56 thoughts on “Red States Already Require Vaccines”

  1. something a little different from trevor. might want to save it for listening when you have more time to really enjoy some good discussion that’s not just sound bites.

    Former President Barack Obama unpacks his hopes for inspiring a new generation of change-makers through his book “A Promised Land” and the Obama Foundation, the ways America’s position on the world stage has evolved, why the fight for justice calls for a variety of voices, and how he feels watching the latest chapters of history unfold since leaving public life. #DailyShow #TrevorNoah #BarackObama

  2. blueINdallassays:
    September 13, 2021 at 8:50 pm

    The most ludicrous and bougie event is underway and AOC is there.Hypocritical? Good use of the spotlight? Fodder for her future political opponents?
    “And since she was at fashion’s glitziest night, surrounded by some of the most powerful and famous people in the world, what better medium to get her message out about taxing the rich than, well, to have it written in red on her dress? “

    Tax The Rich. Hmmm, pretty everyone else at the Met Gala is rich. Did they know AOC meant them? Does she really just want to be one of them? Was she just enjoying the attention, the Vogue article, rubbing elbows with them or can she be moved off her path for a frock and a night on the town? Was this just a chance to make connections to raise funds for her next campaign? Who paid her way, and, was the dinner tax deductible?

  3. BiD, your post last night about the afghani female students wearing black robes vs western dress made me think about the students at oxford and other places who must adhere to dress codes at school. funny how similar requirements feel so very different and onerous depending on the philosophical circumstances behind them. 

    Academic dress | University of Oxford

    Student gowns

  4. blueINdallassays:
    September 13, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    Since it’s Fashion Week in NYC, culminating in the ridiculous Met Gala, here’s some fashion news that matters.
    “On Saturday photos emerged of a group of female students wearing head-to-toe black robes and waving Taliban flags in the lecture hall of a government-run university in Kabul.”
    “Afghan women around the world are protesting the Taliban’s new hijab requirement in schools by posting photos of themselves wearing colorful traditional dresses on social media.“
    “Jalali quote-tweeted a picture of a woman in a full black dress and veil and said: “No woman has ever dressed like this in the history of Afghanistan. This is utterly foreign and alien to Afghan culture. I posted my pic in the traditional Afghan dress to inform, educate, and dispel the misinformation that is being propagated by Taliban.”
    If the Taliban expects foreign aid, there needs to be equality for the women of Afghanistan.

  5. PatD – What folks have to wear to do whatever it is, we’ll, it’s quite different from facing a beating or worse if you don’t wear it.

    As for the Abbott and DeSantis, they must be racing to hell because they want to be Veep to Orange Adolf so very badly. Here’s hoping the new book sinks them a bit more.

  6. back to vaccines, an excerpt from the hill:

    A Politico-Morning Consult poll released Monday found 58 percent of respondents support mandating COVID-19 vaccination or weekly testing for businesses with more than 100 employees.

    Fifty-seven percent of the registered voters surveyed support requiring federal workers to get the shot, and 60 percent backed requirements for most health care workers to get vaccinated.

    Separately, a CNN poll released the same day found 54 percent of respondents support requiring the COVID-19 vaccine for workers to return to the office. Majorities also supported vaccine mandates for students attending in-person classes and for attending sporting events or concerts.


  7. “it’s quite different from facing a beating or worse if you don’t wear it.”

    BiD, i agree.  not exactly the same as being rapped on the knuckles with a ruler by a nun for dress code violations at a parochial school.

  8. Well here in the top case spike state the first county in the state has announced that it’s closing schools and going to all remote learning. Preston County made its school closure announcement yesterday. And so the stupidity’s effects start to show once again. 

  9. A follow on to the Preston County remote learning announcement from our local rag. From the Exponent Telegram
    Superintendent Steve Wotring announced in a video on Monday: 

    […]“As we are once again in the midst of a COVID crisis, we must take immediate action,” he said. “Today in Preston County Schools, we have right at 1,000 students who are absent. I can’t confirm that all of those are COVID-related, even though we know that many are COVID positive or quarantined because of an exposure to an individual who tested positive.”

    There are also problems staffing schools, Wotring said.

    “Today, I have eight classrooms that are unfilled, because we just do not have enough substitutes to fill all the vacancies that we have,” he said Monday. “This includes both service personnel and professional personnel.”

    Since Thursday, Preston County has seen 256 new, confirmed COVID-19 cases. The number of school-age children with the virus was not immediately available.

    Low vaccine rates, low use of masks and social distancing lead to case rates greater than 100/100,000. Gee, who could have seen this coming?

  10. Staffing troubles continue everywhere, but I would prefer that the unvaccinated and the partially unvaccinated just stay home.


    “But a large number of Texans apparently have decided to stick with one dose of the two-dose Moderna or Pfizer vaccines: 1.89 million have missed their second dose as of Sept. 6, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services. More than 1 million of them are more than 90 days overdue for their second dose. That means that of those who received a first dose, 11% haven’t gotten their second shot within the recommended time frame.”

