“If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly.”
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The best tweet yesterday was “President Reagan was surrounded by Secret Service agents when he was shot”.
You do not go up against a combat rifle with a hand gun, even if it is a Clint Eastwood .357 Magnum and all bright and shiny, if you want to take down the gunman AND survive. It is idiotic to believe that a teacher is going to wear a side arm while teaching children and instantly jump into action and track down and kill a gunman. Even the best, very highly trained physically fit soldiers or police, have problems doing it. There is a reason to use grenades and explosives when clearing a building of bad guys. You cannot do that in a school.
Awaiting the morning glory here…Scott Israel vs. trumperdoo who insecurely hugged himself throughout his ‘listening’ session yesterday while devos had a plastered smile on her face showing her pleasure in victim suffering. Israel was dynamic at the CNN townhall.
For the record, I have never felt high school students were all ‘children.’ The older teens are becoming young adults and until their brains fully develop into their twenties? They can articulate and demand attention…unlike elementary school children and counties with sheriffs who walk in lock step with the nra and the trumpence junta. Shootings occur and we move-on without a notice to the causes because we believe in the 2nd amendment…what about the rest of the amendments?
One more thought, trump, the nra and the repugs have set mental illness treatment and awareness back to the 1950’s, period.
patD- Interesting. Â So, if Guns&Ammo-R-Us bought critterz in the past to give them legal cover, then the individuals (CEOs & other execs) need to be hounded in the media. Â Who are they? Make it so uncomfortable for them…not bullying, but confronting them with the horrors that the Parkland teens & the Sandy Hook first-graders had to endure. They are in the industry of killing people, for the most part. Do they see that? Who are these people who donât think supplying killing machines to armies around the world is enough? By the way, the assault rifles are being sold to no-good-niks on the web to do harm overseas, too. Do any of them really understand that fact?
Could someone from another country sue US gun manufacturers?
Dear Repugz, There will be pushback at the polls this year. And in years to come, these kids will be the office-holders and you and your hateful, fearmongering, and inhumane ideas will be extinct. Tell that to your NRA & Russkie & BigPharma & oil overlords…
When a Bernie supporter gunned down the congressman at their baseball practice? Everyone demanded that Sanders address the shooter’s actions as the shooter was a supporter. When the young deplorable in Florida wearing a maga hat makes a youtube about killing, shoots-up the school? trump is not held to the same standard.  Perhaps we need to address how white supremacist groups, even groups like isis, attract mentally unstable humans who like guns and killing. It seems in this country, they have become fake soldiers in trump’s war on civilians who do not support the junta. I look at the vid that nra’s dana made last year…inciting violence (gun sales) over disloyalty to trump.
steve king wanted a war with the opposition party after the baseball shooting. king on a rant about dems being the evil, not guns, not mental illness. Purely insane.
BB…thanks for the clint eastwood reminder…remember when the old coot talked to a chair on stage at the rnc convention in 2012? He wants a mulligan!
Speaking of mulligans…the passing of Billy Graham reminded me that billy was caught on tape with nixon dissing the Jewish community.  Billy was the granddaddy of the evangelical movement and his son franklin continues to march to the right side of all moral issues.
I hereby change FL gov scott’s first name to dick scott. It is a more appropriate moniker.
gov dick scott didn’t even show up at the town hall, but marco rubio and bill nelson did.
heard from a friend there that the local voter registration official has put up tables and signs at the Tallahassee protest pre-registering students 17 yrs and older. must send chills thru the legislative halls.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday sought to clarify his support for arming teachers in the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, saying he only wanted to examine the idea and would limit it to those with military or special training.
âI never said âgive teachers guns,’â Trump wrote in a post on Twitter one day after raising the idea at a White House listening session with survivors of the shooting. âWhat I said was to look at the possibility of giving âconcealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience â only the best.’â
Feel the burn! More victim blaming and sanders is an old coot, too! I believe that is why I want a young, surfing jackass to move the dem party forward in this potential blue wave heading to the November midterms. The resistance in FL is a good beginning…I willingly pass the torch to the younger humans of the democratic party. The young whipper snappers are doing a great job…out PRing the prez.
Donald Trump stands by proposal to give teachers guns: ‘Attacks would end!’
President expands upon idea to arm some teachers in schools
âGun-adept teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantlyâ
[….]
He added: âA âgun freeâ school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END! History shows that a school shooting lasts, on average, 3 minutes. It takes police & first responders approximately 5 to 8 minutes to get to site of crime. Highly trained, gun adept, teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantly, before police arrive. GREAT DETERRENT!â
trump wants armed teachers? Finally, starting guns to those hour long tests…do not open your test booklets until the teacher completely fires a round.
Bloomberg:Â Mueller Team to Interview Nunberg Thursday, Source Says
Former Donald Trump political adviser Sam Nunberg will be interviewed by the special counsel investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election on Thursday, a person familiar with the matter said.
Nunberg will meet with a member of Special Counsel Robert Muellerâs team in Washington, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Itâs not clear what Mueller wants to speak with him about. Muellerâs office has informed him that heâs not a target of the probe and wonât be prosecuted unless heâs found to have lied to investigators, the person said.
Nunberg was on Trumpâs payroll from mid-2011 to August 2015. A possible line of questioning could regard Trumpâs activities in Moscow during the 2013 Miss Universe pageant that the president once owned.
Nunberg was fired from Trumpâs campaign in August 2015 after Business Insider published a story about his racially-charged Facebook posts. In July 2016, Trump sued him for violating a confidentiality agreement. The suit was dropped the following month.
Author Michael Wolff repeatedly quoted Nunberg in âFire and Fury,â his portrait of the early months of the Trump administration that was published in January. He said the former adviser was âgenerally regarded as the man who understood Trumpâs whims and impulses bestâ and an associate of Trumpâs former strategist, Steve Bannon. Muellerâs team interviewed Bannon earlier this month. Peter Carr, a spokesman for Muellerâs office, declined to comment.
How about that Mueller investigation? Some pretty big fish have been caught and Mueller keeps casting the nets. Scary humans getting snagged and Mueller has guts, for sure.
Having worked in the class room once upon a time as a substitute teacher, There is a good reason why teachers shouldn’t be armed. Some days shooting the little darling seems like a good idea.
Jack
Mrs Wino
Mrs Jack ran across a groupon deal that is just for you. It is from an online wine seller called heartwood and oak. 12 bottles of wine for 60 bucks delivered. We have tried a couple of the bottles and it has been good wine. They also have an add on facebook, same price.
Jack
a must see starting at 1:34 sec. in on the above vid.
“we’re just trying… not to get shot in the f**king face again…”
The mission of school resource officers around here seems to be the handling of unruly students and taking care of obvious drug offenses. Changing them to a perimeter guard force involves a major change of emphasis. No longer are they a law enforcement activity but security police charged with keeping a campus secure. The first mission won’t vanish, so the second is additive; two separate groups operating separately in the same school.
