Ketchup on Steak? What Say Ye?

By Whskyjack, a Trail Mix Contributor

A few weeks ago Donald Trump was observed eating a prime dry aged steak, burnt (well done) with ketchup

It may explain the problem for Democrats in Trump country that they don’t seem to want to use this against Trump.

Apparently they don’t see anything wrong with mistreating a perfect piece of meat by over cooking it and smothering it in ketchup. At least I’ve not heard any outcry.

Public Policy Polling did do a survey and found that Americans across the political divide expressed their distain for this behavior. It may be the only thing they agree on.

As usual very liberal types were the more clueless as they gave the greatest support to ketchup on steak (but not completely clueless as a majority still disapproved)

From James Michener’s  novel “Centennial”

Now the ritual began. At twelve-fifteen on the dot we took our places at three oilcloth-covered tables, and tumblers of ditch—bar bourbon and Platte water—were circulated. Wendell raised his glass and cried, “Gentlemen, to the open range!” All drank, and Hermann Spengler proposed, “To the Hereford.”

Waiters now came in with large baskets of French fried potatoes, which they emptied onto the middle of each table, forming golden pyramids, over which they sprinkled handfuls of salt. The doors swung open and the waiters reappeared with huge trays. Before each of us they placed a sizzling platter containing nothing but a monstrous sirloin cut from some super-steer at the Brumbaugh feed lots.

Steak and potatoes, the food of real men. Hands reached into the golden stacks to grab potatoes, and knives cut into tender steak. For the first few minutes there was not much talk, then Wendell recalled the time the club had entertained a senator from Rhode Island. The members had been most attentive to him, for on a matter of vital concern he held the crucial vote, and things looked promising until the sirloins were served.

In a quiet voice he had asked, “Could I have some catsup?”

There was a ghastly silence. To these men, putting catsup on a sirloin was like dumping cigarette ashes in holy water. No one knew what to say, but everyone was adamant that no bottle of catsup would disgrace that table, even if the supplicant was a senator commanding a vital vote.

The impasse had been broken by Wendell’s father, a steely-eyed man: “Senator, as you know, your vote is crucial to us, and there is nothing in the world we would not do for you. I think we’ve given you ample proof of that. But I would rather see horse piss sprinkled over my steak than see this table profaned by a bottle of catsup. No, Senator, you may not have catsup.”

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76 thoughts on “Ketchup on Steak? What Say Ye?”

  1. jack, it does depend on the quality of the steak, the talent of the chef, sobriety of the guests and the status of the taste buds.  sometimes catsup is the only way one can get thru the meal.

    so where do you stand on ruining a good omelet with said sugary red stuff?

  2. travis, this isn’t his best but I really like the lyrics.   [btw, when posting vids select “cut” after clicking “share” and copy that url to our comment box.  also fearless leader has how-to info on rt column]

  3. raw story: Senators Feinstein and Grassley grim and silent after Trump-Russia briefings with Comey

    After closed door meetings with FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday, top members of the Senate Judiciary Committee looked grim and rattled and refused to divulge the contents of the meeting to reporters.

    At around 5 p.m. E.T. on Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) faced reporters but revealed little about their meetings with Comey.

    “This briefing was all on sensitive matters,” Feinstein said, “and highly classified and it’s really not anything we can answer any questions about.”

  4. and on the leaked tax return last night according to mediaite “Maddow: Trump’s 2005 Tax Return Had to be ‘Sterling’ So Melania Could Get Her Citizenship”

    Maddow acknowledged that the 1040 appeared to show the president in a “positive light” before stating that it was an “atypical year for his tax preparation strategy.”

    “2005 is the year Mr. Trump married his lovely wife Melania,” Maddow said. “This was their first jointly filed tax return as a married couple.”
    She then noted that at that time, Mrs. Trump was not a U.S. citizen but a green card holder. Maddow went on to point out that Melania Trump needed to bring that year’s tax return to get her citizenship interview she had in 2006.
    “And that tax return would be used as a very important piece of evidence as to whether or not she should get citizenship,” Maddow noted. “So you better believe the 2005 tax return is going to be sterling, right? That it’s going to display excellent citizenship and no red flags whatsoever.”

  5. catsup v ketchup what’s the diff?

    Origin of Word

    Both words are derived from the Chinese ke-tsiap, a pickled fish sauce. It made its way to Malaysia where it became kechap and ketjap in Indonesia. Catsup and katchup are acceptable spellings used interchangeably with ketchup, however, ketchup is the way it is popularly used today. “Catsup”, which dates to the same time, may well be a different Romanization of the same word, trying to come closer to a sound that doesn’t really exist in English.

