End of Post-World War II Order?

Britain’s new Prime Minister Boris Johnson is assembling a government bent on leaving the European Union by the end of October.

Richard Haass

I am a fan of Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations (Jim Webb once told me he thinks Haass would make a great Secretary of State).

On CNN Sunday Haass offered his views on the split between Britain and Europe:

“It will be bad for Europe. It will be even worse for the United Kingdom. Indeed I think it puts in jeopardy whether it remains united. Looking at it from the American point of view we lose a powerful partner on the continent that can’t really use its voice anymore with Europe. And to some extent it puts, not in jeopardy, but it’s part of a larger pattern we’re seeing in international relations where the post-World War II order is coming apart.”

In other words, Putin is still winning.

Isn’t it ironic that fascists in the West are taking us back?


Author: craigcrawford

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41 thoughts on “End of Post-World War II Order?”

  1. With Coats leaving and a cult member taking his place I wonder at which point Speaker Pelosi will leave the political world which no longer exists and starts the articles of impeachement?

  2. Baltimore… where SFB in law JK is a slumlord cited for rodent infestation in the apartments he rents there. Is doubling down on racism a winning election strategy?  I hope not. 

  3. The Gilroy Garlic Festival is one of the most joyous of CA celebrations.  The three days of music and food is an event to put on the bucket list.  Everyone should taste garlic ice cream in their life.  Yesterday was Mariachi day on the main stage which meant a large Mexican attendance .  It was also the day another white man decided hatred needed to be expressed.  That man is now dead.  So is a beautiful six year old, Stephen Romero in addition to others.

    Stephen Romero, the 6-year-old killed during the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting, was a “loving boy,” who will be remembered by his family as “kind” and “happy.”



  4. pogo, something to think about from the guardian:

    Like other outlets, the Sun pointed out that Trump’s vision of Cummings’ district as some sort of urban hell showed an ignorance of its true boundaries, which extend into suburbs and rural areas outside the city of Baltimore. In fact Trump’s own housing secretary, Ben Carson, has a house in the district.


    ‘course what do you expect from trump who no doubt thinks all people of color look alike and who may really have meant the tweet to be about his urban housing sec.

    BTW, be sure to check out that link on ben’s house

  5. craig, you write  BoJo “ is assembling a government bent on leaving the European Union….” and I think trump is well on his way to have already assembled a government here bent on disuniting our democracy.  he’s got sycophants in the most powerful high places to help him – the U.S. senate, the attorney general,  scotus and now the director of the intel community.     

    methinks he (or his puppet meister) has taken to heart the motto

    “United We Stand, Divided We Fall”

    and has opted for the fall 


  6. I think the arguments that the UK leaving the EU is bad are completely wrong.

    Any form of a large-scale European Union today, whether it is political or economic, are Second Wave / Industrial Era ideas that Europeans have been talking about for decades. They are based on the notion that a unified market and large, centralized federal bureaucracy are necessities. However, they were dated concepts when deployed over the last few years. Technology and personalization has completely made them both obsolete and unnecessary, as well as incompatible with modern society.

    What we are seeing across Europe, and indeed in most Third and Fourth Wave societies, is that localization and personalization are the economic and political drivers. The larger and more removed a bureaucracy is from local concerns, the more people want to sever ties to it.

    In Europe, the growing opposition to regulations on everything from immigration and worker visas, to farming, the environment, and taxation, shows that the big government advocates are force-feeding a Pan European vision on populations that do not share the politicians views of European unity, or common heritage, or common destiny.  What’s more, the economic disparity between regions and countries can be so great that the common currency has created huge problems, and attempts at standardization create huge challenges and cause resentment.

    Take the Catalan independence drive. The Spanish Courts and government have tried to increase its political and economic control. True freedom-loving people would see that each time Catalan voices were heard, the Spanish government sought to restrict those voices. First declaring a binding vote unconstitutional, then rejecting a non-binding resolution. After each heavy-handed result from the larger, centralized government seeking to maintain its power, the result was an even louder demand for total independence.

