Out Like Flynn

What to do when your National Security Adviser appears to be a security risk?

Apologizing to the vice president obviously wasn’t enough for Michael Flynn to escape the squadrons inside the administration gunning for him. He ducked out late last night just in time for Valentine’s Day.

Leakers at Justice say they warned he was too cozy with the Russians, and vulnerable to black mail.

Interestingly it took the publicity, not the private warnings, to force him out.



82 thoughts on “Out Like Flynn”

  1. From previous thread:

    Mr. Doodlesong:

    Pogo, what do you bet KellyAnne says Flynn was hounded out by a lying, ungrateful press?

    And it was the presswho kept after Flynn (helped by a bakers dozen of leakers). It certainly wasn’t @Jasoninthehouse.


    Mr. D, I’d say there’s a better than even chance of that.  All I have to say is that Obama and Sally Yates were right. Drumpf on the other hand was wrong. No surprise there.

    Mango values loyalty over competence. This is symptomatic of what we’ll see. Drumpf was warned a month ago by Yates – who he fired for disloyalty- a couple of days before the 9th halted the travel ban. Good god. If judgment was dynamite drumpf couldn’t blow his nose.

  2. Below is the full text of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s resignation letter, as provided by the White House:

    In the course of my duties as the incoming National Security Advisor, I held numerous phone calls with foreign counterparts, ministers, and ambassadors. These calls were to facilitate a smooth transition and begin to build the necessary relationships between the President, his advisors and foreign leaders. Such calls are standard practice in any transition of this magnitude.

    Unfortunately, because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the President and the Vice President, and they have accepted my apology.

    Throughout my over thirty three years of honorable military service, and my tenure as the National Security Advisor, I have always performed my duties with the utmost of integrity and honesty to those I have served, to include the President of the United States.

    I am tendering my resignation, honored to have served our nation and the American people in such a distinguished way.

    I am also extremely honored to have served President Trump, who in just three weeks, has reoriented American foreign policy in fundamental ways to restore America’s leadership position in the world.

    As I step away once again from serving my nation in this current capacity, I wish to thank President Trump for his personal loyalty, the friendship of those who I worked with throughout the hard fought campaign, the challenging period of transition, and during the early days of his presidency.

    I know with the strong leadership of President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence and the superb team they are assembling, this team will go down in history as one of the greatest presidencies in U.S. history, and I firmly believe the American people will be well served as they all work together to help Make America Great Again.

    Michael T. Flynn, LTG (Ret)

    Assistant to the President / National Security Advisor

  3. Well, if there’s one thing that apparently runs from top to bottom in the drumpf aministration it’s the ability to pat one’s self on the back after having fucked up.

  4. Right now I would like to go back to the Hillary / Trump debate where she called him Putin’s Puppet and he lost his cool with “not a puppet”.  The follow up question would be Madam Secretary former FLOTUS married to an Ex-President, “What do you know and can you tell us about it”.  Care to take bets on how much “top secret” she wasn’t being CARELESS about?  She has been so quiet since the election that you know a great deal of background has been going on just waiting for the crash and burn.


  5. dad gummit!  and I wuz half-way thru writin’ a thread to be entitled “stand by your man” in which were to be reviewed many a fallen hero of various administrations.  sherman adams (of vicuña coat fame), bobby baker (bribery and arranging sexual favors in exchange for Congressional votes and government contracts), ollie north (what drugs?), and the infamous nixon seven starring mitchell haldeman and erlichman just to name a few.  this time imo it’s the prez for whom the fallen stood up.  my hunch is that Flynn fell on the sword so he would not have to name he who ordered the alleged crime, you-know-who, the sitter at the desk at where the buck stops.

  6. Flatus, sorry the lady gamecocks lost to Connecticut last night. I’m sure they didn’t want to be the team that Connecticut beat for their hundredth consecutive victory.

  7. Poor Patd

    You take the time to write something in depth and factual only to have it blow away by fast moving events.  I’ve given up since it seems to be happening to just about everything I start to write these days.  The nefarious are nefariousing so fast, it’s impossible to keep up with the shenanigans.  I may just start collecting pictures of the looks the current White House resident is getting from visiting dignitaries.  The one I want right now is Drumpf stumbling through his version of … North Korea will be dealt with bigly … as Mr. cool Trudeau gives him a deadpan “can you believe this clown” side eye.  It was even better than Prime Minister Abe’s OMG look after the handshake.


