sick indeed.
Alondra Carmona, a senior in high school, recently got accepted to Barnard College, a highly-rated Ivy League liberal arts college for women.
Her mom was injured last year, making it difficult for her to work. She lost her job three months ago, but kept that news from her daughter, whom she is raising alone.Carmona recently discovered that her mom had lost her job, was behind on rent, and might soon be evicted.”In February of 2020, my mom broke her ankle and was not able to work,” explained Carmona on a GoFundMe page she created to help her family. “Come March, the coronavirus started, which added to the financial problems we already had … She owes two months of rent and will most likely get evicted in March.”Carmona said she’s using all of the money she saved for her college tuition to support her mom, a move that could potentially stifle her life-long dream.
“As much as I dream of going to Barnard College, it is not looking promising right now,” wrote Carmona. “I am turning to GoFundMe as a last resort, because Barnard will not be able to change my financial aid package.”Carmona said she has wanted to attend Barnard College since she was 15 and said she was raised in a single-parent household, witnessing her mom work to pay rent. The teen said she completed a six-week research internship for cervical cancer at Rice University and hopes to pursue a career in science and research.
Maybe it was supposed to be uplifting but this is a tradegy.
“i liked the part where he implied that trump should be charged criminally, instead”
bink, me too. he actually used the word “indictment” as the proper way to go and i have a feeling he really meant it, no wonder his client reportedly is very angry with his new se of lawyers. wouldn’t be surprised if he fires them by morning.
pogo, that’s the reason he mentioned article III — let the courts be the judges instead.
American history 101 –
During the American Civil War the Union Army laid over 15,000 miles of railroad tracks . Not all of it was new , much of it was replacing old rails with better rails .
The South never laid one foot.
The North had adopted the standard gauge , which is based on width on a Roman cart’s wheel width. 52,5 inches.
As Sherman a marched on Atlanta , the largest rail hub of South . There were 3 different rail gauges feedings that hub.
That meant that every boxcar in the yard had to be unloaded , and hauled by slaves to the next railroad boxcar.
This a key point !
Slave labor let them be stupid, without a cost . Like our Capital , slaves raised that building.
Cocooned at his Mar-a-Lago estate, Trump watched as his defense attorneys responded to an emotional presentation by House impeachment managers with a series of dry, technical and at times meandering arguments about due process and the constitutionality of the proceedings. As they droned on, he grew increasingly frustrated with the sharp contrast between their muted response and the prosecution’s opening salvo, according to two people familiar with his thinking.
“President Trump was not happy with the performance of his legal team in action,” said one of the people familiar with his thinking.
It didn’t help that his lead attorney, former Pennsylvania prosecutor Bruce Castor, name-checked Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), who just days ago slammed his state party for their “weird worship” of Trump. Castor also referred to Trump as the “former president,” conceding that he had in fact lost the 2020 election when he was removed by “smart” voters last November.
[continues]
Jamie, What a great find! They’re playing American, 80’s rock in Viborg, Denmark.
The Polar Vortex is about swallow us , Saturday night 7 degrees.
There are two homeless guys that a car lot at 50th and Q does not chase off .
I’m going to buy them a motel room for 2 days tomorrow . And a hand full of quarters, and soap. They will not make it exposed to what is coming.
Oh, I found a news radio station near our office in Scotland. They are hammering Boris Johnson’s campaign trip to Scotland. Politics before public health. Well, it’s been nice knowing y’all. This will be my new obsession. Ha!
OM & TT, Wrap up tight. Here comes the damned, jet stream.
Jamie, If you go to Dalkeith, Scotland right now there is a show airing Scottish reels.
… when he leaves office you arrest him…
Well, OK. Let’s do that. Idiot.
Just to have a chance to be warm , clean, and a bed to sleep.
If one sinks to this , you have know idea how a simple shower
feels.
Hmmm, ya know the two aren’t mutually exclusive, we can impeach him and arrest him.
BTW my favorite comment today “The more I watch the more I’m beginning to understand why Trump never pays his lawyers”
Jack
Seaside FM in Eastern Passage, Canada plays old, LPs. At least I think I hear a little hissing and popping. Love this!
MAGA –
The amount of hungry kids in America has doubled in the last year 14% to 28%.
Wait for the coal mining job numbers.
It’s one thing to be a homeless drunk, and be homeless .
It’s another matter to be working 3 jobs with 3 kids , and pull off the same hat trick.
