Will sex become obsolescent?

By Whyskyjack, a Trail Mix Contributor

And  19 other questions about the future of human kind. Ask as only the folks from Scientific American can ask them.

Is the election driving you nuts?  Do you have most of your Facebook family on ignore. Are you thinking about getting a court order to keep your brother-in-law from setting foot in your house? Take a break, Pour a relaxing beverage and contemplate the big picture.

Nothing is going to change in the next three weeks anyway.

BTW the expert answer to the question is…

Test_Tube_Baby2“No, but having sex to conceive babies is likely to become at least much less common. In 20 to 40 years we’ll be able to derive eggs and sperm from stem cells, probably the parents’ skin cells. This will allow easy preimplantation genetic diagnosis on a large number of embryos—or easy genome modification for those who want edited embryos instead of just selected ones.”
—Henry Greely, director of the Center for Law and the Biosciences at Stanford University

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112 thoughts on “Will sex become obsolescent?”

  1. jack, as a male you might not want to pursue this line of thought…  think drones. and I’m not talking about the military kind.

    good thread topic tho’


    “I’m voting for the village that raises children, and against the corporation that bleeds the village just to bloat the CEO’s ego.”

    xr, terrific comment.


    craig, as for her positives how about the political courage displayed publically (when few did/do) of standing up to the nra,  actually trying to achieve universal health care (and did achieve for children) and apologizing in person on camera over and over out right saying she was wrong about Iraq vote and about email server?   how many other politicians have had the guts… even tho’ supposedly they have the balls that she physically (but not metaphorically) doesn’t?



  2. The dark side is so attractive…devoid of any light.   Keep kicking the old lady’s ass into the WH.  Vets voting for trump?  Melania an escort?  The discourse is a gossip mill.   Reminder to all intelligent humans…Hillary is not or has never been prez…so to put the whole DC government for the past 30 years at her feet is ridiculous…but, go ahead and continue to hate.  Seems to be all the bitter humans can do…keep feeding on the fried foods of resentment, the spoiled sweets of yesteryear and savor the greasy tidbits of loathing.   What standards are we living by?   I have worked for government and private industry…all the same flawed humans run both, but the government is a bit more level as the public is watching.  Of course we have secrets, lies and ammo…it is what has made America great, not the whining.

    bw, good comment. worthy of repost.

  3. jack, perhaps not only sex but the bodies themselves will become obsolete. remember this one from the earlier trekkie episodes?

    Planet: Triskelion. Members of a species who apparently were humanoid in appearance, but eventually evolved into disembodied brains due to their devotion to intellectual abilities. Three such disembodied brains dwelled below the surface of the planet Triskelion, and control the events which transpire on the surface of the planet for the purposes of their own entertainment — which is namely to capture humanoid species (termed “thralls”) for combative games so that the Provider’s can wager on the winners.  startrek

  4. “evolved into disembodied brains due to their devotion to intellectual abilities”

    hah! no way. devotion to intellectual abilities? not to worry, never happen on this planet.

  5. As entertaining as I find the subject of sex, right now the evil that is Donald Trump is scaring the hell out of me.  He has turned over the rock where we always knew the vicious and ugly resided and they have crawled out into the light only to attract the ignorant and frightened to their causes.  Unfortunately, the Republican party for the sake of money and power is catering to the fear and hatred in hopes it will hang around to cause trouble even after the puppeteer clown has gone down the road of history.  What could follow in his wake could be way more dangerous.

    Fearless leader keeps asking “Why” we are voting for Hillary.  Whether she is your political cup of tea or not, she is at least sane, brilliant, hard working and seemingly decent and kind within at least normal human behavior.

    That Hillary Clinton can prevent a movement that could potentially destroy our Democracy, she more than deserves the office.

  6. Republicans love to talk about the 50’s as though it was some sort of golden era. I’m just not sure that they are ready to go back to a 90 percent tax rate.

  7. Pat

    Will we ever understand the nature of consciousness?“Some philosophers, mystics and other confabulatores nocturne pontificate about the impossibility of ever understanding the true nature of consciousness, of subjectivity. Yet there is little rationale for buying into such defeatist talk and every reason to look forward to the day, not that far off, when science will come to a naturalized, quantitative and predictive understanding of consciousness and its place in the universe.”—Christof Koch, president and CSO at the Allen Institute for Brain Science; member of the Scientific American Board of Advisers



    Notice he didn’t say he had a clue as to what makes up the human mind, just if we give them enough funding he is confident  that they will find out.