  8. I see Jerry Sandusky’s (adopted) kid was continuing the family business when the old man went up the river.

  9. The Commander-in-Chief, along with his advisors, after being informed of his foreign agency, knowingly allowed Flynn access to State secrets and intelligence.  All of that intlligence is, therefore, compromised, and the Commander-in-Chief should be tried for treason.

  10. Kellogg and Petraeus are the two top candidates for NS advisor. Good lord, Petraeus?  Again?  No security issues there. Jesus Christ, how stoopid can drumpf be?  Apparently there are no bounds.

  11. Bink makes excellent points about the President & treason. Do we have people in government brave enough to do something about this? How far does the rot go – besides the obvious suspects, who actively helped or stood by knowing & not saying anything? I don’t mean just the current President’s gang. I am interested in the people who were already in government, high & low profile, who enabled this.

  12. In A Picture Says A Thousand Words Like Forever reminder:

    That infamous photo of Flynn & Putin at the RT dinner also has another figure – Jill Stein – smiling & appearing to be enjoying herself at the same table. This was the trip where she scolded America while standing in Red Square.

    She is a footnote in too many unfortunate circumstances.
    Hmm ….. just saying.

  13. The Commander-in-Chief, along with his advisors, after being informed of his foreign agency, knowingly allowed Flynn access to State secrets and intelligence.

    bink, “after being informed”?  hell, having ordered it (or just giving a nod for deniability sake), he knew personally before the criminal commission. it was then officially known by him and others afterward when formally advised by doj.  a soldier surviving 33 yrs of soldiership up to becoming general knows better to follow his superiors orders, not concoct them.

    that “inadvertently” and “incomplete information”  in the letter reeks of kellyanne-ese.

  14. Well, Matt Lauer just said KelLIARanne Conway for lunch. I wonder what He’s going to have for dessert? If you didn’t see his interview go find it on YouTube just Google Lauer Conway and it’ll pop up at the top of the page.

  15. poor little FoulPlay…what  will his next job be…conspiracy editor at Breitbart or lobbyist for Exxon in Russian

  16. Fixed your typo

    Leakers at Justice say they warned he was too cozy crazy with the Russians, and vulnerable to black mail.

  17. Holy light a fire under comey’s ass!  Yates with blood in her eyes, had to ask not once, but twice for permission to board the goodship lollipop , formerly know as the locker room formerly know as the oval office, to deliver the news that flynn’s description of his calls did not match the conversations recorded by intelligence.  comey, the crackerjack cop who took down Clinton, must really be building a big investigation against trump and the ruskie WH takeover.    Now who is careless?

    Hatch Act, Logan Act violations?

  18. Best description heard on the news today to make cold chills run up the spine:  Bannon and Priebus are “co-parenting”.

  19. in case you didn’t have time to watch all 23 min of john oliver in above vid , here’s what he wound up promising in the end starting at 21 min in.

    variety at msn: John Oliver Will Run Ads on Cable News to Educate President Trump

    Speaking during the launch of the fourth season of his HBO program, “Last Week Tonight,” Oliver said he intended to run commercials on Washington D.C. area cable systems between 8:30 a.m. and 9 a.m. during Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends,” CNN’s “New Day” and MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that would educate Trump on facts of which Oliver believes he is not aware. The commercials, designed to look like a direct-response medical commercial touting help for people who use catheters, will instead offer remedial help on subjects like the nuclear triad and African geography.

  20. Hey Nudie and Trudy Skeletor say it is all good — if there is a problem with the rules  changes the rules

  21. Pogo, the first half ended with several empty possessions as uconn switched to a man-man. btw, we don’t have no ‘lady’ gamecocks–they’re all full-fledged warriors! I understand the team was tired from all the shivering they endured in the up-north weather 🙂

  22. How much is this putin trumpette costing us a day?  His elaborate country club lifestyle complete with selfies of the football dude, not Brady, but the one (ssh) with the nuclear code suitcase, the one who is tethered to the trumpence entourage…and it is an entourage, not a cabinet, not advisers…all of this is a huge expense and security drain.   The damage by trump and the increase to the national debt will not be undone for years even if he hopefully leaves early.

