Involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide?

Is he purposeful or just plain without care in killing tens of thousands who otherwise could have been saved?
If intentionally, willfully negligent, why?

Who benefits from the destabilizing of America and the undermining of democracy?

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  1. bloomberg businessweek:

    Using statistical analysis, it concludes that 40,000 lives would have been saved in two months if a national mask mandate for employees of public-facing businesses had gone into effect on April 1 and had been strictly obeyed. The analysis was for the months of April and May; presumably even more lives would have been saved if a mandate had been in place up to the present.
    The study is by Victor Chernozhukov of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Hiroyuki Kasahara and Paul Schrimpf of the University of British Columbia’s Vancouver School of Economics. It was published online on July 7 by the Center for Economic Policy Research.
    […]
    They estimated that mandating masks for employees in public would have reduced the death toll by 40%, or about 40,000 lives, with a 90% chance that the actual number would have been from 17,000 lives to 55,000 lives. “Mandating masks is an attractive policy instrument especially because it involves relatively little economic disruption,” they concluded.

  2. PBS Newshour:

    White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany again pushed the Trump administration position Thursday that all schools should reopen in the fall, despite a surge in virus cases and hospitalizations.

    “We don’t think our children should be locked up at home with devastating consequences when it’s perfectly safe for them to go to school,” McEnany said at the White House press briefing.
    “The science should not stand in the way of this,” McEnany told reporters.

    clarification of what ms ninny’s boss told her in the oval office: “The science AND CHILDREN’S, TEACHERS’ AND BUS DRIVERS’ LIVES should not stand in the way of this,”

  3. from the legaldictionary link:

    As a very general category, criminal homicide covers a broad range of situations and criminal offenses. In some circumstances, homicide is not considered a crime, including in cases where a person kills in self-defense. Homicide involving negligence, however, constitutes a criminal act, often called criminally negligent homicide.
    Typically, criminal homicide is broken down into two additional categories: murder and manslaughter. The defendant’s mental state and intentions at the time of the crime set the three apart.
    […]
    In proving negligent homicide, the prosecution would establish that the defendants knew the risks associated with their actions.
    [….]
    Manslaughter is the act of killing another person without malice aforethought. Since it does not involve intent or premeditation, the punishment is less severe than that of murder. Manslaughter has two primary forms: voluntary and involuntary.
    Voluntary manslaughter involves killing in the heat of passion. One example is when a spouse has an immediate violent reaction upon finding their husband or wife committing adultery.
    Involuntary manslaughter is the least serious classification of homicide. Often used interchangeably with homicide of a negligent nature, it occurs when a person unintentionally kills another through a careless or reckless act.

  4. from same link as above:

    In order to establish criminal liability, the prosecution must prove every element of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. These elements vary depending on the criminal act and state statutes. In all criminally negligent homicide examples, the prosecution must show that the crime included the following elements:
    The defendant was aware of the risks associated with the actions that led to the other person’s death.
    The defendant acted, or failed to act appropriately in a dangerous situation, and that action or inaction caused the victim’s death.
    There is a direct link between the defendant’s conduct and the victim’s death.

    so what say ye, jury, guilty or not guilty?

  5. The Southern Poverty Law Center adds SFB bff Stephen Miller to its list of hate mongers.  SFB is too stupid to do a lot of things, and one is a coherent plan to attack people of any color and religion in a way that actually works.  Miller is the one behind the plan. 

  6. The biggest problem the US has is that we are basically 50 countries in search of a government.  For the most part this means the governors can act independently of the national interest.  Or in the current condition, the Federal government can act against the national interest by trying to blackmail the states into acting against their interest.

    The hodgepodge means there is no unity of actions to benefit the whole of the country.

    The interview of Jimmy Fallon with Tom Hanks revealed the difference since the Hanks were in Australia that had procedures in place:  Symptoms, Fever Check, quarantine, contact trace and hospitalize if necessary.    Having those rules in place, flattened the infection curve rapidly and they are now effectively in stage 3 of recovery and return to schools beginning but no mass gatherings (sporting events) as yet.

