Starts at 9pm ET on NBC.
Tonight: Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado •Joe Biden, former vice-president •Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Indiana •Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York •Kamala Harris, senator from California •John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado •Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont •Eric Swalwell, representative from California •Marianne Williamson, activist •Andrew Yang, tech entrepreneur
Mr Cracker watched the whole thing ..as soon as they started I fell asleep
so what did he think, KGC?
Mr. C is a Bernie guy but he likes Elizabeth Warren and he thinks she did the best
he thought Julian Castro did well
Gabbard winning Drudge poll by a mile. 46% to Warren’s 11%
Tulsi Gabard???? what is wrong with people she sucks not to mention the cult mentality
oh yea people who read the Drudge report -ack ack ack
Watching the opining on the debate I think Gov Insley did well.
Another thing I appreciated about last night was Ohio Senator Tim Ryan saying that if Democrats don’t go back to being the party of working class people, all the plans being discussed would amount to nothing. I don’t think he’ll be in the race much longer… but, IMO, he did hit the nail on the head with that statement.
Mixed rulings from SCOTUS today – No (for now) to the citizenship question for the census and Yes to partisan gerrymandering. That second ruling is what we call bullshit in the legal field.
wapo breaking news:
Trump asks lawyers if census can be delayed, calls Supreme Court decision on citizenship question ‘totally ridiculous’
In a tweet, the president questioned whether the constitutionally mandated census could be delayed “no matter how long.”
The Supreme Court had put on hold the Trump administration’s plan to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census, saying it had provided a “contrived” reason for wanting the information.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
I sense Tulsi and Ryan would pair well on their views of the issues.
My Prime issue. The Statue of Liberty and what she has stood for all these decades. Quite simply, don ‘t let Trump manipulate the Supremes into holding Ms Liberty down as he mounts and penetrates her.
I wish we had a cartoonist able to create a publishable representation of my 2:26
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flatus, above found at cagle cartoons by cartoonist enos
does this do your 2:26 justice?
Looking forward to seeing how Harris handles herself. Biden just bores me silly, but he is acceptable as a candidate otherwise. Yang is worth listening to even if he doesn’t stand a chance of nomination. I still haven’t forgiven Gillibrand for leading the Al Franken kangaroo court, but would vote for her if I had to.
pogo, all is not lost in some states. take heart with this from charlotte observer:
RALEIGH
Updated with developments on June 27, 2019.
North Carolina’s nationally watched gerrymandering lawsuit won’t change the political landscape for the 2020 elections and beyond, after a U.S. Supreme Court decision Thursday.
But another case might.
[….]
The fight against partisan gerrymandering in North Carolina is not over yet. Common Cause v. Lewis, contesting the 2017 state House and Senate districts, goes to court on July 15.
This case, too, recently made national news, after computer files belonging to a deceased Republican strategist, Thomas B. Hofeller, were turned over to the challengers in the case.
While the Republicans lost six seats in the state Senate and 10 seats in the state House in the “blue wave” of 2018, ending their supermajorities in both chambers, they still maintained a majority in both.
Republican legislators unsuccessfully tried to move the case to federal court, saying in a news release that they did not want the case to be heard in North Carolina because they thought the judges there may be too liberal to give them a fair trial. The state Supreme Court currently leans heavily Democratic; the appointment of Mark Davis to the court gave Democrats a 6-1 majority. In contrast, the U.S. Supreme Court has a majority of conservative-leaning justices.
Read more here: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article231422113.html#storylink=cpy
This case will go to trial in Wake County Superior Court, where the plaintiffs will ask for partisan gerrymandering to be ruled unconstitutional under the North Carolina Constitution.
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Pat, it lacks the complicit justices holding the weeping Ms Liberty to the ground. In enos’ good cartoon, SFB looks like a young teen masturbating; he needs to be an adult embarked on a cruel assault.
meanwhile, from the daily beast
Paul Manafort appeared Thursday afternoon in Manhattan criminal court, the first time he’s appeared in public since being sent to prison in March.
Manafort, 69, looked haggard as he pleaded not-guilty to mortgage fraud charges—dressed in navy blue scrubs with white sneakers and his gray hair long and mussed.
As he walked with a slight limp into the courtroom, flanked by U.S. Marshals, Manafort barely reacted as someone in the crowd yelled “traitor.”
“Not guilty,” he said into the court microphone, sitting down and handcuffed while the rest of his counsel stood. Todd Blanche, his lawyer, told the Judge Maxwell Wiley his client wished to waive his right for pre-trial proceedings.
[….]
Manafort was recently transferred from federal prison in Pennsylvania to the Manhattan Correctional Center. Prosecutors wanted Manafort to transported to New York’s Rikers island, where most federal inmates facing state charges are held. Instead, the Justice Department told the Bureau of Prisons they were concerned about his “health and personal safety” and argued “the arrangement will not have any impact on his state proceedings.”
Manhattan Correctional Center, which houses about 800 inmates, has been home high-profile inmates like mob boss John Gotti and Bernie Madoff, who was convicted of orchestrating the biggest Ponzi scheme in history. The federal correctional center is also currently home to El Capo, notorious Mexican drug kingpin.
Manafort is expected back in Manhattan criminal court on Oct. 9.
flatus, this is closer to what has really happened.
Yes, that’s closer. We also need visual evidence of The New Colossus plaque being carried away from the statue’s base.
p.s. You work so hard for the greater good
OK, Aaron Blake lays out what to watch for tonight. This one should be a bit more contentious.
Klobuchar/Castro would make a nice team, but we’d prolly get more votes with at a token Protestant white male in the token spot.