It would involve officers armed with long-rifles on the outside of the school and maintaining the current resource officers inside. How many officers outside would depend on how many entry points to the campus they must secure. To put it another way, all entry to the campus must be channeled to a couple, or few, entry points–one for delivery traffic and staff vehicles, and one or two for foot traffic. There must be physical barriers (fences, walls, etc.) preventing entry other than through the entry control points.
The ‘outside’ force will not patrol inside the school as a routine part of their duties.
the prez and congress critters should be asked why it’s okay for the white house and capitol building to be gun free zones (‘cepting for the guards), to deny joe public his 2nd amendment right to carry in their places of business, but it’s not safe for schools to be designated gun free zones.
Re arming students: If armed there is a tiny chance I would have taken out my Trigonometry teacher. I’m sure this idea has occurred to more than one student.
Pat, here we have lots of gun-free areas: Schools, government facilities, banks, medical facilities, bars where one is among the imbibing, anyplace where the entrance is posted against weapons, and any other place where the manager asks you to remove your weapon. These restrictions apply to those having concealed weapons permits.
Mrs Jack’s comment on armed teachers, “Oh great now the kids get to live with the trauma of seeing their teacher gun someone down”
Living with violence damages people, we see it often with people who move into our “safe” neighborhood. Dealing with high levels of violence on a daily basis does permanent damage. The thought of turning schools into armed camps is evil.
The people who propose this are living in a fantasy world.
Jack
LaPierre spewed forth not a list of (Democratic) socialist enemies, but A Hit List.
Note that many named were females and/or people of color.
Hollywood (read: Jews) & Washington Post, NBC (read: East Coast elites, Jews) got a special shoutout.
His hatred of Obama is dangerous. Stuff happens because of this.
2010 nutz-a-palooza redux.
the hill:  GOP state rep calls for end to gun-free zones after Florida shooting A Republican state lawmaker on Wednesday called for an end to gun-free zones following last weekâs mass shooting at a high school in South Florida. âWell, the current policy of gun-free zones actually invites these kinds of attacks. Itâs not a realistic policy and it sends a message that our students are soft targets,â Colorado state Rep. Patrick Neville (R) told âFox & Friends.â âSo I want to end gun-free zones and actually allow good people to defend our students,” he said. Some conservatives have suggested arming teachers as a means to prevent mass shootings after a gunman killed 17 people and wounded more than a dozen people last week in Florida. Conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh called for concealed carry in American schools during a rare television appearance on Sunday.
[…continues…]
LaPierre: “Media Enablers.”
Oooh, Mr Crawford, a challenge. You & your evil media elitists (you know you’re better than us) give him all he deserves back. Please.
NRA chief says security, not gun control, is answer to school shootings National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre in a speech to conservatives on Thursday said suggestions to limit guns are âcompletely ridiculous,â arguing more security would increase safety in schools. âEvil walks among us, and God helps us if we donât harden our schools and protect our kids,â the NRA leader told the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). âThe whole idea from some of our opponents that armed security makes us less safe is completely ridiculous. If thatâs true, armed security makes us less safe, letâs just go ahead and remove it from everywhere. Letâs remove it from the White House, from Capitol Hill, and remove it from all of Hollywood,â LaPierre continued, prompting some cheers from the crowd. LaPierre lamented that celebrities benefit from enhanced security, but schools are âgun-free zones,â arguing that any âmad manâ with a gun could target those facilities.
[…continues…]
Everyone should have a gun —
It’s an American birthright —
We can get rid of all law enforcement save a lot of money –
won’t need courts either — got a problem — you’ve got a gun!
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Are you a Socialist? Well, you hate everything. Go to hell.
— LaPierre’s speech in a nutty nut nut shell.
I’m thinking he failed social studies.
Oh! Soros just got a shoutout!!! The golden egg of looney birds.
I’m actually starting to agree with the NRA that mentally ill people are the only problem.
Yep. đ
The full text of LaPierre’s speech.
I watched it so you wouldn’t have to.
You’re welcome.
The layout of my high school hasn’t changed in the last 50+ years. It was and is the California standard of single story buildings spread all around interspersed with playing fields, pool and gymnasium. To “harden” the site, you would have to tear it down and build a prison.
The numbers really start climbing in the 1990. What changed and why?
Jamie, your HS doesn’t sound any more difficult to secure than the challenges in securing a like-sized airfield or military operational facility. It’s a matter of having defined entry control points and maintaining the ability to identify and intercept intruders before they achieve their goals.
During the Cold War I owned a bomb-dump in Ohio. One day Strategic Air Command decided they would like to move a contingency stock of nuclear weapons their. I traveled to New Hampshire, presented my proposal for securing said weapons and provisions for our emergency access should unforeseen circumstances warrant. Their general was happy and a few weeks later said weapons arrived.
The bomb dump wasn’t terribly large, about 100 acres. And we had a single-entry control point. It was completely fenced and we had truck mounted patrols on the exteriors of the fences. Nobody messed with SAC’s bombs.
Everyone should have a gun â
KGC… you mean I don’t have to joke about it anymore… Â I can do it for real… ~~~~swell~~~~
Hey Pogo… Â you forgot to mention… Â our women’s Olympic hockey team beat the Canadian women’s hockey team for gold… Â Â women rock!
Having an idiot who attended military school talk about teachers being armed shouldn’t surprise anyone. Â Having an idiot who has to have empathy written down for him to refer to when responding to kids talking about their experiences of seeing their friends killed tells me everything I need to know about the idiot in chief.
RR
That’s right the next time some one tells you they saw a scarf just like the ones you create at Walmart – you can take out your gun and blow them away.
I have a list.
KGC… Â great idea… Â and if I do it in Florida I can claim I was just “standing my ground”…
RR, no slight intended to any of those remarkable athletes who had such terrific results yesterday – I just happened to see the relay finish and was blown away by it. I did see the half pipe stuff, but I don’t think I saw the last run.  I think the hockey game was still in progress when I sent my shout out, but I was only watching NBC and not NBCSports at the time, and I was fast asleep by the time Mikaela Shiffrin got the silver in the Super Combined.
Jamie- Maybe itâs social isolation and social clumping into like-minded (or wrong-minded) groups in the internet.
Itâs the perfect brainwashing tool.
RR
Hey you don’t need a reason. This is the new normal.
Also
Our neighbor got a notice – she received it yesterday saying her medi-cal was being cut off at the end of the month. Not much notice.  It also amounted to a clerical mistake fairly easily corrected before the termination. What if she had been out of town or sick and not going to the mailboxes. Once it’s terminated you have to reapply. What is wrong with social services?
Folks donât know how to behave in real life, in general, these days. Â Itâs more than just trolling on FB. Â Itâs road rage & customer service rage at airports & stores (and in Dallas, itâs often the employees who are rude which has surprised many transplants), and, in many other scenarios where folks donât get what they want, when they want it. Â Iâve seen a sales rep kick the door of a secured building because he didnât have an appointment and couldnât get inside.