    However from my experience  dealing with diabetes a great deal of what makes up The person that is me is dependent on what is going on in my body so having a mind without a body is like talking about an ocean without a planet or water.


  8. Who Gets To Do America’s Laundry

    Great long article that might go a long way to helping Craig see what the Hillary supporters are seeing.  The key is the very last paragraph.

    Hillary Clinton has exhibited a lifetime of the discipline and willingness to do America’s laundry the right way.  I trust her to make sure the detergent and softener are parsed as needed among ALL the clothes; that they will be completely dry the first time, that the socks will be matched and the laundry will be folded.  She has a record of exhibiting the patience to wait until a machine is free.  She has 30 years of taking criticism without tossing one of every pair of socks in the gutter.  She gets satisfaction and fulfillment from seeing her fellow Americans in clean clothes.
    And that’s why she’ll get my vote.

  9. Poobah,

    First, every 4 years or so we elect a president about half of the country hates.  Our politics have become so polarized that is simply an unfortunate fact.

    Second, Jim Webb and his son do deserve our respect for their service.  That said, their pronouncements and comments are fair game.

    Third, I’ll vote for Hillary if for no other reason because of SCOTUS appointments that would fall to the RW.  However, in addition she supports the LGBT community and advocates for rights and protections for that community, she has been a strong advocate for women and children, and unlike drumpf, she has demonstrated the ability to acknowledge her mistakes.  She may not have been able to help get healthcare reform passed as first lady, but she made the effort against incredibly strong odds.  She may have voted for the Iraq authorization for use of military force, but she explained at the time why she was doing so and has acknowledged that it was a mistake. She voted against Bush’s tax reform package.  She made a boneheaded decision to use a private server for her email, which has ironically shown, aside from the release of the emails by the idiotic congress and court, that what was sent through her server was not compromised, unlike information that passed through servers in other, ostensibly more secure servers in traditionally uber secret branches of the government.

    So yes, I’ll vote FOR Hillary.  (I’ll also vote AGAINST drumpf).  It’sa binary choice for me – so I don’t care whether the reason someone pulls the lever (pushes the button or fills in the block) for Hillary is because they are voting FOR Hillary or AGAINST trump, so long as they vote for the D at the top of the ticket.

  10. I like to view Hillary through the lens that shows others whom I admire enjoying being in her company. I have no  doubt that, had they been only a generation apart, that she and Eleanor Roosevelt would thrive in each others company. And our country would be better for it.

    Now what do we have? A Republican campaign to marginalize her contributions to society. And to demonize her in the most vitriolic and personal ways. Examples–blaming her for not being woman enough to keep her husband from straying Then blaming her once again for staying with him. What bastards those repugnant turds be! And this has been going on for more than a dozen years!

    Now we have a practiced entertainer who has used his ability to draw crowds and the pop/news media that follow them to raise the attacks to new levels. God, Goebbels would be so proud! He is so brave–damn the bullets, damn the grenades, damn the truth.

    Yes, this thread is about sex. Next time around, Trump’s hair will be yellow; and, Hillary will have a fully equipped scrotum.

  11. “Will sex become obsolete?”…   Holy orgasm, Batman!…  I hope not…  😉

    I will third Jamie’s comment…

    and I second Flatus’…

  12. Then there is Presidency for Profit.   All the ways Donald Trump is paying himself to campaign.

  13. ap story:
    Fellow Republicans still waiting for Trump’s promised cash
    But while Trump is pulling in donor checks, an Associated Press review of campaign finance filings shows most of his fellow Republicans are still waiting for their cut. And the 2016 presidential nominee has a lot of work to do to if he wants to match the amount of financial aid Mitt Romney gave to his party four years ago.

  14. “That’s all. We need a president we can truly support, not a default option”


    …and I want a pony.

  15. “…and I want a pony.”

    Bink where there is that much horse manure there is bound to be one.

  16. persuasive cases made for Hillary. I’m with Pogo. SCOTUS future is the deal closer for me too.

  17. As a military person, I’m very concerned when a unit leader at any level takes extraordinary personal risk rather than order a competent unit member to perform the very risky task. Here’s why. If the leader is incapacitated in performing the risky act, the unit is left leaderless at a time when established leadership is most needed; the fallout for the unit as a whole could be catastrophic. Although it sounds cold, it’s much preferable to order a lower ranking subordinate perform the risky act. Failing to issue that order should be regarded as a failure in leadership.

    What would I do after the fact? Award the failed leader a medal then place him in a desk job. I would also initiate action to remove his combat specialty. I never went drinking with the people that worked for me. I did tell them to have their affairs in order for their families’ sake.

