Those Were the Days, My Friend

By Patd, a Trail Mix Contributor

A worthwhile hour and a half of bi-partisan, civil and warm conversation for your enjoyment (begins at 16:00 in the video):

President George W. Bush and President Bill Clinton participate in a conversation focused on leadership moderated by financier and philanthropist David Rubenstein at the George W. Bush Presidential Center in Dallas.

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  1. Silly observation, but those are neat lucite tables on the stage. Seamlessly blends in yet highly functional. Well done.

    And they have real glasses, not water bottles. Little touches count when setting an atmosphere. Grown ups here.

     

  2. note to trail, bill and dubya discussion doesn’t start until 16 minutes in on the leadership video.  enjoy.

  3. Those Were the Days” is a song credited to Gene Raskin, who put a new English lyric to the Russian romance song “Dorogoi dlinnoyu”, composed by Boris Fomin with words by the poet Konstantin Podrevsky. It deals with reminiscence upon youth and romantic idealism. [wiki]

  4. from wapo:

    Between its “Fox and Friends” morning show and Sean Hannity at night, Fox News has become a haven for those who think this whole Russia thing is nonsense. On Friday morning, Steve Doocy even declared that “the Russia story is starting to fall apart.”

    But on Friday afternoon, a Fox host went off on the Trump administration’s handling of Russia in a way we’ve rarely seen.

    Shepard Smith is no stranger to challenging the administration and occasionally launching into personal editorials — including one about refugees back in 2015. But on Friday afternoon, he took it a step further, repeatedly accusing the administration of lying, deception and a coverup.

    After reporting that there appeared to be more people in that meeting with Russian lawyer than previously acknowledged, Smith had either a Howard Beale or a Walter Cronkite moment, depending on your perspective, and he lit into the White House.

    Here’s the transcript:

    We’re still not clean on this, Chris [Wallace]. If there’s nothing there — and that’s what they tell us, they tell us there’s nothing to this and nothing came of it, there’s a nothingburger, it wasn’t even memorable, didn’t write it down, didn’t tell you about it, because it wasn’t anything so I didn’t even remember it — with a Russian interpreter in the room at Trump Tower? If all of that, why all these lies? Why is it lie after lie after lie? If you clean, come on clean, you know? My grandmother used to say when first we practice to — Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. The deception, Chris, is mind-boggling. And there are still people who are out there who believe we’re making it up. And one day they’re gonna realize we’re not and look around and go, Where are we, and why are we getting told all these lies?

  5. from cnn:

    The June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort included at least eight people.
    The revelation of additional participants comes as The Associated Press first reported Friday that a Russian-American lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin said he also attended the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr. CNN has reached out to Akhmetshin for comment.
    So far acknowledged in attendance: Trump Jr., Kushner, Manafort, Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, Akhmetshin and publicist Rob Goldstone, who helped set up the meeting. A source familiar with the circumstances told CNN there were at least two other people in the room as well, a translator and a representative of the Russian family who had asked Goldstone to set up the meeting. The source did not provide the names.

    [story continues]

  6. I cannot believe this happened but I know it did

    A friend suffered a broken leg and is in a convalescence care and rehab facility because of another condition she was transferred to a hospital for 5 days -and then returning to the rehab facility.

    The rehab business manager asked them to pay 1500 (300 per day) to “hold her bed”  as if things aren’t expensive enough.  I don’t think a claiming payment is covered by insurance

    They told them no they would take their chances.

    But reallly?????????

     

  7. Is it treason yet? Not sure but if scuttling a possible peace deal is not treason perhaps meeting with the Russians isn’t either. Then again both actions were taken with only one thing in mind., and that was to influence the outcome of an election.

  8. W looks good in comparison to Trump, but it is still almost impossible for me to listen to him without throwing up a little in my mouth. God what a disaster he was and we are still paying the price.

  9. Indeed that was enjoyable, PatD, thanks for posting. As fun as it would have been to hear them trash you-know-who like you know they want to (he was never mentioned), it was a more positive discussion without it

  10. bbronc, bet you don’t feel nearly as old as venus does right now.  anyway you ain’t really old ’til those sons are older than all the racers combined.  🙂

    Muguruza powered her way to her first title at Wimbledon and second at a Grand Slam tournament Saturday, beating a fading Venus Williams 7-5, 6-0 by claiming the final’s last nine games. [….]