Well, there ya have it. trumpity’s lawyers even confirmed that he LOST the race. H won’t pay them, not that he ever pays anyone.
And still the repubes will NOT vote to convict.
I’m writing to my senators. Ha. This is Tejas. LOLOL
And still the covid vaccine is a big SNAFU here.
The first light of electric light –
1878
Centuries over lap by decades .
Before and after.
The future blooms , and none see it, the past hangs on and everybody is clueless .
Yep, TT, the vaccine rollout is a total mess.
Everyday the local news verifies how horrible the vaccine availability is around here. They like to send ya on a wild goose hunt registering with every other city or pharmacy, etc.
In many ways, Trump’s former world is crumbling around him. President Biden handily defeated him in November. His Florida neighbors are trying to ban him from living at Mar-a-Lago where, after leaving office, he lost the special permit to have a helicopter pad. Buildings emblazoned with his name are trying to remove their Trump insignia, the PGA of America pulled its 2022 championship from one of Trump’s golf clubs and the lobby of the former president’s namesake Washington hotel now sits conspicuously empty just five blocks from the White House.
Now out of office, Trump has also lost his protective press pool — the captive audience of reporters that follows a sitting president nearly everywhere — and Biden has made clear that he does not plan to extend the courtesy of intelligence briefings to Trump, citing him as an intelligence risk. According to a Post-ABC poll conducted after the Jan. 6 attack, 38 percent of Americans said they approved of Trump’s handling of the presidency — the lowest measurement in Post-ABC polling for Trump since fall 2019.
…
“He’s still licking his wounds to some extent, and he’s also waiting for this to be behind him,” said one Republican in Trump’s orbit, adding dryly, “and then he’ll relaunch himself as the savior of the Republican Party.”
Mike DuHaime, a Republican consultant who worked for former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, said that while Trump “remains very influential within the party,” his influence has dissipated from even two months ago and is likely to further erode over time.
Fork, done. Bet it’s hard to get that taste out of his mouth.
Asshat.
Seems Rafael Cruz has fixed it so ya can’t contact him on one of those information forms on his web site rather than an e-mail address.
The biggest difference between last year and this year is the Dems are running the show.
op ed by goper rep. kinzinger in wapo:
BB, yes, a huuuggge difference. thank the glue that holds us together (as blonde wino, i think, used to say — and BTW i miss her).
The few Republicans in the Senate are still afraid of/beholden to tRUMPsky and his base.
The Q-Publican-sympathizers love him/them.
The mid-terms are coming.
Ms. Lindsey says that impeachment is not to disqualify someone (Dumbass) from holding office in the future. From the Cornell Legal Information Institute:
So not only is Linsey talking out of his ass, but the Senate may be able to have its cake and eat it, too since Senate precedent suggests that conviction that does not involve removal does not require a 2/3 vote.
wonder when the political cartoonists will drop caricaturing the GOPers as fat cats, bankers and businessmen in suits and draw them as the gun-crazed knuckle-draggers, kooks, KKK and the crafty craven power hungry they are now?
patd, I would hope that shift comes soon – like, today. Would be apropos, right?
Dems can’t totally control the show in impeachment procedure votes because VP doesn’t vote in impeachment cases
Mary Wilson, Motown Legend and Co-Founder of the Supremes, Dies at 76
sure wish they would agree to a secret ballot vote just as jurors in all other trials do.
that way they wouldn’t waste time with posturing speeches about why they’re voting yea/nay, the final tally would be public for historical (and hysterical) purposes just not the names nor party, and it may save some senators’ lives (at least cut down on hate tweets & death threats). it’s a national security issues IMHO.
Poobah, if they follow Senate precedent, Leahy can put that issue for a vote and they need only one vote to move the needle – they had 5 to proceed with impeachment, so I’m betting that with the shifting sands of public opinion moving toward support for impeachment, they just might peel off the vote they need to disqualify the Dumbass from further office.
GOP hit by Qupid’s arrow…
That Moscow Mitch. A total liar
Between Covid and the weather (High today and tomorrow in the mid teens and that is the high for the week. This weekend it is going to struggle to reach zero.)
The bitch about covid is I have the money to go but not the reckless attitude to get on the plane.
Jack
Ted Cruz must be mentally salivating. He’s sided with the violent mob, so if tRUMPsky is barred from running, those assholes are all his.
Something fun, music and science with Bobby McFerrin
If I can’t travel to it, some of it can travel to via youtube.