  11. Tucker Carlson Said He Lies on TV When He Gets ‘Really Cornered’ (insider.com)

    Carlson made the comment on September 12 while speaking to conservative show host Dave Rubin on an episode of the “The Rubin Report.” In the episode, Rubin questioned how CNN anchors Chris Cuomo and Brian Stelter live with themselves “when they just lie again and again and we have the internet to expose the lies.”
    In response, Carlson told Rubin what he does to get out of a tight spot.
    “I mean, I lie if I’m really cornered or something,” Carlson said. “I lie. I really try not to. I try never to lie on TV. I just don’t — I don’t like lying. I certainly do it, you know, out of weakness or whatever.”
    “There have been many times in the 25 years I’ve been on TV where I think, you know, are we using this very substantial power that we have to put pictures on the screen to hurt weak people? And I have done that inadvertently over the years, because I got carried away. But I really try not to,” Carlson said, saying he only hits “upward” at those richer, more powerful, and stronger than himself.
    Carlson’s comments to Rubin come one year after Fox News won a court case by arguing that no “reasonable viewer” could take Carlson seriously.

  12. Big News reacts to Republican outrage over national COVID mandates, Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani’s strange behavior on the 20th anniversary of 9/11, and the scandal that rocked the Creative Arts Emmys as “Tooning Out the News” loses to “Carpool Karaoke” with legendary filmmaker Barry Sonnenfeld.

  13. a glimmer of hope ?

    the hill:

    A group of Senate Democrats unveiled new voting rights legislation on Tuesday in another attempt by the party to pass sweeping changes to federal elections in the face of a GOP filibuster. 
    The new bill, called the Freedom to Vote Act, was released by Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), along with several co-sponsors, including Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Tim Kaine (Va.), Jon Tester (Mont.) and Raphael Warnock (Ga.), according to a statement from Klobuchar’s office shared with The Hill. 
    The legislation builds on a framework proposed earlier this year by Manchin as well as the sweeping For the People Act, which was blocked in June by Senate Republicans. 
    The new bill, which still faces an uphill battle in the Senate to reach the 60 votes needed to overcome a GOP filibuster, would implement an array of changes to federal elections, including making Election Day a federal holiday, and implementing an automatic online voter registration system in each state. 
    The legislation would also mandate that each state offer same-day voter registration at all polling locations by 2024, and calls for a broad range of cards and documents to qualify as proof of identification for in-person voting, according to the statement.
    Following the 2020 elections in which more Americans voted than ever before, we have seen unprecedented attacks on our democracy in states across the country.” Klobuchar, chair of the Senate Rules Committee, said on Tuesday.
    “These attacks demand an immediate federal response,” she added. 
    She went on to note that the new bill has the backing of “the entire voting rights working group, including Senators Manchin and [Jeff] Merkley [(D-Ore.)],” adding that the legislation “will set basic national standards to make sure all Americans can cast their ballots in the way that works best for them, regardless of what zip code they live in.” 

  14. CORRECTION to my 6:45 a.m. comment.  According to the WaPo tracker, WV has the 6th highest case rate per 100,000 at 99 per 100K (5th if you don’t count Guam), a 17% 7 day rolling average increase.  The local news guys said we had the highest increase in cases nationwide.  Either they are using a different database or were just wrong – or WaPo is, or… but I am just a pawn in the game of life (or Covid-19 reporting).

  15. Hah!  Apple News has as one of its featured articles today “How to Navigate a Midlife Crisis.”  Well, that came out way to late for me – like 30 years too late.  Luckily I did OK and stayed off the rocks mostly – thanks in large part to Mrs. P.

  16. Pogo

    Volunteering.  She lives in Sacramento.  She used to work for the Rancho Cordova police department now is on call for various volunteer/emergency events.


  17. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/investing/wells-fargo-elizabeth-warren/index.htmlI

    “Warren urged the Fed to revoke Wells Fargo’s status as a financial holding company and require the company to separate its traditional banking activities from nonbanking activities. In effect, that would break up one of the nation’s largest lenders. Warren pointed out the Bank Holding Company Act requires financial holding companies to be both “well capitalized” and “well managed.”
    “The only way these consumers and their bank accounts can be kept safe is through another institution —one whose business model is not dependent on swindling customers for every last penny they can get,” Warren wrote.“

  18. Not to be a conspiracy theorist but I’m beginning to think our Scientist/leaders are not exactly being honest about the delta variant.
    My worries started as I listened to NPR as I went to a family get together last month. It seems a family went to Disneyland and both the vaccinated parents caught covid as did one of their children. Then, at the gathering my ex bil stopped by to tell his children their Aunt(who had been vaccinated) was in the hospital and on a respirator, the culprit? Covid.
    It turns out not only was she vaccinated but she had also caught covid once before. This tells me the variety she had is totally different animal than last years covid. BTW her previous experience was a very mild case of covid.
    So we aren’t even close to out of the woods IMO and we had better get Fing serious not just here but world wide.
    Just a data point of 1, but worrisome.
    Edit: She is now out of the hospital, weak but recovering

  19. jack, there are a lot of “depends on” about that: was her vaccination pfizer, moderna or J&J? were the 2 doses  administered properly timewise and effectively take (depends on her base immune system), how long ago? has she other contributing immunological problems?  and has she been careful to maskup or stay clear of dense crowds?

    a lot of unknowns.  still the vax (whichever one) is not 100% effective — see Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Frontline Workers Before and During B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Eight U.S. Locations, December 2020–August 2021 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

    the 2 mNRA are reported to be 90% which means 10% of folks taking it are likely to get full-blown nasty covid with all the trimmings.