As the saying goes, anger is normal, violence is not.
Too much violence being called entertainment, too. Â Whether re-hashing actual crimes or creating horrific things for viewing, it has an impact on everyone who watches in some way, but for the mentally unstable, itâs something to obsess over.
I donât think reality TV has helped matters. Â Itâs very produced & edited, but folks who watch it chatter on about it like itâs real and absorb it into their psyche. Â The younger ones probably think itâs normal behavior. Â Monkey see, monkey do.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Folks feel unfulfilled. Â They need healthy, social interaction & a creative outlet. Â It needs to happen very young & be ongoing. Â We move around a lot more, too, including separating from family units entirely and going off to work somewhere.
We have changed the way we live a lot in the past 60 years or so, but we have not changed & it is showing up as stress, violent behavior, and, illness.
If it’s really about a citizen’s militia shouldn’t we all have guns
and be trained; gun ed like driver’s ed.  Then we wouldn’t need the army — everyone can be a general.
SJ is on point. I think Mr. La Pierre has gone off the deep end.
SFB’s reaction to this problem further confirms my fears that he would like to declare martial law and suspend elections
If we arm the teachers union with M-16s w/duct taped 30 round banana clips, won’t it scare the hell & poop out of all those repug union haters ?
Under lapierre’s & trump’s ‘plan’ shooters will just have to wait for recess on the playground, or the times that the buses arrive and the kids are thick on the ground. Fughing idiots.
If itâs really about a citizenâs militia shouldnât we all have guns – Ms Cracker
And, your weapons must be held for you at the militia armory.
You are required to report at 300 hours on Saturday for the 2 day bivouac. Don’t bother to bring a tooth brush. There won’t be enough clean water to brush. Toothpicks will have to do. Wooden toothpicks or your knife only.
So, add this anti-gun movement to me-too and treasonous Russia Republicans, how can Democrats avoid winning Congress in November? As always though, I worry they’ll find a way.
“Itâs a matter of having defined entry control points and maintaining the ability to identify and intercept intruders before they achieve their goals.”
flatus, that’s the better way to secure schools rather than arming a teacher here and there as the twit and the gun mfrs spokesman wayne l’peww suggest.
still don’t get why media don’t question the officials who work in such entry controlled buildings (wh & capitol) but who blather on about arming the teachers instead of promoting all schools to be likewise protected as they are.
“how can Democrats avoid winning Congress in November”
Pat, Yours of 2:31 makes a lot of sense. These nitwit repug pols talk w/o thinking through the security problems.
Here’s another problem : What prevents the perps from attacking the playground at recess, or the areas where the buses drop off/pick up the students ? The perp picks off the adults first, and mops up the milling students at leisure. The students bunch up along the wall of the school, as happened in Las Vegas. Crouching ducks.
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, mr trump. JEEzeus, you’re a delusional idiot.
A question asked these last few days is why does this slaughter feel different for getting things changed, even minimally? One big difference I see is that SFB has become a sideshow and repetitive. He is becoming irrelevant because he is only for show, not for doing. He shtick is not overwhelming the news cycle anymore. He dumped out a tweet storm over the last weekend which was reported, dissected and overlaid with the continuing actions from marchers. The marchers and students keep bringing the cameras to the meetings of greedy old perverts, who show contempt for the students. And, the republicans keep doing it themselves with the old nra attacking all that is not white, male and russian.
I also keep thinking that even though the regular media is controlled by three corporations, there is a steady stream of non-cable users who are building a new distribution direction. I have many friends, Boomers to Generation Z, who get their news entirely on their cell phones. Although it is called social media, I am thinking that is no longer an apt name. What the new descriptor should be is something to contemplate.
And, the magnitude of fed up and pissed off people multiplies with each massacre.
Does this mean this one will be different? We will know in November.
jac, thanks for linking that politico article on Bernie. of note the parts that said
Sanders said that his campaign had shared information with the Clinton campaign about suspected Russian anti-Clinton trolls on a campaign Facebook page. But Weaver later acknowledged that the Vermont senator had no firsthand knowledge that this had happened. Weaver said Sanders based his remark on an article published by NBCâs San Diego affiliate over the weekend about a campaign volunteer who claimed to have conducted his own investigation and brought the findings to the Clinton campaign in September â an assertion flatly denied by a former Clinton campaign aide. “A guy who was on my staff ⌠checked it out and he went to the Clinton campaign, and he said, âYou know what? I think these guys are Russians,ââ Sanders said. Weaver said Sanders had not verified the information in the article himself before stating it as fact.
The Sanders statement issued late Wednesday attributed to âan aide to Sen. Sandersâ added âhe was using the word âcampaignâ expansively to include not only the formal, institutional campaign, but also the broader network of volunteers and supporters of Bernie 2016 across the country.â
and
On Wednesday, liberal writer Joan Walsh of The Nation tweeted in response to Sandersâ comments about Clinton: âSeriously, this could be the end of Sanders 2020. Someone who cares about him ought to tell him how badly he stepped in it today.â
Jack, Bernie…sigh. Â can he be dementiaed out of Congress?
KC, the trip off the deep end for LaPierre had to be an exceedingly short one.
I have one question – Is Bernie on the staff of the Committee to Re-elect President Trump, or is he just doing this gratuitously?
Is this latest faux pas worse for Bernie’s career than Clinton’s claim of dodging bullets at Sarajevo’s airport was ? It’s bad, but trump got 47% of the vote AFTER the pussygrabber video came out.
Let’s forget about Bernie and the Clintons. They are over seasoned and overcooked leftovers.
Letâs forget about Bernie and the Clintons. They are over seasoned and overcooked leftovers.
xrep…. I agree with you concerning the Clintons… Â but Bernie is still mulling over a 2020 run for president. Â I hope this delusional rant means he’ll be eating some young Democratic candidate’s dust if he makes that choice.
Pogo… Â I was just teasing. Â The women’s hockey game went into the wee hours of the night. Â I think when the winning goal was scored I was dreaming about Mueller indicting Trumpettes and I started making popcorn… đ
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JUST IN: Robert Mueller files new charges against former Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Rick Gates nyp.st/2FolLnF
NBC news
BREAKING: Special Counsel Mueller files 32-count indictment against Manafort and Gates, including tax and bank fraud charges – NBCNews.com pic.twitter.com/NltfJbhzYl
I know dozens of Republicans with guns- literally none of them go hunting. Â Maybe two or three of them have in the past, and usually came home with nothing.
Having an idiot who attended military school talk about teachers being armed shouldnât surprise anyone.
– Mr Pogo
As an idiot who attended a military school, I take umbrage. Plus ullage and boscage, too. We all had rifles in our lockers, and we got in trouble if these weapons went missing. Students got expelled, but none came back to shoot us. However, that had nothing to do with the faculty being armed. They weren’t. The fact that students had rifles did not make a difference either, as all the firing pins were removed – just in case some student got a crazy shoot-’em-up idea.