Klobuchar has the midwest votes even in Trump districts. You could be brave and go all female with Harris/Klobuchar or vice versa or all ethnic with Castro/Harris or vice versa.
MSNBC just brought up the damage done to Gillibrand because of Franken and whether she could recover from the anger she stirred up with her harsh necktie party demands.
Al Franken podcast site: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-al-franken-podcast/
Politics tends to make me angry so I take refuge in David Hume. If it was true more than 300 years ago and we survived, we will probably make it through again.
Hi – not gone, just not online a lot right now. Busy life and long days means falling asleep in the blogger/vlogger recliner sometime around eight. If you want to see a “friendly” jellyfish take a look at the video I have up on my YouTube channel Buena Ventura Life.
Harris/Klobuchar is a hard hitting. I think the humour that Klobuchar spreads would be similar to what Biden did almost a generation ago under Obama.
I dropped a topic in the Dashboard Draft Bin. I hope it’s helpful.
I have no interest in seeing Gabbard, Yang, Bernie, Williamson, Bennett, De Blasio, or Gilliland win the nominations. I’d tolerate Biden pretty well, about the same as Hickenlooper, Ryan, O’Rourke, Delaney, and Buttigieg.
I’d prefer Klobuchar, Harris, Swalwell, Booker, Inslee, Warren, or Castro – in no particular order.
I think Harris and Swalwell would be a huge winner. The same goes for Warren or Klobuchar and Castro.
America will not elect a man that they know is a rapist and a russian tool. “Anyone who hates dogs and babies” may be a funny joke line*, but it could kill this raging gangster’s presidential campaign.
*Leo Rosten, 1939 Friars Club reference to W.C. Fields
Universal Health Care by Country
Are we going to live post for tonight?
Mr Rosten also wrote a great detective novel with a Yiddish glossary in back
SILKIE, book of the month.
One of my favorite writer-guys……
Oldie but Goodie from Rosten
The Joys of Yiddish
This is our live post for tonight.
Or do we want a new one?
I’m sort of warming up to Insley maybe vp in charge of climate goals
Can’t imagine who plans to end their campaign after last night and have no idea who has money to keep going and who doesn’t.
This one will do just fine as far as I’m concerned.
Just keept this one going. I hope some strangers drop in. Can we put up a sign that the natives are friendly?
Will anyone call Trump a rapist tonight?
Drinking game: Every time Biden says “Folks” or “Ladies and Gentlemen”
I wouldn’t survive the night
Always like to see Biden in cuff links.
Who’s the guy who doesn’t know how to put on a necktie?
Jerry Yang –he’s too rich to wear a necktie
Andrew Yang –he’s too rich to wear a necktie
We are getting our cocktails now
Biden attacks Trump 3 times in first answer.
Sanders calls Trump a phony, a liar and a fraud.
OK just got home. Did I miss anything?
Biden just said “Folks” gulp
Damn, I missed joe attacking SFB? Will have to watch the 1st 30 minutes. When I engaged Bernie! Was standing there sputtering. Nothing new there. Of the 10 minutes of this I’ve seen, give me Kamala.
Kamala doing well
Gillibrand is fiery. Bernie wilting as he deserves.
Biden not getting attacked, winning by default.
Don’t know Craig. Biden just feels “there”. That isn’t enough to be either nominated or elected.
Jamie, when you’re 20 points ahead just do no harm, especially when no one challenges you.
Buttigieg on why his city police force not racially diverse: “Because I couldn’t get it done.” Bye bye
As I mentioned above: Boring. Once the primaries start it could get him nominated, but limping into the finish is not exactly a winning plan. Kamala now taking him on and she is young and dynamic.
Kamala goes after Biden on race and busing. His response equivocal, changed subject to ERA. She won the moment.
Followed up by “Never Bernie” … Time for the old men to go home and knit.
Can someone use the hook on Gillibrand? Ditto Benet?
Does sticking against federal busing orders help Biden in general election?
This 30 second response limit is just idiotic.
Bernie, put your hand down. God!
More workable format might be group of 5 candidates for 1 hour rather than 10 candidates for 2 hours. 10 people flatly too many.
As a single mother during the “bussing” era in CA, I was opposed to bussing because I wanted to be able to get to my kids in an emergency. The original Kansas City bussing case had to do with being bussed past a white neighborhood school to get to a black one. No child should be on a freeway for an hour instead of making their local school equal to one where they are being sent.
Biden better get better ready for Kamala in a 5 candidate debate. He barely survived
It’s coming down to Biden, Harris, Castro, Klobuchar, Booker, and Warren.
Biden just said “folks” again. Gulp
Williamson: “Harness love” not fear. Like it
Biden: “I am running to lead this country because I think it is important to restore the soul of this nation. This president has ripped it out.”
LOL, so it was move aside Grandpa night and some weren’t even polite about it. Bet the first thing Biden has to do after this is change his depends. Got the crap beat out of him I hear.
Jack
Most memorable line of the night: Biden, “My time is up.”
I think the torch may very well have been passed tonight. That will help last night candidates too. Hey time to break out your nasty woman T shirt. Prediction, if Kamala is the candidate there will be no presidential debates. Donnie boy won’t want to be in the same state as Harris let alone the same room.
Kick ass lady, came to win.
Jack
Agree Jack. I was rooting for Uncle Joe but giving up. Primary calendar with California earlier than ever, plus if South Carolina blacks go for Kamala and she survives Iowa, NH this cake is baked. She put it in the oven tonight.
I missed a bit of it, but what I saw was Kamala holding court. I like it. Bernie was up there licking the tip of his little half pencil, making some notes on his little spiral notebook and holding up his hand, well, his finger, asking for either time to talk or permission to go to the bathroom. His time is past. Joe may be in the same boat.
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