Kerry Threatens Cyber Retaliation

cyberwarSecretary of State John Kerry is promising retaliation against Russian President Vladimir Putin’s cyber meddling in the American presidential election. Kerry said the U.S. means to “put the people doing it on a notice that they’re not, quote, ‘getting away with it’ for free, as well as to put states on notice that we’re serious when we say they need to take every measure possible to guarantee the integrity of our elections. And we will and can respond in ways that we choose to at the time of our choice.” Read More.

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  1. WooHoo!

    I see a cottage industry that develops and sells Trojan Horse viruses to government and celebrities that eat up hard drives if they are hacked and opened.

    Joe is being his fatuous asshole self, questioning the timing of the women who are accusing drumpf. He’s saying when he would have come forward.  Stupid ass.  Listen asshole, they decided to come forward in response to trump’s denials of the behavior HE FUCKING DENIED TO ANDERSON COOPER’S QUESTION.  And, by the way asshole,  you are ignoring the rape case.

  2. Here’s what I believe people should be focusing on, and that is trumpf’s reaction to these allegations. Threaten to sue the newspapers publishing the allegations.  Combine that with threatening to jail his opponent and he’s the picture of a third world dictator or his idol, Vlad.

    Are his supporters brain dead? (That’s a rhetorical question by the way. )

  3. last night on Vice, was a show about stuxnet.   The US of AA is attacked everyday and I think we have a robust group to defend the cyber homeland and our retaliation?  Already in play.

  4. joke time with apologies to RR…watched brady, trump supporter, walk away from the question about locker room talk and if trump had been in the room?  He would have grabbed him on the way out as he did look like a…

     

  5. the money has dried-up for the repugs in NM.  steve pearce has not had one ad run in my area, however, many ads tying trump to repugs are running in short 30 second spots.   I am sure steve’s wife is busy submitting to him while steve is fuming…a self proclaimed millionaire, job creator?  Too cheap to fund his campaign.  He may still win, but he does not have a presence as he had in the last election cycles.  trump ads are running, but nothing for the down line repugs.

     

  6. A tremendous congratulations needs to go out for Bob Dylan winning the Nobel Prize in literature for his new expressions of poetry in the American song tradition. Thanks for the body of work.

  7. Drumpf’s campaign lawyers threatened lawsuits against the Times. They apparently skipped the first day of constitutional law, you know the one where the professor reviews the First Amendment? Maybe that helps explain the fascination of the Trump campaign with the Second Amendment.

  8. pogo…the award for Dylan reminds me of our late Sean as he did have a post about dick cheney and Bob Dylan…both being the same age and the divergent lives…sort of if cheney only had a brain and heart.

    Bob Dylan will be in El Paso on the 19th of this month…hubby and I saw him in El Paso in 2006 (still have the t-shirt) with Merle Haggard opening for him….Merle had friends in New Mexico and he spent time with my friend’s parents.  It was the best concert I have been to and Dylan was incredible.  Too poor this go around to buy the tickets, but I can time travel back to the concert…his band was perfect.

  9. okay, drumpf’s dirty tricks going too far. now he’s confusing the already confused electorate that election day is not nov 8th.  or if one applies “conspiracy or stupidity” theory, maybe that is what he thinks.

    https://youtu.be/WEe-kieZuoo

  10. Listening to Hillary give a speech in Las Vegas.  She keeps saying when they go low we go high — so when is she going to go high?

    DaveV…  good question.  I too wish she would stop mentioning Trump at all and just talk about the issues.  IMO, she would look much better just pretending that Donald doesn’t even exist and letting others do the dirty work.

    I wish she wouldn’t do the next debate stating that she will not stand on a stage as his equal.  Then just get on to talking about policies.

  11. RR…I am hoping there is not a third debate.  I wish Hillary did not dwell on the trump as much as she has, but I assume it gives her cover on the wikileaks story…I did enjoy the Miami rally with Al Gore.  She does talk issues, but at this point?  Motivate the base to get out the vote.   It is said that 40% of the vote will have already taken place by election day.  Now is the time for the campaign to get the vote out and early.  Plus, the rallies always have local candidates who are getting their message out to the locals.