Jack
Jack… I know how you feel. We’re in the same boat. Hell get on a plane…. I’d settle right now for going up north to our timeshare in Lincoln NH… it’s only a 2 hr drive. We always go the first week of March… right after NH and Mass school vacations. It was the last vacation we got in last year. We’ve moved it this year to the second week in Sept…. hopefully we make it then.
The video of the mob as one long piece was horrifying. Also can’t believe any of the Senators voting against proceeding with with the trial. Talk about standing up for ignorance.
“The torture never stops” ………… Frank Zappa
Covid vaccine makes you homosexual, says Iranian cleric
Iranian Ayatollah Abbas Tabrizian offers one more good reason to make sure you’ve gotten your jab: “Don’t go near those who have had the COVID vaccine. They have become homosexuals.”
Tabrizian is evidently an object of general ridicule in Iran, but has the backing of the state.
BTW, Joe Neguse is to be congratulated on an outstanding historical recounting of the development and history of impeachment from jolly old England through the drafting of the Constitution and the application of the impeachment clause thereafter. And Raskin was extremely good.
Pogo –
Yep, They brought their “A” game.
45’s lead off lawyer is the fellow who refused to indict Bill Cosby . And man is this guy a real plug .
Next up, the man who represented Jeffrey Epstein.
Another play for the suburban women vote.
Trump’s 1st lawyer is an indication, we are going to be treated to a rambling defense without any particular focus. A lot of words, spoken eloquently, that have a loose connection to the charges against his client, but damned little. His argument on “shall not extend further than removal from office” is stupid and disingenuous.
Another Powder River Basin coal mine will close down
Feb 9, 2021
https://trib.com/business/energy/another-powder-river-basin-coal-mine-will-close-down/article_f314cdac-e1ac-5f9f-8e9b-6340f5cf369b.html
Hint to Mr. Schoen – Dumbass lost. The Democrats are NOT trying to disenfranchise those voters – their votes were counted – and found to be 7.5 million fewer than Joe got. What bullshit.
Ahh !
The Rabid Dog …………. Put the victim on trial .
“Hello Miss America, what were you wearing on January 6th?”
Mr. Schoen –
The wounded “red meat” , served up throbbing & still beating .
This guy had a past life as an Aztec priest .
Mr. Schoen is driving home what what Putin’s poodle wants, ……….. the ability to run again.
Editor’s Note: The video below contains explicit language and violence.
https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates/2021/02/09/965903736/graphic-video-of-capitol-insurrection-opens-trumps-impeachment-trial
Schoen is making embarrassingly stupid arguments about due process – considering that Dumbass was invited to testify and declined. To be clear, he is trying to apply the disclosure provisions of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure to an impeachment proceeding. How difficult is it to understand that Dumbass’ words in the months leading up to and following the election, and up to January 6, would be quoted to the nation to prove his role in inciting the January 6, 2020 acts of insurrection by the crowd he gathered on the Ellipse and directed to go to the Capitol, where they attacked the Capitol, broke in, killed one guard, injured several others, and went looking for VP Pence and the assembled MOCs to do harm to them? What of this was he or his lawyers not aware of? And it is hard to argue that if he refuses to attend that he can complain that he was not given the opportunity to respond to the single article of impeachment against him? The motion to dismiss on the basis of lack of jurisdiction in the House and Senate is lunk-headed and ridiculously vacuous.
Listening to Trump lawyer defend his due process rights. Cops Trump got killed or maimed got no rights.
“Our sacred Constitution” that trump sent a mob to undermine🙄
trump is “President” when it suits this guy’s argument, but he is a “private citizen” when it doesn’t👍
Bill of attainder? That is grasping at straws since IMPEACHMENT AND THE PENALTIES UPON CONVICTION ARE SET FORTH IN THE CONSTITUTION. Jesus H. Christ. In a Courtroom Mr. Schoen would be stopped and have that pointed out to him and asked for his argument about why the impeachment provisions should be ignored because of the Bill of Attainder language in the same document. He’d have his proverbial dick in his hand and foot in his mouth.
OMG… sorry Pogo…. that lawyer is a good example of a goddamn lawyer speaking lawyerese…
Still waiting for feverish Trump lawyer to argue his client did not incite a riot.
13:22
That video was attacked by Mr. Schoen as being a “slick Hollywood production”. He’s right , it is . And it’s worth every nickle they paid to produce it. Schoen’s problem is that the footage didn’t come from an F/X lab on the West Coast .
Now he’s arguing that Article 3 provides the due process protections appropriate for impeachment. Sorry, Bud, wrong Article of the Constitution.