  18. The discourse is a gossip mill.  – Ms Wino 


    …and I want a pony. – Bink 

    Yeeehaw !

    Bink where there is that much horse manure there is bound to be one. – Jamie

    Horse poop is great for growing mushrooms. Check out any meadow where horses graze.


    1. SCOTUS

    2. Sympathetic to the wishes, wants, hopes, and aspirations of women and minorities

    3. Solar power

    4. Knowledge of how levers, dials, and buttons of government work

    5. She approves of science and empirical research.

    6. National parks, monuments, forests, etc.

    7. I want to see the saudi tyrant kiss her (and his wahabbi morals police try to behead him for doing so)

  20. I want to add that Clinton is the only person from all the candidates in both parties that ran for the nomination that mentioned the lost people of coal country in this election.  She also supports an overturn of Citizen’s United.

    Bink….  well…  I want a unicorn.  Ponies are stubborn, cantankerous, and can be quite nippy…  especially Shetlands.

    OD…  ROFL!

  21. mrs greenspan as usual a stupid bitch trying to pretend she hadn’t pimped out the medical claims

    past her sell-by date by years

  22. When the turtle’s wife was a cabinet sec’y he raised a lot of money through access to her

    not an issue when you are a gooper

  23. Jack,

    ….don’t think that sex will ever be obsolete.  I also think that Patd has it right.  In the future it will be engineered and manipulated.

    Way back before us apes where around….there was about 10-13 Hominids, each of a different species,  Some lasted for a few hundred years, other quite a bit more than that.  We have not been around that long, but almost became extinct a few times.  I think that we were as few as only a couple of handfuls at one time….but here we are….almost 8 bill strong now….

    A while back I read a great book “The red queen and the evolution of mankind”….lots of explanations of our sexual habits, and why it is the driving force of our existence….One example that comes to mind…is why a female might cheat on her husband.  She is not satisfied with his genes, she doesn’t think of this consciously , but deep, deep in her subconscious, she is not satisfied with her husbands genes….she will look for another male to leave an heir….a son strong son to help the species survive….

    A few times we almost became extinct….down to a cpl of handfuls….but look at us now….almost 8 bill strong…

    After working10-12 hrs in 90 plus on some days….all i could think of was a very cold bud wieser…..used to ask my favorite female bartender…..that is after she gave my my 1st bud…..if she thought that sex started mentally or physically……her answer…..”shut up and drink your beer”…..yep TIMING is everything no?


    Pogo,…..Yesterday i forgot to mention that the only reason that im voting for Hillary is b/c of the Supremes…….nol, no, not the group of singers the supremes, pay attention…..the SCOTUS supremes……i see this a huge reason for the first time…later compadre


    ps….little ear worm for the day….for you……”.Stop in the name of love”………ok later just “Think it o-o-over

  24. MRS greenspan can’t even get out a sentence and she had on Chris Ciliizza Hillary Hater

    troll was gaining a little but now is dropping again
    why isn’t the media covering all the cancellation of trump events
    largely due to dropping crowd size

  25. “She is not satisfied with his genes, she doesn’t think of this consciously , but deep, deep in her subconscious, she is not satisfied with her husbands genes”

    The nose knows:  She is also looking for greatest possible genetic difference as being pro survival. A long time ago there was a study done involving women & T-shirts worn by men.  When they compared the genetics of the preferred T-Shirt wearers to those of the women who favored them they turned out to be the healthiest with the most differences from her own.

  26. Solar, see, you are smarter than you give yourself credit for. 🙂 I don’t care what gets you in the voting booth pulling the lever (or whatever) for Hillary so long as you do, but IMHO you’ve picked the single most important reason.  SVOTUS decisions last for generations.  Listening to what trumpf would have as priorities, rights for  folks who visit this blog – Craig, Blue Bronc, etc., could be set back to the days of my childhood.

    And I see that trumpf is devolving into the pander bear on the issue of undocumented aliens (earthlings).

    After spending a few days reflecting on his immigration stances and consulting with Hispanic supporters, Donald Trump on Monday detailed how he would deal with the millions of immigrants illegally living in the United States: Enforce laws that are already on the books and continue to do what President Obama is doing, although “perhaps with a lot more energy.”

    This strategy marks a sudden change for the Republican nominee, who has presented himself as a politically incorrect outsider who is not afraid to take extreme measures to combat illegal immigration, such as deporting 11 million people or constructing a massive wall along the Southern border. For more than a year, Trump insisted that all illegal immigrants “have got to go” and that he would create a “deportation force” to carry out the task.