    We have seen similar desires for greater, more personalized control over economic and political destinies over the decades in Europe – going back to the break-up of Yugoslavia and the separation of Czechoslovakia. There are dozens of independence movements today in Europe. Movements in Poland (Silesia), Scotland, and Italy are well known. Others are growing. People are less aware that 1 in three Bavarians want independence from Germany.

    Overall, ending trade agreements with Europe does not harm the UK. Because Europe and the UK have significant trade, both sides will reach agreements and make concessions. What we are witnessing now is the sour-grapes reaction from European bureaucrats, and the doom and gloom from globalist government dreamers who thought the post-leave vote was going to destroy the British economy. When the smoke from the post-Leave vote fireworks quickly cleared, attention has shifted to post-Leave-Leave moment. In reality, once the UK’s departure is finally final, agreements will be reached between the UK and Europe, and both sides will move on.

    The best step for the U.S. is to stop living in Future Shock, and use the modern trends to its advantage. We can enhance our trade and economic position over Europe following the UK’s withdrawal by phasing-out NATO, which is another obsolete, Second Wave institution. Forcing Europe to invest in its own defense and serve as its own counter-weight to Russia, will save the U.S. tens of billions every year, and start to balance the scales. No longer will European nations be able to use U.S. taxpayers to both subsidize their defense and security, and underwrite their social welfare systems.

  7. Kushner’s Balto holdings are much more extensive than I realized as pointed out by WaPo in this article fromthis morning’s paper.

     In a now-viral tweetstorm on Saturday, President Trump characterized Rep. Elijah E. Cummings’s Baltimore-based congressional district as a “rodent infested mess” where “no human” would want to live.
    His criticism rang with a particular irony in Baltimore County, where presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner owns more than a dozen apartment complexes that have been cited for hundreds of code violations and, critics say, provide substandard housing to lower-income tenants.
    In an interview Saturday, Baltimore County Executive John A. Olszewski Jr. condemned Trump’s comments as “an attack on basic decency.”
    “It is certainly ironic that the president’s own son-in-law was complicit in contributing to some of the neglect that the president purports to be so concerned about,” Olszewski (D) added.
    Kushner Cos., which started operating in Maryland in 2013, has owned almost 9,000 rental units across 17 complexes, many of them in Baltimore County, the Baltimore Sun reported earlier this year.
    The properties generate at least $90 million in annual revenue. Kushner stepped down as chief executive of the company in 2017, when he became a senior White House adviser.
    * * *
    n 2017, Baltimore County officials revealed that apartments owned by the Kushner firm were responsible for more than 200 code violations, all accrued in the span of the calendar year. Repairs were made only after the county threatened fines, local officials said, and even after warnings, violations on nine properties were not addressed, resulting in monetary sanctions.

    Who’s contributing to what?

  8. Yeah, lets just throw out the institutions that have created the longest peace that Europe has ever known. I’m always amazed at the number of people who think there is a magic process and if we would just get those nasty bureaucrats out of the way all would be heaven. The libertarian fairy would sprinkle magic dust on us all, I guess. 
    Absolutely no understanding of the hard work it took to get us where we are or how easy it can all fall apart. 

  9. Michael, welcome to the trail.  best get a better horse to bet on then your argument which sounds like a rewording of certain tweets by certain tweeters:

    We can enhance our trade and economic position over Europe following the UK’s withdrawal by phasing-out NATO, which is another obsolete, Second Wave institution. Forcing Europe to invest in its own defense and serve as its own counter-weight to Russia, will save the U.S. tens of billions every year, and start to balance the scales. No longer will European nations be able to use U.S. taxpayers to both subsidize their defense and security, and underwrite their social welfare systems.

    might “save the U.S. tens of billions every year” in the short short term, but will cost hundreds of billions more when we have to stall off wwIII again….if there’s anything left of the world or humans that is.