Citing Ken Starr means you’re losing.
Now we see why this guy worked for Jeffrey Epstein, against 17 year-old girls.
Thuggery…. is he defending thuggery…. HA!
This hyperactive nonsensical Trump lawyer would fail in moot court.
If David Schoen was going to be his lawyer no wonder Epstein killed himself.
Funny , ………….
The opening statement started with this idea. …………….
“A professor is someone who talks , while a room full of people sleep”.
Mr. Schoen just proved that point.
i liked the part where he implied that trump should be charged criminally, instead😆
Mr. Schoen’s entire presentation was laundry basket of AM talk radio talking points.
The Blonde Wino –
Her road runner pictures here always stuck with me.
Trump lawyers so stupid today they’ve already lost another GOP vote. Cassidy of Louisiana joined Dems supporting constitutionality of Senate trial.
My Hippy Nephew –
There is an alligator farm in Colorado , in the San Luis Valley .
At over 8,000 feet above sea level.
I remember when it was first developed nearly 50 years ago, they found a hot spring source that was perfect for alligators.
My brother -in-law took a car up to him , they e-mailed back this gem.
I pose this observation –
These guys look like they are catching alligators in Norway.
This is not fake , those mountains behind them are the Sangre de Cristos North of Alamosa .
I’ve been working on a case that I’ve got a brief due in Friday but had the Castor and Schoen Show on while I’m summarizing testimony. All the comments about their rambling, pointless presentation (OK, they argued the constitutional angle with no real point (unfortunately for them the language of the 2nd clause of the Article they cite refutes their argument)) are on point. Poobah, I believe I saw Cassidy on the tube yesterday arguing that the proceeding was unconstitutional, so yeah, Dumbass’ team made hash of their argument today. Kudos to the Dem team for a pointed and powerful presentation. Go easy on Schoen – he’s not had a lot of time to get a decent argument prepared – plus he has that nasty personality of his to deal with. Love the Epstein comment at 5:03, BTW.
OM, “These guys look like they are catching alligators in Norway. ” RFLMAO
I drove through a neighborhood in West Michigan today and some house had a “Trump 2024” flag flying on the front porch.
Republican Sen. Cassidy flips: “The House managers were focused, they were organized … they made a compelling argument. President Trump’s team, they were disorganized, they did everything they could but to talk about the question at hand”
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2021/02/09/mike-shirkey-insurrection-hoax-trump/4455506001/
The country had a good day today.
Pleading with lunatics , and those who couldn’t get a date to the prom is a fruitless endeavor.
BW is active on Twitter. Mother Nature Strikes Back
From Wapo:
Cassidy saw the same presentations I heard.
The BBFF –
I came up with this over a decade ago it never popped on the web . I was dealing with the climate deniers back then .
“The Butt Based Fact File , …………….. You reach around , and pull that crap out of your ass.”
The entire Climate “Debate”, was a template for the future of the GOP. Then they found Obama’s birth . And we were off to the races. In both cases the BBFF worked , it ginned up the base.
They had found Gobble’s secret , ……………… “Tell a really Big Lie”, and say it over and over.
Gobbles didn’t invent this , a lot of the credit goes to the “Daughters of the Confederacy”.
They invented , the “Gone With the Wind” myth, which is the last of the last gasp of “The Lost Cause” movement that put up all those statues of traitors, at the end of the 19th century.
Which I detest.
There was nothing romantic about selling human beings naked on the block , like horses. They inspected the slaves teeth.
The happy mammy goes into the ash heap of history with scalping Indians .
Hollywood gave that happy mammy an Oscar , and turned her into a syrup bottle.
The BBFF
https://reasonstobecheerful.world/norway-gm-electric-cars-morten-harket/
Hey, Old Man. Here’s something for you. Norway’s conversion to mostly electric cars within the last decade. It’s a pretty cool story, and, it has a tie-in to one of the most innovative music videos of the ‘80s.
Yes, be patient with him. OMG, the privilege. So sick of this shit. Yes and he’s fed organic. If he was brown or black, Muslim hed most likely be dead. This country is sick indeed.
Alondra Carmona, a senior in high school, recently got accepted to Barnard College, a highly-rated Ivy League liberal arts college for women.