  12. “I too wish she would stop mentioning Trump at all and just talk about the issues.”

    renee & dave, you both are forgetting that the media then won’t cover her at all… just photo ops maybe.  all along since beginning of campaign she has been talking issues and they have not been reported.  media only likes the circus clown show.

    just ask johnson/weld team

    pbs: BILL WELD, Libertarian Vice Presidential Candidate: Well, the only way we could run the table is if we somehow become catnip for the national news media in the everyday saga of reporting on the presidential election and our role in that.

    be sure to click in at 5:05 on the vid when weld talks about trump led gop becoming the no-name party

  13. sturge, LOL.  I think that relationship tension adds to the interest.  They definitely ain’t on the same page a good portion of the time.  Of course Joe can’t hold a thought he doesn’t contradict himself on for more than a couple of minutes. (BTW, where’d your comment go?)

  14. some of the good positive points made in today’s

    wapo editorial board:

    No, we are not making this endorsement simply because Ms. Clinton’s chief opponent is dreadful.

    [….]

    Ms. Clinton, in other words, is dogged, resilient, purposeful and smart. Unlike Mr. Clinton or Mr. Bush when they ascended, she knows Washington; unlike Mr. Obama when he ascended, she has executive experience. She does not let her feelings get in the way of the job at hand. She is well positioned to get something done.

    So what would she do? Her ambitions are less lofty than we would like when it comes, for example, to reforming unsustainable entitlement programs, and than many in her party would like, in their demand, for example, for free college tuition. But most of her agenda is commendable, and parts may actually be achievable: immigration reform; increased investment in infrastructure, research and education, paid for by higher taxes on the wealthy; sounder family-leave policies; criminal-justice reform. In an era of slowing growth and growing income inequality, these all make sense, as do her support for curbing climate change and for regulating gun ownership.

    [….]

    But her foreign-policy inclinations were sounder than her president’s. It is telling that, even as she tacked left to survive the primaries, she did not give ground to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on the core value of American engagement in the world. Allies would find her more reliable than the incumbent and far more dependable than her opponent. The world would be more secure as a result.

    […]

    Meanwhile, Ms. Clinton underlined her fitness for office in what was essentially the first major decision of her potential presidency: her choice of Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) as running mate. Rather than calculate how best to assuage or excite this or that part of her base, Ms. Clinton selected a person of sound judgment, with executive and legislative experience and unquestionable capacity to serve as president if necessary.

    That presages what Americans might reasonably expect of a Clinton presidency: seriousness of purpose and relentless commitment, even in the face of great obstacles, to achievements in the public interest. We believe that Ms. Clinton will prove a worthy example to girls who celebrate the election of America’s first female president. We believe, too, that anyone who votes for her will be able to look back, four years from now, with pride in that decision.

     

  15. it struck me upon reflection as a bit mean spirited….. What the hell, if those two kids have managed to find a spot of happiness in this crazy old kooky world who am I to rain in their general direction…..

    (but it will be interesting, nonetheless )

  16. patd,  there’s also this Closing argument against trump from the WaPo editorial board in today’s paper.  It could take a while to read all the editorials it has published in the past 16 months, which are linked in the piece.

    There’s no doubt where the editorial board stands on the election…and why. 🙂

  17. xr, thanks for linking that hill story reporting

    Some of Donald Trump’s supporters have taken to Twitter to call for a repeal of the 19th Amendment in response to a FiveThirtyEight electoral map that showed his Dem rival would win by a landslide if only women voted.

    must be some of those deplorable basket cases we’ve heard about….  pitiable too.

  18. many a pol are quaking in their boots worrying whether their campaign staff emails were also hacked and now game for media.  just think of all the snarks, sarcasm, bad jokes etc. that would be misunderstood, not understood and disclosed to discredit otherwise thoughtful folk…. think of friendships ruined due to some off-hand comment.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37614486
    New documents posted online by WikiLeaks show the dynamics of Hillary Clinton’s inner circle – and how they really feel.
    They were brutal and condescending – and that was with each other.

    [….] There’s no smoking gun, but the exchanges do lift the lid on the secret lives of aides and advisers, and reveal what campaigns are really like. [….]

    The disclosure of the emails are an unwelcome distraction for Mr Podesta and the campaign staff.

    They were also obtained by braking into his account.

    That’s a crime.

    But still, the emails shed light on important issues.