    At 37, Williams was bidding for her sixth championship at the grass-court major, 17 years after her first. And she was so close to gaining the upper hand against Muguruza, holding two set points at 5-4 in the opener. But Muguruza fought those off and did not drop a game the rest of the way.

  11. boss, you’re welcome.  dubya had his say earlier:

    ….according to three people who were present, Bush gave a brief assessment of Trump’s inaugural after leaving the dais: “That was some weird shit.” All three heard him say it.

  12. xr, looks like you Minnesotans have a new political star on the horizon.

    startribune:

    State Rep. Ilhan Omar was the featured guest Thursday evening on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show,”….

    The DFLer from Minneapolis, in her first term, is the nation’s first Somali-American legislator. During her appearance on the show, she spoke about coming to the United States after living in a refugee camp in Somalia and her decision to go into politics.
    Omar said she wants Americans of all backgrounds to find more common ground and to take time to get to know each other. That goal extends to President Donald Trump, whom she said she has invited to visit Minneapolis to share a cup of Somali tea and conversation.

    “I invited President Trump twice now to come meet my family and my community because he seems to have a lot of opinions about the kind of people we are,” she said. “We shouldn’t judge a book by its cover. We should at least take time to get to know them.”
    [….]
    “You are someone who is all too familiar with being a refugee,” he said. “You’re from Somalia, you’re also a Muslim person, you’re also a woman. You are everything that President Trump seems to be against, and you’re in government. What’s the plan?”

    “I am America’s hope and the president’s nightmare,” Omar replied.

    Minnesota State Representative Ilhan Omar was on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah Thursday night. (1:02)
    WCCO This Morning – July 14, 2017

  13. on the health care front here’s a rundown of governors on both sides holding up the GOP bill due to its Medicaid cuts. I really don’t get the conservative obsession on this. I understand its costly (about half the defense budget), but it seems to go further than that, like an ideological crusade for some. They gave up tax cuts before Medicaid cuts in this latest draft (for now), that shows you just how obsessed they are with this program. I know there’s the “oh they just hate poor people” argument but that still doesn’t explain it to my mind. I don’t see a political imperative on the ground that makes sense for this. Sure, they ran on abolishing Obamacare but I don’t think their voters understand that means savaging Medicaid.

  14. they and he-whom-they-worship are obsessed with eradicating all trace of the black man in the white house.  if critterville had stuck with referring to aca as romneycare, things might have been different.  take a look at all the other actions Obama took that the twit is undoing.  he seems to take bizarre pleasure in wiping out all traces of what the 44th accomplished.

  15. Craig,

    The conservative obsession is a manifestation of the moral rot that was referenced in an article linked by Jamie on a previous thread. The modern GOP/conservative movement exists for no other reason than to gain power. The reasons that they do something, if any exist are really not that important. As a political body they have become uncaring, unfeeling, and unable to control their worst impulses. In point of fact they take pride in those impulses.

    sadly we have enabled them to a degree because nothing they do seems to offend or outrage us to the point of not accepting it. No matter how low they go we shrug our shoulders and say, not to worry they can go lower. They invariably prove us right.

    Looking for reasons is to overthink the problem.

  16. nbc: Vatican-Vetted Magazine Accuses Steve Bannon of ‘Apocalyptic Geopolitics’

    In a story entitled “Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism: A Surprising Ecumenism,” Spadaro criticized the way some American evangelicals and their Roman Catholic supporters mix religion and politics, saying they demonized opponents and promoted a “theocratic type of state.”

    He added that their vision was “not too far apart” from Islamic fundamentalism.

    The article — which was co-written by a Presbyterian pastor, the Rev. Marcelo Figueroa, who is editor of the Argentine edition of the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano — was published just days after evangelical leaders met Trump in the Oval Office and laid their hands on him in prayer.

    [….]

    Articles in La Civilità Cattolica are read by the Vatican Secretariat of State before they are published. Under Francis, who is a Jesuit, the publication has become something of an “authoritative” outlet for the Vatican, although it is not an official mouthpiece of the papacy, Spadaro told NBC News.

  17. and speaking of the devil, Steve Bannon misreports $2 million debt in financial disclosure

    White House Chief Strategist Stephen K. Bannon failed to properly disclose more than $2 million in mortgage debt on his required financial disclosure form — an error that was compounded when top White House ethics officers certified that Bannon’s incomplete disclosure form was complete and complied with federal rules.

  18. patD – Let’s hope that in January, 2020, we can say, that WAS some weird sh/+ …but Dems need to get their sh/+ together.