    Trump struck a starkly different tone during an interview with Bill O’Reilly that aired on Fox News on Monday night. Trump said he would separate the country’s undocumented immigrants into two groups: The “bad ones” who would be kicked out of the country as soon as he takes office and “everybody else” who would go through the same process that the Obama Administration is currently using.

    Hmm, wonder why he changed his stance on that?  Perhaps the 73/22% Hispanic poll numbers reflected in the NBC/Survey Monkey poll?  BTW, check the 2nd article at that site – on trumpf’s rapidly changing positions.

  27. what’s the definition of bad one


    the media continues to be the weakest link in our democracy  (well the Republican party and their desire or anarchy or is that oligarchy )



  28. Jack: I don’t think sex will become obsolete. It’s one of the few free pleasures that we can do for human contact and just plain fun that can’t be done on a smart phone!

    Jamie: What a beautiful love story (Fugelsang article) to read in this era of hate and tragedy. Thank you for sharing it. Also loving the laundry analogy for HRC.

    In other news…Every time I think DT can’t get lower he proves me wrong. He can’t beat Hillary on legitimate political issues so he just keeps egging the government on for more investigations, trying to prove she did something wrong somewhere, sometime, somehow and, of course, all at the expense of tax payers!

    Now he wants the government to go after the Clinton Foundation:


    Seriously, what is wrong with this man? (rhetorical question) What has he ever done for anybody that wasn’t named Donald Trump? How many millions of dollars must be spent to try and discredit HRC before the powers that be face the fact that they are part of nothing more than sexist attempts to maintain the balance of power. I don’t mean the power of the republicans, I’m referring to the preservation of male dominance in our society! It’s hard for us to admit that we all have a little racism in us. It’s even harder for men to admit that they don’t like women in high positions and certainly not in powerful positions, and nothing is more powerful than being POTUS!

    XR: Love the 7 reasons.

    Pogo: DT can never stop changing his stories to try and appeal to intelligent people but the only ones he impresses with that tactic are the morons who believe everything he says in the first place.


    I have been through two floods.  It is nasty, disgusting clean-up

    People need big industrial dryers.  We had flood insurance but it doesn’t cover everything

    SBA  gives out low interest loans to cover the rest

  30. Granny, “DT can never stop changing his stories to try and appeal to intelligent people but the only ones he impresses with that tactic are the morons who believe everything he says in the first place”  … which appears to be just over 40% of the American people.  I need a drink.

  31. Media keeps allowing the Donald Trump spokesclowns to throw turds at the wall over the Clinton Foundation while failing to mention rather important facts such as:

    How much of $32 million donated by Crown Prince went to @ClintonFdn or @ClintonGlobal? Exactly $0 – every cent went to Bahraini students.

    Every time one of these accusations without substance hits, I’m going to sing:

    100 slimy turds on the wall, 100 slimy turds.  Take one down throw it around … 99 slimy turds on the wall.

  32. Jamie: “100 slimy turds on the wall, 100 slimy turds.  Take one down throw it around … 99 slimy turds on the wall.” Playing keyboard accompaniment in the background 🙂

  33. those calling for shutdown of Clinton foundation should be asked specifically about what they have against the global projects the foundation is making possible. example: “sen. goper, why do you want to end project x benefiting farmers in x country?”  there are some life and death consequences other than the political “moral” high ground to consider.  take india for instance.

    times of india:

    In a strong association with India, the Clinton Foundation has worked with generic drug manufacturers to access low cost medicine for the poor across the world, with de-stigmatizing Aids, with helping cashew growers and other small farmers access global markets, and introducing fortified rice in schools, among other projects. But caught in the whirl of partisan politics in the middle of the presidential campaign, the Foundation is on the defensive in America, with possible fall-out on its operations across the world, including in India.

  34. Jamie, following up on your concern re manifestation of possible abuse in drumpf’s childhood, his lack of friends and personal isolation (even in his heyday of party hopping) on sleepover dates seems to verify that possibility.  some of this (the no friends, loneliness, little physical closeness) was brought up in the new book “trump revealed” and talked about in an interview with the authors on npr this morning.

  35. Patd

    Like I said, if he weren’t such an ongoing danger to the country, I would feel sorry for the man.

  36. bink, heads up! meredith mciver sighting in wsj

    Now, new Federal Election Commission disclosures show the Trump campaign paid Ms. McIver a modest amount for her services. Her total payment in July: $356.01.

    That’s less than the $370 the campaign spent on one trip to a New York-based store called One Hour Framing or the $631 it spent on three outings to an Ann Arbor, Mich., Domino’s Pizza.