    They are a window into a world that has been shrouded in secrecy.

    They show how Mrs Clinton’s aides and advisers get along – who matters to them, and who doesn’t.

    These relationships may help to define the next administration – and guide its policymaking and statecraft into the future.

  19. Sonny, Cher, Letterman

     

    just kidding with the sonny…….I caught the rolling thunder tour and one other around 76 or so and then a latter day one around 2000…….Saint Bob

  20. can you also imagine some of the inhouse humor bantered about among the jfk staff about lbj and among teddy’s inner circle about jimmy carter and his staff?  disclosure of things said in those times behind closed doors would certainly sully the image of Camelot.

  21. vanity fair:
    Elizabeth Warren Goes Ballistic After Wells Fargo C.E.O. Retires With More than $100 Million
    The Massachusetts senator’s victory over John Stumpf was short-lived.
    […]
    Instead, Stumpf is leaving with millions in vested stock and other benefits that he accumulated while fraud was taking place at Wells Fargo. Despite giving up $41 million—the largest compensation forfeiture from a major U.S. bank chief since the 2008 financial crisis—and not receiving any severance, according to public filings, the former C.E.O. will walk away with about $134.1 million.

    Warren, predictably, took to Twitter to express her displeasure. In a series of tweets Wednesday, the senator reiterated that Stumpf should resign, return all the money he made while the “scam” was occurring, and face an investigation. “If @WellsFargo’s John Stumpf is leaving with all his ill-gotten millions, that’s still not real accountability,” the senator tweeted. “A bank C.E.O. should not be able to oversee a massive fraud & simply walk away to enjoy his millions in retirement.”

  22. just reported based on 10/10 – 10/12:

    The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%.

  23. so the condom is being paid by the trump campaign and a pro trump super pac…isn’t that illegal

    Rasmussen is a republican house poll with a poor rating from 538

  24. gonna be hard for goper pols who still endorse the drumpf if this story gets more play.

    yesterday at buzzfeed:

    “This case, based on the sworn declarations of the victim and two corroborating witnesses, will be tried in court, where the defendants will be required to answer questions under oath and pursuant to the rules of evidence,” said attorney Cheney Mason in a statement to BuzzFeed News.

    Trump has vehemently denied the rape claims, which are being filed in a New York civil court for a third time.

    Mason signed on this week to represent the plaintiff, who filed her complaint as “Jane Doe,” according to court records. He is best known as the defense attorney for Casey Anthony, the Florida woman acquitted on charges of killing her 2-year-old daughter in 2008.

    Donald Trump is accused of having forcible sex with the plaintiff while attending a party at the NYC apartment of convicted billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, according to the complaint. The plaintiff also claims that Epstein raped her twice at two such parties.

    Two witnesses provided affidavits filed by the plaintiff under the names “Joan Doe” and “Tiffany Doe” that back up the woman’s story.

    “Joan Doe” claims that the plaintiff told her about the assaults in 1994–95 shortly after they are alleged to have occurred.

    “Tiffany Doe” claims that she witnessed Trump and Epstein rape the plaintiff multiple times. In her affidavit, she admits to acting as a “recruiter” allegedly hired by Epstein to attract young women to parties at his apartment.

    “I would say the same thing I’ve said a million times. The allegations are reckless, irresponsible, and categorically untrue,” Trump attorney Alan Garten told BuzzFeed News this week. “To discuss them is unfair. This happened a long time ago. I don’t even want to get into it, because it gives credibility.”

  25. Pat

    And yet 538 has AZ in the blue column this morning.

    BTW I had to check the link to make sure it wasn’t the Onion.  Talk about an outlier.

    LOL, even the LA times tracking poll (which has had a consistent 6pt lean toward Trump)  has them tied.

     

    Jack

  26. Speaking of the reliability of Rasmussen, yesterday they had Clinton up +4 so what happened to drive a 6pt change? Nothing. Unless they changed their  Likely Voter filter.

     

    Jack

  27. renee & dave, you both are forgetting that the media then won’t cover her at all… just photo ops maybe.  all along since beginning of campaign she has been talking issues and they have not been reported.  media only likes the circus clown show.

    patd…   sadly…   you’ve made an excellent point.