There was an indoor rifle range at school run by a trusted student, and a coach, who taught Latin on the side. Those rifles (only rifles, although the trusted fellow student brought pistols to school a few times) were carefully locked up in a cabinet that I could pick open with the nut pick or jack knife I usually carried. Bullets were handed out as though they were diamonds. Our range student manager had to account for them all – except the ones he brought from home. Btw, this student was a licensed gunsmith before his 12th birthday.
We had two insane students, brothers, who were wild about and with firearms. They had access to dynamite, which they used to destroy neighbors’ mailboxes, boats, front steps, etc. However, they confined their mayhem to off campus venues, for some reason. The younger brother became a physician. A third student was a sure shot with a flamethrower – great for starting campfires.
I made a little black powder cannon. It could shoot about 30′.
must be heartbreaking for those kids to see this after all they’ve gone thru: “What many people don’t understand, or don’t want to understand, is that Wayne, Chris and the folks who work so hard at the @NRA are Great People and Great American Patriots,” Trump wrote. “They love our Country and will do the right thing.” “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” Trump added.
XR, I didn’t EVERY idiot who attended military school would say such a thing or that the instructors actually were armed (although I suspect you could find a trusty pistol  in more than a few of the faculty’s desk drawers);  I was talking about one specific idiot who attended military school – I’ll betcha his memory of the faculty has them in their best George C. Scott Patton regalia, ivory handled six shooters and all.
But on to more exciting, real world news. As Sr. Sturg reprted above, Â (sorry, didn’t see your post before I hit post) NY Post reports:
Ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates were slammed with tax fraud charges in the Russia probe Thursday, adding to the laundry list of federal crimes they’re already accused of.
Manafort and Gates became the first two Trump associates indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller last October over their shady business dealings on behalf of a pro-Kremlin political party in the Ukraine. Since then, the two men have been forced to give up millions of dollars in assets and property just to stay out of jail.
Mueller’s latest indictment, unsealed Thursday afternoon, puts even more pressure on the duo.
The 32-count indictment charges Manafort and Gates with concocting a complex plot to avoid paying taxes on the fortunes they made while working as consultants to ousted Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych between 2006 and 2015. In total, Mueller stated, the two men funneled more than $75 million through offshore bank accounts to hide it from U.S. tax authorities.
I guess SFB liked the cut of their jibs.
All our non-fireable rifles, as I join the idiots who attended military school parade, were kept in the armory.
springfield 03 or Enfield something-or-others…….I don’t know, some kind of old bolt action thing……
You could certainly club the hell out of somebody with it, but you couldn’t shoot em. And there were more than a few there whom I suspect had the urge…..
And in other news – an indictment against another (R) – Missouri governor Eric Greitens  for felony invasion of privacy for threatening to blackmail a woman with whom he was having an extramarital affair by saying he would distribute a nude photo of her if she revealed the relationship. Man, I know that Dems do stoopid shit too, but really?
RR, LOL. Enjoy the popcorn – yours was apparently a prescient dream.
The perfect cannon was a two-foot length of galvanized pipe, inside diameter of which was perfect for a flashlight battery to slip into, with a threaded end onto which was screwed a galvanized cap with a tiny fuse hole drilled in it. Â A little wadding down the barrel, then the battery and more wadding……..a cherry bomb or an M-80 in the back end with fuse thru the hole and voila………that thing was lethal, until you ran out of cherry bombs……
Interesting idea: Westlake, TX is building a police sub-station in the school campus.
Itâs sad that something like this even seems necessary, but itâs an idea.
* The Dallas Councilman who called for the NRA to move their convention elsewhere days heâs getting threats.
 “Firearm & ammo sales add billions to conservation!â
The smell from Interior is not nature — stinky zinke is at it again…ethics watchdogs seek probe of FEC violations.
The Campaign Legal Center’s complaints also flagged a previously unreported trip in September when Zinke and two Interior staff members stayed two nights at the Four Seasons Resort in Dallas while he spoke at an conference organized by the National Rifle Association, which had donated $4,000 to his 2016 congressionalcampaign. An Interior ethics officer signed off on Zinke and the staffers spending $195 per room per night, according to travel documents.
During the trip, Zinke spent an hour at an âinformalâ luncheon with several oil industry executives and financial industry members who had contributed heavily to Trumpâs presidential campaign. The lunch, which Interior’s trip schedules show was held to discuss âsports and conservation,â included Thomas Hicks, a Texas oilman who contributed $1,500 to Zinkeâs congressional races and at least $8,100 to Trumpâs presidential campaign, according to FEC data.
Jack…thanks for the wine tip. Always welcome.
There has always been a ban in my household of one word unless used by Shakespeare and tonight I used it.
“For Dana Loesch, the “C” word would be an upgrade.”
She upset me.
NMSU grad, New Mexico native, Bowdich…new acting deputy director of the fbi replacing Andy McCabe…responds to Parkland fbi miffed shooter tip.
XR
You can’t take Ullage, that is the angels’ share of good whiskey.
As a high school teacher this one is simple: HELL NO! The reasons why are too numerous to list in a single post. Trump is an idiot!
Jamie, is this what brought you to utter (or scream as the case maybe at the tv) the c-word
“Many in legacy media love mass shootings. You guys love it,” Dana Loesch said Thursday. “Now I’m not saying that you love the tragedy. But I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back (of the room).” “And notice I said ‘crying white mothers’ because there are thousands of grieving black mothers in Chicago every weekend, and you don’t see town halls for them, do you?” Loesch asked. “Where’s the CNN town hall for Chicago? Where’s the CNN town hall for sanctuary cities?”
or was it the ice cold daggers shooting out of her eyes and the whiff of brimstone in the air?
or this as reported by the hill: A Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student pushed back on National Rifle Association (NRA) spokeswoman Dana Loesch’s claims that attendees screamed “burn her” after she spoke at a CNN town hall on last week’s deadly mass shooting. “As someone who was there front row, the crowd was not cheering ‘burn her’ as she walked off stage,” the student, whose name is Natasha, posted on Twitter. “We yelled “shame on you” instead. Why does she insist on lying? Does she and the NRA feel threatened by us?” In a Thursday speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), Loesch told the audience as she left the town hall stage that attendees were screaming “burn her.” “I had to have a security detail to get out. I wouldn’t have been able to exit that if I didn’t have a private security detail,” Loesch said. “There were people rushing the stage, and screaming ‘burn her.'” “And I came there to talk solutions, and I still am going to continue that conversation on solutions as the NRA has been doing [since] before I was alive,” she said. Video posted to Twitter after the town hall event shows Loesch being escorted out of the arena as audience members boo her and chant “shame on you.”
That c word Jamie mentioned….to Chaucer the word was “quaint”…..has a much nicer ring to it.
Dana loesch and huckabee sanders are having an Ugly-Off, bearing in mind that ugly is as ugly does.
