Jan 6 Committee Falls Short

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Yesterday’s hearing did not show the direct connection between rioters and Trump world as advertised. Some circumstance, maybe, but nothing provable. Still, they have wiped out the narrative that rioters just “got out of hand” on their own, demonstrating Trump had to know what was going to happen. If all these hearings accomplish is lowering the ceiling of support for Trump 2024 I’ll take it.

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  1. “falls short” ???

    hell, they’re heads above anything else we’ve EVER seen in congressional hearings!

     

    as tolstoy wrote: “if you look for perfection, you’ll never be content.”

    [throwing shade on uncle joe for not achieving the perfect also comes to mind with that discontent quote]

     

     

  2.  like the committee’s progress, though not perfect Webb’s images are still inspiring and show great progress making the unknown known.  

    NASA released a full batch of images and data from the massive James Webb Space Telescope that provides a first look at cosmic mysteries yet to be untangled. NBC News’ Tom Llamas is joined by America’s top astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson to analyze what these images mean for the future of space exploration.

  3. speaking of uncle joe, Horsey yesterday had a good op ed

    Biden is talking but no one is listening | The Seattle Times

    […]
    Biden gives speeches. He proposes new policies. He travels the country. He heads abroad. He does all the things presidents normally do. But, like a tree falling in the forest, no one hears him because the celebrity-and-scandal-driven American media are busy chattering about more compelling things, while the American public, to the extent attention is being paid at all, is divided into distinct ideological echo chambers where they hear only what they want to hear.
    If Biden’s age is a detriment, it may be because his old-style communications skills were honed in a media world that no longer exists.

  4. A reprise of necessaries:

    Slogged thru ‘Biden’s Worst Day Ever’ poll story. Took 17 grafs to get to the nugget that 92% of dems would stick by Biden if he ran. Graf 23 includes the number of people polled:   849.  “—R  Schrambling

    History matters. When an incumbent POTUS has chosen not to run,like 1968, the other party has won. When an incumbent has been challenged, as in 1980, the other party has won. If you want a 2024 GOP presidency, keep talking Biden not running or other Dems challenging him.
    It’s inexplicable to me why folks are talking 2024 when we are in the midst of critical midterms. That talk actually suppresses voting. And Democrats need to hang onto the Senate and House.
    —V Brownworth

  6. How did they “fall short”?  Everything pointed to Orange Adolf and his goons summoning the mob to DC on J/6.

    They didn’t just decide to go on their own. (Where did the funding for travel and lodging come from?)

    They didn’t just organically move toward the hill. They knew ahead of time, and, then he explicitly told them that’s where they were headed at the end of the rally.

    And, as was established last week, he knew they were armed and were not there to hurt him.

     
    I want to hear more about Michael Flynn and his connection to these groups.  Every time his name pops up or they show his testimony, talk about a bad actor. 

    I wonder what witness the mob boss tried to get to this time?   When is the next hearing?

  7. The sword of Damocles still hangs over the Flynn bros, Ginni and Clarence Thomas, Lindsay Graham, and a large number of republican elected jerks.  That string looks frayed.

  8. I was hoping to see ties between far right groups and Trumpsters like Roger Stone, as some committee members hinted they would show. Guess I’m spoiled. Yesterday’s hearing not so blockbuster as the others.

  11. – 12/19 Dumbass tweets “come to DC 1/6, will March to Capitol, will be wild” (paraphrased)

    – 12/20 Ahole Jones and other RW media influencers spread the message “come to DC 1/6, will March to Capitol, will be wild” 

    – 12/20-1/5 RW groups spread the message “come to DC 1/6, will March to Capitol, will be wild” and up the ante “ bring knuckles and spray, whatever it takes” (paraphrased) mobilize 3 top RWWN guerrilla groups, cache weapons outside DC, plan tactics to attack Capitol, go to DC

    1/6 – Dumbass gathers the ^ groups and his run of the mill flock, is told they have weapons, dismisses danger to himself, sends them up to the Capitol. Plans are implemented. Trump revels in the violence and threats of danger to Congress, death to VP, does nothing to disperse his followers for 2 1/2 hours.  Capitol is breached, vote elector certification delayed. Plan ultimately fails.

    Falls short? Dots, lines and links.

  13. Pogo, All good fodder for conviction in the court of public opinion, which I’ll take if all we can get, but I don’t see proof of a meeting of the minds for a conspiracy charge in court. A good defense attorney can explain away what “wild” meant and the witness who says he knew they were armed hasn’t been cross-examined.

  14. craig, as some TV legal wag pointed out this morning the conspiracy element needed is met by his 1 a.m. tweet immediately after the unhinged WH meeting plus the special counsel “appointment” of the deranged lady lawyer.

    p.s. remember the committee hearing is not a trial, prosecuting and putting on a case before a jury with all the trimmings is up to the AG.

  16. I’m thinking that most times a candidate is known by their first name or nickname they win easily.

    Go Beto.    

    Might be hogwash, but it’s a hogwash which appeals to my sensibilities, such as they are.

  17. Call and echo from WH tweet on down suggests meeting of the minds to me. Trump, Jones, Bannon, leaders of PBS, 3%ers, OKers – message passed from the top on down. The medium is the internet. 

  18. If they may have left a stone or two unturned in this last hearing I feel certain they plan to use those stones in the next hearing which, from all indications, promises to be a Cracker Jack and Jim Dandy of a Doozy. 
    They’re puttin’ asses in the seats.