    In the 1800s, “ketchup” was most common in Britain and “catsup” was most common in the US for reasons unknown. The two words never really canceled each other out because in their formative years, there weren’t spelling dictionaries choosing a “correct” version of words. (Many Americans pronounced “catsup” the same as “ketchup” in any case.) Today, “ketchup” is the dominant term in both countries.

    There was a sudden interest in the difference between catsup and ketchup after an episode of popular TV series Mad Men featured a (fictional) pitch to ketchup company Heinz.

     

  6. The war on women has now become the war on science, art, diplomacy, environment, LGBTQ, and voting. Then just to top it off the records of animal abuse have been eliminated. My outrage meter is full to overflowing.

  7. As to dining on broiled cow, one of my favorite life experiences was having an Alberta cattle man instructing me on the exact perfect proportional cut of fat to meat in each bite.  The only proper response to an offer of ketchup was “Is there something wrong with the steak?”

     

  8. Trump on the road tosses “Ryancare” under Air Force One. You’re Screwed Mr. Speaker.

    I’m not so sure about this, Craig.  Methinks Frump needs Ryan more than Ryan needs Frump.  Ryan could become a powerful enemy.  Frump needs him and Congress to get any of his proposals passed.

    OTOH…  watching the Republicans tear each other apart is most delicious.

  9. Ya know I’ve never known ketchup to spoil, It doesn’t seem to rot, I’ve never seen mold on it. You can open a bottle of it in the spring let it set out all summer and the next spring it is still just as good as when you opened it. It seems to be indestructible. It is probably the same in your gut.

    Humm, so could Trump’s love of  ketchup be the explanation of  his late night tweets??????

    Jack

  10. It is becoming more and more obvious that Mr. Trump has virtually nothing to do with the actual business of being President.  As with his business activities, he is the front man and visual image for the masses while the actual “governing” such as it exists is being orchestrated by others.  Unfortunately, the blind are leading the blind based purely on dogma.  It is terrifying to contemplate some actual crisis hitting rather than the usual political squabbles on the right to farther right spectrum.

     

     

  11. I must say that I would not deny anyone ketchup to put on their steak – I’d rather not pass up the chance to ridicule them.

  12. Meanwhile, as he puts Ketchup on his toasted steak, Pence and Ryan are cutting the legs off of the poor and the environment with the new budget proposal.  10% increase in the military and a 28% cut in the state department.  Moral over there must be at an all time high.

  13. Ya know, I don’t think I’ve ever ate ketchup on steak. Back in my ketchup eating days my parents didn’t believe in wasting good steak on a child. In my misspent youth I used A1 or Heinz 57 ( which is mostly a mix of ketchup and mustard). Now if the steak is of a lessor quality maybe a bit of   worcestershire sauce on the side to one in a while dip a bite. But a prime steak should have enough fat to give it all the flavor it needs.

    Jack

  14. About the only time  I use  ketchup is my once a year comfort food treat, Potatoes and onions fried  in bacon grease, with ketchup on them, It goes back to my childhood.

    I don’t even put a ketchup glaze on my meatloaf any more.

    Jack

  15. dvitale300 , that would be Bannon and Miller.

    Pense and Ryan are too busy creating death panels for the poor

     

    Jack

  16. I dislike the practice of eating meat for recreation. But I will have hotdogs for dinner to ensure that none of the poor stee’s remains go to waste. I don’t use ketchup on my dogs; strictly a little Heinz mustard along with lots of sweet relish.

  17. Pat if the steak is that bad, I would share it with the dog. He is not as picky.

    But if you have to have ketchup, first  tenderize the steak by beating the heck out of it  dredge in flour with lots of pepper and chicken fry it. Then ketchup may be acceptable.

    Jack

  18. Last night, Microsoft pushed an update that killed the laptop that I used as my primary computer. It resided on my breakfast table overlooking Kumcho’s nature habitat. I must have had a premonition because I ordered a replacement 17″ hp laptop from Newegg on Tuesday–it should be here today.

  19. Flatus….  have fun with the new computer…

    The only steak I buy/and or order at a restaurant is ribeye….   cooked medium rare.  If a waitress/waiter put a bottle of ketchup on the table for me, I’d be tempted to throw it back at her/him.

    I do put malt vinegar on my fries.  But that stuff that Quebecers eat on their fries….   cheese and gravy….    makes me want to puke.