    The payment, reported by Mother Jones on Tuesday, came on top of the salary Ms. McIver draws as an employee at the Trump Organization, owned by Republican nominee Donald Trump. Because Ms. McIver is a corporate rather than a campaign employee, FEC rules require the campaign to pay her for any campaign work. Otherwise, her services would amount to a corporate contribution to a campaign, which is not allowed.

    The FEC disclosure doesn’t say what the payment was for, but the $356.01 in July marks the only time Ms. McIver has received payment from the campaign, according to the FEC filings.

  37. and keeping with today’s thread topic, a little bit of sex from boston globe re “Trump Revealed: An American Journey of Ambition, Ego, Money, and Power”

    Kranish and Fisher examine Trump’s love life in a chapter called “Best Sex I Ever Had,” a quotation attributed to his second wife, Marla Maples — who Trump began seeing while still married to his first wife, Ivana. The truth is, however, that while Trump has always enjoyed being photographed arm in arm with beautiful women, he really doesn’t have much time for them. “He would crush opponents,” they write. “He would demean ‘losers.’ He would choose to spend time in the office rather than with his wives or children.” It’s the same story with close friends. He doesn’t have many because he hasn’t had time for them either.


  38. cbs: What to know about the newly discovered Hillary Clinton emails

    Will the Clinton email controversy ever end? 

    Even though Clinton has been cleared of any criminal wrongdoing – dozens of civil suits continue to wend their way through the courts, creating fresh controversy.  Judicial Watch sues under public records law — there were by March of last year 10 active Judicial Watch FOIA lawsuits against the State Department related to Clinton’s emails, so no, there probably will not be an end to Judicial Watch’s pursuit of Clinton records. The group has filed 90 lawsuits against President Obama since his presidency began, and it filed 18 lawsuits against Bill Clinton and members of his administration.


    so look for calls of impeachment and more suits when she becomes president.  they’ll never give up ’cause this is a cash cow (the lawsuits, not Hillary) for them.


  39. The alt right noisemakers have been living off of losing for decades.  Election after election, issue after issue, email flood after email flood.  All of it is tiny staff paper work at low expense threatening the true believers with impending doom while emptying their bank accounts.


  40. the alt right ..a nice cover name for nazis

    so the fbi and justice have said there is no evidence to pursue charges against anyone in regard to the Clinton Foundation
    that fact is hardly ever mentioned as the lying losers speculate on what the emails mean

    Let’s start going through everyone’s emails…and see how many inapproriate people the Turtle has seen

    let the tub of lard release his actual medical records– or is he being audited oh yeah what you think he take for

    Kelleyann Condom just said Clinton wouldn’t be anyone if she weren’t married to bill….wonder how that will fly with the women she is trying to attract
    she is truly a disgusting gooper gal

  41. Interesting the Conway is an attorney who went into Republican politics quite successfully.  Married to a man who graduated from Yale, became a lawyer and represented Paula Jones among others.  So did she become a success because of him.  Did he become a success because of her.  Who allowed that nest of snakes to breed?

    Just to be fair they are both quite brilliant and he has a remarkable career whether or not you agree with him: http://www.fed-soc.org/experts/detail/george-t-conway-iii


  42. Just fess up: Clinton Foundation and Hillary State Dept obviously colluded to trade favors. Huma must go.

  43. she’s advertises herself as a specialist in the women’s vote

    how did that work with Ted Cruz and Akin

    She’ s a jr Phyllis Shafely

  44. The condom goes on tv all the time and lies and most tv people just go unhuh

    she has a really loooooooooooooooooooomg nose and red hot panties

    she is a slut for the goopers

  45. I guess just one observation / question?  Have we solved and/or fixed the global warming problem?  I’m not hearing a thing about it.


    Carville: ‘Somebody is going to hell’ over Clinton Foundation attacks

    By Nick Gass

    If the Clinton Foundation had decided not to accept foreign donations while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, as it has recently announced it would do if she is elected president, Carville said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that the “good” thing would be that the organization would not be part of the political discussion.
    Story Continued Below

    “The bad would be you’d be out hundreds of millions of dollars that are doing good. What the Clinton Foundation does, it takes money from rich people and gives it to poor people. Most people think that’s a pretty good idea,” Carville said.

  47. “I guess just one observation / question?  Have we solved and/or fixed the global warming problem?  I’m not hearing a thing about it.”


    Oxone hole shrinking, global temps increasing, sea level rising, climate-related natural disasters more severe.