  19. Haha…..I’ve heard this forever and always just assumed it was by one of those grand poet fellers, and I even read this book.   (An extremely nice book which happened to have been Book of the Month on this day in March 1986. )

    Two men looked out from prison bars,One saw the mud, the other saw stars.

    Dale Carnegie, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

  20. 18 USC 2384 – Seditious conspiracy
    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
     
    Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement’s goal.  Most U.S. jurisdictions also require an overt act toward furthering the agreement.  An overt act is a statutory requirement, not a constitutional one. (Cornell Law School Legal Information Institute)
     
    I repeatedly say I’m no criminal attorney – either prosecution or defense – but I think every element of 18 USC 2384 is met.  Remember in 1948 there was no internet, no IMs, emails or tweets and even TV was no great shakes. The electronic age IMHO has changed how 2 or more people indicate an agreement.

  21. You have to figger lots of stuff but one thing I bet you can hang your hat on is that:
    1.  Liz Cheney has got the goods.
    2. Liz Cheney is, at this
    pernt, incapable of mercy. 
    No, she’s not a hero,!but she IS a crocodile currently just gnawin’ on his ass. 

  22. Pogo, I prefer 2823: Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    No burden to prove conspiracy and it bars holding future office, which 2824 does not

  23. I watched…  I was riveted.
    All I want from this is that trump can no longer run for office.  
    On my wish list…  Flynn stripped of his rank and pension.  Giuliani and Powell stripped of their law licenses. 

  24. Also… I know 2 people in my little town that voted for trump in 2016 and 2020 that have told me after watching some of these hearings, they will never vote for him again.  I even had one tell me that she is seriously considering voting for the Democratic candidate for prez next election.
     
    These hearing are penetrating some republican minds…

  25. renee, ditto on the wish list on the inability to run, the loss of the licenses and pension

    but please add on a certain amount of reimbursement to fed & state gov’ts, payment of damages to the injured and forfeiture of property via the rico act.

  30. Oy Losertrump may not be criminally liable. Although I think he is.  But he is guilty of creating the situation we find ourselves in. He clearly needs public humiliation in large amounts.   I think we should be  able to provide that. 
    Biden’s poll numbers are bad.  I don’t think he should be replaced on merit but the politics are not good.
    He does not have a good reputation on choice.
    Certainly the idea that he was going to appoint  an anti- choice judge to anything didn’t help.
    When I hear him speak I don’t hear anything but blah blah blah
    ’ 
     

  31. Poobah, 2823 is definitely a lower bar and the penalties are up the right alley.  I’d say any ambitious AUSA in the DC US Attorney Office who wants to wade in against Dumbass has him dead to rights on that one. Only would have to convince Matt Graves it is worth the shot.

  36. Frankly, the exposure of the roles of all the coup-plotting mid-level lieutenants, such as the Please Pardon Me 10, is just as important as drawing a direct line to the head of the snake
     
    So, i’d say the hearings have been successful in that regard

  37. I think slave owners should have gotten reparations.  Just as today any business that was closed by a government order due to covid should be reimbursed.
    When public policy changes then some thought and support needs to be given to those adversely impacted.
    Owning slaves was never right but it was legal.
     

  39. When they listed Louis Gohmert, Gym Jordan, and MGT yesterday, it just gave me hope that they will all be rolled up in this mess and go away forever.  

    For those candidates, like the ex, half-governor of Alaska, still bathing in Adolf’s orange glow as at their own rallies, I hope it bites them in the backside very soon. For Oz, I think distancing himself from the wanna-be dictator was so jarring and disingenuous, that it hurt his chances anyway. Go, Fetterman!

  40. Craig, KGC

    About $400 per slave.  The freed slaves OTOH never did get their 40 acres and mule, were shut out of the western expansion and following WWII couldn’t collect VA loans because the places they could buy were all redlined and VA didn’t cover them.

     

     

  41. Craig,

    I took that Harvard test.  I had predicted it would show me 50/50 on racial preference.  It actually came out with slight preference for African Americans.  Guess those 21 schools in 12 years with exposure to all racial makeups paid off.

     

     

  42. Poob, too much criminal law and procedure for me. Litman, who knows shit, is talking about it now. That’s one smart sumbitch. And Asha Rangappa (sorry – I’m sure I’ve mangled her name). She seems like one of the pretty, smart women who pissed us run of the mill stoontz off in law school.

  43. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/politics/lindsey-graham-georgia-subpoena/index.html

    “In Graham’s filing to block the subpoena, his attorneys said the senator’s calls to Georgia officials were legislative activity and that his activities are protected under the Constitution’s speech and debate clause.”

    If it was all above board, then why not just go with it, Lindsey?

    “The Witness also made reference to allegations of widespread voter fraud in the November 2020 election in Georgia, consistent with public statements made by known affiliates of the Trump Campaign.”

  45. Moon just rose here. Kinda big, kinda yellow. Pretty, but not gobsmacking. Don’t oversell stuff. 

  47. Of course I’m an old fart, but I don’t hold age against Joe. He’s less than 10 years older than I am. Dumbass is what, 3, get it, 3 years younger, and at least 20 iq points lower than Joe. I’m not an ageist, I’m an idiotist. I discriminate against idiots who want to be president of my country. I don’t want idiots as my president.

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