    BTW, tillerson has survived his ruskie entanglements, but how effective of a tool is he now?

  23. Neither Flynn nor Petraeus nor Bannon would pass a fresh SBI if they were anywhere except in Trump’s armpit. And Trump, on his own clearable merits, might be granted access to ‘for official use only’.

  24. bw, and mika followed up that news with this observation according to raw story:

    Brzezinski said the wide-ranging episode raises the central question swirling around the Trump administration.

    “What is the relationship with Russia?” she said. “There is something — it’s not nothing anymore. It’s not (a) mistake, it’s not being newbies — you know, this isn’t Nordstrom, and just ethically inappropriate. This is troubling on a deep, global level.”

  25. I once again say Good on Yates…she has more guts than most, probably brains, too.   She is more of hero than assange, another puppet.   I become irked when the ruskie ties were so obvious and the top cops seemed complacent.  If they cannot protect us from this russian intrusion, it should be investigated.  We need to demand answers as to why we and our systems were attacked.

  26. Thanks, patd for the link…my tv does not include joe&mika, thank the sun!

    (as a sun worshiper, I am still blinded by the gold of the grammys…ceelo’s gold make-up and outfit and beyonce’ headdress/costume were like a coronal mass ejection.)

  27. Happy Valentine’s Day to all.  At least there is one less stinky plant in the swamp.

    There seems to be the rustling around D.C. which portends the possibility that Pence might become #46 sometime this year.  The floater might be flushed out of town before Halloween if some get their way.  From the constant flood of internals from the WH you would think there is a line formed by reporters at one gate where they take a number and wait for their leak of the day to be handed to them by a more than willing WH occupant.

  28. jeeeeeeesuuuuus….    the WH goings on should win an Emmy for best soap opera.

    Happy Valentine’s Day…   gonna eat some yummy chocolates today.

  29. from bbc:
    What happens next?
    Senior Democrat Adam Schiff said Mr Flynn’s departure would not end questions about contacts between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia.

    Congressional democrats John Conyers and Elijah Cummings have demanded a classified briefing to Congress on Michael Flynn by the justice department and FBI.

    “We in Congress need to know who authorised his actions, permitted them, and continued to let him have access to our most sensitive national security information despite knowing these risks,” their statement said.

    Several House Democrats had already called on Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz to launch an investigation into Mr Flynn’s ties to Russia.


    “Mike Flynn might be done – but Trump’s nightmare has just begun,” writes Richard Wolffe in the Guardian US, asking why Donald Trump had not simply fired Mr Flynn. This, he points out, was what the president had done to the woman who had warned him about his national security adviser (Ms Yates).

  30. if you can stomach more from her, here’s this a.m. vid from  msn:

    Joining TODAY live, Kellyanne Conway, counselor to President Trump, tells Matt Lauer that Michael Flynn resigned as Trump’s national security adviser because “he knew he’d become a lightning rod.” She says that Flynn’s misleading Vice President Mike Pence about his conversation with the Russian ambassador before Trump took office “made the situation unsustainable,” but is noncommittal on the question of whether Flynn was a prudent choice in the first place.

  31. It is good to be back on the trail…I saw a dental specialist yesterday who told me in essence, not a bad tooth, but a bad dentist call.   Hubby and I are celebrating Valentine’s day by buying a chime, corinthian bells, at our local garden shop…senior discount day at the small, local business.

  32. patd, did you like that interview?  I saw it and thought Matt would need to floss after his meal of KelLIARanne.

  33. the hill:

    President Trump on Tuesday said the “real story” of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s resignation was “illegal leaks,” rather than reports Flynn misled senior White House officials about his conversations with Russia.

    “The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal with N.Korea etc?” Trump tweeted. 

  34. blueINdallas,

    Thinking of you while seeing reports of awful weather in Texas. Hope all is well.


    Haven’t heard from mortonie in a while.