  48. CNN Host Shuts Down Trump Surrogate’s Attempt To Peddle Clinton Conspiracies (VIDEO)
    Lauren Fox

    The Wisconsin Republican didn’t stop there. He also brought up another widely discredited theory that’s been kicking around since 2012: that Clinton’s longtime aide, Huma Abedin, has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
    “She doesn’t have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,” Keilar said when Duffy asked why CNN wasn’t questioning him about the latest resurgence of right-wing reporting on Abedin.
    “The information is out there that she does have these ties,” Duffy insisted.
    Keilar responded: “No—I don’t know what else to tell you. I’m just telling you how it is.”
    Watch part of their exchange below:

    Wow, its really easy to see Huma is under an incredible orchestrated attack by the right wing Republicans.. We must get it, they will stop at nothing in attempting to elect Trump..

  49. Favors? Accepting prisoners from Gitmo? Refugees from Syria? Docking rights in your ports? or, Just to say thanks for being a good partner for a better world.

  50. Clinton Holds 8 Point Lead Over Trump In National Tracking Poll
    Allegra Kirkland

    Hillary Clinton held on to her significant lead over Donald Trump in the NBC News/Survey Monkey weekly tracking poll out Tuesday, taking 50 percent of the vote among registered voters to Trump’s 42 percent.

    This marks a one-point drop from her 50-41 lead in last week’s survey, suggesting the Republican nominee’s recent shakeup of senior staff and rhetorical olive branches to minorities have not changed voters’ opinions.

  51. So, Webb takes a grenade and is a bad leader, but Hillary can sell access and she is the second coming?  OK.

  52. New York Post & Breitbart Tag Team Huma Abedin
    Taylor Marsh
    Breitbart headline falsely claims Ms. Abedin “published,” when it was her mother’s publication.

    [Huma Abedin’s] parents, Syed Zainul Abedin, born in India, and Saleha Mahmood Abedin, born in Pakistan, were academics. When Abedin was two, they moved from Kalamazoo, Michigan, where she’d been born, to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, to teach. (Her father also started a notable nonprofit, the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs.) At British international schools, she grew up surrounded by other multinational students. [VOGUE Magazine]

    IF AT first your attacks on Hillary Clinton don’t stick, try, try again on a different target.
    One of Clinton’s most talented aides, Huma Abedin, has a background rich in multicultural experiences and traditions that frighten Sean Hannity. The case from there is easy to build.
    Tag-teaming on Huma Abedin, two articles by the New York Post appeared over the weekend, backed with gusto by Breitbart, whose chief message man is now at the top of the Trump campaign.
    Smelling clickbait, the Daily Mail has joined in.
    From the Post

    However, soon after that “historic and transformational” 1995 event, as Clinton recently described it, her top aide Huma Abedin published articles in a Saudi journal taking Clinton’s feminist platform apart, piece by piece. At the time, Abedin was assistant editor of the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs working under her mother, who remains editor-in-chief. She was also working in the White House as an intern for then-first lady Clinton.
    […] In a separate January 1996 article, Abedin’s mother — who was the Muslim World League’s delegate to the UN conference — wrote that Clinton and other speakers were advancing a “very aggressive and radically feminist” agenda that was un-Islamic and wrong because it focused on empowering women.

    The above is followed by several more paragraphs about Abedin’s mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, and her writing associated with a non-profit started by her father, Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs, which the Post and Breitbart work mightily to wrap around her daughter.
    I can’t wait for the article, HUMA MARRIED A JEW!, from these clowns.
    But the Post’s real question is

    If fighting for women’s rights is one of Clinton’s greatest achievements, why has she retained as her closest adviser a woman who gave voice to harsh Islamist critiques of her Beijing platform?

    You cannot blame the daughter for her parents’ beliefs, let alone their writings. What you can attribute to the parents is how their child turned out, the choices she has made and where she has landed.
    The sticky, poisonous spider web that the New York Post is spinning and Breitbart is churning out is nothing new for the right.
    Torturing facts by claiming that Saleha Mahmood Abedin, Huma’s mother, has poisoned her daughter’s mind and that she was responsible for her mother’s words and beliefs are laying the groundwork for a battle cry that we heard often about President Barack Obama, a Christian born in Hawaii.
    Donald Trump was one of the original birthers.
    A Muslim in the White House, oh my, and she’s got roots in the Middle East.
    Huma Abedin was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan, then moved to Saudi Arabia. Her experience and education are multicultural.
    Oh, and she’s a devout Muslim.
    Need I say more?