    They should be pushing for meaningful healthcare reform & benefit protection.   They still don’t get it.

    I guess they are waiting for the Gooperz to tick off everyone so much, that they’ll lose votes…because they sure aren’t doing much to let folks know they are fighting for them…because they are representing corporate America just like Repugz.  Real Americans, be damned.

    It doesn’t look like Gov. Abbott is going to have any opposition, and, he’s already got a lot of money to outspend anyone who dares try.

  19. Craig – They do hate poor people.  If Repugz  could kill off everyone except their upper-crust buddies & rely on a robot workforce that never got sick or old, that would be a perfect scenario for them.

    Soulless SOBs.

  20. They do hate poor people.  The problem is, just like it has been for every civilization before us, they have to figure out what the hell they’re gonna do with em, cause they ain’t going no where.

  21. All that hoo-raw about the childerns of Israel escaping from Egypt that was old Moses or whomevers talking shit…..El Pharaoh had to run em out……you could do that back then……

  22. maybe y’all are right but I don’t see the political gain for them throwing people out of nursing homes, a major consequence of these Medicaid cuts. And a major reason they can’t get the votes. Why do Republicans like Susan Collins get that and others don’t? It’s not just a moral issue, it’s obviously a political loser.

  23. It’s not a political loser when Dems don’t step up in any meaningful way.

    Where is the outrage from the Dems?

     

  24. This talk that better PR for Don Jr would’ve been to tell all at first: Not good advice if you committed a crime.

  25. W looks good in comparison to Trump, but it is still almost impossible for me to listen to him without throwing up a little in my mouth. God what a disaster he was and we are still paying the price.  Jace

    Boy Howdy ain’t that the truth

  26. When thinking about why republicans are ready to kill off Americans I come up with:

    The fairy tale about “freedom” to choose whether to care about oneself with insurance
    The poor do not deserve any help
    It is my money, not theirs
    It is koch bros money not theirs
    I pay too much in taxes
    my friends pay too much in taxes
    the poor should be cared for my the churches
    the poor are criminals anyway
    they are of all colors except pasty white (at least in their feeble minds)

    And there is one more issue which is hard to find anything solid to play with.  A number (tossing numbers in the air) say forty to eighty, members of the Congress who are going to go down with SFB due to being compromised by the Soviet/Russian (some were touched in the old KGB days) intelligence agencies.  They are going to do as much damage to these United States as possible before they are taken down.

  27. Then we are back to ER/urgent care –very costly.  Nobody wins.  Why can’t they see beyond their own noses?  Covered in corporate money/pooh, I guess.

    I am fighting with insurance, again.   Something they are supposed to cover but it’s not looking like that will happen.  So far, the only thing they’ve covered are a couple of visits to the doc (copay has doubled), but nothing else.  Nothing.  The premiums are much higher each year, but they cover less.  The asswipes at the insurance companies are making out like bandits.  I hope they all get terminal illnesses and suffer.

  28. “…but Dems need to get their sh/+ together.

    They should be pushing for meaningful healthcare reform & benefit protection.   They still don’t get it.”

    bid, don’t know about the dems in texas, but most of dems I’ve seen lately on tv news are raging about goper cuts to medicaid and healthcare for women and children.  not as much media coverage for them as is coverage for the goper circular firing squad and the trysts at trash tower.   media wouldn’t cover Hillary’s universal health initiative plans either during the campaign… too boring when they had all those outrageous twit taunts to talk about.

  29. Keyboard died working with my kindle.  Difficult to type.  Back to normal sometime Monday

     

  30. Bush speaking at a “leadership” conference?  Dude’s an empty suit- the world still hasn’t recovered from the damage his administration precipitated.

    Edit- apologies to Jace, he expressed the same sentiment, above, but i skipped over it. Embarrassing.

  31. Son found me a loaner keyboard … I can now stop twitching & drooling.

    BiD

    You need another state.  All Texans, except the wealthy ones & male office holders, have my deepest sympathy

  32. With apologies to my favorite magazine of all time (aaaall time) that cover is ALL wrong….it’s cheapening what this is all about to an “ear tweaking” level of thought.

    it’s wrong and shameful.

    they should “run a retraction”

  33. They should have run a split cover…..bottom part of Junior in the meeting with Moe, Larry, and Curley and whomever else….top part a floor above of DT sitting at his desk listening to a speaker phone……

  34. sturg, you’re right about that ny cover.  very disappointed. the twit probably has framed and hung it by now in the oval office.  I like your idea of a cover much better.

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