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/how-to-protect-yourself-and-others-from-coronavirus-covid-19/limits-on-public-gatherings-for-coronavirus-covid-19

     

  7. SFB is now claiming that schools aren’t opening up just to hurt him.  He falsely claims that it’s just political.  He doesn’t care if your kids get sick and die.  He doesn’t care if teachers and support staff get sick and die.  He doesn’t care if kids infect their parents, who then end up being orphaned.  
    Someone is putting that bug in his brain. It could be Poo-tin or one of Poo-tin’s operatives working within the administration.  It could be coming from a Russian asset at Faux Noise.  He is incapable of coming up with this on his own, but he can be played quite easily. By making this about him, about the election, instead of the health of citizens and the well-being of the country, he will spout off like a mindless monster.
    Who benefits from a weaker America?  Not our allies in England, Germany, etc.  Not Americans.  
    Aside from an ego trip, what is tRumpsky getting out of destroying America? 

  8. add the republican AG of KY to the list of enablers & abettors for Rump.  here’s an oped in louisville courier journal by gerth to get the idea:

    Attorney General Daniel Cameron is trying to become the most prolific serial killer in Kentucky’s history.
    Move over Donald Harvey. The “Angel of Death” ain’t got nothing on the “Lawyer of Lethality” or the “Counselor of Carnage.”
    Cameron filed a motion on Wednesday asking a judge in Northern Kentucky to strike down every order or directive Gov. Andy Beshear has signed in an attempt to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
    If Cameron is successful, people will die.
    He wants to reopen every business in Kentucky without any of the rules Beshear has put into place to keep us safe.
    No hand-washing. No sanitizer. No masks. No 6 feet. 
    No nothing. 
    […]
    People will be bellied up to bars shoulder-to-shoulder.
    And day care centers will be overrun with dozens and dozens of 2-foot-tall, runny-nosed little infection machines. 
    Freedom, buddy.
    He doesn’t give a damn if you live or die.
    Cameron especially doesn’t care if your mother or father or grannie or papaw die.
    That will happen if Cameron is successful in lifting Beshear’s orders that have kept Kentucky well below the national average in coronavirus cases and COVID-19 deaths during this pandemic.
    […]
    For the murders he committed, Harvey spent the rest of his life in prison. Cameron is hoping that for his role in these deaths, he’ll be sentenced to life in the U.S. Senate.

  9. Who benefits from the destabilizing of America and the undermining of democracy?
     
    In a word….   Russia.
     
    Gave up one of my favorite shows (Restaurant Impossible) last night in order to watch Rachel interview Mary Trump.  Glad I did it!

  10. BTW, this from CNN about cameron:

    Cameron is the first black candidate ever elected as attorney general in Kentucky and the first Republican to hold that office in seven decades. He is also a McConnell protege, having served as the senator’s general counsel from 2015-2017.

  11. …let’s just settle for “high crimes and misdemeanors” and be done with this clown, already.

  12. Impeach him, again!  It’s not as if Republicans can claim they have more important shit to do.

  13. “Involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide?”
    I’m reading Mary Trump’s book via Audible.  She’s reading it. 
     
    Via the book, Trump just doesn’t care! Period.
     
    Excellent book. The genealogy of the family explains the horrible  human being the orange bucket of mental illness is. But, it doesn’t excuse it by a long shot!

  14. Feds are back to deploying unidentified military forces against non-violent protesters, this time in Portland even tho mayor and governor don’t want them there. 

  15. Ruth Bader Ginsburg…   you are my hero!
    I wish nothing but the best for you and yours!

  16. bink, too bad impeachment is the only recourse. They’ve been there done that though and won’t try again. Were he not prez, those criminal charges would be viable; but we literally are in a time when a president can get away with murder, serial murder at that.  

  17. Concluding line in Jennifer Rubin’s current column.

    Democrats should be forthright: Trump and Republican governors’ reckless actions have caused avoidable illness and death and could result in horrifying scenes of triage like those we saw in Italy. In continuing to interfere with and disregard medical experts, they jeopardize thousands more. Never have we seen a political party so irresponsibly endanger so many lives.

    Yes indeed.  

  18. the daily beast:

    Eighteen states are in the “red zone” for COVID-19 cases and should revert back to more stringent lockdown measures, according to a White House document that wasn’t publicly released. The document, obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, was prepared for the White House Coronavirus Task Force and was shared widely within the federal government. However, for unknown reasons, the document wasn’t made available to the public. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, said: “The fact that it’s not public makes no sense to me… Why are we hiding this information from the American people? This should be published and updated every day.” The 18 states are considered to be in the “red zone” because they had more than 100 new cases per 100,000 people last week. They are Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Nevada, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah.