The best tweet yesterday was “President Reagan was surrounded by Secret Service agents when he was shot”.
You do not go up against a combat rifle with a hand gun, even if it is a Clint Eastwood .357 Magnum and all bright and shiny, if you want to take down the gunman AND survive. It is idiotic to believe that a teacher is going to wear a side arm while teaching children and instantly jump into action and track down and kill a gunman. Even the best, very highly trained physically fit soldiers or police, have problems doing it. There is a reason to use grenades and explosives when clearing a building of bad guys. You cannot do that in a school.
Awaiting the morning glory here…Scott Israel vs. trumperdoo who insecurely hugged himself throughout his ‘listening’ session yesterday while devos had a plastered smile on her face showing her pleasure in victim suffering. Israel was dynamic at the CNN townhall.
For the record, I have never felt high school students were all ‘children.’ The older teens are becoming young adults and until their brains fully develop into their twenties? They can articulate and demand attention…unlike elementary school children and counties with sheriffs who walk in lock step with the nra and the trumpence junta. Shootings occur and we move-on without a notice to the causes because we believe in the 2nd amendment…what about the rest of the amendments?
One more thought, trump, the nra and the repugs have set mental illness treatment and awareness back to the 1950’s, period.
patD- Interesting. Â So, if Guns&Ammo-R-Us bought critterz in the past to give them legal cover, then the individuals (CEOs & other execs) need to be hounded in the media. Â Who are they? Make it so uncomfortable for them…not bullying, but confronting them with the horrors that the Parkland teens & the Sandy Hook first-graders had to endure. They are in the industry of killing people, for the most part. Do they see that? Who are these people who donât think supplying killing machines to armies around the world is enough? By the way, the assault rifles are being sold to no-good-niks on the web to do harm overseas, too. Do any of them really understand that fact?
Could someone from another country sue US gun manufacturers?
Dear Repugz, There will be pushback at the polls this year. And in years to come, these kids will be the office-holders and you and your hateful, fearmongering, and inhumane ideas will be extinct. Tell that to your NRA & Russkie & BigPharma & oil overlords…
When a Bernie supporter gunned down the congressman at their baseball practice? Everyone demanded that Sanders address the shooter’s actions as the shooter was a supporter. When the young deplorable in Florida wearing a maga hat makes a youtube about killing, shoots-up the school? trump is not held to the same standard.  Perhaps we need to address how white supremacist groups, even groups like isis, attract mentally unstable humans who like guns and killing. It seems in this country, they have become fake soldiers in trump’s war on civilians who do not support the junta. I look at the vid that nra’s dana made last year…inciting violence (gun sales) over disloyalty to trump.
steve king wanted a war with the opposition party after the baseball shooting. king on a rant about dems being the evil, not guns, not mental illness. Purely insane.
BB…thanks for the clint eastwood reminder…remember when the old coot talked to a chair on stage at the rnc convention in 2012? He wants a mulligan!
Speaking of mulligans…the passing of Billy Graham reminded me that billy was caught on tape with nixon dissing the Jewish community.  Billy was the granddaddy of the evangelical movement and his son franklin continues to march to the right side of all moral issues.
I hereby change FL gov scott’s first name to dick scott. It is a more appropriate moniker.
gov dick scott didn’t even show up at the town hall, but marco rubio and bill nelson did.
heard from a friend there that the local voter registration official has put up tables and signs at the Tallahassee protest pre-registering students 17 yrs and older. must send chills thru the legislative halls.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday sought to clarify his support for arming teachers in the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, saying he only wanted to examine the idea and would limit it to those with military or special training.
âI never said âgive teachers guns,’â Trump wrote in a post on Twitter one day after raising the idea at a White House listening session with survivors of the shooting. âWhat I said was to look at the possibility of giving âconcealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience â only the best.’â
Feel the burn! More victim blaming and sanders is an old coot, too! I believe that is why I want a young, surfing jackass to move the dem party forward in this potential blue wave heading to the November midterms. The resistance in FL is a good beginning…I willingly pass the torch to the younger humans of the democratic party. The young whipper snappers are doing a great job…out PRing the prez.
the guardian:
Donald Trump stands by proposal to give teachers guns: ‘Attacks would end!’
President expands upon idea to arm some teachers in schools
âGun-adept teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantlyâ
[….]
He added: âA âgun freeâ school is a magnet for bad people. ATTACKS WOULD END! History shows that a school shooting lasts, on average, 3 minutes. It takes police & first responders approximately 5 to 8 minutes to get to site of crime. Highly trained, gun adept, teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantly, before police arrive. GREAT DETERRENT!â
trump wants armed teachers? Finally, starting guns to those hour long tests…do not open your test booklets until the teacher completely fires a round.
Bloomberg:Â Mueller Team to Interview Nunberg Thursday, Source Says
Former Donald Trump political adviser Sam Nunberg will be interviewed by the special counsel investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election on Thursday, a person familiar with the matter said.
Nunberg will meet with a member of Special Counsel Robert Muellerâs team in Washington, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Itâs not clear what Mueller wants to speak with him about. Muellerâs office has informed him that heâs not a target of the probe and wonât be prosecuted unless heâs found to have lied to investigators, the person said.
Nunberg was on Trumpâs payroll from mid-2011 to August 2015. A possible line of questioning could regard Trumpâs activities in Moscow during the 2013 Miss Universe pageant that the president once owned.
Nunberg was fired from Trumpâs campaign in August 2015 after Business Insider published a story about his racially-charged Facebook posts. In July 2016, Trump sued him for violating a confidentiality agreement. The suit was dropped the following month.
Author Michael Wolff repeatedly quoted Nunberg in âFire and Fury,â his portrait of the early months of the Trump administration that was published in January. He said the former adviser was âgenerally regarded as the man who understood Trumpâs whims and impulses bestâ and an associate of Trumpâs former strategist, Steve Bannon. Muellerâs team interviewed Bannon earlier this month.
Peter Carr, a spokesman for Muellerâs office, declined to comment.
How about that Mueller investigation? Some pretty big fish have been caught and Mueller keeps casting the nets. Scary humans getting snagged and Mueller has guts, for sure.
Having worked in the class room once upon a time as a substitute teacher, There is a good reason why teachers shouldn’t be armed. Some days shooting the little darling seems like a good idea.
Jack
Mrs Wino
Mrs Jack ran across a groupon deal that is just for you. It is from an online wine seller called heartwood and oak. 12 bottles of wine for 60 bucks delivered. We have tried a couple of the bottles and it has been good wine. They also have an add on facebook, same price.
Jack
a must see starting at 1:34 sec. in on the above vid.
“we’re just trying… not to get shot in the f**king face again…”
The mission of school resource officers around here seems to be the handling of unruly students and taking care of obvious drug offenses. Changing them to a perimeter guard force involves a major change of emphasis. No longer are they a law enforcement activity but security police charged with keeping a campus secure. The first mission won’t vanish, so the second is additive; two separate groups operating separately in the same school.
