50 thoughts on “Open Thread”

  1. since this is an open thread, I would like to open it with a question in response to a previous thread quoting the twit entitled “what you see and hear is not what really is happening” or something like that.

    my question:  what is really happening?

  2. that question should be answered in 2 ways:

    1. what does the twit actually think is “really happening”

    2. what is REALLY happening

  3. Answer to question #1 – I do not think we can guess what floats around in an old man’s mind which might be suffering from Alzheimer’s, dementia, ravages of perhaps syphilis infection and just in general a very low intelligence being.  I do think the sky in his universe is brown, a very thick brown.

  4. Oh no….   all the best to your Dad and to you, Craig.

    I agree with BlueB… the color of SFB’s aura is shitty brown.

  5. He suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder with Delusions of Grandeur.  His behavior tracks almost right on with the symptomology described in the DSMV.

    That is what is going on here.  This is our reality.  This is about him and only him.  He does what he thinks will bring him praise and accolades.  He has no realistic thoughts about serving / helping others – unless it brings him praise and accolades.  And his caring / serving is short-term and fleeting, and will disappear as soon as any chance for praise disappears.  He puts his name on steaks.  He seeks sexual gratification in almost total disregard for social norms.

    He surrounds himself with people who worship him.  His staff is afraid to tell him almost any truth.  He is surrounded with yes men/women.

    When challenged or criticized he strikes out viciously.  The truth is a fleeting tool for him, rarely used and often abused.  It all depends on what brings him praise and accolades.  He uses the “lie” as a propaganda tool – repeating it over and over and over until it’s realized as truth.

    He is a narcissist.  He is dangerous.  He will make a great faciast.  He would love to be a dictator.  But his mental illness will get in the way of him understanding how our democracy works and he will end up a stain on our history.  I hope!

  6. dv300, thanks for reminding us about what also can be referred to as severe trumpitis.  interesting how well mayo clinic defines  NPD to fit the twit’s personality [can see shrinks chuckling as they write]:
    Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

    Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
    Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
    Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
    Exaggerate achievements and talents
    Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
    Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
    Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
    Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
    Take advantage of others to get what they want
    Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
    Be envious of others and believe others envy them
    Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
    Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

    At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

    Become impatient or angry when they don’t receive special treatment
    Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
    React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
    Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
    Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
    Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
    Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation


  7. also from mayo’s overview of NPD:

    A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they’re not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

  8. Craig, all the best to your dad.  I hope everything works out OK.  My dad has been in and out of the hospital for 7 months now – CHF and kidney problems.  I understand.

  9. Craig and Elder Crawford…sending energy and water.  Mr. Crawford sounds dehydrated on top of his problems.  Good luck to you, too, DVitale.   That trip, back and forth to Phoenix, is a rough one.

  10. Craig, a suggestion for tomorrow’s post?  And open post called TRIALmix.    I hope the spotlight on manafort’s crimes wakes-up some Americans.  It certainly has gotten trump’s attention.

  11. Thanks all, he’s more worried about Toby than himself. Luckily her separation anxiety doesn’t manifest, gets along ok by herself, just not pleased about it. Anyway he wants me to check on her first when I get there.

    On Trump’s NPD, yes that’s the spot-on diagnosis. Having known one and researched it, the saddest part is that the only cure is years of psychotherapy. Howard Stern is the only treatment success I’ve heard of, at least that’s what he says about himself in an interview on Letterman’s Netflix show.

  12. An article before trump that details malignant narcissism — and trump has put the malignant back into narcissism.

    From the Officer (2008)

    The DSM-IV-TR, a manual that mental health professionals use to diagnose mental disorders classifies Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) as a psychological personality disorder. The disorder is characterized by grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy. NPD is not mere “narcissism” in the usual sense of the word. To distinguish it from healthy self-love, the term “malignant narcissism” has been coined for NPD. Don’t confuse NPD (malignant narcissism) with what people usually mean when they say someone is “narcissistic.” Despite the superficial similarities, one is benign, the other is malignant. Malignant narcissism is a deeply perverted self-love. A malignant narcissist doesn’t just revere himself; he demands others revere him as well. If the victim of the narcissist fails to revere him, he/she will invariably be subjected to emotional, mental or even physical abuse.

    There has been no real success in treating people with NPD. 


  13. My ex-FIL was a malignant narcissist and he sent everyone into therapy…he could have been a trump twin.   Easy to spot and even harder to elect, putie knew this before he released the malignancy on us all.   The stain will be with us for years.

    Toby…Craig is on his way!

  14. I think it is important that ‘malignant’ is used in describing the disorder.    The whole country will have PTSD after this is over and it will eventually be over.   I doubt anyone will let this putie puppet fulfill he destiny dictator dream.  He is the pretend potus..never was elected and the crimes of his campaign will come to light.