  28. Mr Sturgeone,

    Minnesota born musicians who came back to live in Minnesota :

    Prince Roger Nelson,

    Robert (Bob Dylan) Zimmerman,

    The Steeles,

    Whoopee John Wilfahrt,

    Harold Loeffelmacher and The Six Fat Dutchmen,

    Willie Murphy,

    John Koerner, Tony (Dave) Ray, and Dave Glover,

    The Replacements,

    The Wallets,

    Paul Westerberg,

    Etc.

  29. Mrs. Greenspan – completely full of shit   if there was something in the emails she would be the first to talk about it endlessly

    and mostly it is inside baseball stuff.

  30. tony, your favorite pundit…  not.

    guardian: For a life lived hating Hillary Clinton – take a bow, Maureen Dowd

    Dowd has covered nine elections, never more energetically than when a Clinton is running, because, famously, the New York Times columnist hates the Clintons – particularly Hillary. Over the years, Dowd has called her “shifty” and a “dominatrix”, a “manly girl”, and written endlessly about her “creepy” marriage to Bill, which she once described as a “repugnant arrangement”.

    When Clinton first ran against Barack Obama, Dowd wrote of how pathetic it was “that she has to wage a major offensive … to make herself appear warm-blooded”, and commentary this year includes the sour gem: “After running as a man last time around, Hillary Clinton is now running as a woman.” Since she has a book out – The Year of Voting Dangerously, a collection of writings on the season’s political insanity – Dowd popped up on talk shows last weekend; arch, brittle and fairly twitching with the strain of being caught between Clinton and a hard place. It was a small, thrilling piece of drama alongside the frankly exhausting spectacle of the main event.

    That is the joy of Dowd these days; not that her laborious wisecracks hit home – she is neither subtle nor funny – but the showmanship that goes into creating them.

  31. Trump has cancelled its Fox sponsored attempt to “turn Bill Clinton into Bill Cosby”

    So The Brietbartians got their way — how’s that working out for you?

    As Trump said to Kaepernick “–if you hate this country that has given so much to you — go find another place.”

    Michelle Obama just nailed Trump’s coffin shut and he is never getting out

  32. lest we forget our thread topic of today

    from  politico:

    The Obama administration is considering retaliation against Russia, Earnest said on Tuesday,but did not specify how or when.

     

    “The president has talked before about the significant capabilities that the U.S. government has to both defend our systems in the United States but also carry out offensive operations in other countries,” Earnest said. “So there are a range of responses that are available to the president and he will consider a response that is proportional.”

     

    and from  sc magazine:

    U.S. vows cyber counterattack against Russia

    Exactly what the response will be was left open, but it could range from economic sanctions to a cyber counterattack. Earnest said. Whatever form the action takes it will be done without advanced warning, Earnest said.

    U.S. Cyber Command had stood up several more than 40 cyber mission teams as of June, which are capable of handling tasks ranging from on the battlefield to a global scale. Lt. General James McLaughlin, deputy commander of U.S. Cyber Command said in June that Cyber Command already has the authority, which it has used,  to respond within the cyber domain to attacks. He also would not into detail during a public hearing, but said he in the closed committee session to follow he would show the committee members the level of attacks endured each day by the DoD and give an example of a Cyber Command response.

  33. Trump just conceded the bimbo wars but it is too late for him

    I don’t think the Clintonians paid these women

    Hallie Jackson you suck

  34. Trump is inspiring violence against the press and when it happens

    MSNBC profile in bullshit

  35. “Trump is inspiring violence against the press and when it happens”

    kgc, what did he say exactly? can you link it?  scary if he specifically called for violence this time rather than his usual hint, hint, wink, wink dog whistles.

  36. He spends a lot of time blaming people for the false stories ..after the rallies the trump supporters are surrounding the media pen and members of the media said they ae a lot more menacing

    Trump says he has evidence but he isn’t going to show it because it’s under audit

  37. the 1st 20 minutes are music while waiting for her speech with 4 min introduction by gov Maggie hassan of nh

    excerpts of above from tpm:

    Obama focused much of her speech squarely on Trump, though she never spoke his name. She expressed her disgust for Trump’s comments not only as a woman, but as a mother to two girls.