It would involve officers armed with long-rifles on the outside of the school and maintaining the current resource officers inside. How many officers outside would depend on how many entry points to the campus they must secure. To put it another way, all entry to the campus must be channeled to a couple, or few, entry points–one for delivery traffic and staff vehicles, and one or two for foot traffic. There must be physical barriers (fences, walls, etc.) preventing entry other than through the entry control points.
The ‘outside’ force will not patrol inside the school as a routine part of their duties.
the prez and congress critters should be asked why it’s okay for the white house and capitol building to be gun free zones (‘cepting for the guards), to deny joe public his 2nd amendment right to carry in their places of business, but it’s not safe for schools to be designated gun free zones.
Why not arm the kids?
This is the reason the AR-15 is a weapon of war not a hunting rifle. It is totally unfit for shooting Bambi, but if your purpose is to take out as many people as possible as rapidly as possible, it is perfect.
What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
Re arming students: If armed there is a tiny chance I would have taken out my Trigonometry teacher. I’m sure this idea has occurred to more than one student.
Pat, here we have lots of gun-free areas: Schools, government facilities, banks, medical facilities, bars where one is among the imbibing, anyplace where the entrance is posted against weapons, and any other place where the manager asks you to remove your weapon. These restrictions apply to those having concealed weapons permits.
Mrs Jack’s comment on armed teachers, “Oh great now the kids get to live with the trauma of seeing their teacher gun someone down”
Living with violence damages people, we see it often with people who move into our “safe” neighborhood. Dealing with high levels of violence on a daily basis does permanent damage. The thought of turning schools into armed camps is evil.
The people who propose this are living in a fantasy world.
Jack
LaPierre spewed forth not a list of (Democratic) socialist enemies, but A Hit List.
Note that many named were females and/or people of color.
Hollywood (read: Jews) & Washington Post, NBC (read: East Coast elites, Jews) got a special shoutout.
His hatred of Obama is dangerous. Stuff happens because of this.
2010 nutz-a-palooza redux.
the hill:Â Â GOP state rep calls for end to gun-free zones after Florida shooting
A Republican state lawmaker on Wednesday called for an end to gun-free zones following last weekâs mass shooting at a high school in South Florida.
âWell, the current policy of gun-free zones actually invites these kinds of attacks. Itâs not a realistic policy and it sends a message that our students are soft targets,â Colorado state Rep. Patrick Neville (R) told âFox & Friends.â
âSo I want to end gun-free zones and actually allow good people to defend our students,” he said.
Some conservatives have suggested arming teachers as a means to prevent mass shootings after a gunman killed 17 people and wounded more than a dozen people last week in Florida.
Conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh called for concealed carry in American schools during a rare television appearance on Sunday.
[…continues…]
LaPierre: “Media Enablers.”
Oooh, Mr Crawford, a challenge. You & your evil media elitists (you know you’re better than us) give him all he deserves back. Please.
also from the Hill this morning:
NRA chief says security, not gun control, is answer to school shootings
National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre in a speech to conservatives on Thursday said suggestions to limit guns are âcompletely ridiculous,â arguing more security would increase safety in schools.
âEvil walks among us, and God helps us if we donât harden our schools and protect our kids,â the NRA leader told the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC).Â
âThe whole idea from some of our opponents that armed security makes us less safe is completely ridiculous. If thatâs true, armed security makes us less safe, letâs just go ahead and remove it from everywhere. Letâs remove it from the White House, from Capitol Hill, and remove it from all of Hollywood,â LaPierre continued, prompting some cheers from the crowd.
LaPierre lamented that celebrities benefit from enhanced security, but schools are âgun-free zones,â arguing that any âmad manâ with a gun could target those facilities.
[…continues…]
Everyone should have a gun —
It’s an American birthright —
We can get rid of all law enforcement save a lot of money –
won’t need courts either — got a problem — you’ve got a gun!
?
Are you a Socialist? Well, you hate everything. Go to hell.
— LaPierre’s speech in a nutty nut nut shell.
I’m thinking he failed social studies.
Oh! Soros just got a shoutout!!! The golden egg of looney birds.
I’m actually starting to agree with the NRA that mentally ill people are the only problem.
Yep. đ
The full text of LaPierre’s speech.
I watched it so you wouldn’t have to.
You’re welcome.
The layout of my high school hasn’t changed in the last 50+ years. It was and is the California standard of single story buildings spread all around interspersed with playing fields, pool and gymnasium. To “harden” the site, you would have to tear it down and build a prison.
20th Century School Shootings
The numbers really start climbing in the 1990. What changed and why?
Jamie, your HS doesn’t sound any more difficult to secure than the challenges in securing a like-sized airfield or military operational facility. It’s a matter of having defined entry control points and maintaining the ability to identify and intercept intruders before they achieve their goals.
During the Cold War I owned a bomb-dump in Ohio. One day Strategic Air Command decided they would like to move a contingency stock of nuclear weapons their. I traveled to New Hampshire, presented my proposal for securing said weapons and provisions for our emergency access should unforeseen circumstances warrant. Their general was happy and a few weeks later said weapons arrived.
The bomb dump wasn’t terribly large, about 100 acres. And we had a single-entry control point. It was completely fenced and we had truck mounted patrols on the exteriors of the fences. Nobody messed with SAC’s bombs.
Everyone should have a gun â
KGC… you mean I don’t have to joke about it anymore… Â I can do it for real… ~~~~swell~~~~
Hey Pogo… Â you forgot to mention… Â our women’s Olympic hockey team beat the Canadian women’s hockey team for gold… Â Â women rock!
Having an idiot who attended military school talk about teachers being armed shouldn’t surprise anyone. Â Having an idiot who has to have empathy written down for him to refer to when responding to kids talking about their experiences of seeing their friends killed tells me everything I need to know about the idiot in chief.
RR
That’s right the next time some one tells you they saw a scarf just like the ones you create at Walmart – you can take out your gun and blow them away.
I have a list.
KGC… Â great idea… Â and if I do it in Florida I can claim I was just “standing my ground”…
RR, no slight intended to any of those remarkable athletes who had such terrific results yesterday – I just happened to see the relay finish and was blown away by it. I did see the half pipe stuff, but I don’t think I saw the last run.  I think the hockey game was still in progress when I sent my shout out, but I was only watching NBC and not NBCSports at the time, and I was fast asleep by the time Mikaela Shiffrin got the silver in the Super Combined.
Jamie- Maybe itâs social isolation and social clumping into like-minded (or wrong-minded) groups in the internet.
Itâs the perfect brainwashing tool.
RR
Hey you don’t need a reason. This is the new normal.
Also
Our neighbor got a notice – she received it yesterday saying her medi-cal was being cut off at the end of the month. Not much notice.  It also amounted to a clerical mistake fairly easily corrected before the termination. What if she had been out of town or sick and not going to the mailboxes. Once it’s terminated you have to reapply. What is wrong with social services?