  20. Jack: Fun topic! I never put ketchup on steak but I hate to think that I agree with the alt-right about anything. Of course, I have a child that dunks french fries in chocolate milkshakes and, when I still ate potatoes, I dunked them in tartar sauce so what do we know LOL! But, steaks are a pure food and savored as such! Alas, for me steak has become a special and rare treat, so even more important to not befoul it 🙂

  21. Renee: Yes, that poutin stuff looks like the grossest thing in the world. Where did that ever come from. My Canuck family past & present would never eat such  a thing! Give me a savory Tourtiere any day…One of my grandchildren tried to put ketchup on a slice of Tourtiere once and was quickly reprimanded 😉

  22. If Wendell’s pa wants horse piss on his steak, fine. I’ll have the ketchup on my fries – at a distant table.

  23. We learn from Publius Ovidius Naso that horse piss whitens the teeth. Useful information if you’re on a cattle drive and run out of toothpaste.

  24. I s’pose Wendell’s pa, having a classical education, would know that Ovid stuff. So, we can infer that he won’t approve of the men brushing their teeth at the dinner table.

  25. trump has mayo running through his veins….especially eating trump steaks throughout a lifetime.  I feel for the dead cow and hope the once living animal did not have mad cow’s disease.  Meat will never be the same after cuts to the FDA and EPA.  We don’t need no stinking regulations!

  26. Steak can have a side of horse radish, just to perk up things.  Fries have a dab of mayo on one side and a spluk of catsup on the other, I like to tease the palate.  Corn should be roasted, without shucking, on the grill near the steaks.

    Life will be good once the ice melts.

  27. Patd – Thanks for the tip. I love Roy’s version of that tune. It takes on more meaning the older I get.

    As to ketchup on steak, I’d have to say no. My early years were spent using ketchup to cover up the taste of food I didn’t like. When I gained control over my food choices, I no longer needed ketchup. I don’t keep it in the house. Rather I prefer a nice mild BBQ sauce, but I wouldn’t pour it on a steak.

     

  28. When I was an iganant kid, the mustard had to be French’s and the ketchup had to be Heinz. Now I’m old and wiser, and I enjoy all sorts of mustards. The ketchup still has to be Heinz.

  29. More Meat McBacklash!  McDonald’s hacked twitter account.

    the tweet to the twit —

    “You are actually a disgusting excuse of a President and we would love to have @BarackObama back,” said the tweet that was briefly pinned to the top of the McDonald’s page. It concluded, “also you have tiny hands.”

  30. BlueBronc…   that message you left last night about those in the know and not being able to say they are in the know…  that some will stop Frump if he crosses a line with the Russkies….   that lightened my soul this morning.

  31. Meals on Wheels?  This heartless bastard wants to cut funding for Meals on Wheels!

    Really – lunch and dinner for homebound, poor elderly folks?

     

  32. Starve the useless, shoot the resisters, fill boxcars with the rest, and send them to ‘work’ camps.

  33. This is where the AARP needs to run a commercial or two showing homebound elderly getting served by meals on wheels – with the caption “Shame on you Mr. President”

    And we March, and post, and twitter, and watch SNL and wear Pussy hats – but you know what; we don’t vote.

    Tuesday’s Mayoral race just proved that with an 18% voter turnout.  Shame on us.

  34. “This is where the AARP needs to run a commercial or two showing homebound elderly getting served by meals on wheels – with the caption “Shame on you Mr. President”

    Or they could show someone slowly starving to death waiting for the meals on wheels not coming and cut to Trump eating at Maraleggo

  35. The “mistreatment” of the steak starts with killing the poor cattle in the first place.  Ketchup is just optics.

  36. Tax cuts for the rich & a huge military build-up by cutting arts, services, health & environment-saving regulations.

    I hope the entire lot of ’em choke on whatever they eat, covered in ketchup or not.

  37. Ketchup is a recurring theme among goopers  wonder what that’s about.

    Heinz Ketchup is the only ketchup for french fries

     

  38. WH Press conference about to start.  Senate intelligence chiefs just released bi-partison statement a little while ago that Trump is a liar.  Should be interesting.

  39. dv, from reuters:

    “Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016,” read a statement by Republican Chairman Richard Burr and Senator Mark Warner, the committee’s Democratic vice chairman.

    unless it says something in addition to that, that still doesn’t mean folks happening to be in trash tower talking to folks happening to be Russians weren’t overheard by folks happening to be fbi/cia …. in addition to fsb (aka fu**ing sons of b*tches) who turned around and jerked the jerk’s chain/puppet strings


  40. Published on Mar 15, 2017

    Is it time to cut the cable news subscription to the White House residence?