Her mom was injured last year, making it difficult for her to work. She lost her job three months ago, but kept that news from her daughter, whom she is raising alone.Carmona recently discovered that her mom had lost her job, was behind on rent, and might soon be evicted.”In February of 2020, my mom broke her ankle and was not able to work,” explained Carmona on a GoFundMe page she created to help her family. “Come March, the coronavirus started, which added to the financial problems we already had … She owes two months of rent and will most likely get evicted in March.”Carmona said she’s using all of the money she saved for her college tuition to support her mom, a move that could potentially stifle her life-long dream.
“As much as I dream of going to Barnard College, it is not looking promising right now,” wrote Carmona. “I am turning to GoFundMe as a last resort, because Barnard will not be able to change my financial aid package.”Carmona said she has wanted to attend Barnard College since she was 15 and said she was raised in a single-parent household, witnessing her mom work to pay rent. The teen said she completed a six-week research internship for cervical cancer at Rice University and hopes to pursue a career in science and research.
Maybe it was supposed to be uplifting but this is a tradegy.
“i liked the part where he implied that trump should be charged criminally, instead”
bink, me too. he actually used the word “indictment” as the proper way to go and i have a feeling he really meant it, no wonder his client reportedly is very angry with his new se of lawyers. wouldn’t be surprised if he fires them by morning.
pogo, that’s the reason he mentioned article III — let the courts be the judges instead.
American history 101 –
During the American Civil War the Union Army laid over 15,000 miles of railroad tracks . Not all of it was new , much of it was replacing old rails with better rails .
The South never laid one foot.
The North had adopted the standard gauge , which is based on width on a Roman cart’s wheel width. 52,5 inches.
As Sherman a marched on Atlanta , the largest rail hub of South . There were 3 different rail gauges feedings that hub.
That meant that every boxcar in the yard had to be unloaded , and hauled by slaves to the next railroad boxcar.
This a key point !
Slave labor let them be stupid, without a cost . Like our Capital , slaves raised that building.
This is a WOW!! thing to play with.
Radio Garden – Gairloch
I stopped on the above station in Scotland because that’s the city I stayed a decade plus ago, but the map will go to any country you want.
Stupid has a very big price .
And everyday that price goes up.
politico:
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Jamie, What a great find! They’re playing American, 80’s rock in Viborg, Denmark.
The Polar Vortex is about swallow us , Saturday night 7 degrees.
There are two homeless guys that a car lot at 50th and Q does not chase off .
I’m going to buy them a motel room for 2 days tomorrow . And a hand full of quarters, and soap. They will not make it exposed to what is coming.
Oh, I found a news radio station near our office in Scotland. They are hammering Boris Johnson’s campaign trip to Scotland. Politics before public health. Well, it’s been nice knowing y’all. This will be my new obsession. Ha!
OM & TT, Wrap up tight. Here comes the damned, jet stream.
Jamie, If you go to Dalkeith, Scotland right now there is a show airing Scottish reels.
… when he leaves office you arrest him…
Well, OK. Let’s do that. Idiot.
Just to have a chance to be warm , clean, and a bed to sleep.
If one sinks to this , you have know idea how a simple shower
feels.
Hmmm, ya know the two aren’t mutually exclusive, we can impeach him and arrest him.
BTW my favorite comment today “The more I watch the more I’m beginning to understand why Trump never pays his lawyers”
Jack
Seaside FM in Eastern Passage, Canada plays old, LPs. At least I think I hear a little hissing and popping. Love this!
MAGA –
The amount of hungry kids in America has doubled in the last year 14% to 28%.
Wait for the coal mining job numbers.
It’s one thing to be a homeless drunk, and be homeless .
It’s another matter to be working 3 jobs with 3 kids , and pull off the same hat trick.
Well, there ya have it. trumpity’s lawyers even confirmed that he LOST the race. H won’t pay them, not that he ever pays anyone.
And still the repubes will NOT vote to convict.
I’m writing to my senators. Ha. This is Tejas. LOLOL
And still the covid vaccine is a big SNAFU here.
The first light of electric light –
1878
Centuries over lap by decades .
Before and after.
The future blooms , and none see it, the past hangs on and everybody is clueless .
Yep, TT, the vaccine rollout is a total mess.
Everyday the local news verifies how horrible the vaccine availability is around here. They like to send ya on a wild goose hunt registering with every other city or pharmacy, etc.
Incompetency here is deep and rampant.
LOFL. WaPo:
Fork, done. Bet it’s hard to get that taste out of his mouth.
Asshat.
Seems Rafael Cruz has fixed it so ya can’t contact him on one of those information forms on his web site rather than an e-mail address.
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