  19. I’d like to see warrants issued by Oregon for the arrest of chad wolf and ken cuccinelli, for inciting to riot and conspiracy to impersonate Oregon/Portland police officers.

  20. Good luck and thoughts and prayers and everything else to the Notorious RBG! After this election Mary Trump and associates should be employed & implored to thoroughly test and examine each and every presidential and vice-presidential candidate! 

  21. So I’m just wondering here how it has taken over 4 months to bring no charges against any of the cops who were involved in the raid on Breonna Taylor’s home and her shooting death but it took only as long as it took to book the 87 protesters who sat on the lawn in front of the Kentucky AG’s house because after 4 months no charges have been brought.

  22. :Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg says her cancer has returned and that chemotherapy is yielding positive results. In a statement, she said that her most recent scan July 7 “indicated significant reduction of the liver lesions and no new disease.”
    In the statement, Ginsburg said she began a course of chemotherapy (gemcitabine) on May 19 after a periodic scan in February, followed by a biopsy, revealed lesions on her liver. She said her recent hospitalizations to remove gallstones and treat an infection were unrelated to the recurrence of the cancer.
    “Immunotherapy first essayed proved unsuccessful. The chemotherapy course, however, is yielding positive results,” the statement said. The statement added: “I am tolerating chemotherapy well and am encouraged by the success of my current treatment. I will continue bi-weekly chemotherapy to keep my cancer at bay, and am able to maintain an active daily routine. ”
    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892293736/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-has-cancer-again-says-she-will-remain-on-the-court?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news

  23. “Georgia Gov. Kemp urges people to wear masks despite suing Atlanta over mask mandate”
     
    All you make of these Trump reubes is that they’re bat-shit crazy!
     

    “Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp urged residents Friday to wear a face mask when in public. 
    His call for face coverings comes two days after he blocked local officials from enforcing their own rules to further prevent the spread of Covid-19”
     

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/17/georgia-gov-kemp-urges-people-to-wear-masks-after-suing-atlanta-over-mask-mandate.html

     
     

  24. pogo, FYI cameron the KY AG & mitch protege and FBI are in charge of investigating the breonna taylor case ostensibly for an objective take on the matter. does that answer your why?

  25. Another one for the mental illness ward. It’s going to take a BIG campus to hold them all. Ot’s old news but worth repeating for the deniers. 
     
    “Chuck Woolery says ‘everyone is lying’ about coronavirus, then reveals son’s diagnosis”
    “Democrats and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said a day later that his son was diagnosed with the disease.
    His Twitter account no longer existed on Wednesday.
    “The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust,” Woolery wrote Sunday night without citing evidence.
    “I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it,” he added.
    His tweet was retweeted by President Donald Trump.”
     
    From one game show host to another!
     
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chuck-woolery-says-everyone-lying-190516391.html
     
     
     
     

  26. patd,  I know what they are saying- and I’m questioning how it could take so long to investigate.  The optics are terrible.  
     
    Poobah, WTF year is it?  1933?

  27. Wapo article on the mess in Portland.

    Federal customs officials said Friday that their agents had detained a demonstrator in Portland, Ore., who had described being “terrified” by an encounter with unidentified men in military fatigues, offering a defense amid intense criticism of accounts of federal officials circulating in the city in unmarked cars.
     
    Mark Pettibone, a 29-year-old demonstrator, told The Washington Post he was scared when men in green military fatigues and generic “police” patches jumped out of an unmarked minivan early Wednesday. Reports of similar incidents have sparked condemnation from civil-rights activists and lawmakers.
     
    Pettibone told The Post in an interview he did not know who detained him. In a statement on Friday, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said its agents had taken the action and that they “had information indicating the person in the video was suspected of assaults against federal agents or destruction of federal property.”
     
    When the agents approached him, Customs said, “a large and violent mob moved towards their location. For everyone’s safety, CBP agents quickly moved the suspect to a safer location for further questioning.”
     
    The agency also disputed his description of not knowing who detained him, saying: “The CBP agents identified themselves and were wearing CBP insignia during the encounter. The names of the agents were not displayed due to recent doxing incidents against law enforcement personnel who serve and protect our country.”
     
    In Pettibone’s account, when several men in fatigues approached him, his first instinct was to run.
     
    He did not know whether the men were police or far-right extremists, who frequently don militarylike outfits and harass left-leaning protesters in Portland. The 29-year-old resident said he made it about a half-block before he realized there would be no escape.
     