  41. SpLIARcer won’t be phased.  He’ll dance around the topic – say that Tapp Wires Phones Surveillance, whatever he’s expanded tapp phones in Trump Tower to encompass now means somebody somewhere is looking at someone trump may know.

  42. no matter what you tho’t of Rachel’s “exposé” the other night, it’s fascinating to hear her tell fallon the backstory 


    Published on Mar 15, 2017

    Rachel Maddow talks to Jimmy about her Trump tax return leak and people’s reaction.

  43. Because you care, there’s a new legal blog named Take Care that plans to track and analyze trumpco with commentary and in depth analysis pieces.  It’s got a liberal bent (Larry Tribe has one of the first articles) and if it keeps on the path it is starting down, looks like a great resource.

    Prolly worth adding a link to the blogroll, Poobah.

  44. It was down to 22-deg overnight into several hours this morning. Record breaking. I just looked out the front window and, by their demeanor, a breeding pair of bluebirds are frolicking about the dwarf trees in our front yard.

    The new computer arrived at noon; unable to open it to add more memory despite taking hammer and chisel to the case.

    Have our tickets for the first two rounds of the women’s NCAA tournament starting tomorrow night here in Columbia. The later rounds for our regional will be in Stockton Calif. Might as well be in Beijing. Any support for our South Carolina Gamecocks will be appreciated. One of our premiere performers is out for the season because of a severely damaged ankle. We will miss her–Alaina Coates.

     

  45. “I hope the entire lot of ’em choke on whatever they eat, covered in ketchup or not.”

    -BiD

    They’re in power because of sanctimonious twits, like you.

  46. “This briefing was all on sensitive matters,” Feinstein said, “and highly classified and it’s really not anything we can answer any questions about.” -RawStory link from patd, above

     

    Why can’t they answer questions about it?  Because the Russians will find out?

  47. Why can’t they answer questions about it?  Because the Russians will find out?

    Because the phrasing of their answers may disclose sensitive sources and methods that the Russians have not yet compromised should they exist.

  48. The thing that pees me off the most is that none of the media talking heads, when interviewing the thugs (Ryan), after he goes on a rant about how horrible Obamacare is; bother to point out that the republicans did absolutely nothing to tweak / improve / fix a new healthcare system.  Instead they voted 50 times to cancel it praying at every moment it would fail.

  49. “media talking heads”

     

    Do yourself a favor and stop watching that garbage.  Patd will link all the news you need to know, right here.

  50. Ok enough ketchup/catsup.

    A little music for a st paddy’s day eve, to get you in the mood for tomorrow,

     

  51. The Elders are a local Irish rock band.

    BTW Sturge, you have a bit in common with them. Their lead singers day job is making cabinets and furniture too.

  52. Renee, yeah!!! The dropkick Murphys. I was trying to remember them.

    I took a psychology class  that said memory worked best  when you were in the same state as you learned it. Obviously I’m too sober.

    Jack

  53. …i wonder how many FoxNews anchors go to work strapped?  One loud noise and that studio might turn into a scene from a Tatantino movie.

  54. tis time to fill the cups and sing with the angels

    oops…. wrong angels

    Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
    From glen to glen and down the mountain side
    The summer’s gone and all the flowers falling
    ‘T’s you, ‘t’s you, must go and I must bide
    But come ye back when summer’s in meadow
    Or when the valleys hushed and white with snow
    ‘Tis I’ll be there in sunshine or in the shadow
    Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so
    And when you come and all the flowers are dying
    If I am dead, as dead I will may be
    You’ll come and find the place where I am lying
    And ‘neel and say an ‘Ave’ for me
    And I shall hear those soft you tread above me
    And all my grave will warm and sweeter be
    If you will built and tell me that you love me
    Then I shall sleep in peace until you come to me

  55. People wanted to boycott Hawaii on Twitter this morning.

    I said: Boycott Hawaii…said no one ever.

    A deplorable guy from Texas informed me that I was out of the loop.

  56. I’ve boycotted Hawaii for 65 years because, well, it’s a long way away and costs a lot of time and money to get there.

  57. Why visit American Hawai’i, when you can commune with ‘st’ vladimir and his many wives, peter the great, who murdered his legitimate son, and catherine the great, who murdered her hubby ? Take a Family Values Vacation to russha and shed YOUR confining values TODAY !

     

  58. hirohito boycotted Hawai’i, too. Look what that got him – he’s still dead as a junebug on your windshield, ‘though half as admirable. And, he was a GENUINE emperor !

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