  10. from another believer in the fall option on the “United We Stand, Divided We Fall” scale


    courier journal:  Sen. Rand Paul offers Rep. Ilhan Omar a trip back to Somalia to ‘appreciate America more’

  11. Michael, Welcome to the discussion.  I don’t agree with the premise of your argument about the EU.  The EU was set up to among other things allow free trade within Europe among the member countries and to allow the EU countries to exercise a bit of economic strength in international trade that none of the individual countries could exercise on their own.  A fact checking organization from Britain Called Full Fact has a series of explanations about common perceptions and misconceptions about the EU that regardless of your position on Brexit are worth a read. Boris Johnson may pull off a neat little magic trick and reach an agreement with the EU for Britain’s exit, but I don’t see it as doing anything to benefit Britain with respect to trade with EU countries or EU trading partners going forward.    

    As for NATO, with the re-emergence of Russia as a world military power, particularly in the Middle East, the US benefits from NATO membership – albeit as the world’s largest military is arguably over-represented in NATO operations.  I never cease to be amazed at arguments like those made by President SFB that the US should not be engaged in transnational alliances gain any traction at all among people who have 2 functioning brain cells.  The denial of the use of bases and airspace to the US by NATO members for its non-NATO excursions in the ME are one case in point of the value of the NATO relationships.

  12. @CraigCrawford… I only base my foreign policy ideas on what is in the best interests of the United States. Trying to determine what Putin wants or does not want, or what benefits him or hurts him, is not particularly relevant or helpful. Geo-political interests change, and there are always pros and cons to any decision. If recent history is any indicator, NATO has not done anything to impact Russia’s foreign policy doctrine as established under Medvedev (or Putin depending on your point of view) – specifically, that the mere presence of large numbers of Russian citizens in a territory or foreign country can justify invasion, as can maintenance of so-called Russian “privileged interests” which extend to territories under Russian control during the Soviet Union. Just ask the people Ukraine, Crimea, and Georgia how sharp NATO’s teeth are. In short, the old lines that date to before NATO’s inception still exist. Russian territorial demands do not extend into Europe proper. The idea of a Treaty that compels the United States to declare war on Russia if it invades these satellite countries is both dangerous and unnecessary. A phased-out NATO, and stronger EU military will allow the Europeans to determine for themselves exactly how important Pan Europa is to them – and just how loyal the traditional European powers are willing to be to new family members.

    @Patd… My arguments and opinions pre-date any Tweets or Tweeters (especially of the Orange variety), and I assure you, opinions are my own and more sophisticated than those in leadership positions within our failed two parties. Phasing out NATO will not bring WWIII. Why invade Europe when you control much of the current energy supply entering the region? The tactical, military advantage of Russia vs. European and American forces currently there is still pretty significant. Foreign policy will not go the way of the plot to James Bond’s Octopussy or some other film. The continued technological and industrial integration of economies reduce the likelihood of another European war. What will most likely happen is that Russia’s growing state-sponsored criminal enterprises will push it into greater economic isolation, as countries and businesses push back. The emergence of more advanced Green Technology, AI, 3D Printing, Self-Manufacturing, and sustainable agriculture in Europe and the US will gradually reach Russia. The impact of those technologies and movements will be an economic and cultural shift – building a stronger sense of personalization and individualism within Russia. This will facilitate regime and policy change. There is much to look forward to in a post-Putin era, but we are 20 to 25 years from realizing it.

  13. The emergence of more advanced Green Technology, AI, 3D Printing, Self-Manufacturing, and sustainable agriculture in Europe and the US will gradually reach Russia. The impact of those technologies and movements will be an economic and cultural shift – building a stronger sense of personalization and individualism within Russia. This will facilitate regime and policy change.