    Or Pilar. Or Ping Pong.



  35. pogo, she’s dancing as fast as she can.  similar dance routine for geo steph according to   huffpo‘s
    Kellyanne Conway Crumbles Under The Weight Of Her Own Lies
    She struggled to answer basic questions about the timeline leading to the resignation of national security adviser Mike Flynn.
    On ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Conway similarly had no answers on the timeline of events and instead tried to push back on The Washington Post’s report.


    “These are what are in printed reports, but the fact is that I can’t reveal what the White House knew or didn’t know and who in the White House knew or didn’t know,” she said.

    Conway again asserted that it was “the misleading of the information” that led to Flynn’s resignation, rather than the fact that Flynn contacted Russia privately and had previous Russian ties. She went on to defend Flynn’s military service and Trump’s attention to “loyalty,” but could not answer repeated questions from host George Stephanopoulos about the timing.

    When Stephanopoulos asked again why the White House waited several weeks after Yates’ warning, Conway claimed the situation was “very fluid.”

    “Again, you’re presuming that all the information you have there is completely factual and who knew what, when, and this is very fluid,” she said. “The president is very loyal. It just became unsustainable, and last night, he accepted the resignation of General Flynn. Today, he is moving on.”

  36. “Again, you’re presuming that all the information you have there is completely factual and who knew what, when, and this is very fluid,”  And I might add, unrefuted.

    God – and what shiny object will they be holding up today to distract us from the Flynn fallout?


  37. The assaults to intelligence just keep coming.  The disgusting duo of  Neo Nazis Jim Hoft & Lucian Wintrich now regulars in the Press Room.

  38. Alexandra petri: Michael Flynn is gone and everything is fine, just fine, great

    To call this past weekend in the Trump administration a garbage fire would be a disservice to garbage fires, which at least shed light and get rid of garbage.


    But other than that, things are proceeding quite smoothly in the Trump White House Weekday Mar-a-Lago. People lurk in the hallways, seeking audiences. Aides walk around trying not to seem “low-energy” or “weak,” pounding energy drinks and performing feats of strength any time the president is seen coming down the hallway. Jared Kushner is also there, acting as a “shadow diplomat” — “shadow” in the sense that it is used in the term “shadow government,” which is to say, “not actually a real government.” So far, he: almost arranged something good to happen with Mexico but then Trump sent out a tweet and instead everyone went home upset. This bodes well for Kushner’s plan to make peace in the Middle East.

    In other words, we have managed to successfully replicate the conditions of a Tudor court at the White House in just under one month!* Bannon has even asked to be identified as Cromwell. (This, again, is an actual thing that has happened.)

    *Fred Christ Trump, has it been less than ONE MONTH?

  39. wapo: Trump knew Flynn misled officials on Russia calls for ‘weeks,’ White House says

    The press secretary repeatedly said that Trump was not concerned with the nature of the conversations that Flynn had with the Russian ambassador but that the lack of trust created an “unsustainable” situation.

    “The president has no problem with the fact that he acted in accord with what his job was supposed to be,” Spicer said.

  40. what we’ve got here is failure to communicate   🙂

    white house:

    “When the president heard the information as presented by White House counsel, he instinctively thought General Flynn did not do anything wrong and the White House counsel’s review corroborated that,” […] Spicer repeatedly said that nothing Flynn said in his calls with the ambassador was illegal, adding that “the president had no problem with the fact that he [Flynn] acted in accord to what his job was to be doing.”  [from abc news]

    critterville republicans:


    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said Tuesday that he wants to know if somebody on President Donald Trump’s transition team “directed” former national security advisor Michael Flynn to discuss sanctions in a call with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

    “I want to know, did General Flynn do this by himself or was he directed by somebody to do it?” Graham said in an interview with CNN’s Kate Bolduan.

    and latimes:

    Republican senators Tuesday called for a full and open investigation into former national security advisor Michael Flynn’s contacts with a Russian diplomat, one day after Flynn resigned and as the White House rushed to regroup after his departure.

    “We should look into it exhaustively so that at the end of this process nobody wonders whether there was a stone left unturned, and shouldn’t reach conclusions before you have the information that you need to have to make those conclusions,” Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), a member of the Senate intelligence committee and vice chairman of the Senate Republican conference, told a St. Louis radio station. 

    Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, both longtime skeptics of Trump, joined Blunt in asking that Flynn account for what happened.

    “What I’d like to know is, did Gen. Flynn make this phone call by himself, if he was directed, by who?” Graham said. 


    Sen. Jim Risch (R-Idaho), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, insisted there would be a full investigation. “Obviously there’s a lot of concerns,” he said after senators convened on the floor for morning votes. “What form that takes, what committee, what individuals are involved, that remains to be seen.”

  41. from politico:

    Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker told reporters on Tuesday that Flynn may be asked to testify as part of a larger probe into Russia’s alleged election-season hacking.

    “I think there needs to be fulsome investigation on all angles relative to nefarious activities that were taking place with Russia, beginning in March but even going back before that time,” Corker said, adding that “an element of that” may be Flynn testifying.

  42. I was on the road listening to SpLIARcer talk about the process that led to the resignation of Flynn.  Either he’s stoopid or thinks everyone else is.  drumpf’s level 1 concern was whether the content of the calls were illegal, then not finding illegality moving to level 2 – the trust issue, him having lied to Pense?

    First, assuming the truth of what’s been reported by the leaks from the White House, Flynn was undermining the authority of the sitting president and the sanctions he was imposing as a result of the election hacking carried out by Russia.  Not sure what crime that might be, but I bet there’s one out there. Second, if trumpf knew about this since late January – just before he fired Sally Yates, (a) why didn’t he call for Flynn’s firing immediately – seems like the thing to do if he confirmed that Flynn lied to Pense and (b) the firing of Yates looks like a pretextual firing with the intent of covering up the Flynn-Russia communications, and firing Yates would keep the deal with Russia on the down low and effectively remove any potential that she would be called before Congress when it saw the light of day through the inevitable leak. (I believe this is more plausible than firing her for refusing to defend the EO, but, hey, I was born skeptical and haven’t gotten any better with age). The idea that the real story is about the illegal leaks coming out of DC is laughable.  That is NOT the story – that is the norm.

  43. pogo, remember back in dec the story that Flynn had leaked classified military info during Mideast tour of duty?  could it be that he also leaked in the russky call info he was privy to during the transition? even if he weren’t a privileged participant in those classified transition briefings,  he might have been given classified info. on purpose with orders.  or  perhaps he’s a serial leaker and can’t help himself. chronic hotbed wetter?

  44. KelLIARanne is in it again.  I guess the Lauer interview wasn’t enough for one day.

    White House senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said on Tuesday that she does not know who was operating her Twitter account when it was used to retweet a white nationalist.

    “I don’t know who had access to my account,” Conway toldBuzzFeedon Tuesday.
    BuzzFeed reached out to Conway after her Twitter account responded to a user whose description included the hashtags “White Identity” and “Nationalist.”

    Whoever was operating Conway’s account responded to the tweet, writing “Love you back.” 

    She went on to denounce “whoever it is.”  Right.  White house senior advisor’s twitter account is breached?  I ain’t buyin’ what she’s sellin’.

  45. The train is on the track and the brakes don’t work.

    President Trump signed legislation Tuesday to repeal a controversial regulation that would have required energy companies to disclose their payments to foreign governments.

    The legislation is the first time in 16 years that the Congressional Review Act (CRA) has been used to repeal a regulation, and only the second time in the two decades that act has been law. It is thethird piece of legislationTrump has signed since taking office three weeks ago.

    It is the start of one front in an aggressive deregulatory effort that the Trump administration and the GOP Congress are undertaking to roll back Obama-era rules on fossil fuel companies, financial institutions and other businesses that they say have suffered for the last eight years.

    The resolution repeals a Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) rule written under the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law. 

    It was meant to fight corruption in resource-rich countries by mandating that companies on United States stock exchanges disclose the royalties and other payments that oil, natural gas, coal and mineral companies make to governments.


    Exxon Mobil Corp., whose former CEO Rex Tillerson is now secretary of State, was one of the most vocal opponents of the rule, along with other major oil companies.