    “The summary of how it feels is like every day you’re drinking from a fire hose.” – Huma Abedin

  53. So, Webb takes a grenade and is a bad leader, but Hillary can sell access and she is the second coming?  OK.

    All of this is false.  There is no evidence any access was sold.  If you’ve got it -there are a lot of people who would like to see you.

    I’m sure Webb served honorably in the military but recent remarks about him were made about his political career not his military career.

    I didn’t know if you served in the military that gave you pass for being a jerk in your non-military life.

    So are you related to Jar Jar Binks and I’m really glad you are –back or here whatever


  54. I think the Clintons don’t see any advantage is ever saying they made a mistake  because it wouldn’t be bygones – it would be part of the conversation for eternity.  We are still talking about Vince Foster for heaven’s sake.

    And why should they care about a lazy, really lazy political journalists  No cares what they say anyway.  Clinton has the  DNC and labor for GOTV and the rest of the political class can take a flying leap


  55. “Just fess up: Clinton Foundation and Hillary State Dept obviously colluded to trade favors. Huma must go.”

    Craig, What favors were traded?

    Or do you not allow facts to get in the way of your prejudices?


  56. the hill
    Kaine, addressing the annual conference of Iron Workers International in Las Vegas on Monday, hit Trump for attacking the Clinton Foundation while details of the GOP presidential nominee’s own finances remain scarce.
    “The Clinton Foundation is a nonprofit organization that is a world-class charity that’s provided lifesaving AIDS drugs,” Kaine said.
    “Before you go out attacking a charity, why don’t you come clean about your own business dealings? Why don’t you tell us who you are in debt to?”

    During the speech, Kaine questioned why Trump hasn’t expanded on his business dealings to provide a fuller picture to the public, pointing to recent news reports that found Trump holds at least $650 million in debt to backers including the Bank of China and Goldman Sachs. 
    “He’s at the center of a vast global web of financial relationships,” Kaine said. “We’ve got to know who Donald Trump is beholden to because we don’t want to be tricked by Trump.”

  57. “What the Clinton Foundation does, it takes money from rich people and gives it to poor people. Most people think that’s a pretty good idea,” Carville said.

    didn’t that kind of thing use to be called “privatization” and prized by the same people who now are seeing it as evil, as an albatross and morally suspect or corrupt?  isn’t that what most churches and other charities do?  or are we supposed to only take from the poor and give to the rich.

    have any of these critics looked at their senators and reps appointment calendars lately to see the percentage of donors who get access?


    Sure shut it down because the GOP is engaged in political turd throwing.  What do we have to lose?  They will die eventually anyway.

  59. OK,

    I am past the age of ProCreation!

    And nothing is going to help Hillary and to see the attacks and how they are running SCARED now that Trump has turned the corner and he will be the next POTUS !!!

  60. When the Dem is tied in South Carolina  i don’t think Trump has turned the corner — he’s not even on the same block

  61. The truth of Hillary’s lies will come crashing down very soon.  The truth is she wants to be the President of the world and put U.S. second.  Once the media stops the MICRO coverage of DT and gets to the message that he is putting U.S. first and that the TALKING IGNORANT HEADS on most of the Editorial coverage that is called News is exposed,  the people will make the best choice and that is Donald Trump.

  62. speaking of paying for access
    Trump’s $100,000 “donation” for flood victims goes to anti-gay Christian hate group.
    According to reports, a $100,000 donation made by Trump to supposedly help Louisiana residents affected by the recent floods is actually going to the Greenwell Springs Baptist Church, an anti-LGBT church whose interim pastor is the notorious Tony Perkins, head of the infamously homophobic Family Research Council.
    The donation was confirmed by CNN’s Ashley Killough via Twitter:
    – See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/08/trump-donates-100k-to-anti-gay-hate-group/#sthash.FATVYvE9.dpuf

    I guess he;s given up on the gays

  63. CRAIG,

    Is there a federal regulation regarding the term NEWS?  How does Fox, CNN, HLN all call themselves news when it is mostly EDITORIAL?

    I would like to file a federal law suit so that they will disclose the fact that they are NOT NEWS. They are all on a mission and it is a dangerous problem of our false economy.


  64. KCG,

    Donald Trump does not have an issue with the LGBTQ community.  I know a few that have this position and I will respect their thoughts.  I am confident that Donald Trump is supportive and time to stop trying to use this against DT.