    Oh boy, problem with getting older is the irritation you feel when someone recycles failed ideas. Lets see the last time it was the internet that was going to save us from repressive regimes like Russia and China.  But they  are using the internet and resulting tech to keep a tighter grip and expand their influence.  All those things are tools just as easily used by devils as well as saints. The better the tools the  more efficient it is for evil to work. Look at China and face recognition. 

  14. Michael – verbose. I am not sure all of what you are writing about.  If Britain is lucky the EU will decide to let them be on the outside with friends inside.  There are common regulations which help one group at the expense of another.  But to make both lose is a bit off.  As for Yugoslavia, it broke apart because it was an artificial grouping to begin with under the Soviet throttle.  A bit like Iraq and West Asia after WWI.  I have no idea what you are talking about with different waves flowing across the lands.  Tribal groups are definitely not the way to have a country.  All you have are rival groups fighting over the last working well.  Finally, making nice with the KGB is not a way to stay alive.  From what I can see the republican party has capitulated in the Cold War and are now, almost to a man (so few women), russian agents determined to destroy these United States.

  15. As Sturg likes to remind us….  despite numerous inventions…  human nature is the same as it was in ancient Rome.  Self interests still reigns.

  16. mr. hackmer,  sorry if I offended you by suggesting that you were parroting the twit-in-chief.

    however,  the fact that your opinions as you say are “more sophisticated than those in leadership positions within our failed two parties” is not that high a standard – –  there are times when my 2 chickens reach that bar — even though it is considerably higher than his, the he who shall not be named.

  17. Hi, Michael !
    I’m glad to read you, and hope to read a lot more. 
    I’d feel more comfortable if theses new democratic movements in Europe weren’t pushed by putin’s anti-democratic, genocidal, and agglomerating Imperium, and if, his new ally Emperor Xi weren’t of similar dispositions. I’m all for freedom for Uighurs, Tibetans, Chechens, Dagestanis, Carelians, the Crim, Taiwanese and Hong Kongers.  

  18. Add the Kashmiri, Kurds, Sistani, Baluchis, West Bankers, Syrians, Punjabis, Rohingya, Nagorno-Karabakhi, and South Ossetians.

  19. With all due respect, Ms Renee, on occasion self-interest fails also. Witness the rural support for our racist russianoid rapist and his super-mob of lowlife thugs and thieves, just for example. 
    In the long-run, of course, our self-interest will triumph over the ripuplicani elites’ self-interest, if we can only reach the long-run in time.

  20. Welcome, Michael. NATO has served us well over the decades. Its great strengths now are in providing flexible basing and established C3I structures that will, hopefully enable its members to deter aggressors without entering a cataclysmic state of nuclear war in which we will be victorious and everybody loses.
    Disestablishment of British involvement in the EU will, absent 45, allow a strengthening of North American/UK relationships.A UK trade presence in Latin America could bolster economic ties with with its Commonwealth members in the Island Pacific if handled thoughtfully.
    Our family was vacationing in Northern Ontario when the Profumo scandal was unfolding. The Brits survived that and the newspapers loved it. I don’t recall NATO disintegrating.

  21. the guardian:

    Donald Trump’s nomination of an inexperienced but loyal partisan to become the director of national intelligence (DNI) is an attempt to “neutralise” US spy agencies as an independent and objective voice on global affairs, former intelligence officials warned.


    Trump has indicated that he might not wait for his nominee, the Republican congressman John Ratcliffe, to receive Senate confirmation before wresting control over the office of the director of national intelligence, which coordinates the work of the other 16 intelligence agencies.


    “The acting director will be named shortly,” Trump tweeted on Sunday, announcing the departure of Coats, and his choice of Ratcliffe, who has been a staunch defender of Trump in Congress.


    However, the statute that established the role of DNI states that in case of a vacancy, the principal deputy director acts in the role until a replacement is confirmed. That would be Sue Gordon, a career official with three decades’ experience in intelligence. An attempt to break the rules and oust her will probably heighten the sense in the intelligence agencies that they are under attack.