    “I feel it so personally. And I’m sure that many of you do too. Particularly the women,” she said. “The shameful comments about our bodies. The disrespect of our ambitions and intellect. The belief that you can do anything you want to a woman. It is cruel. It is frightening. And the truth is, it hurts. It hurts. It’s like that sick sinking feeling you get when you’re walking down the street minding your own business. Some guy yells out vulgar words about your body. Or when you see that guy at work that stands just a little too close, stares just a little too long, you feel uncomfortable in your own skin.”

    Obama said that the need to push back against Trump’s comments should transcend political party.

    “This is disgraceful. It is intolerable,” she said. “Doesn’t matter what party you belong to. No woman deserves to be treated this way. No one deserves this kind of abuse. I know it’s a campaign, but this isn’t about politics. It’s about basic human decency. It’s about right and wrong. We cannot endure this or expose our children to this for any longer. Not for another minute, let alone four years.”

    She went on to emphasize that the characterization of Trump’s comments as “locker room” talk that’s normal for all men is disrespectful to men and boys.

    “How is this affecting men and boys in this country? Because I can tell you that the men in my life do not talk about women like this,” Obama said. “I know my family is not unusual. To dismiss this every day locker room talk is an insult to decent men everywhere. The men that you and I know don’t treat women this way. They are loving fathers sickened by the thought of their daughters being exposed to this kind of language about women. They are us fathers and brothers and sons who don’t tolerate women being treated and demeaned. Like us, the men are worried about the impact this election is looking for boys, role models for what it means to be a man.”

    Obama channelled her comments into a push for votes for Hillary Clinton, saying she represents everything that Trump is not.

    “We need someone who will heal the wounds that divide us,” she said. “Someone who truly cares about us and our children. Someone with strength and compassion to lead this country forward. I’m here today because I believe with all of my heart that Hillary Clinton will be that president.”

  38. Times article re Bob Dylan

    I wholeheartedly agree with the award, but apparently some nose in the air types disagree with me.  Fifty years of lyrics prove he knows what he is doing.  My favorite may not be great poetry but it is filled with love.

     

     

  39. michelle:

    “We need someone who will heal the wounds that divide us,” she said. “Someone who truly cares about us and our children. Someone with strength and compassion to lead this country forward. I’m here today because I believe with all of my heart that Hillary Clinton will be that president.”

  40. Trump is an ugly throwback to an era when a certain group of low class men thought it was okay to comment on a woman’s looks and assault them verbally, emotionally and sometimes physically.

    Still remember getting off a school bus with a group of teenage girls in a certain part of LA to the sounds of cretins at the car dealership whooping about the “hookers in training from the motel.”.

  41. I know that Michelle is not a fan of running for office herself…I hope she changes her mind…

  42.  

    This is Natasha Stoynoff.  Trump implied she couldn’t be believed because she was too ugly for him to hit on.

     

  43. boss*, hope you watched michelle’s speech and can put it in proper pundit terms what it means for our future.  look forward to hearing/reading your take.

    * that is our fearless leader craig, of course

  44. In fact, I don’t see ugly in that picture at all. It could be the woman next door, if we weren’t all 55+ years old around here.

  45. seems this is how her speech is being headlined and reported.  too bad they’re giving short shrift to her eloquence on and support of Hillary. little mention either of her plea about the consequence of not voting and protest voting.

    raw story: “WATCH: Choking back tears, Michelle Obama delivers powerful speech on Trump’s abuse of women”
      wapo: This Michelle Obama speech on Donald Trump was remarkable
    usatoday: Michelle Obama slams Trump tape comments

     

     

  46. politico: Hacked Podesta Twitter sends out Trump-supporting tweet

    Clinton campaign chair John Podesta is facing more digital woes.

     

    Late today, Podesta’s Twitter account sent out a strange tweet reading: “I’ve switched teams.Vote Trump 2015.Hi pol”

    The tweet was quickly deleted, but the Clinton campaign confirmed the account had been hacked.

    “We can confirm John’s Twitter account was hacked, which would explain the message,” spokesman Nick Merrill told reporters in Las Vegas.

  47. I’m a registered Independent, which means I get mail from Trump.  What a horrible trip back from the mailbox that makes.

     

    Jokes on you, seditious Trumpists, you’re motivating me even more to vote Democratic.  Anything to never see his ugly mug again.  Down-ticket, too, whether I agree with the individual candidates, or not, because the GOP needs to be punished electorally for nominating the most irresponsible and dangerous candidate in modern history*.