  15. BW, only when the crimes of certain critters in power start coming to light will they do anything.  flipping like flapjacks.   a virtual IHOP on the hill.

  16. The motivator for everyone in DC is to get reelected.  The ONLY way this is going to be reversed is by threatening the reelection of congress.  That’s is what Trump is doing to keep control of the Republicans in congress – threatening to “primary” from the Trump far right.

    As a side note, I wonder if Mueller is planning to give the country an “October Surprise” by striking before the election.  That would give the Dems some really cool talking points fore their campaigns.

  17. an update for bink from atlanta journal:
    Hundreds of people, including a survivor of the February mass school shooting in Florida, rallied in Atlanta on Sunday afternoon for legislation at preventing gun violence and making schools safer.
    Their main theme was clear: Vote this November in order to elect lawmakers who will enact preferable policies. Their preferred candidate in the Georgia’s governor’s race was also clear: They cheered a reference to Democratic Party nominee Stacey Abrams and booed a reference to Republican Party nominee Brian Kemp. Abrams backs gun control measures, while Kemp wants to expand gun rights.
    The rally, held at Georgia State University’s Rialto Center for the Arts, was organized by March For Our Lives, the organization started and led by students who survived the Feb. 14 shooting that killed 17 students and staff members at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
    Jaclyn Corin, who survived the shooting, urged people to turn out to vote this November. She pushed for more polling places and for states to create more early voting opportunities.

    “That kind of fear has no place in any school,” she said of gun violence. “That kind of fear has no place anywhere in the United States of America.”

    Sunday’s event was part of a nationwide tour to maintain awareness about the issue. Several people were invited to discuss their personal experiences involving gun violence. Students outside Georgia who were part of the rally said they were inspired by Sunday’s crowd, which appeared to be about 300 people.



  18. sorry, inadvertently hit post.

    What’s really going on?

    How about – in the first 17 months of his “presidency” SFB created jobs at about 13000 per month less than Obama did in his last 18 months.  How about 1.4% of the 4.1% GDP growth for the last quarter was fueled by China stockpiling soybeans in anticipation of tariffs kicking in and increased government spending?  And how about that 4.1% growth rate stands behind 4 of the quarters in Obama’s presidency and 13 of the quarters in Clinton’s?  Oh, and economists expect the 2nd 1/4 growth rate to be an aberrations and that growth will be less than 3% over the next 5 quarters.  (All compliments of Steve Rattner’s analysis on Morning Joe today.  Full disclosure – some of my numbers may be wrong – I don’t really do numbers and don’t have access to a link to the Rattner segment from this morning.  Anyone able to post that?)

  19. bink, their stop in Tallahassee this weekend even made the Honolulu star adv:


    For the past several weeks, they have undertaken a two-pronged “Road to Change” bus tour crisscrossing the nation and Florida to register voters and encourage them to cast ballots in November. When both buses reunited in the state capital Saturday, they brought some of those student activists back to Tallahassee for the first time since they had urged lawmakers to take action on stopping gun violence.
    About a dozen speakers urged attendees to stay invested in their political system. Organizers registered people to vote and dozens of attendees waved signs reading “grab them by their midterms” and depicting Xs over the NRA.
    The bus tours have raised a few hundred dollars to a few thousand at every stop, registering dozens of voters at each location. Jaclyn Corin, the junior class president who has become one of the movement’s core organizers, said they intended to release the number of voters registered at the end of the tour, but organizer Amit Dadon estimated about 2,000 new voters have been registered by the group.
    There are early indicators that voters may be paying attention. An analysis by TargetSmart, a data firm aligned with Democrats, showed the rate of new under-30 voter registrations across Florida has soared. It showed an increase of 41 percent of young voters in the 2 1/2 months after the shooting, compared with the number of such voters who registered during the comparable period before Feb. 14.
    But similar increases were also observed in 2014, when Republicans were able to retain the governorship and win back a competitive Miami congressional district in that year’s midterm elections. Only 20 percent of the 18- to 29-year-olds who registered from December to April ended up voting in that year.
    The March For Our Lives group intends to keep voters involved to boost voter turnout in November. Their ongoing tour will stretch into August, as the national bus tour heads next to Atlanta, then up the East Coast. The Florida bus tour will also add an out-of-state leg through Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, the group announced.