    Both chambers of Congress have also passed a CRA resolution to overturn the Interior Department’s stream protection rule for coal mining, and Trump supports the repeal.

    The House has passed numerous other regulatory repeal measures under the CRA, including ones on methane pollution and gun ownership, and the Senate is likely to take up at least some of them.

    Please keep your arms and legs inside the car.

  46. Fulsome ? Ya mean that senator corker wants a flattering, adulatory, cloying, saccharine investigation ???


    I wanna know what the deadbeat knew and when he knew it. It doesn’t matter if anyone ordered the phone call(s), what matters is who knew about it, and did nothing to stop it. Misprision of a felony is a felony. See also, accessory to a felony.

    We need a special counsel (prosecutor) to investigate russiaGate, who is empowered with carteblanche to dissect trump’s russian finances and agency, going all the way back to the murder of Vince Foster. We’ve one in the corner pocket and two years to run the table.

  47. Many questions are now being asked.  One question I have is why Flynn did what he did, by not being covert?  He would know the phones were recorded.  He would know his actions would be watched.  He would know that certain people would not look the other way.  With all of that why go ahead?

    The answers I come up with are he was promised cover for his actions.  With the multi-week delay between the floater knowing that Flynn was watched and that the story was going to break and the resignation, something stinks at the top.  Thinking yourself the law and not subject to the law like mortals can be a path to problems.

  48. flynn spoke to save pence from impeachment. However, flynn is a known liar and they should both be made to answer a special prosecutor’s questions. So should Ms Yates, Director Pompeo, and Director comey.

    I’m mad as hell that Congressional Dems have played patty cake for the last 16 years.

    Now that the deadbeat has been singed once, I yearn to witness the trumpers, repugs, white supremacists, Oil Barons/Grand Dukes, and goldam saxons all burnt at the stake. Apocalypse and incinerate them all; G!D will know his own – and his own ain’t them.

  49. “If you want to destroy my sweater, just pull this thread as I walk away.” -weezer

    Trump knew it for 17 days.   Are his days at prez are numbered, too, based on that?

    Pull the thread, watch it unravel..


  50. Flynn was the tossed overboard as an attempt to get the news hounds off the trail.  Quite pathetic really, but he was expendable.  Most likely there will be more of the gang tossed over in the next few days and weeks.  Right now would be a good time to reread the books about Watergate and Nixon.  Watch All The Presidents Men.  Put together a time line of that period and then this Russian Tea Room.  It will be important to note that the break in team was several layers away from Nixon, he only giving directions.  It was a long time before Nixon did the Saturday Night Massacre.  Flynn and Trump have been operating together for a year or more.  Yates being massacred almost immediately.  Flynn officially on the job twenty-four days before his departure.  A very short timeline.

  51. Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes that went with the photo Craig posted a couple of nights ago! Who do we think is next one off the Trump merry-go-round? I’ll go with the 6th Spice Girl, Nasty Spice.

  52. Dear Lurkers, fellow Trail Hands, and Craig,

    Only a highly respected, completely independent/impartial, and dogged special prosecutor, armed with carte blanche from Congress, can disentangle the facts from the lies in this case, and indict the malfeasors for their high crimes.

    I am contacting my senators, Klobuchar and Franken, to demand that they demand a Special Prosecutor. I am also contacting my present congressperson, jason lewis, and my previous representative, Betty McCullom, with the same demands.

    The russians are violating our missile agreements, the norks are testing ballistic missiles, and so is the Ayatollah kameini. Meanwhile, the madman in the Oval Office is concentrating on Meryl Streep, Nordstroms, and his first vacation in 3 1/2 entire weeks.

    Friends, it is up to you to rescue our ship of state, because there is no one at the tiller now, and there are many icebergs ahead. I urge you all to contact your senators and representatives immediately and demand a Special Prosecutor.


    Xrepublican and Sweetie

  53. Dave,

    Yup, Spice Girl is doomed. He looks more and more like donald duck trying to get at those damned chipmunks. However, kellyanne clownway had a murderously bad day today. In her latest pic she looks like a strung out heroin addict. Maybe she’ll soon have a ‘russian heart attack’ or an actual one.

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