    “I fear that there is a slow takeover of the norms and procedures of governance by this president, amassing unprecedented executive power,” Mowatt-Larssen, now at Harvard University’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, added. “To do that he needs to neutralise or at least silence the intelligence community. He has been doing that for three years, but this takes it to the new level.”


    Trump described Ratcliffe as a “highly respected congressman” and “a former US attorney”. However, he was a US attorney for only a year in the eastern district of Texas, and was the mayor of the Texan town of Heath, with a population of about 6,000, for eight years, before becoming a congressman in 2015.


    It is unclear if Ratcliffe will be able to secure Senate confirmation. His inexperience and partisanship would come under intense scrutiny, but the Republican majority has generally been disciplined in following Trump’s wishes. Senior Republicans who responded to Trump’s announcement, praised Coats but did not mention Ratcliffe. The nomination may also falter on the law establishing the DNI position, which states any nominee “shall have extensive national security expertise”.


    If Ratcliffe is confirmed and sought to politicise intelligence work further, it could lead to a clash with the intelligence agency professionals, warned John Sipher, a veteran of the CIA’s national clandestine services.


    “If he tries to spin intelligence in a different way that it is presented to him, his work force would rebel,” Sipher said, predicting there would be a spike in resignations and leaks. “He is going to get a lot of knives stuck in his back.”

  22. I picked the right afternoon to cut our yards. Although the temperature has made it to 96,the relative humidity has been in the low 30s and the 20s. I’m cooled-off enough to hit the shower.

  23. xrep…  of course self interests fail on occasion.  After all….  all human beings are flawed.  Many times, we fail to think through all the consequences.

    What we (hopefully) strive for in civilization is to align self interests with common interests.  Sometimes it works out…  and sometimes it doesn’t.

    …   and so it goes…

  24. latest Quinnipiac:

    Former Vice President Joseph Biden reverses his slump following the first Democratic presidential debate and now leads the pack with 34 percent of Democrats and independent voters who lean Democratic, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren has 15 percent, with 12 percent for California Sen. Kamala Harris and 11 percent for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

    This compares to results of a July 2 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University National Poll, showing Biden with 22 percent, Harris with 20 percent, Warren with 14 percent and Sanders with 13 percent.

    In today’s results:

    • Biden gets 53 percent of black Democrats, with 8 percent for Sanders, 7 percent for Harris and 4 percent for Warren;
    • Women Democrats go 34 percent for Biden, 15 percent for Warren, 14 percent for Harris and 10 percent for Sanders;
    • Very liberal Democrats go 29 percent for Warren, 25 percent for Biden, 15 percent for Sanders and 12 percent for Harris;
    • Somewhat liberal Democrats go 34 percent for Biden, 16 percent for Sanders, 14 percent for Warren and 10 percent for Harris;
    • Moderate/conservative Democrats go 39 percent for Biden, 12 percent for Harris, 9 percent for Warren and 8 percent for Sanders.

    Rounding out the Democratic field are South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg with 6 percent, and former U.S. Rep. Beto O’Rourke and entrepreneur Andrew Yang with 2 percent each. There are four candidates with 1 percent each and 14 candidates at less than 1 percent each.


    Only 32 percent of all American voters say they “definitely” will vote for Trump if he is the Republican candidate in the 2020 presidential election, while 12 percent say they will consider voting for Trump.

    But 54 percent of all American voters say they “definitely” will not vote for Trump, matching the “never Trump” total from a May 21 Quinnipiac University National Poll. This “never Trump” tally includes 57 percent of independent voters.

    American voters disapprove 54 – 40 percent of the job Trump is doing as president, compared to a 53 – 42 percent disapproval in a June 11 poll.

    From July 25 – 28, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,306 voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 3.4 percentage points, including the design effect. The survey includes 579 Democrats and Democratic leaners with a margin of error of +/- 5.1 percentage points, including the design effect.