  65. And Hey KCG !!! Hope you are doing well……  And to the other Crawfordlisters   I love the dialogue….

  66. Craig

    All I see is a revolving door common to majority of politicians.  Rich and powerful people like to hang out with other rich and powerful people … they even marry each other or arrange for the kids to marry each other.  As far as I can see no laws were broken nor forbidden access given.  This is how things get done.  You don’t like it?  Change the laws.   Even the Clinton email reads:

    “Yeah! Is he now official? Can I call him? Can I ask him to start?” she wrote in an Aug. 28, 2009 email to her chief of staff, Cheryl Mills.

    That may be a wink and a nod, but it does demonstrate that the walls were there and observed. Kelly did great work in Ireland and when he left the State department he used the contacts he had made to build a consulting business that eventually gave a whole lot of money to the CGI


    Some people got rich.  Who was harmed?



  67. Craig,

    I would like to follow up on the FCC regulations and the use of the term news and failure to disclose Editorial. Is there such a regulation?  It seems so false to watch CNN, FOX and HLN with the sometimes subtle and sometime overt comments that are clearly not news but editorial.

  68. Ping, I ask the same of you I’ve asked of Hillary supporters: What are you voting FOR? And trashing Hillary as a rationale doesn’t count.

  69. Teneo if you read the  Judicial Watch meh

    but again I don’t see any thing illegal

    “look it up” sounds like Guiliani talking about clinton’s health

    As nearly as I can tell this is about how things look nt what happened.

    I hope I am judged on the things I have done not what other people think I did

  70. KGC

    Your commentary is 100%!! Trump has met more than once with the anti gay crowd Tony Perkins included.. More than once using gays as a prop as target of ISIS.. A big LIAR and it’s so easy for his supporters who happen to be straight like my co worker Grace to be easily duped..

    As Cher said on Lawrence O. tonight, “my people (LGBTQ) will not be fooled, he’s not for us.”

    The lame media won’t get their way in the both sides do it, false equivalency routine… Hillary wins..


    Republican’s will lose again big as they should.. Your people should have listened to their own autopsy in 2012…. I knew they wouldn’t.. The hater’s in the Republican base have to die off, it’s the only way..

  71. Raising Money for Clinton, Cher Sounds Off (and Not Just About Trump)
    Johnathon Martin

    Prompting a mix of nervous laughter and applause, she added, “She is shy, and she’s not the greatest speaker in the world.”
    Cher said Mrs. Clinton had told her of being deeply affected by her failed effort to spearhead an overhaul of the nation’s health care system in 1993. “She got so crushed by the G.O.P., just for trying to set up health care, and she never thought it would be so personal, and she said it made her kind of pull in.”
    “I hope she doesn’t mind my telling this story,” Cher said, adding: “Too late now!”
    Her 16-minute remarks, recorded by an attendee and posted on Facebook, offered a colorful glimpse at a part of the presidential campaign that has been mainly off-limits to the general public and journalists this election cycle. Both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump have generally barred reporters from attending their fund-raisers.
    As Cher demonstrated, the language used in private settings like the event on Cape Cod — which brought in more than $1 million for Mrs. Clinton’s campaign — can be more inflammatory and raw than what is said with a bank of television cameras present.
    And it was not just the entertainer, whose Twitter posts often employ a toilet emoji instead of Mr. Trump’s name, who spoke bluntly.
    Mrs. Clinton, who often discusses how well she was able to work with Republicans during her tenure in the Senate, took the stage and acknowledged former Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, noting that he has been promoting a new bumper sticker.
    “I think it is something like, ‘Democrats Aren’t Perfect — but They’re Nuts!’” said Mrs. Clinton. “You understand that.”

  72. re sex :

    woody allen said, “I’m the best I ever had.”

    ben carson said, “I have gifted hands.”

    deadbeat donald said, “Look at those hands, are they small hands?”

    Alien Melania said, “Let’s give donald a big hand !”

  73. Not worried about sex becoming obsolescent, people are always gonna wanna get laid!  BW, Jamie, Flatus -great posts.  I am however worried about you Craig- am truly hoping you’re back at experimenting with the lab rats. Yesterday was disturbing enough and then to see you attack Huma  and the Foundation which has been so innovative and assisted over 400 million people. Stopped by to praise the earlier comments and to share a Bill and Hill report from my friend but after reading Craig’s  comment all i can do is shake my head and walk the fuck away and pray.

  74. 9:26 pm : Mr pong reads Ms Clinton’s mind. Doesn’t like what he sees.

    11:00 pm : American Association of Mind Readers points out that Mr pong is an unlicensed mind reader, having failed his certification exam. Spokesperson Bolliver ‘Biff’ Spong said that Mr pong should stick to phrenology.

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