     

    *Quite a few Presidents were rather dangerous.  Jackson and Truman come to mind immediately.

     

     

  48. I put that depressing piece of music on because it makes me think of the detritus left after he tries to poke his you know what into their you know where

  49. As poetry in the Beatles’ catalog goes, Eleanor Rigby ain’t bad.  (It’s one of my 20 or 30 Beatles favorites.)

    Rasmussen’s been up and down over the past couple, three weeks – a 10 point spread. They and LA Times have been the outliers showing Trump up or tied.  Since a poll ending 9/21 they’ve show trump up by five and Hillary up by five.  I think they have a sampling problem.  The poll averages have been in the Hillary +2-5% range over that period. Now it’s + 4.6 for Hillary in a 4 way race.

  50. Eleanor Rigby” is a song by the Beatles, released on the 1966 album Revolver and as a45 rpm single. It was written by Paul McCartney, and credited to Lennon–McCartney.[2]
    The song continued the transformation of the Beatles from a mainly rock and roll / pop-oriented act to a more experimental, studio-based band. With a double string quartet arrangement by George Martin and striking lyrics about loneliness, “Eleanor Rigby” broke sharply with popular music conventions, both musically and lyrically.[3] Richie Unterberger ofAllmusic cites the band’s “singing about the neglected concerns and fates of the elderly” on the song as “just one example of why the Beatles’ appeal reached so far beyond the traditional rock audience”.[4]

  51. McCartney wrote the first verse by himself, and the Beatles finished the song in the music room of John Lennon’s home at KenwoodJohn LennonGeorge HarrisonRingo Starr, and their friend Pete Shotton all listened to McCartney play his song through and contributed ideas. Harrison came up with the “Ah, look at all the lonely people” hook. Starr contributed the line “writing the words of a sermon that no one will hear” and suggested making “Father McCartney” darn his socks, which McCartney liked. It was then that Shotton suggested that McCartney change the name of the priest, in case listeners mistook the fictional character in the song for McCartney’s own father.[12]

  52. One of my favorite Beatles tunes then and now….it was on the flip side of some other song so found its way to many jukeboxes……..my brother and I would be in some honkytonk or other and play this and then sit at the bar and castigate whoever the scurvy dog was what played that garbage……..

  53. I’ll be darned……can’t find it on the internets……….the Beatles recording of “You Know My Name, Look up the Number”

    it has been disappeared.

  54. Pat

    Thanks for posting the First Lady Michelle Obama speech from today.. Simply amazing.. So touching and the best advocate for HRC, women and girls ever.

    Oh  Pat, lol, on Dowdy as i call her, without Bill and Hillary to kick around she truly would be bored..

    Bink

    Excellent comment. I agree, the GOP does need to be punished and face a backlash for nominating Trump.. I do so hope they get it too.. Markos M of Daily Kos was on XM radio earlier saying he thinks the house is in play. Chances are 50/50 he said, wow.. Senate he says is a given currently as well..

    OD,

    I agree, hope Michelle Obama changes her mind about politics too.. I would love to see her in and HRC administration..

  55. All I could find on u tube was covers…….I found that exceeding strange, but I may have missed it….

    Kgc………thank you, Mask Man……..

  56. Never cared much for Paul after the Beatles, especially the Wings era. The whole bunch produced much better music together than any of them did apart. IMO

    Here is my favorite Dylan

  57. “Don’t follow leaders , watch the parking meters”

    Yep a Nobel Prize worthy line there.

    };-)

     

    Jack

  58. A family friend: The woman I call ‘Aunt Hillary’ congratulated me when I came out of the closet

     Colin Ebeling is the son of Hillary Clinton’s childhood best friend. He has been following Clinton’s career as a person who has grown up with the Clintons as extended family figures. He wanted to write a testimonial about the Hillary Clinton he knows, something of an antidote to the decades of baseless, right-wing bile that’s been heaped on her.
    Colin Ebeling wrote the post on his Facebook page on why he is voting for his Aunt Hillary.

     Walter Einenkel

  59. In conclusion, and in regard to the thread topic:

    Don’t threaten, just act, or don’t.

     

    Enough outta me.

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