  20. and none of them promise that the vaccinated won’t get covid, they just assure that one’s not likely to die from covid. 

  21. another must read book  (especially by the jan 6 committee)

    Bob Woodward and Robert Costa’s new book “Peril” takes a look into the White House under Trump’s presidency and reveals a private phone call between General Milley and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

  22. excerpt of some more inside stuff according to

    “Peril” also describes the tense encounter in the Oval Office on January 5 when Trump pressured Pence to overturn the results of the election. While the showdown went on inside, the two men could hear MAGA supporters cheering and chanting outside near Pennsylvania Avenue.
    “If these people say you had the power, wouldn’t you want to?” Trump asked.
    “I wouldn’t want any one person to have that authority,” Pence said.
    “But wouldn’t it be almost cool to have that power?” Trump asked, according to Woodward and Costa.
    “No,” Pence said. He went on, “I’ve done everything I could and then some to find a way around this. It’s simply not possible.”
    When Pence did not budge, Trump turned on him.
    “No, no, no!” Trump shouted, according to the authors. “You don’t understand, Mike. You can do this. I don’t want to be your friend anymore if you don’t do this.”
    Trump called Pence again the morning of January 6. “If you don’t do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago,” Trump said, according to the authors. “You’re going to wimp out,” he said, his anger visible to others in the office.
    Even though Pence stood up to Trump in the end, “Peril” reveals that after four years of abject loyalty, he struggled with the decision. Woodward and Costa write that Pence reached out to Dan Quayle, who had been the vice president to George H.W. Bush, seeking his advice.Vice President Mike Pence speaks during a visit to Rock Springs Church to campaign for GOP Senate candidates on January 4, 2021 in Milner, Georgia.Vice President Mike Pence speaks during a visit to Rock Springs Church to campaign for GOP Senate candidates on January 4, 2021 in Milner, Georgia.
    Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do.
    “Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” Quayle told him.
    Pence pressed again.
    “You don’t know the position I’m in,” he said, according to the authors.
    “I do know the position you’re in,” Quayle responded. “I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That’s all you do. You have no power.”

  23. Craig, I suspect you’ve got an apples to apples problem. if you do a correct apples to apples I suspect the  numbers more like this. White population has dropped to 72% from 80%.
    The nonhispanic white numbers fell from around 46% in 2000 to 36% 2019 est..  categories for race are white , Black, Asian, Native North/ South American and Pacific Islander.
    Hispanic is ethnicity and as such be classified in any of the racial categories.

  24. (CNN)A new analysis published Tuesday estimates that preventable costs for treating hospitalized, unvaccinated Covid-19 patients reached $5.7 billion over the last three months.

    This most recent data takes into account the surge in hospitalizations seen in August, which study authors estimate accounted for $3.7 billion of preventable spending alone.
    The data analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation found, using data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, as well as studies on health care costs, that each preventable Covid-19 hospitalization costs about $20,000.

  25. Amazon has raised it’s starting pay to $18.00 bucks an hour.

    Biden toured the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise and met with fire officials as part of his visit. He said his administration would provide pay bonuses and incentives for federal firefighters to ensure they made $15 an hour, and that they deserve more.



  26. Read that Larry Elder story,  they’re road testing the 2022  elections  the  Big Lie 2.0. 
    I am reminded of Al Franken’s  book –
    “Lies, and the Lying Lairs Who Tell Them”. 

  27. The whole “Red Carpet”  event thing was  invented by a Mohawk salesman from Georgia  in the 1920’s to sell more carpet.  ( A total lie)
    I am really tired  of watching rich people , and hearing about their feelings, feuds, and troubles. 
    The time has come to stop feeding this beast.  Given the amount of rotting carpet we are throwing out each year. 
    That being said has anyone here ever seen a story about just where we are burying all this moldy  sheet rock, rotting carpets , and stinking freezers ?  

  28. I had an eye-opener awhile back.  I went with the old guy to the dump with some junk and garbage and whatnot. First time I’d ever been there.  Now, when I call it “the dump”, you know that sounds kind of quaint or something. It was huge. Like mountains.   It was nasty. It smelled. It was awful. It was like Hades.  It ain’t quaint and it’s on some serious acreage.

  29. Tax the Rich Dress  –
    One of the largest google news feeds  you will ever see .
    Much of it yews  to the “Fair and Balanced”  thing.  A or B ?
    Yes or No ?  
    Brings me back to that question …….
    A pound of  Bullshit and a pound of Gold. 
    That is fair and balanced.  All though fresh Bullshit  weighs more that dry Bullshit. 

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