    Then, he sank to his knees, hands in the air.
     
    “I was terrified,” Pettibone said. “It seemed like it was out of a horror/sci-fi, like a Philip K. Dick novel. It was like being preyed upon.”
     
    He was detained and searched. One man asked him if he had any weapons; he did not. They drove him to the federal courthouse and placed him in a holding cell, he said. Two officers eventually returned to read his Miranda rights and ask if he would waive those rights to answer a few questions; he did not.
     
    And almost as suddenly as they had grabbed him off the street, the men let him go. The federal officers who snatched him off the street as he was walking home from a peaceful protest did not tell him why he had been detained or provide him any record of an arrest, he told The Post. As far as he knows, he has not been charged with any crimes.
    * * *
    Trump has cheered harsh tactics by officers in Portland, and the acting Homeland Security secretary has vowed to keep federal forces in Portland until local leaders “publicly condemn what the violent anarchists are doing.”

    “We’ve done a great job in Portland,” Trump said at a news conference on Monday. “Portland was totally out of control, and they went in, and I guess we have many people right now in jail. We very much quelled it, and if it starts again, we’ll quell it again very easily. It’s not hard to do, if you know what you’re doing.”

    Yet the scene on Portland’s streets late Thursday reflected a different reality.

    Protesters once again filled the streets in downtown, defiantly moving fencing meant to keep the crowd away from the Multnomah County Justice Center. And once again, federal officers launched tear gas into the protest.

    As police, both local and federal, have responded to demonstrators with increasing force, the protests have grown more unwieldy and determined. Neither side appears ready to surrender.

    “Once you’re out on the street and you’ve been tear-gassed and you see that there’s no reason — the police will claim that there’s a riot just so they can use tear gas — it makes you want to go out there even more to see if there can be any kind of justice,” Pettibone told The Post.

    How do you spell pretext?

     

  28. tRUMP is out of control.  He’s gone rogue and his handlers at Faux Noise are trying to reign him in a bit?  Too late.  It’s time for to shut down Orange Julius now! 

    So, tRUMP’s goons illegally detained someone in Portland? Yep, it’s time to shut this Nazi crap the eff down, now.

    But not a peep about it on national, evening news. They always say there’s breaking news, but now that’s it’s really here, crickets.

  29. Is there anything patients could note on their hospital admission forms re: only reporting to the CDC?

  30. White House portraits of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush moved from prominent space to rarely used room

    President Andrés Manuel López Obrador. The two stood in the Cross Hall of the White House and made remarks, with the portraits of Clinton and Bush essentially looking on as they had been throughout Trump’s first term.
    But in the days after after that, the Clinton and Bush portraits were moved into the Old Family Dining Room, a small, rarely used room that is not seen by most visitors.

     

     

    That places the paintings well outside of Trump’s vantage point in the White House. In their previous location, the pictures would have been seen daily as Trump descends the staircase from his third floor private residence or when he hosts events on the state floor of the White House. Now, they hang in a space used mainly for storing unused tablecloths and furniture.

    The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    What a petty thin-skinned punk Trump is. I really hate him. I hate this time in this country. To those who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton, FU!!!

  31.  

    @HillaryClinton

    1h

     

    It was. See:
    The last four years.

     
    thehill

    5h
    Kellyanne Conway: “President Trump took on Hillary Clinton in all 3 debates. She looked like it was an indignity to share the stage with him.”

     

  32. better study up in wiki on the Sturmabteilung und Braunhemden (adolph’s storm troopers aka brownshirts) to get an idea of what the Rump’s up to in Portland.   we’ll surely be seeing more of them.

  33. bailey makes the news and starts a movement.  the hill:

    Following Guest’s tweet, lawmakers, celebrities, activists and thousands other social media users began tweeting the hashtag #Dogs4Biden, according to The Washington Post. The hashtag was promoted by The Lincoln Project, an anti-Trump GOP super PAC.

     

     

     

  34. “ Basically Trump is trying to create his own personal paramilitary force at DHS.” -CC
     
    …the Romans called it the “Praetorian Guard”.
     
    …good news is the Praetorian Guard killed a few emperors.
     
    …bad news is that nothing good ever came of it.

  35. A Giant Moral Force Has Left Us
    Congressman John Robert Lewis (born February 21, 1940 – July 17, 2020)
     
    Whence come such another ?

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