  25. wapo:  

    Could Boris Johnson’s ‘no-deal’ Brexit break up the United Kingdom?

    Boris Johnson was jeered during his first trip as prime minister to Scotland on Monday.


    He didn’t get the warmest reception from the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, either.


    “The people of Scotland did not vote for this Tory Government, they didn’t vote for this new prime minister, they didn’t vote for Brexit and they certainly didn’t vote for a catastrophic no-deal Brexit, which Boris Johnson is now planning for,” she said ahead of their meeting.


    Johnson left Sturgeon’s official’s residence out the back door, avoiding another confrontation with protesters.


    It has become something of a ritual for British leaders to demonstrate their commitment to the union with an early tour of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland — or, as Johnson called them, “the awesome foursome that are incarnated in that red, white and blue flag.”

    But there is much animosity toward Johnson in Scotland, and a palpable dread over leaving the European Union — especially by way of the hard, “no-deal Brexit” that the new prime minister says Britain must prepare for.

    All of which has led to renewed talk of the union cracking up.


    On Johnson’s first full day as Britain’s head of government last week, Ian Blackford, the Scottish National Party’s loquacious leader in Parliament, stood in the House of Commons and welcomed “the last prime minister of the United Kingdom.”


    Scottish voters rejected independence, 55 percent to 45 percent, in a referendum in 2014. Now, Scottish nationalists are hoping that Johnson’s premiership will help their cause. Blackford has called Johnson a “recruiting tool.”


    Sunday Times poll last month, before Johnson’s selection, found that 49 percent of Scots favored independence but that the number would rise to 53 percent in the event Johnson became prime minister. 


  26. So Biden has recovered back to his June 5, 6 poll numbers, Harris’s June 29-July 5 bump has fallen off a bit, Warren has come on and has maintained the 5 points she gained since the first of June, and Bernie! just can’t get no respect.  And between the Rasmussen drop to 47 and the Quinnipiac 40, SFB has dropped off a bit and is below 44 now and trails Biden by 10 points and other potential Dem challengers by somewhat lesser amounts. Couldn’t happen to a nicer fella.~~~

  27. It looks as though the forces of darkness are spending Z!LL!ON$, trying to discover the names eddresses and addresses of every last possible trumpie.  Tiny ‘take this poll’ & ‘make your opinion matter’ buttons are suddenly appearing all over the interferenet. Well, they’d better to do it now, while he is still above 25%; they might be able to stanch some of the bleeding. 
    Lock them ALL up ! 

  28. I figure that trump could lose 10 states to Biden, including big ones MI, OH, PA, NC, FL, TX. That ain’t hay.
    Warren could clean up from Nebraska to Oklahoma and east from MI to MO. And, throw MT & PA  in for good measure.

  29. Wait until France closes the Chunnel. That’ll make Londoners think about Brexit again.
    (And, if some charismatic guy like Sting arises to lead the LibLabs, all bets are off. Fat chance)

  30. Patd

    Brexit could well result in the break up of the UK if Ireland and Scotland take a hike rather than give up the economy coming from EU unity.

    It took a few hundred years to put the Union Jack together.  It would be a shame if it got torn apart.


  31. Ms Jamie,
    Yes, if not Wales, Man, the Channel Isles, and Cornwall, then at least Scotland and Ulster.

  32. Ms Renee,
    Yes, I have managed to spot a few flaws in myself, too. They seem to be small but deep. sigh
    Errare humanum est, as Mr Sturgeone might write.

  33. Getting back to the topic of the world order, can we all agree that we have left the old order behind, and entered trump’s New World Order ? Or, trump’s New World Disorder ? Or, trump’s New Age of russian and commie Chinese Supremacy ?

  34. XR, if we can’t agree on that we can’t agree on anything… and I think disorder captures it best, but all apply. 

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