  20. I found the segment from MoJo but there didn’t seem to be alink to the segment.  It’s called fact checking trump’s claims about the economy.  I’m updating my prior comments:

    How about – in the first 17 months of his “presidency” SFB created jobs at about 13000 per month less than Obama did in his last 18 months (193K for SFB, 206K for Obama).  How about 1.4% of the 4.1% GDP growth for the last quarter was fueled by China stockpiling soybeans (0.6%) in anticipation of tariffs kicking in and increased government spending and tax cuts (0.8%)?  And how about that 4.1% growth rate stands behind 4 of the quarters in Obama’s presidency and 13 of the quarters in Clinton’s and 12 of the quarters in Reagan’s?  Oh, and Goldman Sachs economists expect the 2nd 1/4 growth rate to be an aberration and that growth will be less than 3% over the next 5 quarters – dropping to 3% then progressing to 1.5% over 5 quarters.  And how about the trade deficit dropped $52B since SFB took office?  Yes, and it’s the highest since 2006.  But most importantly, beyond the cheer leading for the economy, average workers’ wages, adjusted for inflation, were 0.3% under Obama and have been 0% under SFB.  (All compliments of Steve Rattner’s analysis on Morning Joe today.  Full disclosure – some of my numbers may still be wrong – I still don’t really do numbers)  The clip is at msnbc.com.  Search for Morning Joe, go to the fact checking video posted on the MoJo page.

    And lest we forget that in May America’s mayor and SFB’s paid liar, Roody Julie Annie called Michael Cohen an ‘Honorable lawyer’ – yesterday he called him a pathological liar.  Gee, what could have possibly changed?

  21. Only 20 percent of the 18- to 29-year-olds who registered from December to April ended up voting in that year.

    patd, and therein lies the problem.

  22. Those kids are worth a double armload of Ocasios

    Craig, sounds as if your dad’s priorities are in the right place. Y’all take care of one another


  23. The Cracker household recommends tart cherry juice on a regular basis.

    Mr. C has a pacemaker — very easy surgery and as long as one cooperates the recovery is easy.

  24. Pogo, thanks for the post, scheduled it for tomorrow morning since this thread is well underway. Anyone else who can contribute, i’ll sked them for following days, first come. Thanks. Off to airport now.

  25. pogo, add this to that reality list
    Trump’s tariffs hurt Americans, Koch says

    GOP actions dismay conservative allies
    Fredreka Schouten


    Some Koch aides were more pointed, slamming Trump’s decision last week to use a program from the Great Depression to pay up to $12 billion to aid U.S. farmers hurt by the administration’s trade disputes with China and others.
    Given China’s history of buying U.S. Treasury securities, Chinese money could help fund the farm bailout if borrowing is required. “It’s a bailout of bad policy,” network spokesman James Davis said.
    “You can’t make this up,” he said. “We put tariffs supposedly to put pressure on China. Then, it actually hurts farmers here. Crops waste away in the field, and then you pull a Depression-era program out to bail out farmers, but who’s underwriting our debt?”

  26. bw, trial foreplay….
    (Bloomberg) — Paul Manafort, President Donald Trump’s onetime campaign chairman, earned more than $60 million as a political consultant in Ukraine, U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller said on the eve of his criminal trial, providing the first tally of Manafort’s income there.
    Prosecutors intend to prove that Manafort made that much and “failed to report a significant percentage of it on his tax returns,” according to a filing by Mueller on Monday in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia. Jury selection begins Tuesday in Manafort’s bank- and tax-fraud trial.
    Lawyers for Manafort asked the judge to bar jurors from seeing 51 exhibits detailing his work over a decade in Ukraine, where he advised former President Viktor Yanukovych, his Party of Regions and its successor, the Opposition Bloc. Manafort argued that the 474 pages include “irrelevant, prejudicial and unnecessarily time-consuming evidence.”
    But in response, Mueller’s prosecutors said the exhibits proved “the precise manner in which Manafort worked for Ukraine,” including how he worked on the presidential election in 2010 and parliamentary elections in 2012. He also worked on local elections and did political consulting and lobbying work for Yanukovych.
    “The documents establish the breadth of the work that Manafort performed, including commissioning television ads, writing speeches and carrying on campaign-related activities,” according to the filing. “There is nothing prejudicial about documents setting forth how the ads were made, how consultants were paid and who approved their work.”
    Some exhibits also show how some Ukrainian oligarchs paid Manafort through foreign accounts, particularly in Cyprus. The indictment of Manafort said he made “tens of millions” of dollars in Ukraine from 2006 to 2015, moved money from Cyprus to pay U.S. vendors to fund a lavish lifestyle and avoided paying taxes on income by disguising it as loans from offshore shell companies. It said that $75 million flowed through the accounts and that he laundered $30 million.
    The emails and memorandums in dispute contain evidence about the identity of sources of income in Ukraine, particularly “the oligarchs who instituted the practice of paying Manafort via foreign accounts,” the filing said.
    Although prosecution witnesses will testify about the work Manafort did and how he was paid, it would be “fundamentally unfair” to keep jurors from seeing evidence that corroborates such testimony, according to the filing.