Folks donât know how to behave in real life, in general, these days. Â Itâs more than just trolling on FB. Â Itâs road rage & customer service rage at airports & stores (and in Dallas, itâs often the employees who are rude which has surprised many transplants), and, in many other scenarios where folks donât get what they want, when they want it. Â Iâve seen a sales rep kick the door of a secured building because he didnât have an appointment and couldnât get inside.
As the saying goes, anger is normal, violence is not.
Too much violence being called entertainment, too. Â Whether re-hashing actual crimes or creating horrific things for viewing, it has an impact on everyone who watches in some way, but for the mentally unstable, itâs something to obsess over.
I donât think reality TV has helped matters. Â Itâs very produced & edited, but folks who watch it chatter on about it like itâs real and absorb it into their psyche. Â The younger ones probably think itâs normal behavior. Â Monkey see, monkey do.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Folks feel unfulfilled. Â They need healthy, social interaction & a creative outlet. Â It needs to happen very young & be ongoing. Â We move around a lot more, too, including separating from family units entirely and going off to work somewhere.
We have changed the way we live a lot in the past 60 years or so, but we have not changed & it is showing up as stress, violent behavior, and, illness.
If it’s really about a citizen’s militia shouldn’t we all have guns
and be trained; gun ed like driver’s ed.  Then we wouldn’t need the army — everyone can be a general.
SJ is on point. I think Mr. La Pierre has gone off the deep end.
SFB’s reaction to this problem further confirms my fears that he would like to declare martial law and suspend elections
If we arm the teachers union with M-16s w/duct taped 30 round banana clips, won’t it scare the hell & poop out of all those repug union haters ?
Under lapierre’s & trump’s ‘plan’ shooters will just have to wait for recess on the playground, or the times that the buses arrive and the kids are thick on the ground. Fughing idiots.
If itâs really about a citizenâs militia shouldnât we all have guns – Ms Cracker
And, your weapons must be held for you at the militia armory.
You are required to report at 300 hours on Saturday for the 2 day bivouac. Don’t bother to bring a tooth brush. There won’t be enough clean water to brush. Toothpicks will have to do. Wooden toothpicks or your knife only.
So, add this anti-gun movement to me-too and treasonous Russia Republicans, how can Democrats avoid winning Congress in November? As always though, I worry they’ll find a way.
“Itâs a matter of having defined entry control points and maintaining the ability to identify and intercept intruders before they achieve their goals.”
flatus, that’s the better way to secure schools rather than arming a teacher here and there as the twit and the gun mfrs spokesman wayne l’peww suggest.
still don’t get why media don’t question the officials who work in such entry controlled buildings (wh & capitol) but who blather on about arming the teachers instead of promoting all schools to be likewise protected as they are.
“how can Democrats avoid winning Congress in November”
they’ll find a way…. good dems always do
ny post: Massacre survivorâs mom says heâs getting death threats from conspiracy theorists
Pat, Yours of 2:31 makes a lot of sense. These nitwit repug pols talk w/o thinking through the security problems.
Here’s another problem : What prevents the perps from attacking the playground at recess, or the areas where the buses drop off/pick up the students ? The perp picks off the adults first, and mops up the milling students at leisure. The students bunch up along the wall of the school, as happened in Las Vegas. Crouching ducks.
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, mr trump. JEEzeus, you’re a delusional idiot.
A question asked these last few days is why does this slaughter feel different for getting things changed, even minimally? One big difference I see is that SFB has become a sideshow and repetitive. He is becoming irrelevant because he is only for show, not for doing. He shtick is not overwhelming the news cycle anymore. He dumped out a tweet storm over the last weekend which was reported, dissected and overlaid with the continuing actions from marchers. The marchers and students keep bringing the cameras to the meetings of greedy old perverts, who show contempt for the students. And, the republicans keep doing it themselves with the old nra attacking all that is not white, male and russian.
I also keep thinking that even though the regular media is controlled by three corporations, there is a steady stream of non-cable users who are building a new distribution direction. I have many friends, Boomers to Generation Z, who get their news entirely on their cell phones. Although it is called social media, I am thinking that is no longer an apt name. What the new descriptor should be is something to contemplate.
And, the magnitude of fed up and pissed off people multiplies with each massacre.
Does this mean this one will be different? We will know in November.
jac, thanks for linking that politico article on Bernie. of note the parts that said
Sanders said that his campaign had shared information with the Clinton campaign about suspected Russian anti-Clinton trolls on a campaign Facebook page. But Weaver later acknowledged that the Vermont senator had no firsthand knowledge that this had happened. Weaver said Sanders based his remark on an article published by NBCâs San Diego affiliate over the weekend about a campaign volunteer who claimed to have conducted his own investigation and brought the findings to the Clinton campaign in September â an assertion flatly denied by a former Clinton campaign aide.
“A guy who was on my staff ⌠checked it out and he went to the Clinton campaign, and he said, âYou know what? I think these guys are Russians,ââ Sanders said. Weaver said Sanders had not verified the information in the article himself before stating it as fact.
The Sanders statement issued late Wednesday attributed to âan aide to Sen. Sandersâ added âhe was using the word âcampaignâ expansively to include not only the formal, institutional campaign, but also the broader network of volunteers and supporters of Bernie 2016 across the country.â
and
On Wednesday, liberal writer Joan Walsh of The Nation tweeted in response to Sandersâ comments about Clinton: âSeriously, this could be the end of Sanders 2020. Someone who cares about him ought to tell him how badly he stepped in it today.â
Jack, Bernie…sigh. Â can he be dementiaed out of Congress?
KC, the trip off the deep end for LaPierre had to be an exceedingly short one.
I have one question – Is Bernie on the staff of the Committee to Re-elect President Trump, or is he just doing this gratuitously?
Is this latest faux pas worse for Bernie’s career than Clinton’s claim of dodging bullets at Sarajevo’s airport was ? It’s bad, but trump got 47% of the vote AFTER the pussygrabber video came out.
Let’s forget about Bernie and the Clintons. They are over seasoned and overcooked leftovers.
Article about the future of communications and Internet.
Letâs forget about Bernie and the Clintons. They are over seasoned and overcooked leftovers.
xrep…. I agree with you concerning the Clintons… Â but Bernie is still mulling over a 2020 run for president. Â I hope this delusional rant means he’ll be eating some young Democratic candidate’s dust if he makes that choice.
Pogo… Â I was just teasing. Â The women’s hockey game went into the wee hours of the night. Â I think when the winning goal was scored I was dreaming about Mueller indicting Trumpettes and I started making popcorn… đ
Ny post
JUST IN: Robert Mueller files new charges against former Trump campaign officials Paul Manafort and Rick Gates nyp.st/2FolLnF
NBC news
BREAKING: Special Counsel Mueller files 32-count indictment against Manafort and Gates, including tax and bank fraud charges – NBCNews.com pic.twitter.com/NltfJbhzYl
I know dozens of Republicans with guns- literally none of them go hunting. Â Maybe two or three of them have in the past, and usually came home with nothing.
The charges pdf……
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4385691/2-22-18-US-Status-Report.pdf?utm_content=buffer3d6ca&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Having an idiot who attended military school talk about teachers being armed shouldnât surprise anyone.
– Mr Pogo
As an idiot who attended a military school, I take umbrage. Plus ullage and boscage, too. We all had rifles in our lockers, and we got in trouble if these weapons went missing. Students got expelled, but none came back to shoot us. However, that had nothing to do with the faculty being armed. They weren’t. The fact that students had rifles did not make a difference either, as all the firing pins were removed – just in case some student got a crazy shoot-’em-up idea.
There was an indoor rifle range at school run by a trusted student, and a coach, who taught Latin on the side. Those rifles (only rifles, although the trusted fellow student brought pistols to school a few times) were carefully locked up in a cabinet that I could pick open with the nut pick or jack knife I usually carried. Bullets were handed out as though they were diamonds. Our range student manager had to account for them all – except the ones he brought from home. Btw, this student was a licensed gunsmith before his 12th birthday.
We had two insane students, brothers, who were wild about and with firearms. They had access to dynamite, which they used to destroy neighbors’ mailboxes, boats, front steps, etc. However, they confined their mayhem to off campus venues, for some reason. The younger brother became a physician. A third student was a sure shot with a flamethrower – great for starting campfires.
I made a little black powder cannon. It could shoot about 30′.
must be heartbreaking for those kids to see this after all they’ve gone thru:
“What many people don’t understand, or don’t want to understand, is that Wayne, Chris and the folks who work so hard at the @NRA are Great People and Great American Patriots,” Trump wrote. “They love our Country and will do the right thing.”
“MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” Trump added.
XR, I didn’t EVERY idiot who attended military school would say such a thing or that the instructors actually were armed (although I suspect you could find a trusty pistol  in more than a few of the faculty’s desk drawers);  I was talking about one specific idiot who attended military school – I’ll betcha his memory of the faculty has them in their best George C. Scott Patton regalia, ivory handled six shooters and all.
But on to more exciting, real world news. As Sr. Sturg reprted above, Â (sorry, didn’t see your post before I hit post) NY Post reports:
I guess SFB liked the cut of their jibs.
All our non-fireable rifles, as I join the idiots who attended military school parade, were kept in the armory.
springfield 03 or Enfield something-or-others…….I don’t know, some kind of old bolt action thing……
You could certainly club the hell out of somebody with it, but you couldn’t shoot em. And there were more than a few there whom I suspect had the urge…..
And in other news – an indictment against another (R) – Missouri governor Eric Greitens  for felony invasion of privacy for threatening to blackmail a woman with whom he was having an extramarital affair by saying he would distribute a nude photo of her if she revealed the relationship. Man, I know that Dems do stoopid shit too, but really?
RR, LOL. Enjoy the popcorn – yours was apparently a prescient dream.
The perfect cannon was a two-foot length of galvanized pipe, inside diameter of which was perfect for a flashlight battery to slip into, with a threaded end onto which was screwed a galvanized cap with a tiny fuse hole drilled in it. Â A little wadding down the barrel, then the battery and more wadding……..a cherry bomb or an M-80 in the back end with fuse thru the hole and voila………that thing was lethal, until you ran out of cherry bombs……
Interesting idea: Westlake, TX is building a police sub-station in the school campus.
Itâs sad that something like this even seems necessary, but itâs an idea.
* The Dallas Councilman who called for the NRA to move their convention elsewhere days heâs getting threats.
 “Firearm & ammo sales add billions to conservation!â
The smell from Interior is not nature — stinky zinke is at it again…ethics watchdogs seek probe of FEC violations.
The Campaign Legal Center’s complaints also flagged a previously unreported trip in September when Zinke and two Interior staff members stayed two nights at the Four Seasons Resort in Dallas while he spoke at an conference organized by the National Rifle Association, which had donated $4,000 to his 2016 congressionalcampaign. An Interior ethics officer signed off on Zinke and the staffers spending $195 per room per night, according to travel documents.
During the trip, Zinke spent an hour at an âinformalâ luncheon with several oil industry executives and financial industry members who had contributed heavily to Trumpâs presidential campaign. The lunch, which Interior’s trip schedules show was held to discuss âsports and conservation,â included Thomas Hicks, a Texas oilman who contributed $1,500 to Zinkeâs congressional races and at least $8,100 to Trumpâs presidential campaign, according to FEC data.
Jack…thanks for the wine tip. Always welcome.
There has always been a ban in my household of one word unless used by Shakespeare and tonight I used it.
“For Dana Loesch, the “C” word would be an upgrade.”
She upset me.
NMSU grad, New Mexico native, Bowdich…new acting deputy director of the fbi replacing Andy McCabe…responds to Parkland fbi miffed shooter tip.
XR
You can’t take Ullage, that is the angels’ share of good whiskey.
As a high school teacher this one is simple: HELL NO! The reasons why are too numerous to list in a single post. Trump is an idiot!
Jamie, is this what brought you to utter (or scream as the case maybe at the tv) the c-word
“Many in legacy media love mass shootings. You guys love it,” Dana Loesch said Thursday. “Now I’m not saying that you love the tragedy. But I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back (of the room).”
“And notice I said ‘crying white mothers’ because there are thousands of grieving black mothers in Chicago every weekend, and you don’t see town halls for them, do you?” Loesch asked. “Where’s the CNN town hall for Chicago? Where’s the CNN town hall for sanctuary cities?”
or was it the ice cold daggers shooting out of her eyes and the whiff of brimstone in the air?
or this as reported by the hill:
A Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student pushed back on National Rifle Association (NRA) spokeswoman Dana Loesch’s claims that attendees screamed “burn her” after she spoke at a CNN town hall on last week’s deadly mass shooting.
“As someone who was there front row, the crowd was not cheering ‘burn her’ as she walked off stage,” the student, whose name is Natasha, posted on Twitter. “We yelled “shame on you” instead. Why does she insist on lying? Does she and the NRA feel threatened by us?”
In a Thursday speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), Loesch told the audience as she left the town hall stage that attendees were screaming “burn her.”
“I had to have a security detail to get out. I wouldn’t have been able to exit that if I didn’t have a private security detail,” Loesch said. “There were people rushing the stage, and screaming ‘burn her.'”
“And I came there to talk solutions, and I still am going to continue that conversation on solutions as the NRA has been doing [since] before I was alive,” she said.
Video posted to Twitter after the town hall event shows Loesch being escorted out of the arena as audience members boo her and chant “shame on you.”
That c word Jamie mentioned….to Chaucer the word was “quaint”…..has a much nicer ring to it.
Dana loesch and huckabee sanders are having an Ugly-Off, bearing in mind that ugly is as ugly does.