  27. Manafort has a condo in trump tower

    cohen had an office in trump tower

    and it seems a number of other folks of interest including mother russians have apartments, condos, offices and/or listening devices in trump tower.

    why not save money and conduct the trials, hearings and juror housing at twit tower?

  28. It is not allowing me to create a new post at present as site is still suffering from the whirling rainbow.  Just a suggestion for anyone who can get in:  It is Summer What Are You Doing Instead of keeping a close eye on the incredible shriveling brain in the White House?

    For my family this coming Saturday it is the Midsummer Renaissance Faire.  While the grandsons are boffing, and the son is blacksmithing, and everyone is dining, playgoing, and general merriment involving Queen and company, the granddaughter-in-law and I will adjourn to a shady place

    Within are shows most naughty

    Forfeit reputation and soul

    Join us in the Duchess’s boudoir

    For entertainments most wicked!

    One of the highlights is always B.O.W.I (Band of Wandering Idiots) Band.  So just to get in the mood:

    Ah Me Boys

    Step It Out Mary



  29. Something fun occurred while I was the VA medical center waiting to be called and the television was on CNN, apparently faux snooze is no longer allowed on televisions.  Several segments went through and then SFB was on a segment.  People laughed. Let’s say that the idiot has lost the veteran vote.

  30. Good Q, Ms Pat !

    After the trials and sentences, the So District of NY could seize the trump tower as a small part of the fine, and move into it. The trump grand salon would make a great courtroom, and the Clerk of Court could use the trump’s Gold Pissoir.

  31. Mr Crawford, Esq., Please give my warm regards to the Mr Crawford, the Elder. A pat on the back for Toby is also in order. I hope that you have comfortable ride and smooth airport experiences. Please, ‘Hi!’ Mr Blank for me.

  32. ???

    the hill:
    Rudy Giuliani on Monday rejected purported claims by President Trump‘s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, that at least five Trump aides participated in a planning session days before a Trump Tower meeting with a Russian attorney in June 2016.
    Giuliani, who represents Trump in the Russia investigation, claimed in an interview early Monday that Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis, had said that a group of Trump aides — Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates and at least one other unidentified person — had met to strategize for a planned meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya days later. Davis is a columnist for The Hill.
    In that interview on CNN, Giuliani made clear that President Trump was not at the planning meeting.

    But in a later Fox News interview, Giuliani claimed that the planning meeting never actually happened, and suggested that Cohen had fabricated the story.
    “He says there was a meeting with Donald Jr., with Jared Kushner, with Paul Manafort, with Gates and possibly two others in which they, out of the presence of the president, discuss the meeting with the Russians,” Giuliani said.
    “We checked with their lawyers — the ones we could check with — for four of the six,” he continued. “That meeting never, ever happened. It didn’t happen. It’s a figment of his imagination or is lying.”


    While the meeting with Veselnitskaya was first reported last year by The New York Times, the idea of an alleged planning meeting days earlier had not been broached publicly until Giuliani’s comments on Monday.


  33. Bloomberg:

    Petition to Bar Steve Bannon From Entering U.K. Gathers Support
    A petition to bar Steve Bannon from entering the U.K. looks set to reach the 10,000 signatories needed to get a response from the government.

    Bannon, a former chief strategist in Donald Trump’s administration, “is dangerous and really shouldn’t be in the country” due to his support for British anti-Islam campaigners, said Bruce Johnston, a citizen activist who sponsored the petition. “We need to get to the stage where we protect our democracy.”


  34. If you haven’t looked at WaPo tonight go there, do not pass go, do not collect $200, but read the first 3 article titles. Stupid assholes have been taken again.

  35. Thanks for the update on the March Against Gun Violence movement, patd.

    Best wishes to all-around cool dude Crawford the Elder.  Toby, too.

  36. Julie Annie must be brain dead and camera addicted :

    “While the meeting with Veselnitskaya was first reported last year by The New York Times, the idea of an alleged planning meeting days earlier had not been broached publicly until Giuliani’s comments on Monday.” – The Hill

  37. pogo, so noted.  another article also caught my eye just beyond those three mentioned.

    In the worldwide capital of leaks and anonymous dishing that is Washington, secrets can be almost impossible to keep.
    But somehow over the past 19 months, the fact that America’s most famous investigative journalist was quietly chipping away at a book that delves into the dysfunctions of President Trump’s White House remained largely unknown. On Monday night, that veil of secrecy will be lifted when Simon & Schuster plans to announce that it will publish “Fear: Trump in the White House” by Bob Woodward on Sept. 11, according to a copy of the release obtained by The Washington Post.
    In the book, Woodward’s 19th, the 75-year-old journalist and author “reveals in unprecedented detail the harrowing life inside President Donald Trump’s White House and precisely how he makes decisions on major foreign and domestic policies,” the publisher’s release states.

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